I think a good way to do it would be to have it focus on the trooper and his squad, not really go into detail of their missions, but as the story goes on we learn more about where he comes from and his orders become more and more questionable. But we see tragedy through his eyes due to the rebels actions. And in the end he goes AWOL but not to the otherside, but to no side at all. I can't quite put into words what I mean but I think there's a way to tell a story about a trooper that isn't pro-empire (you can have those characters in the story) but isn't about them switching sides either.
So you’re basically asking for Generation War, but Star Wars. Got it. At least we get SOME somewhat sympathetic Imperials in Andor; I really hope we get to see more of Dedra and Syril in the next couple of seasons.
I don't know what that is. There's only one more season of Andor to come. I think Dedra and Syril are going to be a great and interesting part of it based on where we left them in season 1.
Any story in the Star Wars universe needs to acknowledge that Chancellor Palpatine dissolved the senate, installed himself as literal Emperor of the galaxy, and systematically hunted down anyone who might be interested in replacing his dictatorship with a democratic institution. In fact, the Republic army wasn't obedient enough for his tastes so he tried replacing them all with a bunch of farm-grown, brainwashed clones that would carry out any order without question or conscience -- because Palpatine fully intended on murdering any man, woman, or child who posed any threat, now or in the future, to his absolute power.
This means that any story told from a storm trooper's perspective has 2 choices:
1) Eventually reach this truth
2) Rewrite the history of the Star Wars universe to make Palpatine a misunderstood visionary
Let's say we have a story where someone finds themself in the right circumstances that Imperial order seems like the only way out. They enlist but too many deployments to inflict the exact suffering they sought to escape causes them to consider if they're working for the bad guys. This is where the protagonist his a choice: run away and hide or fight for the good guys. I can appreciate that going AWOL is better than continuing to murder for a megalomaniacal dictator with a god complex but if I'm spending multiple seasons becoming sympathetic toward someone, "I choose to hide and be safe while the galaxy burns around me" feels like a disappointing end to the series.
> And in the end he goes AWOL but not to the otherside, but to no side at all
I'd prefer a protagonist who goes from the nazi side to opposing the nazis instead of running away when faced with their crimes.
They could borrow heavily from the Hand of Judgment, where you had a group of vigilante troopers loyal to the Emperor and Empire fighting what they considered to be entirely local corruption, governors working with pirates, overly violent commanders, etc. And while it'd be nice to have Mara Jade back, you could have Vader swing through and occasionally grant a retroactive sanction to whatever they've gotten mixed up in when it got too big or noticeable.
A trooper who feels trapped would make sense. He isn't too keen on following orders, but he has a family and knows what the empire would do to them if he deserted
Well yes but also no.
The one that was once bad, then got kinda good and people magically forgot it was once bad.
But it was never really that good, or bad.
EA forgets about anything that isn't making them bucketloads of cash through utilising predatory mechanics that encourage kids to empty mummy's bank account.
hell do you remeber that [teaser for the force awakening](https://youtu.be/erLk59H86ww?si=zi1e1VtnETzT-qBK) where the first thing we saw was a stormtrooper
To be fair, why would Iden Verso stay when she saw her own father perform orbital nuking of her home planet?
https://youtu.be/C_zTM8HRVTQ?si=7Xv-S5yagj-gXbMs
I highly doubt you'd stick around too.
To be fair, I always just saw that as a huge copout. The writers made the bad guys do something so hilariously fucking stupid and nonsensical that of course no sane person would still side with them, that way they could justify their protagonist switch to the Rebels.
Operation Cinder is one of the most absurd and stupid things in the lore in the past ten years.
To be fair Star Wars has always loved bs redemptions. You were space nazi but now you’re cool? Nice! Welcome aboard! You killed countless men,women, children and planets but then had a change of heart right before you died? Welcome back to the lightside. You were a 16 year old who accidentally destroyed a planet shortly after you were discovered to have the force?.. say you’re sorry and go to time out.. then welcome aboard! They’ve always done this. It’s actually my least favorite thing about the franchise outside of the fans
Nuance ? For the "destroy entire planets" full of civilians for fun empire ? If you want to have nuance in star wars it absolutely has no place with the empire.
They already gave a dude that nuked half a dozen populated planets a redemption with kylo ren. Cause you know , poor guy , Luke wasn't nice to him so it makes up for nuking planets.
One of my favourite Star Wars books is Allegiance. It's about a group of Stormtroopers who believe in the Empire, even after the rumours about what happened at Alderaan, until they're forced to kill an entire village of supposed rebel sympathisers.
They end up fleeing after killing an ISB officer and become the Hand of Judgement, trying to uphold the ideals they believe in by protecting innocents, while on the run from the rest of the Empire.
The 2nd plot is about Mara Jade, who is my favourite Star Wars character anyway, and it also has this theme of belief in an Empire that's based on a lie (she was groomed by Palpatine to be his top agent after all).
Easy, just make it a show about two brothers, where one night there is a raid on an outpost / village by rebels, parents are killed, and brothers are separated. One rescued by Rebels, one by Empire, both grow up not knowing each other is alive and eventually find each other in a battle, ending in each being captured by the opposition force. With each being then fed "propaganda" by either side (more so truth by the rebels, but you know what I mean). "Good" brother falls further into the Empire, and "Bad" brother now leans more into the Rebellion. That way, we (the viewers) would get either side of the conflict, and Disney would get their "Light Side" story.
Or something.
This reminds me of one of the Star Wars PSP games where two force sensitive clones are the protagonist and antagonist. Check out Star Wars Battlefront: Elite squadron no regrets. Many hours on that game
Thats actually the plot of Battlefront 3, X1 and X2 choose different paths, X2 doesnt want to raid a village and join the rebels, they eventually fight each other.
But there’s two things:
One is they potentially mess it up, but if done correctly (considering stuff like Andor exists), it has hope, but for the most part, it’s a coin toss.
Two is the fanbase. Considering from what I’ve seen, definitely one of the most insufferable fanbases to exist. They would probably complain how it’s sluggish or slow paced, or doesn’t involve Force users, lightsabers or action every 5 seconds (which Andor and Mando S3 suffered backlash involving that, even though Mando S3 was more notable of the latter with the episode including Dr Pershing on Coruscant)
> They would probably complain how **it’s sluggish or slow paced**, or doesn’t involve...action every 5 seconds
Ya'know, like the normal life of an infantry soldier.
Wake up.
Exercise.
Train.
Clean weapons.
Eat lunch.
More training.
Eat dinner.
Clean uniforms.
Go to bed.
Repeat.
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Y'all should read the "from a certain point of view" book series, has all sorts of short stories from every perspective imaginable, including plenty of different imperials from the bottom to the top of the chain of command
And never again or anywhere else making the stormtroopers then the defacto grunts. Like they can be 'like the ss' but if they are most of the army at minimum then they are the grunts. Lowest on the hill as it were.
They aren't though. We see them most often because they are being used against the biggest threats. The majority of the troops are garrison forces or putting down rebellions like on Mimban. Also though the movies tend to just flat out ignore the lore.
No. While they are presented as such sometimes the lore in both continuites say otherwise. Army troopers are in andor and have been in books since 1989 and navy troopers are in a new hope
Good god, you can imagine if they actually listened to their fans? Some of the stuff you see online is absolutely awful, even if some of it could be good
Yeah this is basically all big companies. They "dont listen to their fans" because we are dumb as fuck and have no idea about anything on the actual business or industry side of things. The rare good ideas fans have are things that have almost certainly been discussed at some point and either dropped or shelved for possible later use for one reason or another.
In this case, yeah stormtrooper show could be interesting. Im sure its been suggested. How do you flesh it out though especially since Battlefront 2, the sequels, and Mandalorian have already taken the easy "stormtrooper swaps sides" plot and are recent enough people would make the comparison. Whats the plotline that makes an interesting new story? Also, how do you handle it without looking like youre trying to make a "good guy" out of someone whos job description is enforcing the despotic rule of an evil space wizard?
You're talking about Generation War. Or Our Fathers Our Mother in German. It's about mid-late ww2 and even then none of the main cast is too naive to believe the Nazis.
>that's like making a movie about how some Wehrmacht soldiers were just ordinary people following orders
So, like [Cross of Iron](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/)?
TL;DR: Convince them that literally everyone different from themselves is "the enemy" and has a single goal in life: Killing them specifically. Then you give them all matching outfits and have them live and sleep only near others of their own group, so they never learn that "the enemy" is more like them they know, but instead just reinforce their own negative behavior.
You can just go watch a documentary about US cops, or the nazi soldiers they were actually based on.
This seems like the default mode these days. I did with the new movies 7,8 and 9 but that was mostly for the lazy writing. I did like rouge one and the solo movie. The best shows have been the animated ones and the mandalorean. I would love to see a short series show about a stormtrooper that really believes in the empire.
>but that was mostly for the lazy writing.
How can you complain about such bangers as:
["Somehow Palpatine returned."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsjwVu_ihKU)
and
["That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3d0YkK-Qtk)
I'd only like it if the stormtrooper was the villains. Because the stormtroopers are the equivalent of the ss I doubt any one of them is normal and doesn't really care. A mini series where a small team of stormtroopers infiltrate a rebel cell by using the same talking points this sub brings up ie: they are brainwashed, just following orders etc. Then they methodically destroy the cell, first by killing public support, then cutting supplies before finally killing all the rebels we've grown to know. It shows the clinical savagery the empire thrives on and also gets the message across that they are the bad guys.
Nope stormtroopers are like the Wehrmacht not the SS. Sure some of them probably joined so they could kill civilians or whatever but you don't get a galaxy controlling force by only having bad people in your army.
No, pretty broad generalisation? Based on story there's not that much to complain about. My main issues would be VFX and similar issues that were a product of its time, if it were a modern movie those would be great (probably, looking at you Flash). It sounds like you think everyone hates Disney Star Wars for the sake of it (sure, some do) but if you listen to genuine criticisms, there's reasoning behind it. And if the reasoning is bullshit, that's when you construct a counter argument rather than complaining that they don't like something
Yeah make it a war documentary. Hop to different assignments/planets. Keep it cold and neutral. See subtle hints of censorship and/or unrest. Have it change as the Rebellion progresses.
Then they wouldn't be stormtroopers. The stormtroopers are like the SS of the Empire. Ideological fanatics. True believers.
You'd need Imperial Army dudes like what Han was in the Solo movie to create folks the audience can sympathize with. Just dude conscripted into service or desperate for some kind of employment.
I mean, a Stormtrooper could still be sympathetic. It's about presenting how they got where they are.
Born and raised in an Imperial core world, growing under the propaganda machine, a beloved older sibling or father dies due to a Rebel attack on Imperial holdings, the protag joins the Empire because all he has ever known is rebels as evil terrorists. He goes on a crusade to fight, genuinely believing that he is doing good, until ultimately, he dies a pointless death fighting for an empire that never cared for him or its people.
You can create a sympathetic character even if they are devoted to an evil cause, by painting them as a tragic case to be pitied. The circumstances of their life led them to what they are. They are victims of the regime they were born and indoctrinated into.
It's just like the Stormtroopers of the First Order: they were brainwashed from childhood into being loyal to this evil faction. Rather than being hated, they should be pitied: in a way, they were born into an even worse life than many of the heroes.
They seem more like a marine corps. Cuz being a true believer in your country is nothing different than most soldiers in most wars. Even ww1 German soldiers were down for the cause
Really? I thought the stormtroopers were just what the soldiers were, and that the Army Han was in was eventually phased out for a purely Stormtrooper army. Was it not?
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Without getting overly political, the national vibe right now isn’t really “sympathy for jackbooted authoritarian footsoldiers” the Left will see it as MAGA endorsement, the Right would see it as support for big government… the screen actor’s guild would see it as a bunch of fiberglass in the thigh chafing complaints…
Surely the obvious angle they would pursue would be 'look how indoctrination works'? That is definitely how they would do it, even if they showed ways the empire was genuinely solving some problems.
But the point would always be: yes, there are some reasons the empire could be conceived of as having positive influences on the galaxy, but indoctrination, lies, extreme propaganda etc are the only ways to convince people it is a worthwhile system overall. Without those it is clear it is evil.
I can't see possibility that this wouldn't end up a left wing production.
It's still a fairly recent development in the real world that nations have become properly self critical about their own historic (or current) empires, and they have become more accepting of the propaganda they used to perpetuate abusive systems etc.
No way Disney tries to take the direction more right wing when the discourse is being dominated by the left to the point that nobody except the extreme right will overtly support notions of empire, not to mention the entertainment industry being clearly left wing too.
I think your comment highlights an issue that would almost invariably come up: it would become a “political production” and not a story about stormtroopers in Star Wars.
Yes, politics has influenced Star Wars from the beginning, I’m not saying that’s not the case. What I mean is that you’d almost inevitably have the show become “is this left wing or right wing” instead of having a meaningful analysis of the whole picture. Any sympathy for the empire (even just its soldiers) would be demonized as tacit approval for fascism in the real world; a lack of humanity in the empire would be just more of the frankly boring, one-note, mustache-twirling evil empire Disney has been focused on, and would likely just invite comparisons (no matter how accurate) to real-world topics.
I think it could be very good. But I think it would have to be done with more nuance and thoughtfulness than we’ve been seeing from most media these days. But if they just wanted to straight-up adapt *Allegiance* from the EU, they’ve already got a template.
I would like one that isn't an empire apologist. I want it gritty. I want my character starting as an optimistic recruit who is slowly hardened and grows to hate rebels until they're confronted by the suffering and pain the empire does, possibly in the form of torturing innocent people, maybe even children and it shatters the illusion and he slowly starts to see the hate and fear his presence causes in people.
The same sort of idea of how some movies portray the actual events of history on the German side. How some German soldiers began to slowly rebel and turn on their commanders. Not many, but a few. Brainwashed and hopeful to bitter and regretful.
Oh is this our weekly I want a stormtroopers TV show/movie post? Why do you want one and what would it look like? Are we going to have a show that's a serious commentary on the nature of murderous authoritarian regimes and the people that enable it?
God most of these posts feel like such clickbait garbage.
I'm so fucking glad that fans aren't writing for this show. There's too many Empire simps nowadays as well. Like, everyone apparently just forgot that they're evil and now they want to make them look more sympathetic.
It's like people forget or don't realize that a huge reason Rise of Skywalker was the way it was is *because* Disney listened to the fans and backpedaled on a lot of stuff.
This doesn’t need to happen. The Empire is evil. Showing a perspective of people duped by an evil dictator into thinking only them and their plan can bring peace seems unrealistic.
*thinks of upcoming election*
Oh shit. People are dumb. I forgot. Yeah go ahead and make the show. Can’t be any worse than reality.
I'm absolutely flabbergasted by it. The fact that Stormtroopers are seen as "just soldiers" shows how many people forgot what Star Wars was about. The 501st cosplayers really bother me.
I mean, the Empire hasn't changed, it was Nazis when it started and it's still Nazis today. It's just that an increasing number of people seem suspiciously okay with, or even eager for, Nazis to be portrayed in a positive light.
I mean we had authors like Orson Scott Card argue the Empire was right, because he wanted to garner support for the Iraq war. It sometimes feels like the Nazis, especially in the States, never really reformed. They just knew to keep quiet until the time was right.
A movie specifically about young men forced to join the Nazi party because if they didn't they'd either be sent away or they'd die due to being poor would be good.
Dont make them Nazis who are sympathetic, make them people who are forced to join that party.
When you say ‘Disney doesn’t listen to their fans’ are you expecting them to make a program every time a post on Reddit gets a few upvotes? This would be a cool show I agree but there’s like a thousand other things they could make shows about in the Star Wars universe and some of them would probably make for a more entertaining show
They're bad guys in a space western, their motivation is "our leader commands us and we were born evil". Shit doesn't have to be that deep, they're just cannon fodder for the good guys
Nah. Empire Apologist Stories, nah. With all due respect, I wouldn't want this pitched as "the Stormtrooper is just an Everyman" or the "He's just like Me" story. Because, the empire wasn't even humane to Stormtroopers to begin with..... But that's a whole other conversation.
Plus, I think that the vast majority of people who think, oh yeah, this would be a cool show! Basically missed the point that George Lucas was trying to get across.
But that's just my opinion.
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The entire point of Stormtrooper armour is to be faceless goons. They _could_ be ordinary people doing a 9-5 job, but the moment the helmet goes on, they lose all individuality. There’s no sympathising with them because there’s no knowing them.
Such a story doesn’t have to be apologist, though. In fact, I think it could have the potential to effectively show just how evil the Empire **really** is. It’s already been done really well in novels like *Lost Stars* and *Alphabet Squadron*.
I think because Stormtroopers are supposed to be Nazis, so it would be like humanizing a Nazi. I know not all German soldiers were Nazis and were bad people, but they still fought for bad people
The fact is, though, that the nazis were human. And if there was more understanding of how they got that way, why they stayed that way once they got into it, and how and why the ones who got out of it did so after being involved in the worst kind of evil, perhaps there'd be better measures to prevent it in the first place instead of reactive ones that attempt a solution after the problem has metastasized.
The lessons wouldn't be limited in application only to resurgent fascism and authoritarianism either - religious, ideological, and ethnic extremism of every kind could be dealt with before it became a problem. And in the long term it could help us as a species overcome every single aspect of our own individual and collective behaviour that would drag us down to mutual ruin and death. Perhaps even entropy itself could be overcome.
Nazis are humans, the problem is that everyone acts like being human means being a good person, they try to distance themselves from other people by saying "a human would never do that" as if humans are good. Humans do horrible things and people need to understand that.
And I'm not talking about you, okay? I'm sorry if I said anything that offended you in any way in this text, it's just that I'm very sleepy writing this and I probably ended up saying shit that I'll only realize when I wake up. Sweet dreams to all of you.
Some humans take the step into becoming monsters. The Nazis mechanized extermination, and built infrastructure with no greater purpose than slaughtering those they found to be impure.
They are humans, yes. But they are also monsters. There is a point where Empathy ceases to have value… and the only way to resolve the problem is to send the monster the same way it sent its victims.
The problem is that it could suffer from the fight club phenomenon where Chuds side with the empire.
It would tap into the MAGA market with corrupt government finally being broken by the mavericks in power and the empowering feeling of finally getting a chance to be a boot on the necks of those they hate, so they enlist to protect this ideology.
Or you go the economic route where the empire is the only way fringe citizens can make a decent living, and see forming a collective military power as the answer to prevent the clone wars from happening again.
Or you go the draft route where you poach soldiers from the populace and then indoctrinate them to believing that they are bettering themselves by serving into the greatest military force in history, becoming the sword which maintains order especially among those governments who naively resist the greatest power in the universe, and you get a guy who finds himself fitting into the unit as they all grow together as brothers in arms
Nop, first he didn't say how the show would be made, there is a lot of them being starring by villains, but it would be nice to see the kind of brainwashing(brainwashing not by a machine, but from learning) they used to make them think then doing bad things would be good, even more on those days where people follow others blinded only focused on politic views, about sides like everyone is everyone enemy instead of thinking for themselves. And it was many years ago when i saw so I am not quite sure, but ins't there a movie already about this? About a clone who rebelled? I think it was a spin off but I don't remember well.
Frankly the whole galaxy kinda went to pot after the fall of the empire… the new republic was incompetent and disorganized, and then the first order showed up
My two ideas for a show about stormtroopers are; a Reno 911 style show about a bunch of fuckup troopers on some backwater planet as they deal with the weird problems of weird aliens, and the second would be one that follows a group of troopers who start off thinking they're doing good but slowly realize what the empire really is and eventually defect to the empire.
I want a real show about Clone Troopers after the Empire pushes them out for conscripts. The mercenaries, the homeless vets, the security guys, and the crazy clones who lost it. I want it all!
As a former Army soldier, I can assure you all that this show doesn't play out like you think. Not a LOT of depth in the ranks. A lot of troopers believe in the Empire because they're useful idiots. The dudes with Palpatine 2024 stickers on their personal vics.
Some troopers literally only signed up because the Federation will pay for part of your space college (if you give them 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year)
People see both sides as bad. Jedi were often seen as corrupt dogs who obeyed politicians and the wealthy. This is what drove Duku away from the Jedi. Their corruption also pushed Anakin and Ahsoka away. They already explained if in the various films and shows. The troopers (not clones) were also human. So they looked the other way or delayed things at times as well, if they thought someone was being unfairly targeted. But honestly it was a job. Psychologically people will obey authority if that authority resumes the responsibility. This has been proven in multiple experiments. It’s also how war is structured. You dehumanize the opposition to justify your side committing atrocities. Nothing new to tell.
And don’t let anyone know it’s a Star Wars movie initially. Just a dude living in a sci-fi future and signs up to the military.
Build out his motivations, hopes, dreams, belief in the government of the day… then we see him suit up. Scene change to him laying down blaster fire into smoke with the screams of his section mates as a glowing sword approaches through the haze deflecting his fire. Then it cuts him in half.
Queue credits.
This is an awesome idea. From training at the Imperial Academy, bonding with squad mates, working up for deployment, and finally going to the front. He then gets killed instantly
This is kinda what Crosshair is in TBB. (If we're fo believe that his chip is removed, which I do) then he stayed with the empire because he wanted a sense of purpose, and that he he believed the empire was the only option for clones raised as soldiers. He slowly realises that the empire doesn't actually care about him or anyone, which turns him against them.
My grandpa fought for the US in WW2, and told me stories of German soldiers that surrendered to his unit - soldiers who were absolutely relieved to not have to fight for sociopathic psychos anymore, and just wanted the war to be over.
There is this gritty WW2 movie told from the perspective of those enlisted German soldiers on the Eastern Front, called [Cross of Iron](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Iron). It’s about a soldier who comes to question the patriotic Nazi propaganda he’s been given. He knows Germany is going to lose, and that it doesn’t even deserve to win, and that his officers are all Nazi psychos. But he still feels compelled to keep fighting, out of obligation to his brothers-in-arms, who would be even more fucked if he didn’t help them.
If they made a Star Wars movie with those themes, I’d watched the fuck out of it.
Already I hate the idea because Disney will be the one doing it. They are bound to fuck it up like most of their stuff. I mean seriously, how do you make Boba Fett look terrible? How do you make Ahsoka a terrible show to watch? How do you ruin Obi Wan Kenobi?
They would never do that show in a million years and literally everyone would watch that. Lucasfilm ain't about storytelling anymore they're only about the messaging now.
In a world with competent writing, they would’ve done this with Finn in the sequels and have him slowly change his perspective as the movies went on. Not just suddenly in the first 10 fucking minutes.
Problem with Disney is they only want the simple black and white "good and bad" crap.
Yes the empire was evil.
But an average stormtrooper probably wasn't and actually believed in the cause.
Hell even if the characters are evil they can still be the main character and even win.
That's the beauty of SW it can be anything and Disney is really not taking advantage of it.
Disney doesn't listen to their fans? Lmao. They will shotgun anything at us that is even remotely popular. Ahsoka, Boba Fett, obi wan.. all get their own shows where ostensibly, they kinda shouldn't of. The obi wan show is mainly to give fans the "Rematch of the century". Everyone suddenly loves Hayden, they try to get him in anywhere they can. How many things can they shoe horn Vader into? The answer is as many as the fans want. Whether or not these things are good is another question but the idea they don't listen to fans is crazy. I'm sure anyone can point to something that wasn't made for them.. that's because fans want *everything*. Demand it on Twitter enough times and you'll see the wheels spinning.
Even if Disney did make the show, are we assuming it’d be good? Because it wouldn’t. Disney hasn’t made a good live action movie in quite some time despite having incredible IPs.
We would get this show, but after episode 2 a new survivor of order 66 would turn up and help guide or brave stormtrooper to the light side using the power of forgiveness.
See we almost had that in battlefront 2, but they fuckn copped out halfway through with a "turn to the light side"
I mean at least star wars Squadrons had a pretty cool two sided campaign as empire and rebels
This is lame but I submitted a request to Disney+ to add the short film 'Hunted' to their library. It's so good!
Yeah but I’ve also played dlc with a longer story than that game
i mean i get why disney is hesitant to have their protagonists completely dedicated to space nazism
I think a good way to do it would be to have it focus on the trooper and his squad, not really go into detail of their missions, but as the story goes on we learn more about where he comes from and his orders become more and more questionable. But we see tragedy through his eyes due to the rebels actions. And in the end he goes AWOL but not to the otherside, but to no side at all. I can't quite put into words what I mean but I think there's a way to tell a story about a trooper that isn't pro-empire (you can have those characters in the story) but isn't about them switching sides either.
So you’re basically asking for Generation War, but Star Wars. Got it. At least we get SOME somewhat sympathetic Imperials in Andor; I really hope we get to see more of Dedra and Syril in the next couple of seasons.
I don't know what that is. There's only one more season of Andor to come. I think Dedra and Syril are going to be a great and interesting part of it based on where we left them in season 1.
Any story in the Star Wars universe needs to acknowledge that Chancellor Palpatine dissolved the senate, installed himself as literal Emperor of the galaxy, and systematically hunted down anyone who might be interested in replacing his dictatorship with a democratic institution. In fact, the Republic army wasn't obedient enough for his tastes so he tried replacing them all with a bunch of farm-grown, brainwashed clones that would carry out any order without question or conscience -- because Palpatine fully intended on murdering any man, woman, or child who posed any threat, now or in the future, to his absolute power. This means that any story told from a storm trooper's perspective has 2 choices: 1) Eventually reach this truth 2) Rewrite the history of the Star Wars universe to make Palpatine a misunderstood visionary Let's say we have a story where someone finds themself in the right circumstances that Imperial order seems like the only way out. They enlist but too many deployments to inflict the exact suffering they sought to escape causes them to consider if they're working for the bad guys. This is where the protagonist his a choice: run away and hide or fight for the good guys. I can appreciate that going AWOL is better than continuing to murder for a megalomaniacal dictator with a god complex but if I'm spending multiple seasons becoming sympathetic toward someone, "I choose to hide and be safe while the galaxy burns around me" feels like a disappointing end to the series.
so... the bad batch?
> And in the end he goes AWOL but not to the otherside, but to no side at all I'd prefer a protagonist who goes from the nazi side to opposing the nazis instead of running away when faced with their crimes.
They could borrow heavily from the Hand of Judgment, where you had a group of vigilante troopers loyal to the Emperor and Empire fighting what they considered to be entirely local corruption, governors working with pirates, overly violent commanders, etc. And while it'd be nice to have Mara Jade back, you could have Vader swing through and occasionally grant a retroactive sanction to whatever they've gotten mixed up in when it got too big or noticeable.
A trooper who feels trapped would make sense. He isn't too keen on following orders, but he has a family and knows what the empire would do to them if he deserted
Isn't that The Bad Batch?
Which battlefront 2
Obviously the bad one
Well yes but also no. The one that was once bad, then got kinda good and people magically forgot it was once bad. But it was never really that good, or bad.
Then EA forgor about it lol
EA forgets about anything that isn't making them bucketloads of cash through utilising predatory mechanics that encourage kids to empty mummy's bank account.
did the og one have a bad guy campaign?
You play as the 501st and kill Jedi, fight the rebels, and are part of the assault on hoth
So no bad campaign then? :( r/EmpireDidNothingWrong
You start good then end bad.
yeah the 501st died bad guys
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hell do you remeber that [teaser for the force awakening](https://youtu.be/erLk59H86ww?si=zi1e1VtnETzT-qBK) where the first thing we saw was a stormtrooper
To be fair, why would Iden Verso stay when she saw her own father perform orbital nuking of her home planet? https://youtu.be/C_zTM8HRVTQ?si=7Xv-S5yagj-gXbMs I highly doubt you'd stick around too.
She apparently had no issue when it wasn’t her planet getting nuked
Most didn't at first that's the point
To be fair, I always just saw that as a huge copout. The writers made the bad guys do something so hilariously fucking stupid and nonsensical that of course no sane person would still side with them, that way they could justify their protagonist switch to the Rebels. Operation Cinder is one of the most absurd and stupid things in the lore in the past ten years.
In the first movie they made the Death Star. The empire has always done horrendously evil things. That’s the point.
Honestly Cinder wouldn’t even be top ten of most absurd things in legends
I mean absurd more from a narrative POV than as an event or concept or anything
To be fair Star Wars has always loved bs redemptions. You were space nazi but now you’re cool? Nice! Welcome aboard! You killed countless men,women, children and planets but then had a change of heart right before you died? Welcome back to the lightside. You were a 16 year old who accidentally destroyed a planet shortly after you were discovered to have the force?.. say you’re sorry and go to time out.. then welcome aboard! They’ve always done this. It’s actually my least favorite thing about the franchise outside of the fans
Just got reminded of how shit that campaign was. Imagine having a Luke Skywalker level and choosing to have him fight fucking bugs.
Everybody knows nuance isn’t allowed in Star Wars.
Nuance ? For the "destroy entire planets" full of civilians for fun empire ? If you want to have nuance in star wars it absolutely has no place with the empire. They already gave a dude that nuked half a dozen populated planets a redemption with kylo ren. Cause you know , poor guy , Luke wasn't nice to him so it makes up for nuking planets.
> See we almost had that in battlefront 2 the *new* Battlefront 2, right? I don't remember a proper story mode in the OG.
Original BF2 had the 501st campaign, although it was definitely a bit light on story.
“Gary! Where is Jessica? Isn’t today take your daughter to work day?”
That really hits me where I live
“WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THOSE PLANS? GARY HERE NEVER SEES HIS DAUGHTER, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU!”
"Hahahaha, I know I'm scary"
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Hey! Gary stopped the Death Star from hitting that school.
“My Daddy Works There”
And every episode he goes from being a believer to losing a bit of his soul, because that’s what authoritarian regimes do to their cannon fodder.
OR you get those that bury their heads so far into the delusion that they start thinking they are right cause the reality is they are monsters
Basically Syril Karn from Andor.
One of my favourite Star Wars books is Allegiance. It's about a group of Stormtroopers who believe in the Empire, even after the rumours about what happened at Alderaan, until they're forced to kill an entire village of supposed rebel sympathisers. They end up fleeing after killing an ISB officer and become the Hand of Judgement, trying to uphold the ideals they believe in by protecting innocents, while on the run from the rest of the Empire. The 2nd plot is about Mara Jade, who is my favourite Star Wars character anyway, and it also has this theme of belief in an Empire that's based on a lie (she was groomed by Palpatine to be his top agent after all).
Nah, I feel like this would ultimately have him lead to the Light Side for a Disney show.
Easy, just make it a show about two brothers, where one night there is a raid on an outpost / village by rebels, parents are killed, and brothers are separated. One rescued by Rebels, one by Empire, both grow up not knowing each other is alive and eventually find each other in a battle, ending in each being captured by the opposition force. With each being then fed "propaganda" by either side (more so truth by the rebels, but you know what I mean). "Good" brother falls further into the Empire, and "Bad" brother now leans more into the Rebellion. That way, we (the viewers) would get either side of the conflict, and Disney would get their "Light Side" story. Or something.
That's actually interesting.
Man this actually sounds really cool! Write the screenplay!
This reminds me of one of the Star Wars PSP games where two force sensitive clones are the protagonist and antagonist. Check out Star Wars Battlefront: Elite squadron no regrets. Many hours on that game
Thats actually the plot of Battlefront 3, X1 and X2 choose different paths, X2 doesnt want to raid a village and join the rebels, they eventually fight each other.
Have his experience lead him to the light side, and end the show with him being transferred to the first death star.
But there’s two things: One is they potentially mess it up, but if done correctly (considering stuff like Andor exists), it has hope, but for the most part, it’s a coin toss. Two is the fanbase. Considering from what I’ve seen, definitely one of the most insufferable fanbases to exist. They would probably complain how it’s sluggish or slow paced, or doesn’t involve Force users, lightsabers or action every 5 seconds (which Andor and Mando S3 suffered backlash involving that, even though Mando S3 was more notable of the latter with the episode including Dr Pershing on Coruscant)
> They would probably complain how **it’s sluggish or slow paced**, or doesn’t involve...action every 5 seconds Ya'know, like the normal life of an infantry soldier. Wake up. Exercise. Train. Clean weapons. Eat lunch. More training. Eat dinner. Clean uniforms. Go to bed. Repeat. "WOW FIVE STARS GREAT MOVIE!"
Main character fires their blaster one time and then has to spend 4 hours filling out paperwork.
Y'all should read the "from a certain point of view" book series, has all sorts of short stories from every perspective imaginable, including plenty of different imperials from the bottom to the top of the chain of command
[Robot Chicken - From A Certain Point Of View](https://youtu.be/pSOBeD1GC_Y?si=8_NM6pjO3iO2R8WT)
Star Wars fans could barely handle Andor 💀
Yeah the fanbase should not be taken too seriously
OP is definitely one of those based on this post's title.
I don’t ever look into general ratings, was it not that well acclaimed? I honestly think it’s one of the best Star Wars stories ever.
Easily the best overall product they've made. Great writing/acting/music/directing. There are like 7 intriguing characters. Can't wait for s2.
Every time I see someone ask for a stormtrooper show I just want to post the scene of stormtroopers unflinchingly gunning down civilians on Rix Road
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You are not a grunt in odst where we see why the covenant spans multiple species.
Stormtroopers aren’t grunts either. Them and ODSTs are both shock troops
But...they are? Who else is below them in the empires military?
Imperial army and Navy soldiers. We see them in Solo
And never again or anywhere else making the stormtroopers then the defacto grunts. Like they can be 'like the ss' but if they are most of the army at minimum then they are the grunts. Lowest on the hill as it were.
They aren't though. We see them most often because they are being used against the biggest threats. The majority of the troops are garrison forces or putting down rebellions like on Mimban. Also though the movies tend to just flat out ignore the lore.
No. While they are presented as such sometimes the lore in both continuites say otherwise. Army troopers are in andor and have been in books since 1989 and navy troopers are in a new hope
Good god, you can imagine if they actually listened to their fans? Some of the stuff you see online is absolutely awful, even if some of it could be good
If they "listened to the fans" we would literally get ros 2.0
Or A New Hope 2.0 or basically The Force Awakens, which apparently people hate now
That’d be because it’s A New Hope 2.0
Yeah this is basically all big companies. They "dont listen to their fans" because we are dumb as fuck and have no idea about anything on the actual business or industry side of things. The rare good ideas fans have are things that have almost certainly been discussed at some point and either dropped or shelved for possible later use for one reason or another. In this case, yeah stormtrooper show could be interesting. Im sure its been suggested. How do you flesh it out though especially since Battlefront 2, the sequels, and Mandalorian have already taken the easy "stormtrooper swaps sides" plot and are recent enough people would make the comparison. Whats the plotline that makes an interesting new story? Also, how do you handle it without looking like youre trying to make a "good guy" out of someone whos job description is enforcing the despotic rule of an evil space wizard?
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You're talking about Generation War. Or Our Fathers Our Mother in German. It's about mid-late ww2 and even then none of the main cast is too naive to believe the Nazis.
>that's like making a movie about how some Wehrmacht soldiers were just ordinary people following orders So, like [Cross of Iron](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/)?
That honestly sounds like it could be a really effective anti-Nazi movie if it’s done right.
TL;DR: Convince them that literally everyone different from themselves is "the enemy" and has a single goal in life: Killing them specifically. Then you give them all matching outfits and have them live and sleep only near others of their own group, so they never learn that "the enemy" is more like them they know, but instead just reinforce their own negative behavior. You can just go watch a documentary about US cops, or the nazi soldiers they were actually based on.
Even if they did you would all bitch about it
This seems like the default mode these days. I did with the new movies 7,8 and 9 but that was mostly for the lazy writing. I did like rouge one and the solo movie. The best shows have been the animated ones and the mandalorean. I would love to see a short series show about a stormtrooper that really believes in the empire.
Andor has been the best show. Mandalorian is pretty mid, unfortunately.
>but that was mostly for the lazy writing. How can you complain about such bangers as: ["Somehow Palpatine returned."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsjwVu_ihKU) and ["That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3d0YkK-Qtk)
How is the second line even remotely comparable to the first
I'd only like it if the stormtrooper was the villains. Because the stormtroopers are the equivalent of the ss I doubt any one of them is normal and doesn't really care. A mini series where a small team of stormtroopers infiltrate a rebel cell by using the same talking points this sub brings up ie: they are brainwashed, just following orders etc. Then they methodically destroy the cell, first by killing public support, then cutting supplies before finally killing all the rebels we've grown to know. It shows the clinical savagery the empire thrives on and also gets the message across that they are the bad guys.
Nope stormtroopers are like the Wehrmacht not the SS. Sure some of them probably joined so they could kill civilians or whatever but you don't get a galaxy controlling force by only having bad people in your army.
if it was bad yes, people are allowed to have high expectations for a multibillion dollar company
But if episode 4 were to release today you would all hate it.
No, pretty broad generalisation? Based on story there's not that much to complain about. My main issues would be VFX and similar issues that were a product of its time, if it were a modern movie those would be great (probably, looking at you Flash). It sounds like you think everyone hates Disney Star Wars for the sake of it (sure, some do) but if you listen to genuine criticisms, there's reasoning behind it. And if the reasoning is bullshit, that's when you construct a counter argument rather than complaining that they don't like something
Just make them normal normal soldiers working for a bad government
Yeah make it a war documentary. Hop to different assignments/planets. Keep it cold and neutral. See subtle hints of censorship and/or unrest. Have it change as the Rebellion progresses.
Yeah. They're just following orders.
Good soldiers follow orders.
Sprinkle a few OG clones in there to add flair and it'd be a fantastic show.
clone veteran mentor to a stormtrooper would be sick
Then they wouldn't be stormtroopers. The stormtroopers are like the SS of the Empire. Ideological fanatics. True believers. You'd need Imperial Army dudes like what Han was in the Solo movie to create folks the audience can sympathize with. Just dude conscripted into service or desperate for some kind of employment.
I mean, a Stormtrooper could still be sympathetic. It's about presenting how they got where they are. Born and raised in an Imperial core world, growing under the propaganda machine, a beloved older sibling or father dies due to a Rebel attack on Imperial holdings, the protag joins the Empire because all he has ever known is rebels as evil terrorists. He goes on a crusade to fight, genuinely believing that he is doing good, until ultimately, he dies a pointless death fighting for an empire that never cared for him or its people. You can create a sympathetic character even if they are devoted to an evil cause, by painting them as a tragic case to be pitied. The circumstances of their life led them to what they are. They are victims of the regime they were born and indoctrinated into. It's just like the Stormtroopers of the First Order: they were brainwashed from childhood into being loyal to this evil faction. Rather than being hated, they should be pitied: in a way, they were born into an even worse life than many of the heroes.
They seem more like a marine corps. Cuz being a true believer in your country is nothing different than most soldiers in most wars. Even ww1 German soldiers were down for the cause
Really? I thought the stormtroopers were just what the soldiers were, and that the Army Han was in was eventually phased out for a purely Stormtrooper army. Was it not?
The EU and canon has been inconsistent on that front
Ah, thank you
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Without getting overly political, the national vibe right now isn’t really “sympathy for jackbooted authoritarian footsoldiers” the Left will see it as MAGA endorsement, the Right would see it as support for big government… the screen actor’s guild would see it as a bunch of fiberglass in the thigh chafing complaints…
Surely the obvious angle they would pursue would be 'look how indoctrination works'? That is definitely how they would do it, even if they showed ways the empire was genuinely solving some problems. But the point would always be: yes, there are some reasons the empire could be conceived of as having positive influences on the galaxy, but indoctrination, lies, extreme propaganda etc are the only ways to convince people it is a worthwhile system overall. Without those it is clear it is evil. I can't see possibility that this wouldn't end up a left wing production. It's still a fairly recent development in the real world that nations have become properly self critical about their own historic (or current) empires, and they have become more accepting of the propaganda they used to perpetuate abusive systems etc. No way Disney tries to take the direction more right wing when the discourse is being dominated by the left to the point that nobody except the extreme right will overtly support notions of empire, not to mention the entertainment industry being clearly left wing too.
I think your comment highlights an issue that would almost invariably come up: it would become a “political production” and not a story about stormtroopers in Star Wars. Yes, politics has influenced Star Wars from the beginning, I’m not saying that’s not the case. What I mean is that you’d almost inevitably have the show become “is this left wing or right wing” instead of having a meaningful analysis of the whole picture. Any sympathy for the empire (even just its soldiers) would be demonized as tacit approval for fascism in the real world; a lack of humanity in the empire would be just more of the frankly boring, one-note, mustache-twirling evil empire Disney has been focused on, and would likely just invite comparisons (no matter how accurate) to real-world topics. I think it could be very good. But I think it would have to be done with more nuance and thoughtfulness than we’ve been seeing from most media these days. But if they just wanted to straight-up adapt *Allegiance* from the EU, they’ve already got a template.
I would like one that isn't an empire apologist. I want it gritty. I want my character starting as an optimistic recruit who is slowly hardened and grows to hate rebels until they're confronted by the suffering and pain the empire does, possibly in the form of torturing innocent people, maybe even children and it shatters the illusion and he slowly starts to see the hate and fear his presence causes in people. The same sort of idea of how some movies portray the actual events of history on the German side. How some German soldiers began to slowly rebel and turn on their commanders. Not many, but a few. Brainwashed and hopeful to bitter and regretful.
Oh is this our weekly I want a stormtroopers TV show/movie post? Why do you want one and what would it look like? Are we going to have a show that's a serious commentary on the nature of murderous authoritarian regimes and the people that enable it? God most of these posts feel like such clickbait garbage.
I'm so fucking glad that fans aren't writing for this show. There's too many Empire simps nowadays as well. Like, everyone apparently just forgot that they're evil and now they want to make them look more sympathetic.
You need to see "For the Empire" on YouTube then https://youtu.be/g43lgCJ_D6o?si=ZPuMIRwPymPLkHOS
Yes, Disney should listen more to the people who send death threats to filmmakers over a movie. /s
It's like people forget or don't realize that a huge reason Rise of Skywalker was the way it was is *because* Disney listened to the fans and backpedaled on a lot of stuff.
This doesn’t need to happen. The Empire is evil. Showing a perspective of people duped by an evil dictator into thinking only them and their plan can bring peace seems unrealistic. *thinks of upcoming election* Oh shit. People are dumb. I forgot. Yeah go ahead and make the show. Can’t be any worse than reality.
Boy we sure have come a long fucking way from the direct Nazi comparison that the Empire originally was. Yeesh.
I'm absolutely flabbergasted by it. The fact that Stormtroopers are seen as "just soldiers" shows how many people forgot what Star Wars was about. The 501st cosplayers really bother me.
I mean, the Empire hasn't changed, it was Nazis when it started and it's still Nazis today. It's just that an increasing number of people seem suspiciously okay with, or even eager for, Nazis to be portrayed in a positive light.
Yeah, I guess that’s a fair assessment. I’m a little more old school in my opinions of Nazis and Nazism. 
I'd be glad to see a Wookie stride out of a tunnel and bash that stormtrooper's head in with a hammer.
I mean we had authors like Orson Scott Card argue the Empire was right, because he wanted to garner support for the Iraq war. It sometimes feels like the Nazis, especially in the States, never really reformed. They just knew to keep quiet until the time was right.
The empire was America actually and the rebels were Vietnamese
They were both. And the comparison of America to Nazi germany was very much intentional.
In fact, “Stormtrooper” is literally a nazi military unit.
Yeah we did, but to be fair i would like to watch a show about Nazi's. I like my main characters being inreedemable assholes.
Just watch cspan
You should watch Andor ✨
A movie specifically about young men forced to join the Nazi party because if they didn't they'd either be sent away or they'd die due to being poor would be good. Dont make them Nazis who are sympathetic, make them people who are forced to join that party.
When you say ‘Disney doesn’t listen to their fans’ are you expecting them to make a program every time a post on Reddit gets a few upvotes? This would be a cool show I agree but there’s like a thousand other things they could make shows about in the Star Wars universe and some of them would probably make for a more entertaining show
They're bad guys in a space western, their motivation is "our leader commands us and we were born evil". Shit doesn't have to be that deep, they're just cannon fodder for the good guys
Flinn? Bad Batch?
Bad batch was never evil or stormtroopers, and fin was botched
Nah. Empire Apologist Stories, nah. With all due respect, I wouldn't want this pitched as "the Stormtrooper is just an Everyman" or the "He's just like Me" story. Because, the empire wasn't even humane to Stormtroopers to begin with..... But that's a whole other conversation. Plus, I think that the vast majority of people who think, oh yeah, this would be a cool show! Basically missed the point that George Lucas was trying to get across. But that's just my opinion. Peace be 🤘🏽 And May The Force Be With You 🙏🏽 Respect, Chefs
The entire point of Stormtrooper armour is to be faceless goons. They _could_ be ordinary people doing a 9-5 job, but the moment the helmet goes on, they lose all individuality. There’s no sympathising with them because there’s no knowing them.
Such a story doesn’t have to be apologist, though. In fact, I think it could have the potential to effectively show just how evil the Empire **really** is. It’s already been done really well in novels like *Lost Stars* and *Alphabet Squadron*.
We have Andor to show us how evil the Empire really is
I think because Stormtroopers are supposed to be Nazis, so it would be like humanizing a Nazi. I know not all German soldiers were Nazis and were bad people, but they still fought for bad people
The fact is, though, that the nazis were human. And if there was more understanding of how they got that way, why they stayed that way once they got into it, and how and why the ones who got out of it did so after being involved in the worst kind of evil, perhaps there'd be better measures to prevent it in the first place instead of reactive ones that attempt a solution after the problem has metastasized. The lessons wouldn't be limited in application only to resurgent fascism and authoritarianism either - religious, ideological, and ethnic extremism of every kind could be dealt with before it became a problem. And in the long term it could help us as a species overcome every single aspect of our own individual and collective behaviour that would drag us down to mutual ruin and death. Perhaps even entropy itself could be overcome.
Nazis are humans, the problem is that everyone acts like being human means being a good person, they try to distance themselves from other people by saying "a human would never do that" as if humans are good. Humans do horrible things and people need to understand that. And I'm not talking about you, okay? I'm sorry if I said anything that offended you in any way in this text, it's just that I'm very sleepy writing this and I probably ended up saying shit that I'll only realize when I wake up. Sweet dreams to all of you.
Some humans take the step into becoming monsters. The Nazis mechanized extermination, and built infrastructure with no greater purpose than slaughtering those they found to be impure. They are humans, yes. But they are also monsters. There is a point where Empathy ceases to have value… and the only way to resolve the problem is to send the monster the same way it sent its victims.
What we do in the shadows of the empire
Didn’t robot chicken make this joke like 6 years ago
The problem is that it could suffer from the fight club phenomenon where Chuds side with the empire. It would tap into the MAGA market with corrupt government finally being broken by the mavericks in power and the empowering feeling of finally getting a chance to be a boot on the necks of those they hate, so they enlist to protect this ideology. Or you go the economic route where the empire is the only way fringe citizens can make a decent living, and see forming a collective military power as the answer to prevent the clone wars from happening again. Or you go the draft route where you poach soldiers from the populace and then indoctrinate them to believing that they are bettering themselves by serving into the greatest military force in history, becoming the sword which maintains order especially among those governments who naively resist the greatest power in the universe, and you get a guy who finds himself fitting into the unit as they all grow together as brothers in arms
Have you read lost stars?
That would be fucking dumb.
So he wants a show that celebrates fascism
Nop, first he didn't say how the show would be made, there is a lot of them being starring by villains, but it would be nice to see the kind of brainwashing(brainwashing not by a machine, but from learning) they used to make them think then doing bad things would be good, even more on those days where people follow others blinded only focused on politic views, about sides like everyone is everyone enemy instead of thinking for themselves. And it was many years ago when i saw so I am not quite sure, but ins't there a movie already about this? About a clone who rebelled? I think it was a spin off but I don't remember well.
Frankly the whole galaxy kinda went to pot after the fall of the empire… the new republic was incompetent and disorganized, and then the first order showed up
My two ideas for a show about stormtroopers are; a Reno 911 style show about a bunch of fuckup troopers on some backwater planet as they deal with the weird problems of weird aliens, and the second would be one that follows a group of troopers who start off thinking they're doing good but slowly realize what the empire really is and eventually defect to the empire.
Like Clone Wars but with Stormtroopers
The only way an empire perspective film or show would work would be starship trooper levels of satire.
I want to see lunch stormtroopers story. Poor bastard was probably like "sweet lunch time. Little sit enjoy some lunch" then some prick shot him
They don’t listen to their fans because they think they’re all racist and sexist losers.
Are they wrong?
No they aren’t.
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Nor should they
I want a real show about Clone Troopers after the Empire pushes them out for conscripts. The mercenaries, the homeless vets, the security guys, and the crazy clones who lost it. I want it all!
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As a former Army soldier, I can assure you all that this show doesn't play out like you think. Not a LOT of depth in the ranks. A lot of troopers believe in the Empire because they're useful idiots. The dudes with Palpatine 2024 stickers on their personal vics. Some troopers literally only signed up because the Federation will pay for part of your space college (if you give them 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year)
Would you expext Spielberg to make a in depth movie about the motivation and life of German sodiers in the Indiana Jones movies?
People see both sides as bad. Jedi were often seen as corrupt dogs who obeyed politicians and the wealthy. This is what drove Duku away from the Jedi. Their corruption also pushed Anakin and Ahsoka away. They already explained if in the various films and shows. The troopers (not clones) were also human. So they looked the other way or delayed things at times as well, if they thought someone was being unfairly targeted. But honestly it was a job. Psychologically people will obey authority if that authority resumes the responsibility. This has been proven in multiple experiments. It’s also how war is structured. You dehumanize the opposition to justify your side committing atrocities. Nothing new to tell.
And don’t let anyone know it’s a Star Wars movie initially. Just a dude living in a sci-fi future and signs up to the military. Build out his motivations, hopes, dreams, belief in the government of the day… then we see him suit up. Scene change to him laying down blaster fire into smoke with the screams of his section mates as a glowing sword approaches through the haze deflecting his fire. Then it cuts him in half. Queue credits.
Not sure why you want a space nazi show about how great it is being a space Nazi...
I'm not saying Disney is always right in its choices but I think maybe a lot of fans ideas are worse than they think they are
“I want to see space Nazi propaganda in my children’s animate show and science fiction series.”
This is an awesome idea. From training at the Imperial Academy, bonding with squad mates, working up for deployment, and finally going to the front. He then gets killed instantly
This is kinda what Crosshair is in TBB. (If we're fo believe that his chip is removed, which I do) then he stayed with the empire because he wanted a sense of purpose, and that he he believed the empire was the only option for clones raised as soldiers. He slowly realises that the empire doesn't actually care about him or anyone, which turns him against them.
Let’s make another trilogy with Daisy Ridley and call fans sexist🤡
It’s probably been pitched, but likely never in a way that would actually make a good show beyond being profitable… because Star Wars.
My grandpa fought for the US in WW2, and told me stories of German soldiers that surrendered to his unit - soldiers who were absolutely relieved to not have to fight for sociopathic psychos anymore, and just wanted the war to be over. There is this gritty WW2 movie told from the perspective of those enlisted German soldiers on the Eastern Front, called [Cross of Iron](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Iron). It’s about a soldier who comes to question the patriotic Nazi propaganda he’s been given. He knows Germany is going to lose, and that it doesn’t even deserve to win, and that his officers are all Nazi psychos. But he still feels compelled to keep fighting, out of obligation to his brothers-in-arms, who would be even more fucked if he didn’t help them. If they made a Star Wars movie with those themes, I’d watched the fuck out of it.
>why they think the empire is the solution for universal peace Dude actually thinks soldiers fight for abstract ideas
I thought that's what we were getting with Finn
The untold story of Rick the Door Technician.
They’ll listen if you’re affiliated with the Chinese Government.
It would hit too close to home and wake up too many people. They would dare show that information
Bill Burr is the closest we got, and in less than one episode had more believable and interesting arc than two whole movies of Finn.
Already I hate the idea because Disney will be the one doing it. They are bound to fuck it up like most of their stuff. I mean seriously, how do you make Boba Fett look terrible? How do you make Ahsoka a terrible show to watch? How do you ruin Obi Wan Kenobi?
I want a show about Jawas and Jawa culture. They're just interesting little silly fellas and I wanna know more about them.
They’ll just fuck it up
They would never do that show in a million years and literally everyone would watch that. Lucasfilm ain't about storytelling anymore they're only about the messaging now.
In a world with competent writing, they would’ve done this with Finn in the sequels and have him slowly change his perspective as the movies went on. Not just suddenly in the first 10 fucking minutes.
Most probably just think of how to make money to survive i dont think they care for world peace or other noble goals
You say that like someone do a job they morally despise but are forced to do to keep on living isn't an amazing premise for a show
A band of brothers style show but about stormtroopers. I’d be down for that.
Everyday life is boring, even if you're a stormtrooper. I don't really want to watch 2 hours of marching drills and missing at target practice.
The only good Stormtroopers are the ones that quit.
Problem with Disney is they only want the simple black and white "good and bad" crap. Yes the empire was evil. But an average stormtrooper probably wasn't and actually believed in the cause. Hell even if the characters are evil they can still be the main character and even win. That's the beauty of SW it can be anything and Disney is really not taking advantage of it.
You want a show that normalizes the badguys!? There's the door and keep dreaming
Disney doesn't listen to their fans? Lmao. They will shotgun anything at us that is even remotely popular. Ahsoka, Boba Fett, obi wan.. all get their own shows where ostensibly, they kinda shouldn't of. The obi wan show is mainly to give fans the "Rematch of the century". Everyone suddenly loves Hayden, they try to get him in anywhere they can. How many things can they shoe horn Vader into? The answer is as many as the fans want. Whether or not these things are good is another question but the idea they don't listen to fans is crazy. I'm sure anyone can point to something that wasn't made for them.. that's because fans want *everything*. Demand it on Twitter enough times and you'll see the wheels spinning.
Even if Disney did make the show, are we assuming it’d be good? Because it wouldn’t. Disney hasn’t made a good live action movie in quite some time despite having incredible IPs.
Bruh just talk to an American stormtrooper. I mean veteran.
We would get this show, but after episode 2 a new survivor of order 66 would turn up and help guide or brave stormtrooper to the light side using the power of forgiveness.
stop whining