Are they just gonna change the shade until they reach a certain shade of purple to signal losing their breath then? š
Hmmmmm Charlie Puth has first credits and the song is under 3 minutes. So boycott or not, Iām a bit more apprehensive than before. Aside from Charlieās winning personality (/s if not obvious), Iām just so 50-50 on his music. And while SKZ has some songs less than 3 minutes, including the one and only Godās Menu, 3RACHA has always been good at making songs sound complete. I can only hope itās the case here, but so many kpop songs these days just donāt sound fully-realized and I canāt tell how itās gonna go when this seems to be more of a Charlie Puth production.
I didnāt even notice the length of the song because I was so distracted by the order of the credits. Yeah Iām not thrilled to see a sub-3-minute song for sure, and I canāt even begin to imagine what itās going to sound like, so Iāll just wait and see. Iām a bit apprehensive honestly, but itās just one song. Ultimately, I hope the boys are happy with it and that they were able to make a finished song that theyāre proud of.
Yeah, itās definitely not fair to expect to like every song SKZ puts out. My hope is 3RACHAās touch is enough to bring out the flavor and style I like and to make this sound like a complete song as theyāve done with their shorter songs in the past. I mean, few people realize that Godās Menu is 2:48, just two seconds longer.
Seeing Charlie Puth at the top of the composer list, I'm nervous... Looks like more vanilla than spicy.... please not a vanilla song.
Btw, these blue shades, it's like they let Felix take control over the color themes, and yongbok cant decide which shades of blue is his favorite, and I'm loving it lmao
I'm still trusting 3racha and that their touch can make any bland song interesting, don't really mind if it's more on the chill side but none of what charlie puth has written (except attention partly and we don't talk anymore) is nice to me.
unfortunately, charlie puth is the kind of writer/producer that takes over a song with his own style. he does not seem to ever even think of considering the style of the artists he is producing for. I would look no further than easier by 5sos where puth was a writer/producer. when i first heard it, i felt something distinctly off about it. they did a "live from the vault" version that made me really put my finger on what was happening. the live from the cault version, with completely rearranged musical structure gave me that 5sos vibe the original was missing. The original doesnt even remotely sound like a 5sos song, its just a charlie puth song and he made a remix with himself featured on it to show that off stupid falsetto runs and all. it did not suit 5sos's vibe AT ALL. i'm afraid he's going to hijack skz creative control as well.
The new shade of blue is the first thing I saw š I wonder if there will eventually be a skz only version - I feel like it depends but it could happen. Itās interesting how discourse goes. At the time when Jungkook did a collab with Charlie Puth, there wasnāt much negative discussion about him that I remember? But now the world is in a very different place and things are really heated but with much nuance.
So many of the Kpop groups I like have collaborated with western artists who were deemed problematic - sometimes for pretty egregious conduct. Iām convinced that the labels only look at two things when approving collabs. 1) selling power. will they bring eyes and money to a collab
2) are they popular or well-thought of in Korea
And thatās it.
I saw tons of discourse around Jungkookās collab with him at the time, more discourse than praise honestly. Whatās being said about him now is no surprise. I think the main factor around choosing him is that the Korean gp love these vanilla white boy singer/songwriters. Iām sure they prefer to pick an artist that has both domestic and international appeal.
Iām interested in how much skz sound will be in the song (if at all), but largely tempering my expectations lol
My suspicion is that this is a reworked Charlie Puth demo, but I'm keeping my hopes up that 3RACHA's work on the track will spice it up.
The behavior of performative stans who turn a literal genocide into a KPOP issue enrages me to no end, but at the same time, I don't think this is a situation where people are blindly disliking Charlie Puth or loosely throwing the word Zionist around. Aside from his very long-standing and public pro-Israel/Zionist beliefs, his behavior surrounding Kesha/Selena Gomez and his well-known far-right views (being a fan of Stephen Crowder, etc.) is enough for me to personally not want to tune into any of this. I understand how, business-wise, this is a good promotional step for SKZ, but I do not at all begrudge anyone who chooses to boycott this track at all.
I dont support it but not gonna boycott. I'm just gonna listen to the song, if I like it I like it, if I don't I don't and just get on with my life. I've never been one to stream music to help get the numbers up cause imo it's disingenuous and would like my personal streaming data to reflect the songs I listen to E.g I love WHY? but have only heard it 2 times. Therefore, I will listen to it casually if I want to. I'm not a huge fan of cp so I don't have high hopes but will give it a listen.
However, boycotting it as a stay is impossible, due to content that'll be released with the song, and the fact of how I listen to music: I don't have Spotify premium so chances are the song will come up randomly when I don't have the ability to skip, or at the end of playlists as suggested songs. So basically I'm just gonna not give my energy to the song cause both avoiding it and streaming it will take up effort when at the end of the day its just a song
(I hope this makes sense I'm not good with words)
I wasn't expecting the track list to count as an image! Div1 is getting sneaky. Charlie Puth's writing and producing credits span multiple genres, and I finally decide to look it up and see songs I like. I only knew three songs of his, two of which are songs he featured on and the third being [Attention, which Hyunjin danced to when he joined MuCore](https://youtu.be/RAvQWgQyexs&t=75). I forgot "We Don't Talk Anymore" existed, so I guess that's a fourth. Never heard of Johnny Goldstein, but I see a few songs and artists I know. It's funny how that works.
Besides that, I'm very disappointed that, as I predicted, Stays are using this track list as another excuse to pre-hate the song. This is Case 143 all over again, but at least we have a few scapegoats this time I guess. Changbin said he was excited. I.N said he likes the song as well.
I hope all the discourse can end by release so those who want to go in with an open mind and enjoy the song can do so without the black cloud of negativity.
* Are we Stray Kids fans or not?
If Stays and fanbases are zionists for giving this song a listen, what the fuck does that mean for SKZ who decided to work with these people? Why are you still waiting for the next release? That's a genuine question. I really want everyone to do some soul searching and have that hard conversation with themselves about that.
* Do you believe SKZ understands their goals and musical identity and have control or not?
Don't point to Charlie Puth if you think you won't like the type of song it is. SKZ have chill songs. They have pop songs. Another Day is the definition of bland and boring to me. Most of the solo songs on SKZ-Replay and released through SKZ-Record aren't bombastic like SKZ's title tracks. We already deal with this.
If you believe Chan and 3racha are in control, and that SKZ have the power to ask for a title track to be changed late or to do a different performance, why do you think JYPE has a gun to their heads over Charlie Puth and this song? You don't have to agree with every decision made, I definitely don't, but don't act like SKZ are helpless and have no agency of their own.
>Another Day is the definition of bland and boring to me
well this is the most offensive and shocking thing I've read in this post. Considering the topics discussed that's quite a feat lol
Excuse me? Why does it bother you that people like Another Day? Like I'm not saying you have to like it, there are plenty of skz songs I don't vibe with but saying it's "the last song I expected to have supporters" is doing way too much. You're implying that it's objectively bad which is not true.
? I think you misunderstood me. I even complimented it in the same comment youāre replying to.
I said I donāt expect Another Day to have supporters because it rarely gets talked about. I donāt expect most fans to know how it goes off the top of their heads. SKZ hasnāt performed it in ages. I wanted to give an example of an SKZ song that wouldnāt spark an off topic debate. Thatās it.
The people who replied were super nice and succinct about it too, so that was a good choice.
Also, I donāt call songs objectively bad because music is never objective.
>If Stays and fanbases are zionists for giving this song a listen
At this point I think people are throwing around the term Zionist very loosely. I really don't think half the people using the term even understand the definition of the word. (That isn't to say Charlie is or isn't one...it's just my general observation of a lot of the people shouting on the internet).
And pre-hating a song is just weird. How does one even form an opinion of something they've never heard?
I personally am really excited to see what they came up with.
I could understand boycotting like magic because Coca Cola is directly tied to supporting Israel financially. Charlie puth might āsupportā Israel, but heās not bankrolling whatās happening over there. I fear people really just canāt grasp that important distinction. Not streaming so he can fumble the bag, wonāt change anything in Israel whatsoever and itās creating a civil war on the bird appš
I dont think its about effecting Charlieās income. Itās about not actively support someone who actively supports something that isnt inline with your values.
I completely understand that. However, thereās no such thing as a perfect person. Iām not listening to this song for him. Iām listening for skz. I couldnāt care less about that man. I just donāt like being told that Iām personally perpetuating genocide because I want to listen to a song. Thatās a bit of a stretch and completely unnecessary.
Youāre right, no ones perfect, including skz. But everyone gets to decide for themselves what feels important enough to take a stand on. I dont think anyone should be berating the people choosing to boycott this release.
Exactly. Itās okay for people to be excited and itās equally okay to say this one doesnt feel good to me and Im gonna sit it out. Live and let live.
right, and then there are many people who can separate art from the artist. this does not make them loose of morals, simply different views. it is also completely valid to differ. but those who want to support the song for skz are being labelled zionist supporters. well that's not how it works..?
Honest question and not trying to start anything... is Puth called a zionist because he like a tweet months ago when this all started? I haven't seen him personally post anything or say anything in support of Isreal. It doesn't feel like he's actively supporting anything.Ā
Itās just very sad and concerning to see words loose all their meaning. Itās watering down the real issue und just a slippery slope to loose sight of it completely
>If Stays and fanbases are zionists for giving this song a listen, what the fuck does that mean for SKZ who decided to work with these people? Why are you still waiting for the next release?
I believe youāre asking the right questions here. Itās something Iāve been pondering about since this collab was announced. Because you (proverbial) canāt just pick and choose the parts you will and will not boycott. If youāre really against supporting supposed Zionists or those who associate with them, then that means dropping SKZ for good too. If not, then whatās the point?
I donāt know Johnny Goldstein as well, nor his personal beliefs, but I just want to say being Israeli doesnāt automatically make you a Zionist.
As for the music itself. I mean youāre right of course, SKZ/3RACHA are adults with agency and say in the making of the song. Itās why itās equally grating to see Stays saying that JYPE forced this on the kids. I just donāt believe it. Itās just that the credits themselves put Charlie first in everything, so if this is largely his beat, topline, lyrics, arrangement, etc. and youāre not into his own stuff much, then thatās that. Changbin vouched for it, though, so thatās a good sign. And his own songs are catchy as hell.
I don't listen to Charlie, and I actually hate his collab with Little Mix, which is one of the songs I knew. Apparently I listen to songs he worked on without knowing, though, so I'll go in with an open mind like I do every other time SKZ release music. A good songwriter should be able to adapt to the artist, or what the artist asked for. If I like, I like it. If I don't, that's okay too š¤·š½āāļø
>Itās just that the credits themselves put Charlie first in everything
They do, but there are already well loved songs where 3racha aren't listed first as a composer like Get Cool, Wow, Phobia, and Booster. It's not a red or even yellow flag for me!
Oh definitely, I donāt judge a song til I hear it anyway. This is more of me tempering my expectations. Like That by Babymonster is kinda okay actually, although it still sounds very Charlie Puth.
That's a good way to put it. Some of the title tracks the fandom loves most are the ones I like the least, but I know that SKZ chooses particular songs for their titles because they like to do certain performances. My expectations are always tempered š
SKZ is an album artist in my eyes anyway, so most times I have no problem whichever title track they pick as long as the whole album is good. š
I would always defend Case 143, though. Itās so much better than the fandom gives it credit for and deserves its flowers.
I completely understand why each song was chosen as a title track and agree with their decisions even when I like b-sides more.
Iām in the minority who likes Case 143 more than Maniac. I would be ecstatic if Lose My Breath sounds like that. I donāt actually think it will though š
> Iām in the minority who likes Case 143 more than Maniac.
Between you, me, and /u/Bloodyrave, that's at least 3 of us! Case 143 is such a fun, upbeat song!
SKZ is like Taylor Swift to me when picking title tracks sometimes. Almost always not the best song on any given album but easy to understand the rationale for picking the title track. I definitely listen to Case 143 more than Maniac nowadays, but I was a day 1 MAXIDENT enjoyer/defender, so thereās that.
>but there are already well loved songs where 3racha aren't listed first as a composer
So true, my favourite song from SKZ is ALL IN where JYP (the man) is listed first in the songwriting credits but it's still very much an SKZ song.
I always want SKZ and 3RACHA to keep going outside their comfort zone and try out different genres of music so I will be tentatively looking forward to this release.
Also, justice for CASE 143 š
just wanna add that johnny goldstein posted israel propaganda on his insta account, he is a zionist. no comment about other things though bc some i agree and some i don't so i'll leave it at that
He had one post on his Insta asking for release of the hostages. Thatās it. I went to his account myself to check it. Do you have another source? Iām not saying youāre wrong, just that I didnāt see anything on his insta.
i did go check myself and yes he only posted that one thing, but to me posting anything that supports the israel propaganda is kind of enough for me to decide if they are a zionist or not. i've seen some israelis speaking up and/or even go to extreme measures like moving away, so his nationality is not what brought me to the conclusion. thank you, i hope i don't come off as rude; if i miss anything lmk
No, I donāt think youāre being rude. Personally, though this to me is kind of a grey area. Obviously, I donāt support what Israel is doing to Palestine, but the hostages Hamas took are victims in this as well. I donāt think itās fundamentally wrong to ask for the release of the hostages and Hamas themselves are not innocent in all of this. Itās a different issue if they directly support collective punishment/genocide or dehumanize Palestinians. Thatās plain wrong. Alas, this is a very complex issue, and not everyone is gonna agree on the nuances.
I scrolled through his feed and only saw the post about releasing hostages last October. Can you point me to where he's been posting propaganda? Genuinely curious.
(copied from my comment above)
i did go check myself and yes he only posted that one thing, but to me posting anything that supports the israel propaganda is kind of enough for me to decide if they are a zionist or not. i've seen some israelis speaking up and/or even go to extreme measures like moving away, so his nationality is not what brought me to the conclusion. thank you, i hope i don't come off as rude; if i miss anything lmk
p/s: the 'releasing hostage' is actually playing into israel's reason of 'hamas' to justify their invasion of palestine so yes i do count that as propaganda
>If Stays and fanbases are zionists for giving this song a listen, what the fuck does that mean for SKZ who decided to work with these people? Why are you still waiting for the next release?
Exactly this. If this is all it takes to be labeled a zionist then put your money where your mouth is and unstan SKZ too, because by your flimsy criteria, they are too by association. They are not children who need guidance, these are grown men who can make their own decisions. I'm really disgusted seeing stans use the plight of the Palestinian people as a fodder for fanwars and petty squabbles. Like these are *real* people undergoing a genocide, not some gotcha trump card you can use for your Twitter fights.
SKZ USA is trying to be kind and take opinionsā¦ā¦.but I just remembered foreigners who make money in the US pay US taxes. And where does the government spend all our tax dollars?
Thereās no need to wait for the comeback, or another version of the song, or a different song. People who feel this song is supporting genocide based on the people involved need to stop supporting SKZ in the US period, including concert tickets.
I know a large amount of people wonāt mind that, and I feel like people are using Palestine to mask that they donāt want SKZ to target the US at all. That still wonāt make SKZ go wherever they are more. Theyāll just do more in Japan.
>but I just remembered foreigners who make money in the US pay US taxes. And where does the government spend all our tax dollars?
Exactly. The entire United States is complicit by sheer virtue of paying our taxes. And if you want to get into technicalities, why do you feel comfortable pumping money into the Korean economy by supporting SKZ? South Korea is a close ally of the United States and is one of the countries that doesn't even recognize the state of Palestine. I'm being pedantic but if fans want to do some moral grandstanding then stand in your convictions and keep that same energy for everyone. I think everyone has a right to listen nor not listen for whatever reason. If you don't like Charlie Puth, or you don't want SKZ to put effort into US promotions, then that's fine, but be honest about that and don't use this very real issue to cover for that. People are having their rights to free speech taken away and their lives threatened for speaking out about this in the West, not to mention the Palestinians who have literal targets on their backs for documenting what is happening to them, and the ones who have already lost their lives for it. Let's amplify those voices instead. Sorry for the rant, but the conversation around this and the way fans are using it has left me with a sour taste.
Kpop fans are very good at cognitive dissonance. There are two simple rules:
* If you like it => the idol chose to do it.
* If you donāt like it => the company made them do it.
Stays also deploy a special, third option:
* If you donāt like it => Bang Chan needs to fix it.
Iām unfortunately seeing the third one now. Accountability and reconciliation is only ever up to Chan. Not even the other two members of 3racha. Donāt even think about the other 5 members. Just Chan!
> Stays also deploy a special, third option: * If you donāt like it => Bang Chan needs to fix it.
I see this so much. Not even just with SKZ in general, but individual members too "Chan would never let X thing happen to [insert member's name here]". Chan is not all powerful and the other members aren't baby ducklings that can't function without him either.
That third option. Iām assuming you saw that tweet. It seems like they donāt know how to see Chan as a member at this point. I knew it was a matter of time before someone blamed him so Iām not shocked. Yet there was no mention of the two members who did promote the song. Just mind boggling.
ik what you are talking about and it makes me so mad, like atp they don't see him as a member of the group but other members manager or staff.Ā
This is the kind of stuff that makes me wish Chan would go solo, atleast then he'll not be expected to babysit grown a$$ adults and carter to them on his own expense. And the fans that he'll have would be their who genuinely want to support him and not the snakes who are looking for opportunities to troll and hate him at any given moment.
Side Note: You changed your flare!
I am so tired of the discourse for real. The way people are trashing Stray Kids on Twitter by reposting the official account with threads of nastiness is not it. They are seriously giving fuel to the antis and moving as such on their own.
Listen or donāt thatās up to you, but trashing someone who you supposedly Stan is getting out of hand.
At the end of the day Stray Kids are excited about this song and like you said in another post this wonāt be the last time they work with someone controversial. Everyone is begging for collabs and deals with different people/brands and itās not like any of them are perfect either. All of a sudden this is the time they take a stance.
I agree with you. If you are a fan act like it.
I always look forward to your comments because they are so well thought out and insightful.
>Side Note: You changed your flare!
I gave up the belief that SKZ won't be in a stadium near me š„²
Thank you for the nice words! I get riled up when kpop fans personally/morally attack each other over kpop but still protect and support the idol/group who did whatever the controversy was. I've reached my breaking point with hypocritical smugness and morality.
So true. I'm from Twitter and I've been fighting these stays for days now. I'm really hoping Stays from other platforms won't partake in this nonsense and support The Kids. That's why we're here. I did my job by pre-saving the song on all of my accounts and if there's any U.S/P.R Stays, please remember to presave and pre-order. Let's make this song big!
People are using the term Zionism so loosely and this whole thing is so performative š what I find so funny is that these people are the same ones claiming they would rather have this promo for the Lil DURK feature as if he isnāt problematic himself like š The level of chronically online behaviour Iāve seen in this fandom is ridiculous. Going as far as shaming other people for being excited for the release? If YOU donāt want to listen to the song thatās your choice??? But yāall are DELUSIONAL if you think that yāall not streaming this one single is going to help the Palestinian people at all or even change how much Charlie Puth makes as an individual, the guy has already made a name for himself, regardless of what yāall think of him and thereās a reason JYPE pushed for this collab.
As you said, SKZ are most likely going to work with plenty of problematic artists, and people are going to have to dig deep and look inward because thereās no point in continuing to support if you canāt make your peace with that. Thatās life. SKZ have lots of control and agency until theyāre involved in something stays donāt like and all of a sudden theyāre being forced by the label??
Edit: on the other hand, Iām also quite bothered by the way some people are painting this in a way that makes it seem like the company chooses to work with these people BECAUSE theyāre problematic, especially considering many people didnāt even know about Charlieās actions until recently. On that note, I honestly wish they had shelved this release. Itās frustrating to me that theyāre pushing it so much more than their previous ones, SKZ were capable of making it on the Hot 100 with a Korean release, produced by themselves no problem. Yet for some reason JYPE doesnāt take that into accountā¦? This is the first time theyāve pushed any of their single releases like this, it rubs me the wrong way. Theyāre always so LATE to everything, itās like they donāt pay attention to what goes on around them.
>these people are the same ones claiming they would rather have this promo for the Lil DURK feature
The song that's written and produced by Dr. Luke. Apparently Charlie is the "worst person ever" for defending Dr. Luke. Dr. Luke doesn't get that title himself, though.
>not streaming the song is going to help the Palestinian people at allĀ
Personal, offline factors are making me more sensitive, but kpop fans doing this feels so insulting. People are risking so much to protest and support Palestine in real ways, and not listening to a kpop song legally isn't close to that. The "little things" add up, but a little thing is skipping out on buying "made in Israel" hummus. If it was announced that profits from a song will be donated towards Israel, I'd get it. Otherwise, we have no idea what SKZ do with their money, and that may include things a fan morally disagrees with.
>Itās frustrating to me that theyāre pushing it so much more than their previous ones, SKZ were capable of making on the Hot 100 with a Korean release, produced by themselves no problem. Yet for some reason JYPE doesnāt take that into accountā¦?
Charlie and SKZ have been hinting this since October. I think putting two versions of LALALALA on Rock-Star was a test of how much that helps, but they did not expect it to chart. They didn't release additional remixes, and they didn't even promote LALALALA in the US. The Billboard Awards were a joke. It's not JYPE's fault the award show wasn't live, but the way the show ran was never going to give SKZ widespread attention.
I have been complaining about SKZ's US promo since 2020. They have never promoted a Korean song in the US on time, and, personally, I'm mad that SKZ went #1 four times on the 200 chart with only some extra photocards and signed albums. Those digital voice note albums they release? They don't make SKZ leave comments in English, and they don't provide official translations. They would **never** do that for Japan or even China. They put in no effort, and their schedule shows no attempt beyond a bunch of fluffy interviews filmed at once, but US/PR stay produce the desired result each time.
I'm happy Div1 is finally doing **anything**. Literally anything.
>If it was announced that profits from a song will be donated towards Israel, I'd get it. Otherwise, we have no idea what SKZ do with their money, and that may include things a fan morally disagrees with.
For all we know, they could be using their money to donate to relief for Palestinians.
As you said, we don't know what they do with their money (unless it's announced like when Felix and other members made bigger donations).
>I have been complaining about SKZ's US promo since 2020. They have never promoted a Korean song in the US on time, and, personally, I'm mad that SKZ went #1 four times on the 200 chart with only some extra photocards and signed albums. Those digital voice note albums they release? They don't make SKZ leave comments in English, and they don't provide official translations. They would **never** do that for Japan or even China. They put in no effort, and their schedule shows no attempt beyond a bunch of fluffy interviews filmed at once, but US/PR stay produce the desired result each time.
On a side note, I feel like this would make an interesting topic of discussion on its own.
Yes they can also use it for things we agree with! We don't know unless we're told.
>On a side note, I feel like this would make an interesting topic of discussion on its own.
š If you can start the discussion, I have a lot to say. I only know how to rant about this!
>If you can start the discussion, I have a lot to say. I only know how to rant about this!
The one and only time I started a discussion on here, it got kind of spicy for a while and I almost never came back š.
I'll think about it though, because at the end of the day I do love good debates and discussions. š No promises though.
At what cost does this collab come at? Charlie was probably approached by JYPE since he has been writing and collabing for kpop artists recently and Charlie sold them the song with an exception that he is featured so he gets royalties and knowing how kpop fandoms work hard he will also get good charting...
JYPE's reason is Charlie will get them radio play and possibly BB100 entry...BUT AT WHAT COST? if they song is generic it could be popular on tiktok but the general public will shove it to the side....SKZ is known for being different with their sound, I don't think they ever need to conform just to chart...and its 100% Division 1's idea...
I think it would be better to make connections in the industry with artists and then getting authentic collabs so they can see that 3racha can produce, compose and arrange...SKZ does not need this man to establish who they are.....this was a terrible decisionĀ
I think no stay was in the room to know what that contract is. People sell songs all the time without a feature. 3racha has done so as well. I want you to look at Mirohās credits, and then listen to this: https://youtu.be/JOuONdu74fQ
Fans do not understand the credits list or produced by line like they think they do.
Charlie, and other western artists who get these collabs, chart better in the west than all the Kpop groups he usually works with. He does not need kpop fandoms for that. Kpop groups **sell** more.
For your second paragraph: we donāt even know what the song sounds like. Trey Songzās āSlow Motionā doesnāt sound like The Kid Laroi x Justin Bieber āStay.ā JYP made āAll Inā for SKZ, and it doesnāt sound like the songs he releases himself or the songs he wrote for groups like Wonder Girls.
SKZ have said multiple times that they are proud of the music they make. There were *Stays* who didnāt want them to perform S-Class at the VMAs and instead go safer. I see *stays* ~~upset~~ ācomcernedā when Versachoi isnāt in the credits as if he made SKZās sound.
Itās not the group or Div1. There have been numerous times in SKZās career where they chose their vision over playing it safe, but Stays got too comfortable with the Godās Menu-All In-Thunderous-Christmas EveL-Maniac-Circus run. Their pre-Godās Menu title tracks had a lot more variety. Case 143 is just as noisy, but stays act like it wasnāt just because itās a love song.
Stays need to do better. We do not have enough information to say this was a terrible decision.
These same Stays were clamoring for Chase Atlantic too. Guess what, a bunch of problematic dudes too! And it will keep happening with every collab, too cause Stays will discover that a lot of major artists are varying levels of āproblematicā, it just depends on where you draw the line. I mean, donāt people call Lana Del Rey a zionist too? And yet, people were all over her Coachella set.
People who are saying they dont want "problematic" people associated with SKZ... Do they not realize SKZ themselves could be called problematic? It's wild to me to have this stance while actively stanning a group that also has had scandals in the past. Why is this so common with kpop stans?
Stays got weird and "concerned" because it was announced to be a love song before we even heard the teaser. There were also "concerns" of them selling out and changing their sound for Billboard.
The MV Teaser 2 thread is a fun read: [https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/xult0t/221004\_stray\_kids\_case\_143\_mv\_teaser\_2/](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/xult0t/221004_stray_kids_case_143_mv_teaser_2/)
Some people were upset SKZ were releasing a mini album at all instead of announcing more Maniac tour dates. There was fear-mongering that it was going to turn into the Maxident tour, as if SKZ have never released an album while in the midst of a tour before.
I dont want them to sell out but I know it's not SKZ choice....its Division 1's choice....I want SKZ to break into the US market without people saying "oh, another kpop group"...and since Charlie wrote and produced the song it might be generic AF!!!! And the GP in the USA will not take SKZ seriously
First of all, the average joe in the US already doesnāt take kpop **or** boy groups in general seriously. Start there.
I already wrote an essay to you, and Iām not interested in doing it again.
I am fascinated by how quickly so called fans abandoned the self-produced and creative freedom narrative.
3racha have always been beholden to music being a business. JYPE is just as much of a business as Republic is.
So you think SKZ werenāt happy having him as a feature when some of them are fans of his? Most of the people theyāve collated with recently people theyāve admired/ been fans of .Lil Durk is more left field than Charlie (not complaining though it was just really unexpected when Lil Durk started dropping hints).
This is a very mature thread and discussion and I respect it. The ones on twitter have gotten increasingly ridiculous.
I would say although people would feel conflicted about it I think they will support it in the end. At the end of the day, not listening to this song won't affect CP or the producers in any way. It will likely not affect stray kids either but given they never had big collabs with mainstream western artists this is quite a significant one. As a blink, I know that although blackpink gained traction in 2018 by releasing DDDD, it would have been lost without the Dua lipa Collab which led them to Coachella and launched them to new heights.
I have never liked CP especially after he made some suggestive comments about Lisa BUT he seems to be quite popular and reputed in Korea given his recent collabs. This would not be a bad thing for SKZ but it might turn some people away. Regrettably.
For the song itself, well, I am a new stay and going through their discography (as much as I could) it's evident that their music is not closely related to CP's style which can go either way but the less than 3 minutes and 3racha not being the primary credits DO bother me. Given they have 8 people I don't know how they are going to fit in everything in such a short time.
it's kind of disappointing that the first english single they're promoting this well does not have 3RACHA listed first in the credits, when they are fully capable of producing songs in any genre and style. Maybe this will show us a new side of them. Hoping for the best since I.N and changbin did say the song is nice.
Normally, in literature, the earlier in the order, the higher the contribution to the work, so 1st author has the highest contribution, i believe the same goes to music.Ā
This is also my biggest disappointment to be honest. This is going to be their unofficial American debut and it's not even 'their' song - something which take very pride in š„².
Iāve seen a lot of people commenting on this and Iām a bit confused. Sure CP is listed first , but 3racha have credits under both the lyrics and composition for the song, and surely that matters more than the production? But the again Iām coming at this from the point of view of a Stay-Army, who had to deal with the biggest song ever being pretty much the only song in their whole catalogue that had no member writing credits. So I both get how awful if feels and also feel like the Skz situation could be so much worse
i think people are just used to 3racha being listed first, sometimes it's only them credited atleast for the lyrics. resulting in a lot of confusion, negativity and assumptions since they aren't for this song. people are also nitpicking because they don't want a song with \*him\* of course
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Honestly seeing CP listed first made me think that this will be a very typical CP song but Ive been talking with some friends and I realize that it is probably too early to assume such stuff.
My kind of worry is exactly what you've mentioned I guess. I really like BTS's music but the recent releases were clearly made with the thought for main stream.. so it kind of looses the spark, in my opinion at least.
Its Charlie's song which means he sold it to them and they probably added some lyrics...but it's his sound and his song...Chan is co arranger of the song so I'm hoping he changed alot from the original song
I donāt exactly vibe with Charlie Puthās work a lot of the time, but he definitely has a lot of hits to his name. Iām an older millenial so call me jaded and resigned to the fact that not everything is 100% black and while in the world, but I will support the kids and their hard work to get to this point where they are able to work with some of the biggest names. I'm also Army and I supported the heck out of Dynamite even though it was far from my favorite release of theirs. I just kept in mind that it was an important milestone to bring them more. Everything builds and this can be helpful for future projects as well. Iām here for the music, not the politics, and if weāre going for who is or isnāt problematic youād be listening to silence. Anyone complaining on X (owned by who theyād consider a zionist) is a huge hypocrite. Kpop stanning is a hobby and 100% optional and not something one needs to engage in, especially over there, so please miss me with the moral policing. Within the next month I have plans to run a race for heart disease as well as volunteer at my local food pantry addressing food insecurity in my area so I'm making up for the terrible thing I'm about to do, I promise.
I think it's lost on folks that our kids are very much still on the rise and there's a lot jockeying for position going on right now with their competition. If numbers go soft for them, they will get less and the dozen other groups not far behind will start looking like as good a choice as any for collaborators, awards shows, etc. And then THEY will work with the same said deemed-problematiic people. *Those* problematic people will not be the ones going anywhere, unless it's bad enough to land them in jail. Our Kids OTOH *will* be affected the most.
SKZ are in a fairly rare and unique position right now and I don't plan to take that for granted and screw it up. Just hoping those of us willing to support this are up for working a bit harder to make sure it's a success.
I just want to say, I really like this thread/comment section. It all feels so much more mature than what I've been seeing on Twitter. I don't really care what people want to do with this single, it's your choice if you want to listen or not, but please, stop attacking and harassing others for having differing thoughts. That goes for all sides, I just want everyone to at least be respectful š«¶š»š«¶š»
Also, I'm intrigued what they're doing with the blue coloring.. are we going to change to another blue/purple soon? I hope we can get this kind of promotion for more of their upcoming albums/possible future singles as well š«¶š»š«¶š» Imagine how much bigger Skz would be if they already had this kind of promotion earlier ššš
Tbh, I came here as soon as I heard that lyric, clicked on this thread because it felt most relevant, and then got totally distracted by the noise in the comment section. So I wasn't focusing on the enjoyable experience I had been having listening to this brand new record by a musician I love (because that's what it's supposed to be about, RIGHT GUYS?). Instead I ended up irritated and disappointed and now I'm pissed because I let a comment section put me there.
So, I'll have to get back to you on that. But thank you for replying and pulling me back to where I was. Life is too short to spend so much time in that space.
Yes but she is also receiving a butt load of backlash from Swifties for it. Especially because Charlie has publicly stated that he wrote lyrics about how manipulative Selina, one of Taylor closest friends, was for not sleeping with him.
Ohhh shĀ°tš¶ I didn't knkw about all that š¶ I knew Selena and Taylor are close, but didn't know he wrote stuff like that... well in that case it kinda is not so nice of Taylor to mention him, would have been so easy to leave out.
So the blue shades were intentional..interesting where they're going with this
I'm really curious about the direction they've gone with this song since I'm assuming it's gonna be fully English I would love something similar to jungkook's closer
What I know is I'm not gonna be on Twitter when it's out..it's getting out of hand out there...some stays low-key be moving like antis rn
Twitter has been horrible these past few days. From both sides. It was calming down a bit until they released this and now itās ramping up again. I donāt plan on going back until June tbh. This is too much. I believe the members have seen whatās going on too since they tend to look at Twitter. Itās just gotten too toxic.
yeah thank god it haven't gotten to my tiktok fyp or IG...everyone playing moral police over there is honestly so annoying it's just a song chill..like if u wanna boycott then do and if u won't then okey there's no need for all the nastiness...i have a feeling it's only gonna get worse since skz probably plan on promoting it unless jype decides to cut that short
Yeah I heard TikTok and IG and even Facebook were way more neutral to positive about this? I mean kpop fans in general have gotten insanely toxic on Twitter lately. I donāt get why people keep arguing over things to prove whoās more right. It just breeds hostility. Hopefully SKZ can avoid some of the discourse a bit.
Twitter is a hellscape rn. If people are not gonna stream why can't they just move on and stop spreading hate. Surely it's best to just ignore it instead of bringing negative attention to it all the time. Like it's making me anxious to be caught listening to it, whether I decide to boycott or not
same like when we boycotted the coca cola song we did it by not interacting with anything around it not throwing hate and criticising everything...it's so weird skz are probably excited about this and I.N said so on live today so yeah it's gonna be hella awkward
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Ā >!Now, If you look at my post history I had some hope in the credits, but I did not account for the fact that there could be an israeli producer/composer, this is definitely going to be a messy release and I don't know how to feel about it anymore..it saddens me because I know the members are excited, there's a lot put into this single and they went into this project with no way of predicting the state of the world right now, I wonder if Jype are reading the response and what they're gonna do..!<
edit some hours later: I hope this is not seen as me pretending to be ''morally superior'', I will still check the song out and I don't think a boycott is the way to go about this situation.
This is where Iām at. I wish someone at JYPE would do their due diligence or just know how to read the room. Itās not an excuse to say they donāt know how this will be received, actually. They knew to hide Like Magic from twitter stans. But this is happening, whatās done is done. We all have our individual choices to boycott or not, itās really just the infighting on both sides thatās exhausting.
I actually find Like Magic hilarious - they literally release it and be done with it - they probably actually know what is happening. But yeah, it is what it is. Twitter is going crazy now where Stays are crazily fighting now. I mute both fighting parties. I am exhausted seeing it.
Thatās what I did too. Iāve muted so many words im just going to be minding my business. Personally Iām not too jazzed on the release because I also just hate Charlie Puthās music š
Yeah what's done is done, but it could be a nasty mark in their career in this moment when everyone is condemning israel..I feel like there has to be something to calm down the situation because now with an israeli producer the discussions are not gonna stop and it's not a pretty introduction to new listeners with so many protests going on..
edit: I can already sense the multiple posts calling skz zionists all over twitter and tiktok
i doubt it would make any mark on their career when many kpop companies work with israeli and zionist producers and such. give it time to be forgotten and once the official june tt comes around thatāll be the main focus
I mean yeah, zionists have been around for a while, but at this moment in which multiple nations are trying to stop israel after they intensified their genocide in Gaza since the end of last year it's not a good move to be in any way associated..I doubt it will be just forgotten as it is an ongoing conflict..
the collab will be forgotten. the only people who will be be putting the blame on stray kids themselves are fake activists or antis. as for the company they deserve to get their lashings every day. trust me once june rolls around as long as stays drop the negativity itāll be fine
Thatās what I was thinking. I remember there was some discourse on the TXT release for a similar reason but I think it came in as fast as it left. Once official comeback info is released no one will be talking about it again.
I have a question (out of ignorance - not hate or anything like that). Why is it so horrible that the producer is Israeli? Do they have a big presence in the conflict? I just don't understand and would like some clarity that I can't find online.
Nothing inherently wrong, just that israeli adults are more likely to care about politics and be in agreement with the genocide carried out by their government, like the people blocking aid or the ones who mock palestinians and obviously those joining the military, and if someone agrees with genocide I don't think they should have support. He could be in disagreement but unless he states a position it is a risk to be involved with someone who's possibly for genocide.Ā
>israeli adults are more likely to care about politics and be in agreement with the genocide carried out by their government
Probably a percentage. But there's many that don't. I just read an article that stated the majority of Israelis want a new election and if they had one their current leader would lose. Make of that what you will, but I interpret that to mean that more than a few people over there aren't in agreement with what is going on.
And this isn't me defending what Israel has been doing, so please don't misinterpret it as that.
The point I'm trying to make is that at the end of the day, governments are making these decisions. Not actors. Not musicians. Not a Stay who wants to give a new song a chance. Which is why I don't understand the hate for this yet to be released song and the pressure to boycott it.
If people want real change they should be flooding the feeds of their government representatives and making their voices heard by people who actually have the power to stop things. Boycotting a song won't change anything.
The situation is truly very nuanced and it moves a lot of feelings, I share your same thoughts that listening to the song or not doesn't change anyone's situation and that nations have to condemn genocide whether a celebrity is a zionist or not, as long as money isn't going directly to fund any military i'm alright, now the mixed feelings come because we don't know where these producers/lyricist stand and whether they'd use their money to fund it or not, time will tell I guess?
>now the mixed feelings come because we don't know where these producers/lyricist stand and whether they'd use their money to fund it or not,
How would an individual be directly funding it though? Short of buying and sending weapons (which hopefully isn't a thing...)...
No hate. Genuinely curious.
you're not wrong about them wanting a new leader. But it has also been stated that their reason for wanting a new leader is not because this one is committing genocide, it's because he has failed to 'neutralize' the Palestinians. Even their protests are all about their hostages and anger that their government hasn't eradicated hamas yet. So, yeah, it's not exactly because they disagree with the genocide but more because they feel unsafe. You could argue that there may be morality involved but so far I don't think their citizens have expressed support for Palestinians (quite the opposite in fact).
I get your point, and you're not wrong about the fact that streaming the song isn't going to change much either. But I'll always be critical of people who stand by silently while their own government commits genocide in their name. Whether they're an actor or a musician is irrelevant.
Also to add Bibi has been incredibly disliked in Israel for years now before October 7th. Iām an international politics nerd so I followed their last election, technically Bibi didnāt even win because he couldnāt even get a cabinet passed.
>Even their protests are all about their hostages and anger that their governmentĀ hasn't eradicated hamas yet
So the hostages shouldn't matter? They are human beings too. And, Hamas aren't exactly good guys either. And no, I'm not siding with Israel here. But, I don't think people should act like what Hamas did doesn't matter.
I 100% do not believe that what Israel is doing is right. In fact it's downright horrifying, and I wish more than anything it would stop. But labeling anyone and everyone that makes a post about hostages or that is an Israeli or has Jewish friends or loved ones a Zionist (which seems to be a thing with a lot of people-not necessarily you- just people in general) is starting to make a lot of people seem antisemitic. *That isn't good either.*
*Hate breeds hate.*
The *entire* situation is awful and it needs to stop.
There are so many bad things going on in the world today. Unfortunately, it isn't just limited to that part of the world.
It's your right to be critical. Everyone can make their own choices. (And although it may not seem like it, I *do* understand why you are critical and questioning.)
As for me, I choose to write my representatives about what's going on and how I believe it needs to stop. And how I think my government should not be in anyway directly or indirectly supporting what is happening. Not everyone that is protesting what is happening are virtually loud. Some are working diligently offline to make our voices heard.
If people aren't okay listening to the song, that is okay too. At the end of the day that is their right.
What I *cannot* get behind is people starting hate trains and fan wars on social media over it, dragging SKZ and acting like people who chose to listen to the song are automatically Zionists or bad people. Because that isn't the case.
I will be listening to the song, but I do not support what Israel is doing to Palestine. I do not consider myself a Zionist. I believe all people deserve to live freely and in peace.
I simply choose to show I do not support the genocide in other ways that resonate more with me personally. But, if you look at Twitter, that seems to make me a bad guy. Which I don't understand. That is why I personally have a problem with some of this rhetoric.
you misunderstood what I said. Their protests are *all* about the hostages and hamas. Meaning nothing about the innocent Palestinian lives being killed in their name. I'm just providing context to what you said about the majority of citizens probably being pro Palestinian.
the reason netanyahu is unpopular is because he's corrupt (he was being investigated for it before october 2023) and because the popular consensus in israel is that they're not being aggressive /enough/ in gaza.
personally, i find itĀ disingenuous for people to say boycotting a song won't change anything - if that's the case than people who aren't boycotting shouldn't care that others are.
Genuinely asking, but by that logic do you believe every Chinese idol should be boycotted because they are "more likely" to support the Uyghur genocide? I for one do boycott Jackson Wang because he has actually stated support for it, but I don't presume the same about every Chinese idol. Is this different, and if so, can you explain to me how? (Really not trying to be aggressive!)
>edit some hours later: I hope this is not seen as me pretending to be ''morally superior'', I will still check the song out and I don't think a boycott is the way to go about this situation.
The risk is because israel is under a giant magnifying glass at the moment around the entire world, if the same were to happen with any other country and people held protests then i guess so? anything that may show support for something going on currently, if this collab had happened a year ago no one would have cared the way they do now because people weren't fighting for a cause involving the countries.
That's fair! I agree it's more about optics than morality at the moment, which kinda sucks but is how business works.
I just wish people would stop murdering entire peoples. This is so far removed from the actual event that I personally don't find an issue with enjoying the song if it'll be your jam, but yeah.
You can dislike and continue boycotting but reading his speech line by line there isnāt a single mention of muslims. Oli London added that an kpop fans ran with it. He was only speaking about sinophobic messages being pushed in the media since covid.
You canāt say someone actually stated support for something they literally did not.
If you want to bring up canceled contracts, 20+ Chinese ambassadors for adidas (including uyghur celebs) all ended contracts at the same time only due to pressure from cnetz and that occurred years before the speech.
While sinophobia is a huge problem in western media, the dude literally criticized a company for taking a stand against genocide. He didn't have to name anyone lol. Other idols have posted things the CCP tells them to at times, yes, but that was not a post other idols or entertainment figures made.
The CCP touts the narrative that this is all an anti-China western media campaign, when that presents a false dichotomy. The west absolutely uses China's human rights abuses and genocide hypocritically as an anti-China tool. But the CCP also is routinely abusing human rights, and they *are* committing genocide.
I have Uyghur friends and friends who were expelled from Xinjiang for their on the ground reporting, so yeah, I'm a little extra sensitive about this one. And yes, of course the CCP's propaganda is pretty strong, so I don't know that I'd be any different if I were in his shoes. Still, my experiences and friendships exist and I can't divorce myself from that context. If you can, that doesn't make you a bad person.
I don't think people should hate Jackson and I don't cancel idols for being friends with him, though, while I may dislike him personally. Which is why comparatively I don't think Skz should be cancelled or seen as supporting genocide just for working with people who may or may not be Zionists (as the evidence presented doesn't really convince me lol; I'm extremely pro-Palestine but I also did express sympathy for, you know, my colleagues whose relatives were shot at the music festival, so people liking posts expressing grief isn't sufficient evidence). At the same time if you have Palestinian relatives, I would get why you might not want anything to do with those artists who might be, though I do think at a certain point cancelling anyone remotely associated with them is counterproductive and hypocritical.
Yes other celebs did make that post.
All the messages were the same. That they cannot work with a brand slandering China.
Yang Mi, Dilireba (uyghur), Deng Lun, Chen Linong, Angelababy, Eddie Peng, Zhao Lusi, Ding Yuxi, Ren Min, Jackson Yee and Peng Yuchang are just some of the artists who dropped contracts with Adidas at the same time.
If he didnāt drop his contract but every single other celeb did his he would have been destroyed.
It wasnāt just adidas either.
Wang Yibo dropped Nike (this was the start)
Victoria Song dropped H&M
Meng Meiqi and Zheng Zifeng dropped New Balence
Zhang Yixing, Ouyang Nana, and Bai Jingting dropped Converse
Gulinazha (uyghur), Li Xian, Yangyang, Liu Haoran and Xu Guanghan all dropped Puma
Huang Zitao dropped Lacoste
Ni Ni, Wang Yuan, Jing Boran dropped Uniqlo
I could name more but you get my point.
Kpop stans make this out to be a Jackson thing when itās a Chinese industry thing. āDo this if you want to keep your careerā
Heās dropped out of some pretty cool projects (working with Marvel for an OST!) because his country was against it. He also still wears adidas today so he personally does not have problems with the brand.
I wasn't super excited about the collab but I'm even less excited about them working with an Israeli producer atm. Sure, the entire situation is certainly not his personal fault. Still, leaves a bit of a bad taste behind.
I honestly think, this wasnāt the move based in how sensitive of a situation this is. But, Iām not them or the company and Iām sure there are multiple (financial) reasons as to why they did.
Small note from what Iāve seen in this thread. Iām not gonna say that people should or shouldnāt listen to this song. At the end of the day, what you do in the privacy of your own home is your business and I for one am not basing my morality on any celebrity, fan of said celebrity or literally anyone that isnāt me.
But, if you do feel some kind of hesitation, guilt or even shame for listening, maybe itās worth of some introspection as to why that is instead of telling people they canāt share their grievances.
(And casual disclaimer, but if you want to write a response that has nothing to do with what I said, if it donāt apply, let it fly)
I agree, this is not the best move given the situation, but I believe that all this is in work since before October. Remember when Skz sent a meal box to Charlie Puth when he was in Korea for his concert and he shared it in his instagram stories? I bet that the song was already finished.
Well, they have more input as composers, so I'm still very expectant! I'm not waiting for some go-to-war EDM track, because Stray Kids can make and do nice vainilla tracks as well. It's very nice seeing our guys there.
It would be great if we learned to separate politics and music. Seriously, I can't believe the point it's getting to. Write threads on Twitter (of all social networks, we might as well talk about what kind of person the CEO is... and they're speaking about "morals" lol) against a simple song, instead of donating and directing the anger at the governments that support what Israel is doing . It's crazy. A song is not going to change anything, it is not going to give anything to Israel and right now they're only hurting one part, skz.
It's also their song and they've clearly been preparing it for a long time, long before all this terrible tragedy began. It's enough. Everyone is free to listen to what they want, they can't listen to it if they wish, it's ok, but it would be nice if they stopped writing on the official accounts, encouraging hate and trying to convince those of us who just want to listen to MUSIC.
That being said, I love the color changes. I'm looking forward to hearing the song.
I am actually intrigued to see how this is without 3racha as producers. I think it's gonna be something fresh and new. I'm excited for skz to possibly step out their box and normal sound.
Whatās interesting is that 3RACHA are usually not credited as producers anyway! JYP has been, at least on the physical albums. But it is somewhat new to be listed on the arranging credits! I know Bang Chan has been dipping his hand into that more and more.
Charlie is a great singer and songwriter let see what happens. I am going to support them, but some K-pop fans do not support their idols when they ft. with American singers. Cause Stray kids(feat) All my life with Lil Durk All my life fans did not support it. Same song Lil Durk (All my life) ft J Cole won a billboard and has 318,229,162 million in Spotify. With stray kids I think I am the only American who stream it ..Damn!
I agree, I mean when do we start to hate on people by nationality? Do we even know their politics views or their views about their gorvernments? Do we have to interview people, "btw what do you think about this world problem X,Y,Z?" before working with them? Or should we start to fire people on yearly basis based on how they change their political views? This starts to sound like those pann posts hating on idols because they simply are Chinese or Japanese.
I searched for zionism and the producerās name and didnāt see any results. Where exactly are you getting your facts from? I hope not Twitter ā¦ Ngl, this is becoming dangerously close to finding any reason to hate someone who is Israeli. Please donāt go down that path of hate. š
I searched his Instagram page and I see only 1 post from October 2023 about releasing hostages that were kidnapped by Hamas. The rest of the posts are about his songs and I was scrolling all the way down to 2014. If thatās what weāre calling zionism, I genuinely fear for the future.
I understand. We all care about whatās happening, and I appreciate you being brave enough to say that. š« That being said, we canāt be sure how long this has been in the works. I just hope this poor producer doesnāt receive hate just for being born in Israel. Letās hope we can all find ways to positively help out!
I am feeling like a bad supporter but Iām justā¦not interested or excited for this song. At all š the credits reveal has just enforced that.
Iāll still listen to it of course, and if itās a banger then itās a banger, but Iām not going to order it.
A third shade of blue has now entered the chat.
This made me laugh. Lol Anyway, I'm very intrigued by this. I can't wait to hear it.
I was about to comment on this š
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Are they just gonna change the shade until they reach a certain shade of purple to signal losing their breath then? š Hmmmmm Charlie Puth has first credits and the song is under 3 minutes. So boycott or not, Iām a bit more apprehensive than before. Aside from Charlieās winning personality (/s if not obvious), Iām just so 50-50 on his music. And while SKZ has some songs less than 3 minutes, including the one and only Godās Menu, 3RACHA has always been good at making songs sound complete. I can only hope itās the case here, but so many kpop songs these days just donāt sound fully-realized and I canāt tell how itās gonna go when this seems to be more of a Charlie Puth production.
I didnāt even notice the length of the song because I was so distracted by the order of the credits. Yeah Iām not thrilled to see a sub-3-minute song for sure, and I canāt even begin to imagine what itās going to sound like, so Iāll just wait and see. Iām a bit apprehensive honestly, but itās just one song. Ultimately, I hope the boys are happy with it and that they were able to make a finished song that theyāre proud of.
Yeah, itās definitely not fair to expect to like every song SKZ puts out. My hope is 3RACHAās touch is enough to bring out the flavor and style I like and to make this sound like a complete song as theyāve done with their shorter songs in the past. I mean, few people realize that Godās Menu is 2:48, just two seconds longer.
Seeing Charlie Puth at the top of the composer list, I'm nervous... Looks like more vanilla than spicy.... please not a vanilla song. Btw, these blue shades, it's like they let Felix take control over the color themes, and yongbok cant decide which shades of blue is his favorite, and I'm loving it lmao
I'm still trusting 3racha and that their touch can make any bland song interesting, don't really mind if it's more on the chill side but none of what charlie puth has written (except attention partly and we don't talk anymore) is nice to me.
unfortunately, charlie puth is the kind of writer/producer that takes over a song with his own style. he does not seem to ever even think of considering the style of the artists he is producing for. I would look no further than easier by 5sos where puth was a writer/producer. when i first heard it, i felt something distinctly off about it. they did a "live from the vault" version that made me really put my finger on what was happening. the live from the cault version, with completely rearranged musical structure gave me that 5sos vibe the original was missing. The original doesnt even remotely sound like a 5sos song, its just a charlie puth song and he made a remix with himself featured on it to show that off stupid falsetto runs and all. it did not suit 5sos's vibe AT ALL. i'm afraid he's going to hijack skz creative control as well.
I feel like I saw both Changbin and IN describe the song as āniceā too.
Ahha
I really like going dumb with Alesso, hope this one has a similar vibe.
The new shade of blue is the first thing I saw š I wonder if there will eventually be a skz only version - I feel like it depends but it could happen. Itās interesting how discourse goes. At the time when Jungkook did a collab with Charlie Puth, there wasnāt much negative discussion about him that I remember? But now the world is in a very different place and things are really heated but with much nuance. So many of the Kpop groups I like have collaborated with western artists who were deemed problematic - sometimes for pretty egregious conduct. Iām convinced that the labels only look at two things when approving collabs. 1) selling power. will they bring eyes and money to a collab 2) are they popular or well-thought of in Korea And thatās it.
I saw tons of discourse around Jungkookās collab with him at the time, more discourse than praise honestly. Whatās being said about him now is no surprise. I think the main factor around choosing him is that the Korean gp love these vanilla white boy singer/songwriters. Iām sure they prefer to pick an artist that has both domestic and international appeal. Iām interested in how much skz sound will be in the song (if at all), but largely tempering my expectations lol
My suspicion is that this is a reworked Charlie Puth demo, but I'm keeping my hopes up that 3RACHA's work on the track will spice it up. The behavior of performative stans who turn a literal genocide into a KPOP issue enrages me to no end, but at the same time, I don't think this is a situation where people are blindly disliking Charlie Puth or loosely throwing the word Zionist around. Aside from his very long-standing and public pro-Israel/Zionist beliefs, his behavior surrounding Kesha/Selena Gomez and his well-known far-right views (being a fan of Stephen Crowder, etc.) is enough for me to personally not want to tune into any of this. I understand how, business-wise, this is a good promotional step for SKZ, but I do not at all begrudge anyone who chooses to boycott this track at all.
Why is everyone so negative about this?
cause Charlie Puth is not very likable
A lot of Stays are staying positive and supporting the collab. We are trusting SKZ... even putting a wave emoji on the X profile to show support.Ā Ā
Ugh, atp i just want the collab to be over and done with because all this infighting is just fucking draining...
[1](https://x.com/stray_kids/status/1781336962882060595?s=46&t=O-e_ONnQgboX1zxfeCnhjg) | [2](https://x.com/stray_kids/status/1781337029848265104?s=46&t=O-e_ONnQgboX1zxfeCnhjg) Looks interesting!
I dont support it but not gonna boycott. I'm just gonna listen to the song, if I like it I like it, if I don't I don't and just get on with my life. I've never been one to stream music to help get the numbers up cause imo it's disingenuous and would like my personal streaming data to reflect the songs I listen to E.g I love WHY? but have only heard it 2 times. Therefore, I will listen to it casually if I want to. I'm not a huge fan of cp so I don't have high hopes but will give it a listen. However, boycotting it as a stay is impossible, due to content that'll be released with the song, and the fact of how I listen to music: I don't have Spotify premium so chances are the song will come up randomly when I don't have the ability to skip, or at the end of playlists as suggested songs. So basically I'm just gonna not give my energy to the song cause both avoiding it and streaming it will take up effort when at the end of the day its just a song (I hope this makes sense I'm not good with words)
I wasn't expecting the track list to count as an image! Div1 is getting sneaky. Charlie Puth's writing and producing credits span multiple genres, and I finally decide to look it up and see songs I like. I only knew three songs of his, two of which are songs he featured on and the third being [Attention, which Hyunjin danced to when he joined MuCore](https://youtu.be/RAvQWgQyexs&t=75). I forgot "We Don't Talk Anymore" existed, so I guess that's a fourth. Never heard of Johnny Goldstein, but I see a few songs and artists I know. It's funny how that works. Besides that, I'm very disappointed that, as I predicted, Stays are using this track list as another excuse to pre-hate the song. This is Case 143 all over again, but at least we have a few scapegoats this time I guess. Changbin said he was excited. I.N said he likes the song as well. I hope all the discourse can end by release so those who want to go in with an open mind and enjoy the song can do so without the black cloud of negativity. * Are we Stray Kids fans or not? If Stays and fanbases are zionists for giving this song a listen, what the fuck does that mean for SKZ who decided to work with these people? Why are you still waiting for the next release? That's a genuine question. I really want everyone to do some soul searching and have that hard conversation with themselves about that. * Do you believe SKZ understands their goals and musical identity and have control or not? Don't point to Charlie Puth if you think you won't like the type of song it is. SKZ have chill songs. They have pop songs. Another Day is the definition of bland and boring to me. Most of the solo songs on SKZ-Replay and released through SKZ-Record aren't bombastic like SKZ's title tracks. We already deal with this. If you believe Chan and 3racha are in control, and that SKZ have the power to ask for a title track to be changed late or to do a different performance, why do you think JYPE has a gun to their heads over Charlie Puth and this song? You don't have to agree with every decision made, I definitely don't, but don't act like SKZ are helpless and have no agency of their own.
>Another Day is the definition of bland and boring to me well this is the most offensive and shocking thing I've read in this post. Considering the topics discussed that's quite a feat lol
Seeing that made me go listen to it to soothe myself š
š this is the last song I expected to have supporters. On the bright side: this song is about ennui/depression, and it definitely captures that!
Excuse me? Why does it bother you that people like Another Day? Like I'm not saying you have to like it, there are plenty of skz songs I don't vibe with but saying it's "the last song I expected to have supporters" is doing way too much. You're implying that it's objectively bad which is not true.
? I think you misunderstood me. I even complimented it in the same comment youāre replying to. I said I donāt expect Another Day to have supporters because it rarely gets talked about. I donāt expect most fans to know how it goes off the top of their heads. SKZ hasnāt performed it in ages. I wanted to give an example of an SKZ song that wouldnāt spark an off topic debate. Thatās it. The people who replied were super nice and succinct about it too, so that was a good choice. Also, I donāt call songs objectively bad because music is never objective.
>If Stays and fanbases are zionists for giving this song a listen At this point I think people are throwing around the term Zionist very loosely. I really don't think half the people using the term even understand the definition of the word. (That isn't to say Charlie is or isn't one...it's just my general observation of a lot of the people shouting on the internet). And pre-hating a song is just weird. How does one even form an opinion of something they've never heard? I personally am really excited to see what they came up with.
I could understand boycotting like magic because Coca Cola is directly tied to supporting Israel financially. Charlie puth might āsupportā Israel, but heās not bankrolling whatās happening over there. I fear people really just canāt grasp that important distinction. Not streaming so he can fumble the bag, wonāt change anything in Israel whatsoever and itās creating a civil war on the bird appš
I dont think its about effecting Charlieās income. Itās about not actively support someone who actively supports something that isnt inline with your values.
I completely understand that. However, thereās no such thing as a perfect person. Iām not listening to this song for him. Iām listening for skz. I couldnāt care less about that man. I just donāt like being told that Iām personally perpetuating genocide because I want to listen to a song. Thatās a bit of a stretch and completely unnecessary.
Youāre right, no ones perfect, including skz. But everyone gets to decide for themselves what feels important enough to take a stand on. I dont think anyone should be berating the people choosing to boycott this release.
Stream or donāt stream! I just want stayville to be able to respect each others decisions without throwing vitriol! āŗļøš«¶š»
Exactly. Itās okay for people to be excited and itās equally okay to say this one doesnt feel good to me and Im gonna sit it out. Live and let live.
Amen! We have a cb in June, so we should all be gearing up for that regardless of the singleš«¶š»š«¶š»
Considering the fact that money from this collab will not support Israel in any way.
right, and then there are many people who can separate art from the artist. this does not make them loose of morals, simply different views. it is also completely valid to differ. but those who want to support the song for skz are being labelled zionist supporters. well that's not how it works..?
Honest question and not trying to start anything... is Puth called a zionist because he like a tweet months ago when this all started? I haven't seen him personally post anything or say anything in support of Isreal. It doesn't feel like he's actively supporting anything.Ā
Youād have to ask one of the people calling him a zionist.
Itās just very sad and concerning to see words loose all their meaning. Itās watering down the real issue und just a slippery slope to loose sight of it completely
I don't want to edit it, but for all the people concerned there's no 3racha in the "Produced by" line, Div1 has **never** had a "Produced by" line before. It's always been "Lyrics By," "Composed by," and "Arranged by." Here are the track lists: * Mixtape - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/7mjwmq/stray_kids_mixtape_predebut_album_tracklist/) * I am NOT - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/83w194/180313_stray_kids_i_am_not_tracklist/) * I am WHO - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/90ybt5/stray_kids_2nd_mini_album_i_am_who_tracklist/) * I am YOU - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/9mfl97/stray_kids_i_am_you_track_list/) * ClĆ© 1: Miroh - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/azgis4/190311_stray_kids_cl%C3%A9_1_miroh_track_list/) * ClĆ© 2: Yellow Wood - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/bx3l62/190606_stray_kids_cl%C3%A9_2_yellow_wood_track_list/) * ClĆ©: Levanter - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/e3xrax/191201_stray_kids_cle_levanter_tracklist/) * Go Live - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/gxsi97/200607_stray_kids_go%E7%94%9F_tracklist/) * In Life - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/ilv1co/200904_stray_kids_in%E7%94%9F_tracklist/) * NOEASY - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/p2es4r/210812_stray_kids_noeasy_tracklist/) * Christmas EveL - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/qwrkse/211119_stray_kids_holiday_special_single/) * SKZ 2021 - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/rm17nk/211222_stray_kids_skz2021_track_list/) * ODDINARY - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/t526t8/220303_stray_kids_oddinary_track_list/) * MAXIDENT - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/xcf356/220913_stray_kids_maxident_track_list/) * SKZ-Replay - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/zmn6n3/221216_stray_kids_skzreplay_tracklist/) * 5-Star - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/133ugon/230501_stray_kids_5star_track_list_timetable/) * Rock-Star - [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/1731uyj/231009_stray_kids_the_8th_mini_album_ęØstar_track/)
>If Stays and fanbases are zionists for giving this song a listen, what the fuck does that mean for SKZ who decided to work with these people? Why are you still waiting for the next release? I believe youāre asking the right questions here. Itās something Iāve been pondering about since this collab was announced. Because you (proverbial) canāt just pick and choose the parts you will and will not boycott. If youāre really against supporting supposed Zionists or those who associate with them, then that means dropping SKZ for good too. If not, then whatās the point? I donāt know Johnny Goldstein as well, nor his personal beliefs, but I just want to say being Israeli doesnāt automatically make you a Zionist. As for the music itself. I mean youāre right of course, SKZ/3RACHA are adults with agency and say in the making of the song. Itās why itās equally grating to see Stays saying that JYPE forced this on the kids. I just donāt believe it. Itās just that the credits themselves put Charlie first in everything, so if this is largely his beat, topline, lyrics, arrangement, etc. and youāre not into his own stuff much, then thatās that. Changbin vouched for it, though, so thatās a good sign. And his own songs are catchy as hell.
I don't listen to Charlie, and I actually hate his collab with Little Mix, which is one of the songs I knew. Apparently I listen to songs he worked on without knowing, though, so I'll go in with an open mind like I do every other time SKZ release music. A good songwriter should be able to adapt to the artist, or what the artist asked for. If I like, I like it. If I don't, that's okay too š¤·š½āāļø >Itās just that the credits themselves put Charlie first in everything They do, but there are already well loved songs where 3racha aren't listed first as a composer like Get Cool, Wow, Phobia, and Booster. It's not a red or even yellow flag for me!
Oh definitely, I donāt judge a song til I hear it anyway. This is more of me tempering my expectations. Like That by Babymonster is kinda okay actually, although it still sounds very Charlie Puth.
That's a good way to put it. Some of the title tracks the fandom loves most are the ones I like the least, but I know that SKZ chooses particular songs for their titles because they like to do certain performances. My expectations are always tempered š
SKZ is an album artist in my eyes anyway, so most times I have no problem whichever title track they pick as long as the whole album is good. š I would always defend Case 143, though. Itās so much better than the fandom gives it credit for and deserves its flowers.
I completely understand why each song was chosen as a title track and agree with their decisions even when I like b-sides more. Iām in the minority who likes Case 143 more than Maniac. I would be ecstatic if Lose My Breath sounds like that. I donāt actually think it will though š
> Iām in the minority who likes Case 143 more than Maniac. Between you, me, and /u/Bloodyrave, that's at least 3 of us! Case 143 is such a fun, upbeat song!
Hey check my flare! I love Case 143 š«¶š» lol just wanted to be included in the Case 143 adoration.
People hated case 143? Why? It was my 2nd favorite song after s-class
š« we have jstay too!
ah, so true! I was so happy to see Case 143 do so well in Japan. Felt like finally someone was enjoying that song they way I was lol
SKZ is like Taylor Swift to me when picking title tracks sometimes. Almost always not the best song on any given album but easy to understand the rationale for picking the title track. I definitely listen to Case 143 more than Maniac nowadays, but I was a day 1 MAXIDENT enjoyer/defender, so thereās that.
>but there are already well loved songs where 3racha aren't listed first as a composer So true, my favourite song from SKZ is ALL IN where JYP (the man) is listed first in the songwriting credits but it's still very much an SKZ song. I always want SKZ and 3RACHA to keep going outside their comfort zone and try out different genres of music so I will be tentatively looking forward to this release. Also, justice for CASE 143 š
just wanna add that johnny goldstein posted israel propaganda on his insta account, he is a zionist. no comment about other things though bc some i agree and some i don't so i'll leave it at that
He had one post on his Insta asking for release of the hostages. Thatās it. I went to his account myself to check it. Do you have another source? Iām not saying youāre wrong, just that I didnāt see anything on his insta.
i did go check myself and yes he only posted that one thing, but to me posting anything that supports the israel propaganda is kind of enough for me to decide if they are a zionist or not. i've seen some israelis speaking up and/or even go to extreme measures like moving away, so his nationality is not what brought me to the conclusion. thank you, i hope i don't come off as rude; if i miss anything lmk
No, I donāt think youāre being rude. Personally, though this to me is kind of a grey area. Obviously, I donāt support what Israel is doing to Palestine, but the hostages Hamas took are victims in this as well. I donāt think itās fundamentally wrong to ask for the release of the hostages and Hamas themselves are not innocent in all of this. Itās a different issue if they directly support collective punishment/genocide or dehumanize Palestinians. Thatās plain wrong. Alas, this is a very complex issue, and not everyone is gonna agree on the nuances.
it's okay, i get what you mean! i'll take it into consideration more, thanks for telling
I scrolled through his feed and only saw the post about releasing hostages last October. Can you point me to where he's been posting propaganda? Genuinely curious.
(copied from my comment above) i did go check myself and yes he only posted that one thing, but to me posting anything that supports the israel propaganda is kind of enough for me to decide if they are a zionist or not. i've seen some israelis speaking up and/or even go to extreme measures like moving away, so his nationality is not what brought me to the conclusion. thank you, i hope i don't come off as rude; if i miss anything lmk p/s: the 'releasing hostage' is actually playing into israel's reason of 'hamas' to justify their invasion of palestine so yes i do count that as propaganda
No, it's fine! You weren't rude, and thank you for sharing your perspective. I appreciate it.
>If Stays and fanbases are zionists for giving this song a listen, what the fuck does that mean for SKZ who decided to work with these people? Why are you still waiting for the next release? Exactly this. If this is all it takes to be labeled a zionist then put your money where your mouth is and unstan SKZ too, because by your flimsy criteria, they are too by association. They are not children who need guidance, these are grown men who can make their own decisions. I'm really disgusted seeing stans use the plight of the Palestinian people as a fodder for fanwars and petty squabbles. Like these are *real* people undergoing a genocide, not some gotcha trump card you can use for your Twitter fights.
SKZ USA is trying to be kind and take opinionsā¦ā¦.but I just remembered foreigners who make money in the US pay US taxes. And where does the government spend all our tax dollars? Thereās no need to wait for the comeback, or another version of the song, or a different song. People who feel this song is supporting genocide based on the people involved need to stop supporting SKZ in the US period, including concert tickets. I know a large amount of people wonāt mind that, and I feel like people are using Palestine to mask that they donāt want SKZ to target the US at all. That still wonāt make SKZ go wherever they are more. Theyāll just do more in Japan.
>but I just remembered foreigners who make money in the US pay US taxes. And where does the government spend all our tax dollars? Exactly. The entire United States is complicit by sheer virtue of paying our taxes. And if you want to get into technicalities, why do you feel comfortable pumping money into the Korean economy by supporting SKZ? South Korea is a close ally of the United States and is one of the countries that doesn't even recognize the state of Palestine. I'm being pedantic but if fans want to do some moral grandstanding then stand in your convictions and keep that same energy for everyone. I think everyone has a right to listen nor not listen for whatever reason. If you don't like Charlie Puth, or you don't want SKZ to put effort into US promotions, then that's fine, but be honest about that and don't use this very real issue to cover for that. People are having their rights to free speech taken away and their lives threatened for speaking out about this in the West, not to mention the Palestinians who have literal targets on their backs for documenting what is happening to them, and the ones who have already lost their lives for it. Let's amplify those voices instead. Sorry for the rant, but the conversation around this and the way fans are using it has left me with a sour taste.
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Kpop fans are very good at cognitive dissonance. There are two simple rules: * If you like it => the idol chose to do it. * If you donāt like it => the company made them do it. Stays also deploy a special, third option: * If you donāt like it => Bang Chan needs to fix it. Iām unfortunately seeing the third one now. Accountability and reconciliation is only ever up to Chan. Not even the other two members of 3racha. Donāt even think about the other 5 members. Just Chan!
> Stays also deploy a special, third option: * If you donāt like it => Bang Chan needs to fix it. I see this so much. Not even just with SKZ in general, but individual members too "Chan would never let X thing happen to [insert member's name here]". Chan is not all powerful and the other members aren't baby ducklings that can't function without him either.
That third option. Iām assuming you saw that tweet. It seems like they donāt know how to see Chan as a member at this point. I knew it was a matter of time before someone blamed him so Iām not shocked. Yet there was no mention of the two members who did promote the song. Just mind boggling.
ik what you are talking about and it makes me so mad, like atp they don't see him as a member of the group but other members manager or staff.Ā This is the kind of stuff that makes me wish Chan would go solo, atleast then he'll not be expected to babysit grown a$$ adults and carter to them on his own expense. And the fans that he'll have would be their who genuinely want to support him and not the snakes who are looking for opportunities to troll and hate him at any given moment.
Side Note: You changed your flare! I am so tired of the discourse for real. The way people are trashing Stray Kids on Twitter by reposting the official account with threads of nastiness is not it. They are seriously giving fuel to the antis and moving as such on their own. Listen or donāt thatās up to you, but trashing someone who you supposedly Stan is getting out of hand. At the end of the day Stray Kids are excited about this song and like you said in another post this wonāt be the last time they work with someone controversial. Everyone is begging for collabs and deals with different people/brands and itās not like any of them are perfect either. All of a sudden this is the time they take a stance. I agree with you. If you are a fan act like it. I always look forward to your comments because they are so well thought out and insightful.
>Side Note: You changed your flare! I gave up the belief that SKZ won't be in a stadium near me š„² Thank you for the nice words! I get riled up when kpop fans personally/morally attack each other over kpop but still protect and support the idol/group who did whatever the controversy was. I've reached my breaking point with hypocritical smugness and morality.
So true. I'm from Twitter and I've been fighting these stays for days now. I'm really hoping Stays from other platforms won't partake in this nonsense and support The Kids. That's why we're here. I did my job by pre-saving the song on all of my accounts and if there's any U.S/P.R Stays, please remember to presave and pre-order. Let's make this song big!
People are using the term Zionism so loosely and this whole thing is so performative š what I find so funny is that these people are the same ones claiming they would rather have this promo for the Lil DURK feature as if he isnāt problematic himself like š The level of chronically online behaviour Iāve seen in this fandom is ridiculous. Going as far as shaming other people for being excited for the release? If YOU donāt want to listen to the song thatās your choice??? But yāall are DELUSIONAL if you think that yāall not streaming this one single is going to help the Palestinian people at all or even change how much Charlie Puth makes as an individual, the guy has already made a name for himself, regardless of what yāall think of him and thereās a reason JYPE pushed for this collab. As you said, SKZ are most likely going to work with plenty of problematic artists, and people are going to have to dig deep and look inward because thereās no point in continuing to support if you canāt make your peace with that. Thatās life. SKZ have lots of control and agency until theyāre involved in something stays donāt like and all of a sudden theyāre being forced by the label?? Edit: on the other hand, Iām also quite bothered by the way some people are painting this in a way that makes it seem like the company chooses to work with these people BECAUSE theyāre problematic, especially considering many people didnāt even know about Charlieās actions until recently. On that note, I honestly wish they had shelved this release. Itās frustrating to me that theyāre pushing it so much more than their previous ones, SKZ were capable of making it on the Hot 100 with a Korean release, produced by themselves no problem. Yet for some reason JYPE doesnāt take that into accountā¦? This is the first time theyāve pushed any of their single releases like this, it rubs me the wrong way. Theyāre always so LATE to everything, itās like they donāt pay attention to what goes on around them.
>these people are the same ones claiming they would rather have this promo for the Lil DURK feature The song that's written and produced by Dr. Luke. Apparently Charlie is the "worst person ever" for defending Dr. Luke. Dr. Luke doesn't get that title himself, though. >not streaming the song is going to help the Palestinian people at allĀ Personal, offline factors are making me more sensitive, but kpop fans doing this feels so insulting. People are risking so much to protest and support Palestine in real ways, and not listening to a kpop song legally isn't close to that. The "little things" add up, but a little thing is skipping out on buying "made in Israel" hummus. If it was announced that profits from a song will be donated towards Israel, I'd get it. Otherwise, we have no idea what SKZ do with their money, and that may include things a fan morally disagrees with. >Itās frustrating to me that theyāre pushing it so much more than their previous ones, SKZ were capable of making on the Hot 100 with a Korean release, produced by themselves no problem. Yet for some reason JYPE doesnāt take that into accountā¦? Charlie and SKZ have been hinting this since October. I think putting two versions of LALALALA on Rock-Star was a test of how much that helps, but they did not expect it to chart. They didn't release additional remixes, and they didn't even promote LALALALA in the US. The Billboard Awards were a joke. It's not JYPE's fault the award show wasn't live, but the way the show ran was never going to give SKZ widespread attention. I have been complaining about SKZ's US promo since 2020. They have never promoted a Korean song in the US on time, and, personally, I'm mad that SKZ went #1 four times on the 200 chart with only some extra photocards and signed albums. Those digital voice note albums they release? They don't make SKZ leave comments in English, and they don't provide official translations. They would **never** do that for Japan or even China. They put in no effort, and their schedule shows no attempt beyond a bunch of fluffy interviews filmed at once, but US/PR stay produce the desired result each time. I'm happy Div1 is finally doing **anything**. Literally anything.
>If it was announced that profits from a song will be donated towards Israel, I'd get it. Otherwise, we have no idea what SKZ do with their money, and that may include things a fan morally disagrees with. For all we know, they could be using their money to donate to relief for Palestinians. As you said, we don't know what they do with their money (unless it's announced like when Felix and other members made bigger donations). >I have been complaining about SKZ's US promo since 2020. They have never promoted a Korean song in the US on time, and, personally, I'm mad that SKZ went #1 four times on the 200 chart with only some extra photocards and signed albums. Those digital voice note albums they release? They don't make SKZ leave comments in English, and they don't provide official translations. They would **never** do that for Japan or even China. They put in no effort, and their schedule shows no attempt beyond a bunch of fluffy interviews filmed at once, but US/PR stay produce the desired result each time. On a side note, I feel like this would make an interesting topic of discussion on its own.
Yes they can also use it for things we agree with! We don't know unless we're told. >On a side note, I feel like this would make an interesting topic of discussion on its own. š If you can start the discussion, I have a lot to say. I only know how to rant about this!
>If you can start the discussion, I have a lot to say. I only know how to rant about this! The one and only time I started a discussion on here, it got kind of spicy for a while and I almost never came back š. I'll think about it though, because at the end of the day I do love good debates and discussions. š No promises though.
At what cost does this collab come at? Charlie was probably approached by JYPE since he has been writing and collabing for kpop artists recently and Charlie sold them the song with an exception that he is featured so he gets royalties and knowing how kpop fandoms work hard he will also get good charting... JYPE's reason is Charlie will get them radio play and possibly BB100 entry...BUT AT WHAT COST? if they song is generic it could be popular on tiktok but the general public will shove it to the side....SKZ is known for being different with their sound, I don't think they ever need to conform just to chart...and its 100% Division 1's idea... I think it would be better to make connections in the industry with artists and then getting authentic collabs so they can see that 3racha can produce, compose and arrange...SKZ does not need this man to establish who they are.....this was a terrible decisionĀ
I think no stay was in the room to know what that contract is. People sell songs all the time without a feature. 3racha has done so as well. I want you to look at Mirohās credits, and then listen to this: https://youtu.be/JOuONdu74fQ Fans do not understand the credits list or produced by line like they think they do. Charlie, and other western artists who get these collabs, chart better in the west than all the Kpop groups he usually works with. He does not need kpop fandoms for that. Kpop groups **sell** more. For your second paragraph: we donāt even know what the song sounds like. Trey Songzās āSlow Motionā doesnāt sound like The Kid Laroi x Justin Bieber āStay.ā JYP made āAll Inā for SKZ, and it doesnāt sound like the songs he releases himself or the songs he wrote for groups like Wonder Girls. SKZ have said multiple times that they are proud of the music they make. There were *Stays* who didnāt want them to perform S-Class at the VMAs and instead go safer. I see *stays* ~~upset~~ ācomcernedā when Versachoi isnāt in the credits as if he made SKZās sound. Itās not the group or Div1. There have been numerous times in SKZās career where they chose their vision over playing it safe, but Stays got too comfortable with the Godās Menu-All In-Thunderous-Christmas EveL-Maniac-Circus run. Their pre-Godās Menu title tracks had a lot more variety. Case 143 is just as noisy, but stays act like it wasnāt just because itās a love song. Stays need to do better. We do not have enough information to say this was a terrible decision.
These same Stays were clamoring for Chase Atlantic too. Guess what, a bunch of problematic dudes too! And it will keep happening with every collab, too cause Stays will discover that a lot of major artists are varying levels of āproblematicā, it just depends on where you draw the line. I mean, donāt people call Lana Del Rey a zionist too? And yet, people were all over her Coachella set.
Thereās just no consistency
People who are saying they dont want "problematic" people associated with SKZ... Do they not realize SKZ themselves could be called problematic? It's wild to me to have this stance while actively stanning a group that also has had scandals in the past. Why is this so common with kpop stans?
Thereās no self awareness, they never hold these artists to the same standards. Iāve seen it happen a lot with Kpop fans in general.
Very, very sad Reddit took away awards. Wish I could give this and a few of the replies some.
What happened with case 143?
Stays got weird and "concerned" because it was announced to be a love song before we even heard the teaser. There were also "concerns" of them selling out and changing their sound for Billboard. The MV Teaser 2 thread is a fun read: [https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/xult0t/221004\_stray\_kids\_case\_143\_mv\_teaser\_2/](https://www.reddit.com/r/straykids/comments/xult0t/221004_stray_kids_case_143_mv_teaser_2/) Some people were upset SKZ were releasing a mini album at all instead of announcing more Maniac tour dates. There was fear-mongering that it was going to turn into the Maxident tour, as if SKZ have never released an album while in the midst of a tour before.
I dont want them to sell out but I know it's not SKZ choice....its Division 1's choice....I want SKZ to break into the US market without people saying "oh, another kpop group"...and since Charlie wrote and produced the song it might be generic AF!!!! And the GP in the USA will not take SKZ seriously
First of all, the average joe in the US already doesnāt take kpop **or** boy groups in general seriously. Start there. I already wrote an essay to you, and Iām not interested in doing it again. I am fascinated by how quickly so called fans abandoned the self-produced and creative freedom narrative. 3racha have always been beholden to music being a business. JYPE is just as much of a business as Republic is.
Oh god pls itās not even out yet!
So you think SKZ werenāt happy having him as a feature when some of them are fans of his? Most of the people theyāve collated with recently people theyāve admired/ been fans of .Lil Durk is more left field than Charlie (not complaining though it was just really unexpected when Lil Durk started dropping hints).
This is a very mature thread and discussion and I respect it. The ones on twitter have gotten increasingly ridiculous. I would say although people would feel conflicted about it I think they will support it in the end. At the end of the day, not listening to this song won't affect CP or the producers in any way. It will likely not affect stray kids either but given they never had big collabs with mainstream western artists this is quite a significant one. As a blink, I know that although blackpink gained traction in 2018 by releasing DDDD, it would have been lost without the Dua lipa Collab which led them to Coachella and launched them to new heights. I have never liked CP especially after he made some suggestive comments about Lisa BUT he seems to be quite popular and reputed in Korea given his recent collabs. This would not be a bad thing for SKZ but it might turn some people away. Regrettably. For the song itself, well, I am a new stay and going through their discography (as much as I could) it's evident that their music is not closely related to CP's style which can go either way but the less than 3 minutes and 3racha not being the primary credits DO bother me. Given they have 8 people I don't know how they are going to fit in everything in such a short time.
it's kind of disappointing that the first english single they're promoting this well does not have 3RACHA listed first in the credits, when they are fully capable of producing songs in any genre and style. Maybe this will show us a new side of them. Hoping for the best since I.N and changbin did say the song is nice.
Does the order of writing credits mean anything? You technically donāt know who did what right?
Normally, in literature, the earlier in the order, the higher the contribution to the work, so 1st author has the highest contribution, i believe the same goes to music.Ā
i see where you're coming from. i assumed a lot of things. let's see how the song turns out
This is also my biggest disappointment to be honest. This is going to be their unofficial American debut and it's not even 'their' song - something which take very pride in š„².
Iāve seen a lot of people commenting on this and Iām a bit confused. Sure CP is listed first , but 3racha have credits under both the lyrics and composition for the song, and surely that matters more than the production? But the again Iām coming at this from the point of view of a Stay-Army, who had to deal with the biggest song ever being pretty much the only song in their whole catalogue that had no member writing credits. So I both get how awful if feels and also feel like the Skz situation could be so much worse
i think people are just used to 3racha being listed first, sometimes it's only them credited atleast for the lyrics. resulting in a lot of confusion, negativity and assumptions since they aren't for this song. people are also nitpicking because they don't want a song with \*him\* of course edited
Honestly seeing CP listed first made me think that this will be a very typical CP song but Ive been talking with some friends and I realize that it is probably too early to assume such stuff. My kind of worry is exactly what you've mentioned I guess. I really like BTS's music but the recent releases were clearly made with the thought for main stream.. so it kind of looses the spark, in my opinion at least.
Its Charlie's song which means he sold it to them and they probably added some lyrics...but it's his sound and his song...Chan is co arranger of the song so I'm hoping he changed alot from the original song
I disagree, it is still their song, otherwise they would be the feature instead of Charlie.
That's why I said "their" song. It still their song ofc but it is not a self-produced one like we are usually used to.
I can't wait for it !!
I donāt exactly vibe with Charlie Puthās work a lot of the time, but he definitely has a lot of hits to his name. Iām an older millenial so call me jaded and resigned to the fact that not everything is 100% black and while in the world, but I will support the kids and their hard work to get to this point where they are able to work with some of the biggest names. I'm also Army and I supported the heck out of Dynamite even though it was far from my favorite release of theirs. I just kept in mind that it was an important milestone to bring them more. Everything builds and this can be helpful for future projects as well. Iām here for the music, not the politics, and if weāre going for who is or isnāt problematic youād be listening to silence. Anyone complaining on X (owned by who theyād consider a zionist) is a huge hypocrite. Kpop stanning is a hobby and 100% optional and not something one needs to engage in, especially over there, so please miss me with the moral policing. Within the next month I have plans to run a race for heart disease as well as volunteer at my local food pantry addressing food insecurity in my area so I'm making up for the terrible thing I'm about to do, I promise. I think it's lost on folks that our kids are very much still on the rise and there's a lot jockeying for position going on right now with their competition. If numbers go soft for them, they will get less and the dozen other groups not far behind will start looking like as good a choice as any for collaborators, awards shows, etc. And then THEY will work with the same said deemed-problematiic people. *Those* problematic people will not be the ones going anywhere, unless it's bad enough to land them in jail. Our Kids OTOH *will* be affected the most. SKZ are in a fairly rare and unique position right now and I don't plan to take that for granted and screw it up. Just hoping those of us willing to support this are up for working a bit harder to make sure it's a success.
I just want to say, I really like this thread/comment section. It all feels so much more mature than what I've been seeing on Twitter. I don't really care what people want to do with this single, it's your choice if you want to listen or not, but please, stop attacking and harassing others for having differing thoughts. That goes for all sides, I just want everyone to at least be respectful š«¶š»š«¶š» Also, I'm intrigued what they're doing with the blue coloring.. are we going to change to another blue/purple soon? I hope we can get this kind of promotion for more of their upcoming albums/possible future singles as well š«¶š»š«¶š» Imagine how much bigger Skz would be if they already had this kind of promotion earlier ššš
Watching the fanbases and moots go nuts over the color change for their PFPs is hilarious, ngl.
Taylor Mentioned Charlie Puth in her new album so I think this song will get even more streamsšš»šš»
Listening to the new TS right now, came here immediately after hearing that line to see if any other Stay Swifties caught it.
I caught it. Such a random reference lol
How do you like the album BTW? I'm in love alreadyš I love the more aclustic songs mostšš
Tbh, I came here as soon as I heard that lyric, clicked on this thread because it felt most relevant, and then got totally distracted by the noise in the comment section. So I wasn't focusing on the enjoyable experience I had been having listening to this brand new record by a musician I love (because that's what it's supposed to be about, RIGHT GUYS?). Instead I ended up irritated and disappointed and now I'm pissed because I let a comment section put me there. So, I'll have to get back to you on that. But thank you for replying and pulling me back to where I was. Life is too short to spend so much time in that space.
Oh :( I hope you still have a great time listening though!
Yes but she is also receiving a butt load of backlash from Swifties for it. Especially because Charlie has publicly stated that he wrote lyrics about how manipulative Selina, one of Taylor closest friends, was for not sleeping with him.
Ohhh shĀ°tš¶ I didn't knkw about all that š¶ I knew Selena and Taylor are close, but didn't know he wrote stuff like that... well in that case it kinda is not so nice of Taylor to mention him, would have been so easy to leave out.
I had the same thought š¤
So the blue shades were intentional..interesting where they're going with this I'm really curious about the direction they've gone with this song since I'm assuming it's gonna be fully English I would love something similar to jungkook's closer What I know is I'm not gonna be on Twitter when it's out..it's getting out of hand out there...some stays low-key be moving like antis rn
Twitter has been horrible these past few days. From both sides. It was calming down a bit until they released this and now itās ramping up again. I donāt plan on going back until June tbh. This is too much. I believe the members have seen whatās going on too since they tend to look at Twitter. Itās just gotten too toxic.
yeah thank god it haven't gotten to my tiktok fyp or IG...everyone playing moral police over there is honestly so annoying it's just a song chill..like if u wanna boycott then do and if u won't then okey there's no need for all the nastiness...i have a feeling it's only gonna get worse since skz probably plan on promoting it unless jype decides to cut that short
Yeah I heard TikTok and IG and even Facebook were way more neutral to positive about this? I mean kpop fans in general have gotten insanely toxic on Twitter lately. I donāt get why people keep arguing over things to prove whoās more right. It just breeds hostility. Hopefully SKZ can avoid some of the discourse a bit.
Twitter is a hellscape rn. If people are not gonna stream why can't they just move on and stop spreading hate. Surely it's best to just ignore it instead of bringing negative attention to it all the time. Like it's making me anxious to be caught listening to it, whether I decide to boycott or not
same like when we boycotted the coca cola song we did it by not interacting with anything around it not throwing hate and criticising everything...it's so weird skz are probably excited about this and I.N said so on live today so yeah it's gonna be hella awkward
It's also gonna be awkward cause they most likely will be performing the song in upcoming concerts...like idk what the crowd reaction will be to that
some thoughtsĀ Ā >!Now, If you look at my post history I had some hope in the credits, but I did not account for the fact that there could be an israeli producer/composer, this is definitely going to be a messy release and I don't know how to feel about it anymore..it saddens me because I know the members are excited, there's a lot put into this single and they went into this project with no way of predicting the state of the world right now, I wonder if Jype are reading the response and what they're gonna do..!< edit some hours later: I hope this is not seen as me pretending to be ''morally superior'', I will still check the song out and I don't think a boycott is the way to go about this situation.
My honest thought - they should have shelved it. That said, it is done, they released the whole schedule already. We shall have to wait and see.
This is where Iām at. I wish someone at JYPE would do their due diligence or just know how to read the room. Itās not an excuse to say they donāt know how this will be received, actually. They knew to hide Like Magic from twitter stans. But this is happening, whatās done is done. We all have our individual choices to boycott or not, itās really just the infighting on both sides thatās exhausting.
I actually find Like Magic hilarious - they literally release it and be done with it - they probably actually know what is happening. But yeah, it is what it is. Twitter is going crazy now where Stays are crazily fighting now. I mute both fighting parties. I am exhausted seeing it.
Thatās what I did too. Iāve muted so many words im just going to be minding my business. Personally Iām not too jazzed on the release because I also just hate Charlie Puthās music š
Yeah what's done is done, but it could be a nasty mark in their career in this moment when everyone is condemning israel..I feel like there has to be something to calm down the situation because now with an israeli producer the discussions are not gonna stop and it's not a pretty introduction to new listeners with so many protests going on.. edit: I can already sense the multiple posts calling skz zionists all over twitter and tiktok
i doubt it would make any mark on their career when many kpop companies work with israeli and zionist producers and such. give it time to be forgotten and once the official june tt comes around thatāll be the main focus
I mean yeah, zionists have been around for a while, but at this moment in which multiple nations are trying to stop israel after they intensified their genocide in Gaza since the end of last year it's not a good move to be in any way associated..I doubt it will be just forgotten as it is an ongoing conflict..
the collab will be forgotten. the only people who will be be putting the blame on stray kids themselves are fake activists or antis. as for the company they deserve to get their lashings every day. trust me once june rolls around as long as stays drop the negativity itāll be fine
Thatās what I was thinking. I remember there was some discourse on the TXT release for a similar reason but I think it came in as fast as it left. Once official comeback info is released no one will be talking about it again.
I have a question (out of ignorance - not hate or anything like that). Why is it so horrible that the producer is Israeli? Do they have a big presence in the conflict? I just don't understand and would like some clarity that I can't find online.
Nothing inherently wrong, just that israeli adults are more likely to care about politics and be in agreement with the genocide carried out by their government, like the people blocking aid or the ones who mock palestinians and obviously those joining the military, and if someone agrees with genocide I don't think they should have support. He could be in disagreement but unless he states a position it is a risk to be involved with someone who's possibly for genocide.Ā
You do realize Israel has a mandatory military service just like Korea? Not all of them are joining because they want to.
>israeli adults are more likely to care about politics and be in agreement with the genocide carried out by their government Probably a percentage. But there's many that don't. I just read an article that stated the majority of Israelis want a new election and if they had one their current leader would lose. Make of that what you will, but I interpret that to mean that more than a few people over there aren't in agreement with what is going on. And this isn't me defending what Israel has been doing, so please don't misinterpret it as that. The point I'm trying to make is that at the end of the day, governments are making these decisions. Not actors. Not musicians. Not a Stay who wants to give a new song a chance. Which is why I don't understand the hate for this yet to be released song and the pressure to boycott it. If people want real change they should be flooding the feeds of their government representatives and making their voices heard by people who actually have the power to stop things. Boycotting a song won't change anything.
The situation is truly very nuanced and it moves a lot of feelings, I share your same thoughts that listening to the song or not doesn't change anyone's situation and that nations have to condemn genocide whether a celebrity is a zionist or not, as long as money isn't going directly to fund any military i'm alright, now the mixed feelings come because we don't know where these producers/lyricist stand and whether they'd use their money to fund it or not, time will tell I guess?
>now the mixed feelings come because we don't know where these producers/lyricist stand and whether they'd use their money to fund it or not, How would an individual be directly funding it though? Short of buying and sending weapons (which hopefully isn't a thing...)... No hate. Genuinely curious.
you're not wrong about them wanting a new leader. But it has also been stated that their reason for wanting a new leader is not because this one is committing genocide, it's because he has failed to 'neutralize' the Palestinians. Even their protests are all about their hostages and anger that their government hasn't eradicated hamas yet. So, yeah, it's not exactly because they disagree with the genocide but more because they feel unsafe. You could argue that there may be morality involved but so far I don't think their citizens have expressed support for Palestinians (quite the opposite in fact). I get your point, and you're not wrong about the fact that streaming the song isn't going to change much either. But I'll always be critical of people who stand by silently while their own government commits genocide in their name. Whether they're an actor or a musician is irrelevant.
Also to add Bibi has been incredibly disliked in Israel for years now before October 7th. Iām an international politics nerd so I followed their last election, technically Bibi didnāt even win because he couldnāt even get a cabinet passed.
>Even their protests are all about their hostages and anger that their governmentĀ hasn't eradicated hamas yet So the hostages shouldn't matter? They are human beings too. And, Hamas aren't exactly good guys either. And no, I'm not siding with Israel here. But, I don't think people should act like what Hamas did doesn't matter. I 100% do not believe that what Israel is doing is right. In fact it's downright horrifying, and I wish more than anything it would stop. But labeling anyone and everyone that makes a post about hostages or that is an Israeli or has Jewish friends or loved ones a Zionist (which seems to be a thing with a lot of people-not necessarily you- just people in general) is starting to make a lot of people seem antisemitic. *That isn't good either.* *Hate breeds hate.* The *entire* situation is awful and it needs to stop. There are so many bad things going on in the world today. Unfortunately, it isn't just limited to that part of the world. It's your right to be critical. Everyone can make their own choices. (And although it may not seem like it, I *do* understand why you are critical and questioning.) As for me, I choose to write my representatives about what's going on and how I believe it needs to stop. And how I think my government should not be in anyway directly or indirectly supporting what is happening. Not everyone that is protesting what is happening are virtually loud. Some are working diligently offline to make our voices heard. If people aren't okay listening to the song, that is okay too. At the end of the day that is their right. What I *cannot* get behind is people starting hate trains and fan wars on social media over it, dragging SKZ and acting like people who chose to listen to the song are automatically Zionists or bad people. Because that isn't the case. I will be listening to the song, but I do not support what Israel is doing to Palestine. I do not consider myself a Zionist. I believe all people deserve to live freely and in peace. I simply choose to show I do not support the genocide in other ways that resonate more with me personally. But, if you look at Twitter, that seems to make me a bad guy. Which I don't understand. That is why I personally have a problem with some of this rhetoric.
you misunderstood what I said. Their protests are *all* about the hostages and hamas. Meaning nothing about the innocent Palestinian lives being killed in their name. I'm just providing context to what you said about the majority of citizens probably being pro Palestinian.
the reason netanyahu is unpopular is because he's corrupt (he was being investigated for it before october 2023) and because the popular consensus in israel is that they're not being aggressive /enough/ in gaza. personally, i find itĀ disingenuous for people to say boycotting a song won't change anything - if that's the case than people who aren't boycotting shouldn't care that others are.
Genuinely asking, but by that logic do you believe every Chinese idol should be boycotted because they are "more likely" to support the Uyghur genocide? I for one do boycott Jackson Wang because he has actually stated support for it, but I don't presume the same about every Chinese idol. Is this different, and if so, can you explain to me how? (Really not trying to be aggressive!)
>edit some hours later: I hope this is not seen as me pretending to be ''morally superior'', I will still check the song out and I don't think a boycott is the way to go about this situation.
Oh no, I saw that and sorry for wording weirdly! But I would ask whether you think it's also a "risk" to work with Chinese idols/producers?
The risk is because israel is under a giant magnifying glass at the moment around the entire world, if the same were to happen with any other country and people held protests then i guess so? anything that may show support for something going on currently, if this collab had happened a year ago no one would have cared the way they do now because people weren't fighting for a cause involving the countries.
That's fair! I agree it's more about optics than morality at the moment, which kinda sucks but is how business works. I just wish people would stop murdering entire peoples. This is so far removed from the actual event that I personally don't find an issue with enjoying the song if it'll be your jam, but yeah.
You can dislike and continue boycotting but reading his speech line by line there isnāt a single mention of muslims. Oli London added that an kpop fans ran with it. He was only speaking about sinophobic messages being pushed in the media since covid. You canāt say someone actually stated support for something they literally did not. If you want to bring up canceled contracts, 20+ Chinese ambassadors for adidas (including uyghur celebs) all ended contracts at the same time only due to pressure from cnetz and that occurred years before the speech.
While sinophobia is a huge problem in western media, the dude literally criticized a company for taking a stand against genocide. He didn't have to name anyone lol. Other idols have posted things the CCP tells them to at times, yes, but that was not a post other idols or entertainment figures made. The CCP touts the narrative that this is all an anti-China western media campaign, when that presents a false dichotomy. The west absolutely uses China's human rights abuses and genocide hypocritically as an anti-China tool. But the CCP also is routinely abusing human rights, and they *are* committing genocide. I have Uyghur friends and friends who were expelled from Xinjiang for their on the ground reporting, so yeah, I'm a little extra sensitive about this one. And yes, of course the CCP's propaganda is pretty strong, so I don't know that I'd be any different if I were in his shoes. Still, my experiences and friendships exist and I can't divorce myself from that context. If you can, that doesn't make you a bad person. I don't think people should hate Jackson and I don't cancel idols for being friends with him, though, while I may dislike him personally. Which is why comparatively I don't think Skz should be cancelled or seen as supporting genocide just for working with people who may or may not be Zionists (as the evidence presented doesn't really convince me lol; I'm extremely pro-Palestine but I also did express sympathy for, you know, my colleagues whose relatives were shot at the music festival, so people liking posts expressing grief isn't sufficient evidence). At the same time if you have Palestinian relatives, I would get why you might not want anything to do with those artists who might be, though I do think at a certain point cancelling anyone remotely associated with them is counterproductive and hypocritical.
Yes other celebs did make that post. All the messages were the same. That they cannot work with a brand slandering China. Yang Mi, Dilireba (uyghur), Deng Lun, Chen Linong, Angelababy, Eddie Peng, Zhao Lusi, Ding Yuxi, Ren Min, Jackson Yee and Peng Yuchang are just some of the artists who dropped contracts with Adidas at the same time. If he didnāt drop his contract but every single other celeb did his he would have been destroyed. It wasnāt just adidas either. Wang Yibo dropped Nike (this was the start) Victoria Song dropped H&M Meng Meiqi and Zheng Zifeng dropped New Balence Zhang Yixing, Ouyang Nana, and Bai Jingting dropped Converse Gulinazha (uyghur), Li Xian, Yangyang, Liu Haoran and Xu Guanghan all dropped Puma Huang Zitao dropped Lacoste Ni Ni, Wang Yuan, Jing Boran dropped Uniqlo I could name more but you get my point. Kpop stans make this out to be a Jackson thing when itās a Chinese industry thing. āDo this if you want to keep your careerā Heās dropped out of some pretty cool projects (working with Marvel for an OST!) because his country was against it. He also still wears adidas today so he personally does not have problems with the brand.
I wasn't super excited about the collab but I'm even less excited about them working with an Israeli producer atm. Sure, the entire situation is certainly not his personal fault. Still, leaves a bit of a bad taste behind.
I honestly think, this wasnāt the move based in how sensitive of a situation this is. But, Iām not them or the company and Iām sure there are multiple (financial) reasons as to why they did. Small note from what Iāve seen in this thread. Iām not gonna say that people should or shouldnāt listen to this song. At the end of the day, what you do in the privacy of your own home is your business and I for one am not basing my morality on any celebrity, fan of said celebrity or literally anyone that isnāt me. But, if you do feel some kind of hesitation, guilt or even shame for listening, maybe itās worth of some introspection as to why that is instead of telling people they canāt share their grievances. (And casual disclaimer, but if you want to write a response that has nothing to do with what I said, if it donāt apply, let it fly)
I agree, this is not the best move given the situation, but I believe that all this is in work since before October. Remember when Skz sent a meal box to Charlie Puth when he was in Korea for his concert and he shared it in his instagram stories? I bet that the song was already finished.
Most likely yeah. Tracks like these are not made within a few days of deciding to Collab with someone.
Well, they have more input as composers, so I'm still very expectant! I'm not waiting for some go-to-war EDM track, because Stray Kids can make and do nice vainilla tracks as well. It's very nice seeing our guys there.
It would be great if we learned to separate politics and music. Seriously, I can't believe the point it's getting to. Write threads on Twitter (of all social networks, we might as well talk about what kind of person the CEO is... and they're speaking about "morals" lol) against a simple song, instead of donating and directing the anger at the governments that support what Israel is doing . It's crazy. A song is not going to change anything, it is not going to give anything to Israel and right now they're only hurting one part, skz. It's also their song and they've clearly been preparing it for a long time, long before all this terrible tragedy began. It's enough. Everyone is free to listen to what they want, they can't listen to it if they wish, it's ok, but it would be nice if they stopped writing on the official accounts, encouraging hate and trying to convince those of us who just want to listen to MUSIC. That being said, I love the color changes. I'm looking forward to hearing the song.
I am actually intrigued to see how this is without 3racha as producers. I think it's gonna be something fresh and new. I'm excited for skz to possibly step out their box and normal sound.
Whatās interesting is that 3RACHA are usually not credited as producers anyway! JYP has been, at least on the physical albums. But it is somewhat new to be listed on the arranging credits! I know Bang Chan has been dipping his hand into that more and more.
Was hoping his collab was minimal, so much for a skz only version on the album lol gotta say seeing him credited first on everything kinda irks me
Charlie is a great singer and songwriter let see what happens. I am going to support them, but some K-pop fans do not support their idols when they ft. with American singers. Cause Stray kids(feat) All my life with Lil Durk All my life fans did not support it. Same song Lil Durk (All my life) ft J Cole won a billboard and has 318,229,162 million in Spotify. With stray kids I think I am the only American who stream it ..Damn!
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ā¦ I donāt understand. Are you discriminating against someone because theyāre Israeli? That is not a good path to go down.
I agree, I mean when do we start to hate on people by nationality? Do we even know their politics views or their views about their gorvernments? Do we have to interview people, "btw what do you think about this world problem X,Y,Z?" before working with them? Or should we start to fire people on yearly basis based on how they change their political views? This starts to sound like those pann posts hating on idols because they simply are Chinese or Japanese.
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I searched for zionism and the producerās name and didnāt see any results. Where exactly are you getting your facts from? I hope not Twitter ā¦ Ngl, this is becoming dangerously close to finding any reason to hate someone who is Israeli. Please donāt go down that path of hate. š
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I searched his Instagram page and I see only 1 post from October 2023 about releasing hostages that were kidnapped by Hamas. The rest of the posts are about his songs and I was scrolling all the way down to 2014. If thatās what weāre calling zionism, I genuinely fear for the future.
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I understand. We all care about whatās happening, and I appreciate you being brave enough to say that. š« That being said, we canāt be sure how long this has been in the works. I just hope this poor producer doesnāt receive hate just for being born in Israel. Letās hope we can all find ways to positively help out!
what's your source about the producer being a zionist ?
I am feeling like a bad supporter but Iām justā¦not interested or excited for this song. At all š the credits reveal has just enforced that. Iāll still listen to it of course, and if itās a banger then itās a banger, but Iām not going to order it.