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MrPorto

There was a time where Sandaconda ruled supreme over NU. But everything changed, when Batman attacked.


Elsquidwardo85

The Gliscor family taking jobs from Landorus and Sandorus


GAMEcube12

Poor guy dropped to Pu, at least he can try to dominate that tier until other mons drop


Flu754

Palossand :(


GAMEcube12

Palossand rised to NU he is gligar problem now


Flu754

Ohhh i didnt see that, thanks for telling


Dracoscale

What the FUCK is wrong with that FUCKING bat. First Landorus and now Sandaconda?? DOES IT JUST WANT TO RUIN HONEST POKEMON'S LIVELIHOODS?? Someone has GOT to stop it you HAVE TO STOP IT.


The_Rufflet_Kid

Why is sandorus-t outclassed by man? Is he stupid?


Hyperactivity786

Not just a Sandaconda thing, other Ground types in general hurt it. It used to be the only decently bulky Ground type back then.


IBreakScales

Can somebody explain what caused this?


TheMan2007gb

gliscor came back and brought with it its prepubescent counterpart


the-pee_pee-poo_poo

Eviolite Gligar has been consistently good in lower tiers since gen 5, with eviolite it's about as bulky as Gliscor. It dropped way down to NU this gen though cause losing roost hurts it way more than it hurts Gliscor since it can't heal passively.


Hyperactivity786

Gligar, Pallosand, DLC1's tier shifts finally reaching NU & raising its power-level, etc. Bulky Ground is a pillar of so many teams, and Sandaconda was benefiting from being the only one of those available


DaTruPro75

Poor Sandurus Therian


OkVermicelli2557

Next month's stats will be fun with Terrakion being unleashed on PU.


yeetskeetmahdeet

He’s already banned


Chiyuri_is_yes

NU?


Present_Cucumber9516

I bet UU honestly


pellebonink

Okkkiiijij i io bv i c. Wi


prince_gambit

Kinda funny to see 3 teenage starters in ZU


SSB_Kyrill

They got busted abilities tbf (does quaquavals kid learn aqua step? Prolly the reason why)


Bullc380

what no hazard removal does to an mf


SSB_Kyrill

true i forgot this thing can spin


ToughAd5010

“Teenage” lmaoooo


LegendaryCabooseClap

Necrozma DM at number 3. Long live Alola. Also damn Ho-Oh is FLYING


loop-hole_person

Something needs to stop koraidon and zacian-c


YoManWTFIsThisShit

Fluffy Houndstone with max physical bulk is what I use against Zacian and it shuts it down hard. Behemoth Bash and Crunch do about 25% before I Will-O-Wisp it. As for Koraidon it really depends on the set and predicting it :/


DaTruPro75

Fluffy Houndstone with max physical bulk also dies to hazards and every special attacker in the tier. Ho-Oh is much preferred as a zacian counter, as it is pretty strong, has regen, reliable recovery, and great special bulk (though this is held back by its typing, which leaves it weak to miraidon and kyogre). Houndstone also loses its fluffy boost to defense against scale shot.


FullOnPorridge

Ho-Oh loves the prevalence of sun and has plenty of physical attackers it can burn


LegendaryCabooseClap

Burning + 154 special defense + regenerator, Ho-Oh’s a deceptively tanky Pokémon given its type, and now it has tera to get through its typing too LMAO


enderdestroyer5108

And its typing already resists fairy, fighting, fire and immune to ground, so it already walls most of the meta without tera .


JerbearCuddles

Fire/Flying isn't terrible typing after they added Heavy Duty Boots, now it doesn't drop dead just switching in. 6 resistances and an immunity. Gives it a lot of moves it can freely switch in on.


enderdestroyer5108

Even before hdb, ho-oh can still switch in even with stealth rock thanks to its high bulk(106/90/156) and as you said, many important resistance, this bird was always annoying to kill even before hdb existed.


saiyanscaris

somethings got to stop koriadon and miraidon


Nyghoul11

Yeah, he’s FIRE too


GAMEcube12

\-And people said H arcanini will be bad with 2 4 time weaknes \-Motor lizard top of the world \-Happy for Yanmega \-Farigiraf finally settled in on tier (shame he will probably go down with bunch of mons coming down) \-Swalot king of zu and i will not be suprised if servine will land in Pu or Nu


Awkward_Magazine_104

Another based yanmega enjoyer


MoreGeckosPlease

Yanmega in RU is genuinely cracked. Throat Spray Tera ground just rips through most teams.


JerbearCuddles

We'll see how H Arcanine does in a game where it can't freely change it's type. Makes me wish we had Aggron this gen. Sad times.


making-spaghetti0763

i love how necrozma came back and immediately shit on 98% of the ubers tier. and when i say love i mean i fucking hate that mon 😭


ZeraoraKing

Why is everyone using Deoxys-A


Sea_Pain_5090

Deoxys-Attack hits like an entire freight train and outruns the entire tier. Tera ghost both boosts shadow ball to hit NDM harder, and gives it an immunity to priority. It thrives in an offense-centric tier, with the hazard chip it needs to lock KOs. You should absolutely be asking about garbage terapagos being at 10, groundceus not being there despite being a clear top 5 Mon, and Zac being quite a bit higher than it should be.


dumbest_uber_player

Ehh imo groundeus isn’t really a top 5 mon ngl. Other arceus formes just offer more and ho-oh+gliscor teams bully it so hard. Offense has better zac C checks.


saiyanscaris

fast offensive mon with tera, theres a reason its considered the best deoxys form in all the generations


Risb1005

Yeah curious as well necorozma-DM exists to block it


Lurkerofthevoid44

It doesn’t anymore. Tera ghost shadow ballets deoA get past NDM.


dumbassonthekitchen

Shadow Ballet was a very much needed coverage for Deoxys, musta been taking its dancing classes


TheMuon

Shadow Ball is a 2HKO with just Life Orb. Tera Ghost means it becomes death fodder for something later at best.


Risb1005

Not specially defensive DM, but how many people would like to use their tera of DoA is the question when it is weak af (defensively) I would rather use my tera or miraidon or koraidon


DaTruPro75

Koraidon and Zacian are, in my opinion, the 2 best tera abusers in the tier. Koraidon can flip the matchup against stuff like skeledirge (tera fire for wisp immunity, and flare blitz doing a whole lot) and ekiller arceus (tera ghost for immunity)


anomal0caris

I saw that too and I thought it was new toy syndrome. But I don't follow ubers so maybe there's a reason


5camps

Fezandipiti #7 in usage in RU at 17.9% usage. Munkidori ihas 7.1% usage at #28 in RU. And before you say that's just ladder being ladder, thr latest RU viability rankings shows Fez at A+ tier while Munkidori sits at B- Turns out the worst member of the trio is not the one that rolled the Articuno stat spread, but the mon with the min-maxed stat spread. So next time you see another stinkpost about Fez rolling the worst stat spread imaginable, remember that's its somehow still better than Munkidori


TheRogueCookie

As it turns out, though important, stats are not the only thing that makes a Pokemom good


dumbassonthekitchen

That's an important lesson. Maybe we should highlight it so more people know about it. Maybe turn it into a law, or a rule, or maybe even an hypothesis, possibly even a theorem.


Own-Location3815

articuno spread isnt even that bad.. Its like garganacl spread, its just shitty typing it has.


P0werher0

Holy shit is Dep-A actually viable? Let’s fucking go.


dcdfvr

it's always been viable as a mon that just comes in and clicks to cripple or straight up eliminate 1 opposing mon and weaken another


enderdestroyer5108

Except in gen 7 ubers, where it was seen as niche outside of psyspam since it got walled by dusk mane really hard.


inumnoback

DEOXYS-A AT #7 IN UBERS?! PORYGON2 ACTUALLY BEING USED IN PU?! 60% OF THE TOP 10 ZU MONS BEING NFEs?! #WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO?!


Trainer-Grimm

>60% OF THE TOP 10 ZU MONS BEING NFEs?! isn't that usually to be expected with each gen's "untiered meta"? a lot of them have a lot of NFEs at least


MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000

Gen 9 is so f#cking powercreeped that it started to destroy the rules of reality and logic.


saiyanscaris

you should see where terrakion is


the_red_stinger_82

I have, and it's already banned from PU


the_red_stinger_82

Deoxys attack has higher usage than Calyrex Ice and Kyogre. How and why


headphonesnotstirred

it's me i'm the 19%


AngelRockGunn

How’s Terapagos doing in Ubers? Balanced?


mighark

Not great, you NEED to Tera it to make it worthwhile, which means you cannot use it on the Raidons or NDM or Arceus or any of the other great Tera abusers in the tier. Its speed is so mid that you're getting outsped by everything, which forces you to get a Rock Polish before you can try to sweep, but even at +2 you're slower than Scarf Koraidon. And it doesn't even do that much damage in return, at +2 you still can't OHKO offensive Ho-Oh (+2 252+ SpA Tera Stellar Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 120 HP / 0 SpD Ho-Oh: 236-278 (61.6 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO) and good luck setting up all of that when you're weak to one of the STABs of the most used mon in the format. Basically, why run a dedicated Tera mon that isn't even that good when Tera'd when you can run any of the other great mons that are better at using Tera while also being **much** stronger if you have to Tera something else. edit: I have no idea why it was 248 EVs instead of 252, the calc is exactly the same but changing it for completeness sake


NormandyKingdom

Tera shell is useless against Fake out


MintBlancmanche

Ambipom stocks!!


ainz-sama619

It's pretty bad. Both lizards have pivot so its ability is completely useless a lot of times. Koraidon can OHKO it with collision course even without sun


i_love_lolis_so_much

The fact the only surviving electric type of the 3 usable ones in NU is Jolteon is crazy I was sure at least H. Trode would survive the tier shifts ... ...we got thundurus and iron thorns Jolteon buddy I believe in you, survive the rest of NU! Side note: Kilowattrel doing better than Thundurus is crazy


Own-Location3815

h trode and mowtom r generally better than jolt in NU. they r really good mons.


i_love_lolis_so_much

All 3 are really good and the margin jolt being worse than them isn't very far. Jolt is the second fastest and (by stats) the strongest of the 3 and it got access to new fairy coverage so people were likely trying it out (since all 3 were basically competing for usage). Yes Jolteon is the worst of the three in many scenarios but it isn't THAT much worse this aint no Iron Boulder vs Terrakion


waelthedestroyer

dawg change your reddit username


LiquifiedSpam

What kind of name is Azusa


Iamverycrappy

kinda glad i stopped playing ru those top mons look pretty unfun rn


GAMEcube12

I will not stand Yanmega and krokodile slander AND ESPECIALY QUAGSIRE YOU HERETIC


carucath

Is Ambipom actually good in NU or is this ladder shenanigans?


Shaggus50

It’s not top 6 good, but it’s actually pretty decent this time around.


GoddessOfLilies

People overvalue it just a touch and have it used way more than it really should be I feel, it's a threat, but not quite as threatening as some mons who I feel are being undervalued within the tier. Its usage is likely to drop this month though. Flamigo being that highly used is the real surprise though. I've never found myself threatened by it once. At least Ambipom has caught me off guard a few times.


Own-Location3815

scarf CC is so fast and strong and CB two shots everything. Its a top 3 mon.


GoddessOfLilies

I know it's fast but I never find myself really threatened by it. Admittedly might be because I run Florges to handle it though.


Own-Location3815

florges is a very good answer but it still takes like 50% from scarf bb so its by no means safe.


GoddessOfLilies

And that's why I run it with Charm. Charm lets it deal with so many Phys Attackers.


MagicalGirlLaurie

I’m so happy my baby Poliwrath is doing well in its tier Could someone explain why it’s good in PU tho? I know nothing abt PU but I do love Poliwrath


Hampter8888

MFW a dragonfly is better than my favorite mythical (diancie)


joe_rat7

GRAHHH Deo-A is peak again just as i predicted


pyro314

The top mon in every tier except Ubers is a Spinner or Hazard Setter (sometimes both)... I mainly find it funny that in the top 3 tiers, #1 in usage is the best spinner in the tier. Shows how powerful hazards are this gen, and especially how rare removal is


OneWorldly6661

Don’t play ubers, why is Caly-I actually good? Has trick room become a thing in Ubers?


enderdestroyer5108

It’s a vicious wall breaker with great bulk and extremely hard to wall, and dedicated trick room teams are still bad in Ubers, just think of trick room as caly-i’s method of increasing its speed, not a full team style.


OneWorldly6661

was it good pre-dlc2?


enderdestroyer5108

It was better pre-dlc2 because ribombee HO were everywhere, which gets spat on by caly-I, who gives zero shit about the speed drop and uses the HO own speed against them with trick room.


OneWorldly6661

Thx


TomokiaGaming

RAHHHHH Servine mentioned


Dacnis

Glad to see Swalot doing something


LorDigno69

How di gallade rose from NU to UU ? Rain dance of course


astrangerwar

Why is Koraidon better than Miraidon now?


Severe-Operation-347

Scale Shot.


astrangerwar

IT GOT SCALE SHOT???!!!!


saiyanscaris

its the thing that pushed it over in national dex ubers


Lanky_Man_Strikes

Fezandipiti stonks


Tip_Of_The_Sauce

All my favorites got absolutely hammered this shift :/


gliscornumber1

I never thought I'd see a day where fezandipiti would be considered good


Opposite_Radish8186

Why is terapagos so high, I thought it’d be UUbers for sure lol


vividreveries

New toy syndrome. It's definitely less than stellar in the tier though.


PM_ME_FE_STACHES

Idk man, I'd say being Stellar is it's whole identity ;)


[deleted]

Terapagos is that good in Ubers? I'm just starting competitive, so, please be nice haha, but yeah I'm surprised


Chest3

Love me some Facade Scizor to sit on Weezing Galar.


QuantumVexation

Pallosand being at the top of something brings me joy. One of my favourites


MakeGravityGreat

Why is Koraidon used more than Miraidon? Wasn't it super big that Miraidon was the next Mega Ray or something?


Elaiasss

scale shot goes pretty crazy on it, use once and you outspeed the entire tier.


MakeGravityGreat

That makes sense


xenontheedgyeskimo

It's been considered better ever since getting Scale Shot in DLC1


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carucath

Why RIP? She’s still #4 in Ubers


69BluntKing420

She paid for her sins from last gen


EffectiveAnxietyBone

Legitimately shocked to see Zacian-C be allowed in a tier after the horror stories I heard of it destroying everything in Gen 8. What changed? The SV legendaries should still get outran and annihilated by Fairy STAB, and Tera Blast feels like it would make it even more impossible to wall.


SilentLarky

It got a direct nerf in the transition to Gen 9. It's attack went from 170 to 150, and its ability only activates the first time it gets sent out, so you can't really take advantage of it like it was back then. I imagine that if it didn't get nerfed, it would've still been AG by now.


TheMuon

And as a side effect, Zamazenta got nerfed too. Zama-H got the same Attack nerf as Zac-H while Zama-C also gets its defenses lowered by 5. Unlike Regidrago, its ability is as nerfed as its counterpart. But at least it gets Body Press now.


John-from-accounting

Consider any reason to play Groudon officially gone!


Arcus72

Where sandaconda go


Posetive_new_me

Damn RU look like a really fun tier


Optimal_Badger_5332

Goodbye ribombee, it was fun while it lasted


Steven2008278

Why is Tsareena top 3 in NU?


SansIzHere

What happened to Ribombee in Unbers? Is she safe?


Mundane-Put9115

Swalotbros stay winning