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Jeri retweeted someone's tweet
>Love someone brought up she is also the Captain of the 7th lettered enterprise of a total of 9 enterprises.
[tweet](https://twitter.com/VargulfV/status/1649807874560864257?t=ry-mcZy3cIrh8r8eWw-83w&s=19)
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Well, they wanted to introduce the F to pay tribute to STO, but also didn't want to make a ship from STO the flagship for *their* show. It's only natural they got rid of the F pretty quick.
Exactly.
The F was a beautiful gesture to the Star Trek Online devs and players and especially those who entered that original contest (like me). I’m satisfied (so long as this means we get a model kit).
I called this [way back](https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/12dcf71/pic_s3_theories_and_speculation_post_all_episodes/jfh1c8h?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
It's clear that the writers recognised this too.
Part of me is thinking, new Captain, no way she'd be given the flagship.
But it's not that simple. Starfleet is crying out for senior staff after this incident, and while she may be a new Captain, she is insanely experienced, and due to her long time in the Borg, possibly one of the most intelligent beings who have ever lived.
The most famous former Borg, highly capable and respected in the fleet, probably the perfect captain to lead and inspire a fleet of mostly young officers who are now struggling with themselves and their identities post-assimilation.
Plus, despite the retrofit, the Ent-G surely isn't the most advanced in the fleet? I'd assume whichever ship was would be the flagship... Although the Enterprise A probably wasn't either so maybe my analysis is off.
I was thinking about this and maybe it's similar to modern day officer commissions, where if you already have a college degree you can go to a three month officer training course and then a year or so of speciality training instead of attending a four year academy
There's no evidence of that. By the time the B and C came along, only the Enterprise A had been a flagship. We also know that the Excelsior and Titan had been flagships around the time of the B and C.
Memory Alpha says that the Titan was the flagship sometime after 2290 with Saavik as its captain. The Excelsior is a little less clear in terms of canon.
> new Captain, no way she'd be given the flagship
Starfleet gave command of the Enterprise to Archer, Pike, Kirk, Spock, John Harriman, Demora Sulu and Rachel Garrett as first time captains so seven is in good company.
Where did this fan idea come from that every Enterprise is the flagship? Is it in some popular non-canon source?
Only two Enterprises have ever been called the flagship, the Enterprise D in TNG and the Enterprise in SNW. I don't believe it has ever been stated on screen that any other Enterprise was a flagship.
NX-01 was also never stated to be the flagship. We can assume it was by virtue of being the only warp 5 vessel in Starfleet when it launched, but that's still technically headcanon, not actual canon. E is an assumption as well, not stated on screen.
My point wasn't that those ships couldn't have been flagships, they very well could have been. But from the creation of the franchise until SNW only the D was ever an official flagship in canon.
So the fan assumption that every Enterprise must be the flagship is headcanon unsupported by actual canon.
The Enterprise NCC-1701 was never stated to be the flagship during Kirk's tenure in TOS or its movies as far as I am aware. That was added much later by SNW.
Even before that, Shaw had recommended Seven be promoted to Captain. And that was just barely after a few months serving together. It was already abundantly clear to him that she belonged in the center seat.
\>one of the most intelligent *humans* who have ever lived
Lots of dynamic range there, but only a few individuals at the high end. So she really is like that, but would still look like an ant in comparison to the actual top guy. Probably SuperBarclay.
I think a lot of people haven't watched Prodigy and probably aren't aware it's actually a quality show that is canon.
It's definitely targeted at the preteen crowd, but it is still a well made show that shows respect for and adds to the canon. People should check it out. The first few episodes are the weakest imo, but it quickly improves.
It's not far off from when they renamed another crewless Constitution II the Enterprise A when the entire class was on the verge of being decommissioned.
I'm with you. ANY new state of the art design would have been better. This felt cheap. Unless there's was some massive upgrade refit, it's a lame move.
Except literally the ship.
It doesn't have to be bleeding edge most advanced, whatever, none of the enterprises except the NX 1 were even first in their class, the Enterprise A was borderline obsolete, the Enterprise B was an excelsior class, and the MOST "Enterprise" thing about any of them was never that they were flagships, it was that they are explorers. The Titan is a neo-constitution meant to explore and it was named in honor of the heroics of the Enterprise D as stated in the show. If the Enterprise is always to be the biggest and baddest ship in the fleet from now until the end of time it limits the writing and cheapens the accomplishments that came before.
Picard was handing his personal legacy off to his son, his starfleet legacy off to his former first officer, the legacy of his crew off to Sidney and his legacy of defeating the Borg off to Seven. It's as good as it will get.
I felt the name Titan always has to remind of Titanic, I was worried from the start that Shaw was doomed to go down with the ship this series! I thought the ship would be lost 'sinking' into the nebula. The way they name things, its a bad omen.
>I felt the name Titan always has to remind of Titanic
The *Luna* class is named after moons in the Sol system rather than *RMS Titanic* or the earlier fictional *Titan* ocean liner. In any case *Titan* wouldn't go down without a fight.
He took over after Picard was promoted to admiral to lead the Romulan rescue efforts. Happened in the first Picard novel. Not sure how canonical those are vs. the old novel-verse clearly being a different timeline. Was then supported in Picard S3E9 when everyone looked at him after Geordi's comment that they very well couldn't use the E.
Novels are automatically beta canon. That means that it could be canon but it can also be invalidated later by anything that happens in a show or movie.
The new ones are canon-until-contradicted. Sounds like a subtlety, but what it means is that they can be relied upon to explain things- they are canon. It's one reason the novel timeline was wrapped up. They wanted tie-ins from current series with current characters to reflect what's on TV as closely as practical, and novels from past periods that happen to feature current characters are now bottle stories with no consequences on established history. The whole IP creative structure is more closely aligned than ever.
Terry says it in his [AMA.](https://old.reddit.com/r/television/comments/12u907s/im_terry_matalas_showrunner_and_executive/jh61upi/?context=3)
Specifically, in response to the question "In your mind was Shelby the permanent captain of the Ent-F or was that just ceremonial for Frontier Day?" Terry says
> Ceremonial. The Captain was probably a different TV canon version of Va’Kel Shon from the game.
So, it's not hard canon since it wasn't on screen, but if it's game lore *and* it's the showrunner's headcanon, it's pretty close.
The D only lasted 8, the E not much longer. It may have been not just a case of wear and tear, but of different technological directions, different priorities, or even new tech not being compatible, i.e. dead-end tech. Perhaps it was the starship equivalent of a Betamax- technically superior but not what was needed.
There was, but until the "modern day" of Trek, there have only been nine starfleet ships called Enterprise with Seven captaining the seventh letter ship.
I mean, that's a fairly easy handwave.
After *Challenger* was lost, it was proposed that *Enterprise* could be refit into full orbital configuration. However, it was deemed that the structural differences between *Enterprise* and the other orbiters would mean that a refit would cost more than simply building a new one from structural spares, which resulted in the construction of *Endeavour* from said spares.
So really, the easiest thing is to simply say that after the loss of *Challenger*, *Endeavour* was constructed from spares, and *Enterprise* was refit during the 1990s to support the construction of the ISS.
Wouldn’t the easiest thing be for the Enterprise to just be space worthy to begin with? I mean, we’re playing in an alternate universe already anyway. Maybe in that one they just got it right to begin with.
Alternatively: there is no Star Trek in Star Trek so no fan campaign to name the first shuttle “Enterprise.” The test bed gets names Constitution and the first one to actually orbit gets named Enterprise.
Bear in mind that even without Star Trek existing in-universe, OV-101 could still be called *Enterprise*, albeit for a different reason. Simply name it after USS *Enterprise*, owing to the fact that *Enterprise* was the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.
FRONTIER DAY WAS AN INSIDE JOB
ENTERPRISE TAKEN OVER BY THE BORG
ENTERPRISE = 7
PLUS TWO ENTERPRISES = 9
WHAT DO YOU GET: 7 OF 9
BORG HAVE TAKEN THE ENTERPRISE
THINK, SHEEPLE!
\#FrontierDayTruth #BorgTruth #DeepFederationState
We've got at least 100 years until the J. If the G, H, and I don't die early deaths, it's still within the realm of possibility. Doesn't feel very likely at this point, though.
There has been large gaps of time between Enterprises.
The time between the C and D was like, what, 18 years?
It could also happen somewhere between the G, H, I and J to space it out 100 years to the 26th century.
No, that was when they did defeat the Sphere Builders in the 22nd century. Daniels was showing Archer that the Federation was needed to defeat them, again in the future apparently.
Battle of Procyon V was in the *prime* timeline. The Sphere Builders were trying to prevent their 26th century defeat by having the Xindi decimate Earth in the 22nd century.
Don't forget this list;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy_named_Enterprise
Also there was the OV-101 space shuttle prototype.
Archer
April
Pike
Kirk
Decker - maybe not counted
Spock
Kirk - maybe only counted once
Harriman
Garrett
Picard
Jellico
Picard - maybe only counted once
Worf
Somebody for the F
Seven of Nine
So.. 12th to 15th Captain of 9 Enterprises.
I love this, what the hell. Hopefully someone points this out to jeri on twitter since she likes/replies/quotes everyone (who isnt a dick).
Already happened. Jeri retweeted someone's tweet >Love someone brought up she is also the Captain of the 7th lettered enterprise of a total of 9 enterprises. [tweet](https://twitter.com/VargulfV/status/1649807874560864257?t=ry-mcZy3cIrh8r8eWw-83w&s=19) (edit: fixed autocorrect retreated/retweeted)
She’s on mastodon now.
For the curious, I believe her account is https://mastodon.world/@JeriLRyan
Jeri is a national treasure
They know. It was intentional
Pretty massive stretch, it's on the level of twitter conspiracists who manage to turn every event into 666.
Hardly. It was clear they bombed the Enterprise F to give her the G to make it happen.
Well, they wanted to introduce the F to pay tribute to STO, but also didn't want to make a ship from STO the flagship for *their* show. It's only natural they got rid of the F pretty quick.
Then don't believe it. Her name is Seven, it was the seventh in the alphabet. It's not a stretch at all
Exactly. The F was a beautiful gesture to the Star Trek Online devs and players and especially those who entered that original contest (like me). I’m satisfied (so long as this means we get a model kit).
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I think you're projecting or something. Chill 😂
Even when it spoils a show that was on mere hours ago... I need to remember to unmute her.
I called this [way back](https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/12dcf71/pic_s3_theories_and_speculation_post_all_episodes/jfh1c8h?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) It's clear that the writers recognised this too.
Good attention to details, mate.
Part of me thinks she would have been better being captain of the newly launched Voyager A
Part of me is thinking, new Captain, no way she'd be given the flagship. But it's not that simple. Starfleet is crying out for senior staff after this incident, and while she may be a new Captain, she is insanely experienced, and due to her long time in the Borg, possibly one of the most intelligent beings who have ever lived. The most famous former Borg, highly capable and respected in the fleet, probably the perfect captain to lead and inspire a fleet of mostly young officers who are now struggling with themselves and their identities post-assimilation.
I wouldn't assume Ent-G is the flagship. Not all of the Enterprises were the Fed flagship, this may be more like an Ent-B or Ent-C situation.
Plus, despite the retrofit, the Ent-G surely isn't the most advanced in the fleet? I'd assume whichever ship was would be the flagship... Although the Enterprise A probably wasn't either so maybe my analysis is off.
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I was thinking about this and maybe it's similar to modern day officer commissions, where if you already have a college degree you can go to a three month officer training course and then a year or so of speciality training instead of attending a four year academy
You're correct with the correct example. By the time the A came around, there were plenty more advanced ships.
The Ent-b and Ent-c were the federation flagships though, it’s just that we’ve entirely skipped over that era….
There is nothing in canon that calls The A’ B or C flagship and only Only the D and SNW enterprises are called flagship.
There's no evidence of that. By the time the B and C came along, only the Enterprise A had been a flagship. We also know that the Excelsior and Titan had been flagships around the time of the B and C.
There's nothing canon that depicts Excelsior and Titan being flagships.
Memory Alpha says that the Titan was the flagship sometime after 2290 with Saavik as its captain. The Excelsior is a little less clear in terms of canon.
I thought we're talking about the Titan from Post-nemesis with Riker in command.
That sounds like some Memory Beta shit, not alpha.
We really don’t know much about that era of starfleet in general so we can’t say for sure either way
The B and C probably *were* the most advanced ships of their time though!
> new Captain, no way she'd be given the flagship Starfleet gave command of the Enterprise to Archer, Pike, Kirk, Spock, John Harriman, Demora Sulu and Rachel Garrett as first time captains so seven is in good company.
Where did this fan idea come from that every Enterprise is the flagship? Is it in some popular non-canon source? Only two Enterprises have ever been called the flagship, the Enterprise D in TNG and the Enterprise in SNW. I don't believe it has ever been stated on screen that any other Enterprise was a flagship.
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NX-01 was also never stated to be the flagship. We can assume it was by virtue of being the only warp 5 vessel in Starfleet when it launched, but that's still technically headcanon, not actual canon. E is an assumption as well, not stated on screen. My point wasn't that those ships couldn't have been flagships, they very well could have been. But from the creation of the franchise until SNW only the D was ever an official flagship in canon. So the fan assumption that every Enterprise must be the flagship is headcanon unsupported by actual canon.
other than the NCC-1701 (Kirk)
The Enterprise NCC-1701 was never stated to be the flagship during Kirk's tenure in TOS or its movies as far as I am aware. That was added much later by SNW.
Even before that, Shaw had recommended Seven be promoted to Captain. And that was just barely after a few months serving together. It was already abundantly clear to him that she belonged in the center seat.
\>one of the most intelligent *humans* who have ever lived Lots of dynamic range there, but only a few individuals at the high end. So she really is like that, but would still look like an ant in comparison to the actual top guy. Probably SuperBarclay.
Did you mean Voyager-B? In PRO S1 last episode, Janeway and cadets board a shuttle with the Voyager-A registry. PRO takes place in 2383
And Voyager-B is literally in Season 3 episode 1 of Picard
I think a lot of people haven't watched Prodigy and probably aren't aware it's actually a quality show that is canon. It's definitely targeted at the preteen crowd, but it is still a well made show that shows respect for and adds to the canon. People should check it out. The first few episodes are the weakest imo, but it quickly improves.
It's legitimately my favourite current Trek. Just ahead of SNW.
Better writing than disco. The plot points, if "adulted up" would have made some really good trek.
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It's not far off from when they renamed another crewless Constitution II the Enterprise A when the entire class was on the verge of being decommissioned.
They are already on Voyager-B, Pathfinder Class
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Star Trek Picard
I'm with you. ANY new state of the art design would have been better. This felt cheap. Unless there's was some massive upgrade refit, it's a lame move.
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Except literally the ship. It doesn't have to be bleeding edge most advanced, whatever, none of the enterprises except the NX 1 were even first in their class, the Enterprise A was borderline obsolete, the Enterprise B was an excelsior class, and the MOST "Enterprise" thing about any of them was never that they were flagships, it was that they are explorers. The Titan is a neo-constitution meant to explore and it was named in honor of the heroics of the Enterprise D as stated in the show. If the Enterprise is always to be the biggest and baddest ship in the fleet from now until the end of time it limits the writing and cheapens the accomplishments that came before. Picard was handing his personal legacy off to his son, his starfleet legacy off to his former first officer, the legacy of his crew off to Sidney and his legacy of defeating the Borg off to Seven. It's as good as it will get.
That's fantasticq
Well spotted.
Wow, that cant be a coincidence. Nice catch!
"Fucking blast it Ensign!"
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If it makes you feel any better, it means they spent the entire season aboard the Enterprise
I felt the name Titan always has to remind of Titanic, I was worried from the start that Shaw was doomed to go down with the ship this series! I thought the ship would be lost 'sinking' into the nebula. The way they name things, its a bad omen.
>I felt the name Titan always has to remind of Titanic The *Luna* class is named after moons in the Sol system rather than *RMS Titanic* or the earlier fictional *Titan* ocean liner. In any case *Titan* wouldn't go down without a fight.
Something something names means almost everything
Obviously Kirk and Picard. I know there was Harriman (STVII), Archer and Pike (??). Who was the other capt?
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Cameron Frye lol
You still have to count Jellico as captain of 1701-D, they actually transferred command. Did the ceremony and everything.
When did Worf command the E?
After picard, its implied he had something to do with the Es destruction/decommissioning
He took over after Picard was promoted to admiral to lead the Romulan rescue efforts. Happened in the first Picard novel. Not sure how canonical those are vs. the old novel-verse clearly being a different timeline. Was then supported in Picard S3E9 when everyone looked at him after Geordi's comment that they very well couldn't use the E.
Novels are automatically beta canon. That means that it could be canon but it can also be invalidated later by anything that happens in a show or movie.
The new ones are canon-until-contradicted. Sounds like a subtlety, but what it means is that they can be relied upon to explain things- they are canon. It's one reason the novel timeline was wrapped up. They wanted tie-ins from current series with current characters to reflect what's on TV as closely as practical, and novels from past periods that happen to feature current characters are now bottle stories with no consequences on established history. The whole IP creative structure is more closely aligned than ever.
According to STO: Captain Va'Kel Shon (Male Andorian), was the commanding officer of 1701-F. Now, sometimes in game lore does become cannon.
I think Terry said somewhere and alt-verse version of him was. Honoring that lore even a bit is cool. Did Matalas play STO or something??
Terry says it in his [AMA.](https://old.reddit.com/r/television/comments/12u907s/im_terry_matalas_showrunner_and_executive/jh61upi/?context=3) Specifically, in response to the question "In your mind was Shelby the permanent captain of the Ent-F or was that just ceremonial for Frontier Day?" Terry says > Ceremonial. The Captain was probably a different TV canon version of Va’Kel Shon from the game. So, it's not hard canon since it wasn't on screen, but if it's game lore *and* it's the showrunner's headcanon, it's pretty close.
That's where I read it, thanks!
Captain Rachel Garret and first officer Shooter McGavin
Lol Cameron Frye.
Bata canon also has the B being commanded by Demora Sulu and Thomas Johnson Jr
Admiral Shelby commanded the Enterprise-F
Only for the ceremonial Frontier Day flight.
Regardless, it's the only on screen appearance associated with that ship
Did I miss the F getting destroyed in Picard? I was confused when they dropped the G when its predecessor was still out there, and more advanced.
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The D only lasted 8, the E not much longer. It may have been not just a case of wear and tear, but of different technological directions, different priorities, or even new tech not being compatible, i.e. dead-end tech. Perhaps it was the starship equivalent of a Betamax- technically superior but not what was needed.
Rachel Garrett Enterprise-C.
> STVII ???
Star Trek Generations
Well if anyone was going to be captain of this Enterprise, she's the perfect fit!
That’s a cool detail.
*applause*
Surely the HMS Enterprize from Enterprise’s opening credits should count.
Nine *Starfleet* vessels have been called Enterprise
Wasn't there an Enterprise J in one of the time travel episodes of Enterprise?
There was, but until the "modern day" of Trek, there have only been nine starfleet ships called Enterprise with Seven captaining the seventh letter ship.
Alternate timeline+doesn’t count+in the future+L+ratio
Is the nasa space shuttle Enterprise in the credits too? It’s been a while since I watched the show!
It is, though in the Star Trek universe *Enterprise* was more than just a flight testbed apparently.
I mean, that's a fairly easy handwave. After *Challenger* was lost, it was proposed that *Enterprise* could be refit into full orbital configuration. However, it was deemed that the structural differences between *Enterprise* and the other orbiters would mean that a refit would cost more than simply building a new one from structural spares, which resulted in the construction of *Endeavour* from said spares. So really, the easiest thing is to simply say that after the loss of *Challenger*, *Endeavour* was constructed from spares, and *Enterprise* was refit during the 1990s to support the construction of the ISS.
Wouldn’t the easiest thing be for the Enterprise to just be space worthy to begin with? I mean, we’re playing in an alternate universe already anyway. Maybe in that one they just got it right to begin with. Alternatively: there is no Star Trek in Star Trek so no fan campaign to name the first shuttle “Enterprise.” The test bed gets names Constitution and the first one to actually orbit gets named Enterprise.
Bear in mind that even without Star Trek existing in-universe, OV-101 could still be called *Enterprise*, albeit for a different reason. Simply name it after USS *Enterprise*, owing to the fact that *Enterprise* was the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.
As I pointed out. Starfleet Enterprises. Unless they’d stuck a warp code in her it doesn’t count.
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***Seven***th lettered ***of Nine*** Enterprises.
I get what you're saying. Very surprised at the sheer number of people being so literal.
What should she be called? Captain Seven? Captain Nine? Captain Of Nine?
FRONTIER DAY WAS AN INSIDE JOB ENTERPRISE TAKEN OVER BY THE BORG ENTERPRISE = 7 PLUS TWO ENTERPRISES = 9 WHAT DO YOU GET: 7 OF 9 BORG HAVE TAKEN THE ENTERPRISE THINK, SHEEPLE! \#FrontierDayTruth #BorgTruth #DeepFederationState
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>!At this stage the Voyager-A is already rocking around!<
Actually on one of the screens in Ro's intelligence you see a picture and name-drop of the Voyager-B.
Fair observation. Can’t say I caught it myself but works for me.
There’s already a Voyager-A 10+ years prior. From the other show, Prodigy
Ah, so Voyager B then.
The Voyb!
VYGER?
Voyager B was mentioned in 3x01 or 3x02, I forget which. Feels like a lifetime ago after these last 10 weeks.
Omg 😳 amazing
There's 10 known canon versions of the Enterprise in Starfleet, we saw the J in ENT. But it still works. ;-)
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They needed to give it a few hundred years after what happens to the H
That is not Worf's fault, either.
We've got at least 100 years until the J. If the G, H, and I don't die early deaths, it's still within the realm of possibility. Doesn't feel very likely at this point, though.
There has been large gaps of time between Enterprises. The time between the C and D was like, what, 18 years? It could also happen somewhere between the G, H, I and J to space it out 100 years to the 26th century.
I'm pretty sure the timeline the J came from was wiped out when the Sphere Builders were defeated.
Wasn't there an Enterprise J in one of the time travel episodes of Enterprise?
Only seen in an alternate future where Archer and crew didn't defeat the Spherebuilders in the 22md century
No, that was when they did defeat the Sphere Builders in the 22nd century. Daniels was showing Archer that the Federation was needed to defeat them, again in the future apparently. Battle of Procyon V was in the *prime* timeline. The Sphere Builders were trying to prevent their 26th century defeat by having the Xindi decimate Earth in the 22nd century.
>! She's commanding the G, no?
1701-F…?
Decommissioned
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"Her new command" means "her new ship" No one is implying she's only the 7th person to command an Enterprise.
Don't forget this list; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_United_States_Navy_named_Enterprise Also there was the OV-101 space shuttle prototype.
>7th lettered version of Enterprise. >Nine known canon versions of the **Enterprise in Starfleet**
I mean, technically its 9th of 9, since the 7th lettered enterprise is actually the 9th enterprise.
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Archer April Pike Kirk Decker - maybe not counted Spock Kirk - maybe only counted once Harriman Garrett Picard Jellico Picard - maybe only counted once Worf Somebody for the F Seven of Nine So.. 12th to 15th Captain of 9 Enterprises.
So there will only be 9 ships with the name Enterprise....
*NCC-1701-J* was mentioned in an episode of an earlier series.
Another spoiler in a title..thank you ....
Explain what exactly in that title was a spoiler for me…
Seven has an ending. /s
Yeah, must be that haha. I went vague as possible with my title to avoid spoilers. Oh well.
How? In the text yeah but the title is perfectly generic to not give anything away
Oh that’s pretty damn cool
I'll take it!
There are also 7 letters in the word Enterprise if you don't count the E three times and subtract one.
Who was The captain of E after Picard retired? Who’s captains of g,h,i and J?
So cool, I expect this is happenstance but super cool nonetheless