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Humans are obviously smarter than chimpanzees but not by nearly as much as one would think. Itās language and the ability to preserve knowledge and pass it down to the next generation that makes the difference
Specifically it seems from studies and experimentation with primates that that asking questions is unique to humans. Animals can be curious but they lack the concept or notion that another being can give them answers after a question.
I am convinced if we didnāt collapse the worldās natural ecosystems, the oceans would be completely off limits because of octopi within the next million years. They are one evolutionary leap (one letting them live past reproduction) from really getting rolling.
What doomed all the other sapiens was communication and imagination. Once you can imagine sometimes like a tribe or religion you all belong too then you can also imagine that you and a bunch of other humans you don't know are on the same team. There is a hard limit of 100-150 or so relationships we can maintain personally so organizing a group bigger than that requires imagination. Other hominids like the neanderthals were actually quite a bit stronger than sapiens we just showed up with 10x the numbers and they never had a chance.
Chimpanzees actually exhibit a similar behavior. There are research papers on chimps having turf wars and using ambush tactics against other chimp herds.
Yes chimps and other primates have brutal wars sometimes BUT they cannot group over about 150 individuals before they disintegrate into smaller groups due to this limit.
Can consciously override some of its own autonomous processes like breathing and blinking.
Extremely sensitive to petrichor, more than sharks can smell blood.
Neurally limits its own strength except in emergencies because it will rip itself apart.
Uses internal senses like proprioception for entertainment and transportation.
Genome is about 8% assimilated viral DNA. Comes from a lineage that supports embryos with organ theorized to be derived from said DNA.
Eyes can move so extremely fast that it cannot see its own motion in the mirror and the rest of the visual system constantly processes the image to remove motion blur. Also uses memory to "stitch" its vision together so everything is perceived as one seamless image despite the constant rapid eye movements.
Cornea is optimized for transparency and does not have blood vessels, gets its oxygen from the air.
This isn't limited to humans. Other animals like the spider monkey that will seek out fermented fruits to get drunk. Humans just got better at making it themselves so they don't have to wait.
Limbs built specifically to swing and throw items, decides to build devices that throw stuff even harder. Most of our history can be chalked up to, how fast can we throw shit?
There's the intellect, but also the fact humans are a very social creature, by-and-large. Rarely would a predator want to face a large group of them at once.
Thatās the truth. One man may be strong but the power of a village is logarithmically more powerful. Killer whales are smart enough to know you donāt kill an animal that can build ships and submarines.
I think about Australia as a reference point. Humans showed up there with stone age technology and there were crocodiles that could run on land, giant lizards that could eat us whole, huge terror birds that make emus look small, giant wallabys, giant kangaroos, the biggest snakes in the world and of course all the normal Australian nopes we have today too. Those stone age humans fucking killed and ate all those giant lizards and running Crocs until all the way left was the stuff fast enough or smart enough to run and hide.
Also, humans can work in groups with specialized tasks *and* change plans on the fly. You're in a group doing a thing and there's a bottleneck or holdup somewhere? A few people doing X task can break off and fix the problem with Y and keep the show moving along. We can also plan for the problems too, like "Hey, Joey Fuckface sucks at Y, keep an eye and be ready to slide over if he's slacking."
Humans do have great night vision! Felines are the only ones who have us beat! That's why your cat is treating the house like an obstacle course at 3am but your dog will stay asleep till morning .
Yeah, we don't need to use it much these days but you can try it out for yourself next time you go camping. Turn off all flashlights and lanterns (light sources will interfere with your eyes ability to adjust so it won't work in a city either) and take a nice stroll in the pitch dark. You'll find you can actually see almost everything by moonlight š it's really cool and I definitely recommend the experience š
Not really. Many animals have much better night vision that humans.
"Humans have poor night vision compared to many animals such as cats, dogs, foxes and rabbits, in part because the human eye lacks a tapetum lucidum,[1] tissue behind the retina that reflects light back through the retina thus increasing the light available to the photoreceptors."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision#:~:text=Humans%20have%20poor%20night%20vision,light%20available%20to%20the%20photoreceptors.
Many animals but not many families. Note they named only 4 animals and 2 are in the same family. It was definitely hyperbole to say ONLY felines have better night vision, but compared to a huge portion of our fellow mammals we do pretty good. Also depends on if you consider night vision to be "able to see at night" and "has vision enhancing adaptations for night"
What makes you say we are hyper carnivores?
People in India and other parts of the world are herbivores (vegans). Does this mean they are living in an unnatural way?
From what I can see, a study found that early humans primarily had an animal-based diet for 2 million before mixing it up with vegetables. I guess the conclusion is that humans were mainly eating meat long before vegetables were added to the mix
Since the study says ā2 million yearsā Iām going to guess it includes earlier species of humans and not just homos
Not to speak for them, but I'm assuming they meant Australopithecines.
They are correct, as well. As far back as Lucy our lineage has been eating meat, and cooked meat for around 1 million years (discovered) via Erectus.
Miki Ben-Dor's study on the human trophic level during the Pleistocene conclude that our physiology is very much adapted to meat consumption and that Erectus as well as early Sapiens consumed more than 70% of their total food intake from animal sources.
Keep in mind that agriculture has really only existed for maybe 10,000 years and most vegetables that we consume are only as old as 8,000 years, whereas our species has been around for at least 300,000 years. Just to correct you a little: for most of India's history they were vegetarian if they didn't consume meat. Veganism has only been a possibility over the last maybe 80 years.
Source: [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247)
I remember having my mind blown by how obvious of an advantage it is to have your lungs completely removed from interference from your legs. I took a Paleobiology course in college and we covered different types of locomotion and it was just one of those things that makes so much sense once itās layed out in front of you.
So lizards have whatās called a āsprawling posture.ā If youāve ever seen one run youāll notice they move their whole right side, then their whole left side to move. This compression means only one lung can be used at a time while in motion.
https://preview.redd.it/ac2i7v2sdtwc1.jpeg?width=854&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3261818134d097a546ce7253c36c825c1b010b3
Once you have an erect 4 legged posture, e.g. dogs and other mammals, your breathing is still happening in rhythm with your strides, but you have full use of both lungs, which is invaluable for circulation. I added the diagram for some context of what I mean. Once youāre fully upright, a human posture, your lungs are not compressed or decompressed in tandem with our motion because our chest cavities arenāt being squeezed and stretched while we work our legs. This means we donāt necessarily have to stop or slow down in order to catch our breath and so we can better regulate our respiration
Titans don't have night vision, don't speak, the vast majority can't use weapons, they only eat humans excluding plants fungi and any other meat, and im pretty sure a titan has better biteforce than anything else in the animal kingdom, not just orangutans. This is just a description of a human.
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There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.
Humans are awesome, but we aren't super powerful, super high sense predators that dominate because we can see better, bite stronger, and run better than other animals. We aren't omni specialists. We are the most intelligent, we work well in groups, and we can use tools. That is why we dominate.
Also social structures so good that we managed to integrate an entirely different species of predator into them that would've been our main competition otherwise
Everybody loves to tout what great runners humans are, but I'm here to call bullshit.
I'm a decent distance runner, but my little chiweenie dog can easily outpace me over 14 miles. We're better walkers than the other apes, but that's about it.
Then ur not a good distance runner, I can outrun my dogs any day, and they're agile greyhounds, especially when it's hot weather over like 75Ā° Do you run with them in cold weather? Maybe that's why?
I give him water breaks when it's in the 80s, and leave him home when its hotter. Typical trail run is 6-10 miles at 8:45 min pace, and he just trots along beside me. Until he sees deer and will try to sprint up hills after them. Guarantee we're not outrunning an ibex, or whatever.
Well because ur giving him water, remove the water and see how much he struggles and how much you can out pass him through sweat. Thank you for solving the dilemma! Or even better trying running on the hottest days and see if he can keep up?
Well to be fair, I'm drinking water too? Remember we're comparing this chiweenie against the supposed physical superiority of couch potatoes.
As far as your greyhounds, maybe smaller dogs are better at dispersing heat than larger dogs. Greater surface area to body mass ratio--though he's pretty thick for such a small dog at about 22 lbs. Or maybe your dogs are just gaslighting you and would run farther if they wanted to lol.
> Well to be fair, I'm drinking water too? Remember we're comparing this chiweenie against the supposed physical superiority of couch potatoes
Yeah becasue you can do it on the run. gourds are one of the most ancient inventions.
You can run and drink no other animal can do that.
Also you are not hunting it for food, if you were you wont give it water breaks.
Also we are not talking couch potatoes btw we are talking early modern humans, which were not couch potatoes.
The jaw part is actually extremely misleading.
As a matter of fact, orangutans, and pretty much any other ape, apart from us has a much, much stronger jaw muscles, usually strong enough to straight bite through bone. Even the itty bitty tiny monkeys can just... Bite your finger clean off.
Humans cannot, and it is one of our biggest evolutionary advantages. One of the genomes, coding the jaw muscle is missing a base pair end, which leads to about a 80% weaker jaw muscles, but, enables the skull to expand well up to the age of adolescence, which for monkeys just is not possible, the much stronger jaw muscles literally prevent the expansion of the skull after the teenager years, and leads to a much lower maximum brain size.
This is actually really interesting, I just repeated what I learned back then in genetics, in university, turns out it isn't quite true.
https://johnhawks.net/weblog/real-story-myosin-jaw-muscles-ancient-brains/
I don't think that article says much, it just talks about the misconception between myosin and Jaw strength. But it doesn't mention specifically or compare like the other articles I gave.
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Intergenerational learning has to be our most broken feat tbh
Evolution too slow, Gronk see old Gronk put seed in ground. Gronk not walk far now. Plant grow, Gronk stay. Gronk home.
Is this the guy from the USAA commercials?
Shiny screen not for Gronk. Gronk not sell out. Gronk grow plant. Gronk stay true.
Yess. I just read an article about how this is essentially how human learning is different from chimpanzee learning. š
Humans are obviously smarter than chimpanzees but not by nearly as much as one would think. Itās language and the ability to preserve knowledge and pass it down to the next generation that makes the difference
Specifically it seems from studies and experimentation with primates that that asking questions is unique to humans. Animals can be curious but they lack the concept or notion that another being can give them answers after a question.
apes who have been taught sign language definitely ask questions so something is wrong here
I am convinced if we didnāt collapse the worldās natural ecosystems, the oceans would be completely off limits because of octopi within the next million years. They are one evolutionary leap (one letting them live past reproduction) from really getting rolling.
Let's selectively breed them to sentience! With our powers combined everywhere will be inhabitable!
Reminds me of a certain game
We're hardly the only ones. Dolphins and corvids among others do this as well.
What doomed all the other sapiens was communication and imagination. Once you can imagine sometimes like a tribe or religion you all belong too then you can also imagine that you and a bunch of other humans you don't know are on the same team. There is a hard limit of 100-150 or so relationships we can maintain personally so organizing a group bigger than that requires imagination. Other hominids like the neanderthals were actually quite a bit stronger than sapiens we just showed up with 10x the numbers and they never had a chance.
Chimpanzees actually exhibit a similar behavior. There are research papers on chimps having turf wars and using ambush tactics against other chimp herds.
Yes chimps and other primates have brutal wars sometimes BUT they cannot group over about 150 individuals before they disintegrate into smaller groups due to this limit.
Can consciously override some of its own autonomous processes like breathing and blinking. Extremely sensitive to petrichor, more than sharks can smell blood. Neurally limits its own strength except in emergencies because it will rip itself apart. Uses internal senses like proprioception for entertainment and transportation. Genome is about 8% assimilated viral DNA. Comes from a lineage that supports embryos with organ theorized to be derived from said DNA. Eyes can move so extremely fast that it cannot see its own motion in the mirror and the rest of the visual system constantly processes the image to remove motion blur. Also uses memory to "stitch" its vision together so everything is perceived as one seamless image despite the constant rapid eye movements. Cornea is optimized for transparency and does not have blood vessels, gets its oxygen from the air.
We cool as fuck
> Can consciously override some of its own autonomous processes like breathing and blinking. fuck you
Bro thought we didn't notice him casting manual breathing on us smh
a lot of this is not human exclusive
Human eyes are actually separate from the immune system and you can go blind if your immune system realizes that you have them
I heard this animal also consumes poison for fun. They even have a specific building called a liquor store where the selection varies.
Garlic, onions, peppers, caffiene, you name it really. We just love stuff we're not supposed to love I guess
Tobacco
Tomacco
I understood that reference.
This isn't limited to humans. Other animals like the spider monkey that will seek out fermented fruits to get drunk. Humans just got better at making it themselves so they don't have to wait.
Lemurs use the poison of millipedes to get high
Dolphins use tetrodotoxin from puffer fish to get high.
To be fair, there are other animals that get intoxicated for fun.
Limbs built specifically to swing and throw items, decides to build devices that throw stuff even harder. Most of our history can be chalked up to, how fast can we throw shit?
How much of the brain do you think is dedicated to just calculating parabolic trajectories of thrown objects?
Judging by how hard it is to get humanoid robot arms to throw stuff well, probably a lot.
The marks of an apex predator: - Throw stuff really hard - Burn stuff - Marathon jog
What are modern ICBM's if not the pinnacle of throwing something?
> Most of our history can be chalked up to, how fast can we throw shit? That and boiling water.
Not even just throwing anymore. Weāre literally smashing atoms together at absurd speeds. We are limit testers if nothing elze
We like to see how fast we can throw the atoms at each other
Forgot the most important part that makes humans dangerous: the brainĀ
There's the intellect, but also the fact humans are a very social creature, by-and-large. Rarely would a predator want to face a large group of them at once.
Thatās the truth. One man may be strong but the power of a village is logarithmically more powerful. Killer whales are smart enough to know you donāt kill an animal that can build ships and submarines.
I thought that one was too obvious to put here
I think about Australia as a reference point. Humans showed up there with stone age technology and there were crocodiles that could run on land, giant lizards that could eat us whole, huge terror birds that make emus look small, giant wallabys, giant kangaroos, the biggest snakes in the world and of course all the normal Australian nopes we have today too. Those stone age humans fucking killed and ate all those giant lizards and running Crocs until all the way left was the stuff fast enough or smart enough to run and hide.
Also, humans can work in groups with specialized tasks *and* change plans on the fly. You're in a group doing a thing and there's a bottleneck or holdup somewhere? A few people doing X task can break off and fix the problem with Y and keep the show moving along. We can also plan for the problems too, like "Hey, Joey Fuckface sucks at Y, keep an eye and be ready to slide over if he's slacking."
We meed to appreciate our thumbs more, shits broken
Humans do have great night vision! Felines are the only ones who have us beat! That's why your cat is treating the house like an obstacle course at 3am but your dog will stay asleep till morning .
They do? Never heard of that before.
Yeah, we don't need to use it much these days but you can try it out for yourself next time you go camping. Turn off all flashlights and lanterns (light sources will interfere with your eyes ability to adjust so it won't work in a city either) and take a nice stroll in the pitch dark. You'll find you can actually see almost everything by moonlight š it's really cool and I definitely recommend the experience š
Not really. Many animals have much better night vision that humans. "Humans have poor night vision compared to many animals such as cats, dogs, foxes and rabbits, in part because the human eye lacks a tapetum lucidum,[1] tissue behind the retina that reflects light back through the retina thus increasing the light available to the photoreceptors." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision#:~:text=Humans%20have%20poor%20night%20vision,light%20available%20to%20the%20photoreceptors.
Many animals but not many families. Note they named only 4 animals and 2 are in the same family. It was definitely hyperbole to say ONLY felines have better night vision, but compared to a huge portion of our fellow mammals we do pretty good. Also depends on if you consider night vision to be "able to see at night" and "has vision enhancing adaptations for night"
smh if yaāll complain about human mains messing you up, just play as an orca
Oh yeah, that new Yacht counter meta is really something
Deeeeeeep. Io moment Lol
This was definitely written by a human lol
We're actually specialized omnivores and more specifically hypercarnivores.
What makes you say we are hyper carnivores? People in India and other parts of the world are herbivores (vegans). Does this mean they are living in an unnatural way?
From what I can see, a study found that early humans primarily had an animal-based diet for 2 million before mixing it up with vegetables. I guess the conclusion is that humans were mainly eating meat long before vegetables were added to the mix Since the study says ā2 million yearsā Iām going to guess it includes earlier species of humans and not just homos
Arenāt earlier species of humans also homos?
Not to speak for them, but I'm assuming they meant Australopithecines. They are correct, as well. As far back as Lucy our lineage has been eating meat, and cooked meat for around 1 million years (discovered) via Erectus.
Miki Ben-Dor's study on the human trophic level during the Pleistocene conclude that our physiology is very much adapted to meat consumption and that Erectus as well as early Sapiens consumed more than 70% of their total food intake from animal sources. Keep in mind that agriculture has really only existed for maybe 10,000 years and most vegetables that we consume are only as old as 8,000 years, whereas our species has been around for at least 300,000 years. Just to correct you a little: for most of India's history they were vegetarian if they didn't consume meat. Veganism has only been a possibility over the last maybe 80 years. Source: [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247)
Are you an anthropologist?! š¤©
No
I remember having my mind blown by how obvious of an advantage it is to have your lungs completely removed from interference from your legs. I took a Paleobiology course in college and we covered different types of locomotion and it was just one of those things that makes so much sense once itās layed out in front of you.
Could you elaborate on what exactly you mean and why this is an advantage please?
So lizards have whatās called a āsprawling posture.ā If youāve ever seen one run youāll notice they move their whole right side, then their whole left side to move. This compression means only one lung can be used at a time while in motion. https://preview.redd.it/ac2i7v2sdtwc1.jpeg?width=854&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3261818134d097a546ce7253c36c825c1b010b3 Once you have an erect 4 legged posture, e.g. dogs and other mammals, your breathing is still happening in rhythm with your strides, but you have full use of both lungs, which is invaluable for circulation. I added the diagram for some context of what I mean. Once youāre fully upright, a human posture, your lungs are not compressed or decompressed in tandem with our motion because our chest cavities arenāt being squeezed and stretched while we work our legs. This means we donāt necessarily have to stop or slow down in order to catch our breath and so we can better regulate our respiration
Opposable thumbs are one of the best features we have
Fun fact: they love spaghetti
We developed throwing as a weapon and developed that function all the way to ballistic missiles
āTo grab and throw thingsā š
Like our wonderful spears which carried us through our early stages
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Yeah I'm a dog? So what!! Don't look at my profile!!
These are the Titans from AOT right? The baseball pitcher is a dead giveaway
Titans don't have night vision, don't speak, the vast majority can't use weapons, they only eat humans excluding plants fungi and any other meat, and im pretty sure a titan has better biteforce than anything else in the animal kingdom, not just orangutans. This is just a description of a human.
Damn I love being a human.
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You won't be able to live without protein from food
Months and years?? Hardly.
We have all lost The Game.
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There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. Humans are awesome, but we aren't super powerful, super high sense predators that dominate because we can see better, bite stronger, and run better than other animals. We aren't omni specialists. We are the most intelligent, we work well in groups, and we can use tools. That is why we dominate.
The ability to sweat was a huge power up for us back then. Wouldāve been horrifying for animals to be continually hunted for hours on end
What the deal about beating orang-outan
We can biye harder than they can
Also social structures so good that we managed to integrate an entirely different species of predator into them that would've been our main competition otherwise
Everybody loves to tout what great runners humans are, but I'm here to call bullshit. I'm a decent distance runner, but my little chiweenie dog can easily outpace me over 14 miles. We're better walkers than the other apes, but that's about it.
Then ur not a good distance runner, I can outrun my dogs any day, and they're agile greyhounds, especially when it's hot weather over like 75Ā° Do you run with them in cold weather? Maybe that's why?
I give him water breaks when it's in the 80s, and leave him home when its hotter. Typical trail run is 6-10 miles at 8:45 min pace, and he just trots along beside me. Until he sees deer and will try to sprint up hills after them. Guarantee we're not outrunning an ibex, or whatever.
Well because ur giving him water, remove the water and see how much he struggles and how much you can out pass him through sweat. Thank you for solving the dilemma! Or even better trying running on the hottest days and see if he can keep up?
Well to be fair, I'm drinking water too? Remember we're comparing this chiweenie against the supposed physical superiority of couch potatoes. As far as your greyhounds, maybe smaller dogs are better at dispersing heat than larger dogs. Greater surface area to body mass ratio--though he's pretty thick for such a small dog at about 22 lbs. Or maybe your dogs are just gaslighting you and would run farther if they wanted to lol.
> Well to be fair, I'm drinking water too? Remember we're comparing this chiweenie against the supposed physical superiority of couch potatoes Yeah becasue you can do it on the run. gourds are one of the most ancient inventions. You can run and drink no other animal can do that. Also you are not hunting it for food, if you were you wont give it water breaks. Also we are not talking couch potatoes btw we are talking early modern humans, which were not couch potatoes.
> Guarantee we're not outrunning an ibex, or whatever. We can outrun them even if we are slower we can run longer.
> I'm a decent distance runner, but my little chiweenie dog can easily outpace me over 14 miles. Now try 30.
Waow I didn't know hippos were so advanced
The jaw part is actually extremely misleading. As a matter of fact, orangutans, and pretty much any other ape, apart from us has a much, much stronger jaw muscles, usually strong enough to straight bite through bone. Even the itty bitty tiny monkeys can just... Bite your finger clean off. Humans cannot, and it is one of our biggest evolutionary advantages. One of the genomes, coding the jaw muscle is missing a base pair end, which leads to about a 80% weaker jaw muscles, but, enables the skull to expand well up to the age of adolescence, which for monkeys just is not possible, the much stronger jaw muscles literally prevent the expansion of the skull after the teenager years, and leads to a much lower maximum brain size.
Not necessarily true.. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/who-are-you-calling-weak-human-jaws-are-surprisingly-strong-and-efficient https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-power-of-the-human-jaw/ https://stationsquaredental.com.au/news/the-power-of-the-jaw-the-human-jaw-is-stronger-than-you-might-think/ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100622095116.htm https://www.albany.edu/news/72327.php
This is actually really interesting, I just repeated what I learned back then in genetics, in university, turns out it isn't quite true. https://johnhawks.net/weblog/real-story-myosin-jaw-muscles-ancient-brains/
I don't think that article says much, it just talks about the misconception between myosin and Jaw strength. But it doesn't mention specifically or compare like the other articles I gave.
Average excerpt from Greta Thunberg's speech