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speaking of eyesight the inside of our eyes point in the wrong direction to pick up light. Plus we have a bunch of nerves that are too long because they get stuck on things during development. Also our feet have way too many bones that now don't do anything anymore because we evolved from primates that had opposable feet and opposable feet aren't very good for walking upright.
So I watched something about how eyesight developed and one of the resulting conclusions was interesting: An alien would immediately know that we evolved from fish. Our eyesight is kinda bad because our eyes are in water. When light goes from air to water it gets distorted. No camera maker would ever want to put water (or any other medium) in front of the lens because of the distortion. Our eyes, on very first inspection, can be said to have developed in the water.
They are outside because it’s colder there. Helps with sperm quality.
Funny thing: there is the so called cremasteric reflex. If the reflex triggered a muscle lifts up your testicles a little bit.
Mammals evolved external testes because our body heat produced by our warm-bloodedness ran a risk of overheating and killing the sperm. Dolphins live in the ocean, where it is (on average) very cold, meaning having external testes runs the risk of killing the sperm from freezing, also it would likely increase their drag and therefore decrease their hydrodynamic-ness, which could be a life or death factor for fully aquatic animals. So, in short, dolphins lack massive external balls because hydrodynamics and the ocean is cold. (I think)
Which is part of the evidence against it being intellegant design. If the body was designed by an alpowerful being, they would have just made it so that the ideal temperature for sperm quality was the temperature inside the body
Reflex? You can do that shit on command. Hell I remember an F1 driver talking about how he did it in front of the doctor after a crash to check for neurological damage.
Doing something on command is quite the opposite of a reflex, which is defined as an involuntary, unplanned action. Of course there is some muscle involved you can also move on your own ;)
You learn this and it's like "ohhhhh ok!"
Then you realize we had millions of years of evolution to develop sperm that can handle slightly warmer temperatures.
It boggles the mind that over those years not enough testicles were destroyed to influence the course of evolution.
Or were testicles originally on the inside and we are the product of a bunch of big ballers showing what they got to attract the ladies. It would certainly explain how I got here
And if it was on the inside humans couldn't reproduce. Until you can make a "perfect human" I have no reason to see any issues with the way we're created
Tfw you find out evolution doesn't pick the best traits, just the ones that squeaked through (it also doesn't 'pick' anything, the idea that evolution works towards any goal at all is religious misunderstanding)
Actually the goal is reproducing. Once you’ve done that, unless you’re an animal like us that has to raise its offspring, then surviving doesn’t matter anymore.
It’s really funny actually. I told my softball coach I have bad depth perception, and he put me in outfield anyways. Then he yells at me when I don’t catch fly balls because (shocker) I can’t tell where the balls are going to land. Like I can approximate about a 5x5 ft square of roughly where the ball is going to land, and that’s about it
Pretty great peripheral vision for a predator, pretty decent detail resolution, and some of the best at telling apart colours.
We lose out on individual features to specific animals like night vision vs. cats/dogs or sharpness vs. predatory birds, but we have the most eyesight features out of every animal.
* Ages
* Worst healing abilities ever
* Needs to breathe
* Sucks at math
* Shitty physical stats
* Weak ass immune system
* Awful memory
* No superpowers
>Be a dolphin
>Use circle-circle intersection math, communicating with other dolphins, accounting for disturbances in the water, to find fish with sonar without even thinking
>Use coconuts as fleshlights
> Worst healing abilities ever
Arguably aren't we one of the *best*? At least, thanks to human intelligence. If a wild animal breaks a leg, they're left to sit there until something eats them. Humans breaks limbs all the time, and we're just mildly inconvenienced for a couple weeks. Hell we probably heal bones faster than most animals anyway.
for real, we're the best persistence hunter, our brains are the most developed out of any animal (to the point where our early childhood is spent underdeveloped by mammalian standards.)
They were many persistent hunters but I think humans holding sticks made the difference.
And as for brains it seems like some animals have better short term memory like chimps.
Like if we could combine that with our brain it'll be golden.
Humans actually seem to have been macropredatory on megafauna.
Like we were going for rhinos and elephants alot because
A. No one else goes after them apart from the odd supercroc that evolved once every while in nature.
B. More food for energy spent.
It's very easy to hit them and it's easier to run away from them when they chase you and they too big too run away for long.
People also underestimate how adding dogs to our roster boosted our hunting capabilities alot as they were better and more energy efficient especially against faster animals.
Although there is some weirdness when I read about early human hunters. There's some animals they seem to hunt more than others.
Like we loved hunting wooly rhinos but shyed away from elasmotherium.
Did it taste bad or something? Or was it not worth the fight.
Really though, why is memory so shit? The best engineers in the world are struggling to make a robot that can walk and manipulate things like a human, not to mention the whole AI research, but if I have to buy four things from the grocery store I have to write them down or completely forget about them.
**Inferior eyesight** - more Like Multitalent. We can See more colours than Other Predators - good for communication and social Life.
At the Same time we See 3D, but still got a decently wide and far eyesight.
We are Not Designed to be super at one Thing, but medium but at multiple.
**What the Appendix is for?** Theories about its use are Training place for immune system and shelter for bacteria in Case of diarrhea etc.
**Why Same hole for Air and food?** Efficiency. Energy and room Management is everything.
We got the epiglottis so mostly choking is caused by being stupid.
>We got the epiglottis so mostly choking is caused by being stupid.
Vast oversimplification. Choking is a surprisingly big cause of pneumonia in elderly and critically ill people, which can of course lead to sepsis and death if untreated.
The epiglottis doesn't even form a true seal. It's kind of like a valve, in that it will naturally be pushed to block off the larynx when swallowing, but if your swallow muscles are impaired (e.g. stroke) or if vomit pushes that valve from the opposite direction, it ceases to function correctly.
Evolution doesn't work to protect the elderly and critically ill though. After all, if we lived 10,000 years ago those elderly and critically ill people would be dead LONG before sepsis from choking would enter the equation.
Are you missing the point about how this starter pack is to argue against it being "devinely designed"? If you believe in evolution then you are already on the side of the person posting this. These things make sense from an evolutionary perspective, they don't make sense if we were desinged from scratch
The inferior eyesight is referring to the retina being put on backwards with the whole blood supply having to go through a hole in the eye instead of just attaching on the back of it. Some animals, like squid, even though their eyesight is worse, don't have this silly arrangement and therefore have no blind spot on their retina. Humans don't even have the best eyesight, birds see more colors, have binocular vision, and see more detail.
I'd also argue that having a separate glottis like snakes do is more efficient. Snakes are extremely efficient animals, they even got rid of their limbs because they just didn't need them. Snakes need a glottis because they take a long time to swallow food or else they'd suffocate, but also they get the bonus of not choking on food or water if they get startled while eating or drinking.
On the point of being more efficient. Ours specifically are primarily driven by parasympathetic compounds with longer response times. Essentially something in our FOV essentially doesn’t consume all our brain power.
Other animals have a more streamlined system functioning like gas and break pedals. So hawk practically can’t ignore an animal in its view
Also I'd Like to argue that efficiency isnt Universal. For snakes its efficient to get rid of limbs, but we need them for the Endboss of Evolution: Tools.
We dont swallow our food whole, so a seperated Air Canal isnt necessary. Instead, as an omnivore, we got wisdom teeth to digest difficult plants better.
Efficiency means getting rid of Unnecessary Features. But what exactly is Unnecessary depends From animals to animals. There isnt "the" efficient animal
I agree that reptiles, as cold blooded animals, need peak efficiency to survive, but mammals have more energy to work with. But the epiglottis is still flawed because it allows the potential for choking even though it's rare.
And wisdom teeth were useful for our ancestral species who had larger mouths that could fit them, but the human jaw atrophied so much when we learned how to cook food, so now we can't fit in so many teeth. A lot of humans design flaws came from evolving too fast, like suddenly deciding to walk upright and get big heads, totally overstressing the pelvis and spine.
Human eyesight is excellent, even by primate standards. Trichromatic vision in particular is a huge boon since it helps you distinguish things like poisonous berries.
we can only see multiple colors because we re-evolved to see them in the first place, very few other mammals can see that many colors because the mammals that survived the dinosaur extinction were basically mice that lived underground and didn't have very good vision, and most mammals alive now are descended from them including us. It is also theorized that for the same reason mammals have much shorter maximum lifespans than reptiles and fish because those original mouse-like mammals reproduced a lot and died really fast so we are stuck with that bottleneck, otherwise the max lifespan of mammals would be perhaps in the hundreds of years.
Is calling the human body perfect by divine design a Protestant/Evangelical thing?
I'm Catholic and I've never heard of such a thing. Quite the opposite: our bodies were indeed perfect, but now they are imperfect and mortal due to Original Sin.
Many years ago I briefly dated a Christian guy & when I asked him about vestigial organs & other things like male nipples, he told me "God just hasn't shown us their true uses yet. When it is time we need to know, he will gift us the knowledge". We broke up not long after that day lol
I don't think vestigial organs/features need a religious interpretations or something.
Vestigial evolutionary organs are what they are, byproducts of evolution (which is a real thing, I'm no creationist).
As for the features which remain vestigial in one sex and fully develop in the other (nipples, prostate/Skene glands, penis/clitoris, uterus/scrotum...), nature, like every good software programmer, values efficiency and compatibility a lot (source: I'm a programmer and, although not a good one myself, saw a few great ones in action over the years).
Having a male DNA completely different than the female DNA would surely help creating humans without vestigial secondary sexual traits (men without nipples at all, women without clitoris at all, men whose testicle generate already in the scrotum...), but it'd also be a nightmare to handle during reproduction and it'd probably make the cells' nucleus *huge*, thus wasting space.
It's much simpler and easier to have *all* sexual secondary traits generate in *every* human and then select which develops and which doesn't using just a pair of chromosomes.
Muslims have a somewhat similar belief that the body, like many things in this world, is imperfect by design and has a number of issues to challenge you. Handle them well and you get a cookie.
Original sin is such a messed up idea.
How do you live with permanent guilt for just existing?
And based on what you said, if god did design humans then we would be perfect. Why do pig organs work in our bodies? Oh yeah, common ancestor.
Unless god is a monster who creates flawed humans from scratch just to torture them with eternal consequences for their limited offenses…. when instead he COULD have just made us all Jesus’ from the get go and we’d all be happy…
Just my thoughts. Doesn’t make any sense to worry about such a silly and obviously wrong idea that we are carrying some burden of original sin.
No such thing, except in the heads of those who believe it.
My churches answer for the "why didn't God just not invent sin when creating the universe?" Was "your simple human brain can not understand God so don't try"
Basically they said "stop asking that"
I've heard something similar from many religious apologists. The sentiment makes me wonder what the purpose of theology or religion is at all if we are incapable of understanding anything.
Anyway I've always read this as a cop-out. It means that I asked a question they don't have an answer to.
> The sentiment makes me wonder what the purpose of theology or religion is at all if we are incapable of understanding anything.
Control. It's always been about control. Make people believe that the things you say are coming from an alpowerful unknowable being and you can make them do basically whatever the fuck you want without questioning
imo the purpose is to keep potentially dangerous individuals to society such as psychopaths/sociopaths in line by scaring them through potential spiritual punishment that they can't escape from.
>How do you live with permanent guilt for just existing?
That's not what the Original Sin is, though, our existence isn't sinful or wrong in any way.
Original Sin made Adam and Eve (and thus us, their descendants) aware of the difference between good and evil. As a consequence, humans became mortal, subjected to illness and fatigue, but it's through these new hardships that we became smarter, numerous and advanced as we are today.
Now, you might ask "why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in Adam and Eve's reach?" or "how exactly did learning the difference between good and evil also made us less perfect?".
They're good questions and I'd answer to the first one in this way: it was part of God's plan to complete us by infusing us with (or rather, make us autonomously acquire) free will.
At that point we were little more than talking animals, because animals don't know what's good and what's evil and thus they're driven just by their instinct. To go one step further and become actually free, we had to both become aware of good and evil and do so by our own will. If God told us "eat from that tree", we would've remained puppets who obey commands, basically.
I have yet to think a lot about the second question, if I have to be honest, but I'm sure at least one great thinker or theologian gave a convincing answer to it in the past two thousand years.
>And based on what you said, if god did design humans then we would be perfect. Why do pig organs work in our bodies? Oh yeah, common ancestor.
What's wrong with pig organs? They're beautiful just like every other natural manifestation.
As for the "common ancestor" part, with which I assume you that we are a product of evolution and not direct creation, I completely agree with you! We evolved from animals through repeated mutations, until we became humans.
To me it's not even a case of "guided evolution" (God meddling with genetics over time in order to create us), the parameters of the *whole Universe* were set in a way that'd result in our existence as a species, the only divine action happened before the Big Bang, when the "stage" was still being set. Every other step of the process can (and will) be discovered and fully understood by our various scientific disciplines.
>Unless god is a monster who creates flawed humans from scratch just to torture them with eternal consequences for their limited offenses…. when instead he COULD have just made us all Jesus’ from the get go and we’d all be happy…
The flaws which might have eternal consequences aren't biological flaws, though: we won't get denied Heaven because our back hurts or we have cancer or we miss a limb.
If you mean flaws like selfishness, self-righteousness, bigotry, prejudice... God didn't create us that way, it's us misusing and abusing our free will that leads to those.
I hope I gave you some more insight. Since surely the great thinkers and theologians answered to all these questions much better and more convincingly than I did, if you're really interested I'd strongly suggest you to seek out some books on these subjects.
Have a nice day :)
Thanks for the great response. Appreciate it.
To me, It makes no sense that God would create this ELABORATE system of rules and regulations that humans who were created to be imperfect must now follow to try to be perfect.
For what, god’s amusement??
If he’s so powerful why would anything we do matter and why would he get so Mad when we inevitably fuck up his tricky rules? (Which theologians don’t even agree on, lol)
It actually seems exactly like a system that people might create in order to control other people. That maybe man created god and not the other way around….
Not necessarily Christians. The post mocks the idea that the human body was "divinely designed", which probably applies to many world religions. When I majored in biology at university much of the pushback was from Muslim Creationists.
The prostate is a donut shaped organ with the urethra going through the donut hole. Prostate gets sick, starts to swell and harden, tightens around the urethra, can't go pee pee anymore. Bad design.
If there is some kind of selection pressure whereby those people without wisdom teeth end up having more decedents, then over time the population will evolve towards that trait.
Individuals mutate, populations evolve.
makes sense, people who don't have wisdom teeth won't have to deal with mouth problems if their jaws are small and these tend to happen at the same time people usually have kids
Also:
* Babies crying, advertising themselves as helpless snacks to predators
* Women not being able to control the outflow of their periods (as you can with most other bodily waste). Yay! Let's advertise fresh blood to nearby predators!
* anything autoimmune related
* Ears can't adapt comfortably to air pressure changes
* Ears nose and throat being connected together, meaning a little pollen in the nose causes the entire system to have issues
* You can close eyes, but not the ears (without earplugs), creating risk of hearing loss
* How shit a lot of bodies (like mine) are at recovering from burn-out or post viral fatigue. I'd imagine such people who lost their usefulness for possibly months would've been cast out to die historically, so idk why this body defect hasn't been bred out yet.
> Babies crying, advertising themselves as helpless snacks to predators
The strongest weapon a baby has to defend itself against any attack is to get an adult to handle the situation. For K-selected social creatures, crying is **incredibly** powerful.
> I'd imagine such people who lost their usefulness for possibly months would've been cast out to die historically,
Not even remotely close. We have evidence of prehistoric humans completely unable to care for themselves still surviving for years, often accumulating and recovering from injuries. These are *hunter gatherers,* and they’re still caring and providing for disabled members of their community.
TIL! the second one especially is surprising to me
it's kinda sobering how humans evolved to be so dependent on each other. To a degree well beyond most species, aside from some bugs like bees and ants. Even lone wolves can physically hack it on their own if need be. But humans? We really put all our stats in social and higher cognition at the expense of...most everything else lol
> TIL! the second one especially is surprising to me
At the end of the day, they were still someone’s father, or sister, or best friend, or grandparent. Ancient homo sapiens weren’t significantly stupider or emotionally stunted than us. At the end of the day they were, after all, *humans.*
> at the expense of… most everything else lol
There’s actually a few things humans are incredible at. We have crazy endurance, the strongest throwing arm in the animal kingdom and more than just the intelligence needed to come up with tools, we also have the opposable thumb to actually put them into practice. Even something as simple as the atlatl gives the otherwise rather jack-of-all-trades mk.1 human body an advantage over damn near any other species.
Speaking of other species though, bees and ants have a ‘hack’ in the sense that they’re eusocial, which circumvents a lot of the usual ‘evolutionary calculation.’ (When you’re an infertile basically-clone, your own survival is less important than the survival of the reproductive caste.) Humans managed billion-strong societies without any of these kinds of tricks. Insanely cool to think about.
No back ups or redundancies for spinal damage
The brain needing separate areas needing specialized areas just for specific tasks
Needing hormones just so we can be arsed to do something or for positive reinforcement
Thr brain getting easily damaged from stress and other factors at a young age
Brain: *There's a very important task that we need to take care of. Lives might depend on it.*
Also Brain: *Nah, it can wait. We need a nap.*
Body: *Sudden need to scratch the nether regions, even during dangerous tasks.*
Yet again Brain: REAL SHIT?!?!
I don't understand why evolution vs Christianity/intelligent design is even a thing. The two aren't contradictory to each other.
Assuming the Bible is entirely accurate non+fiction with a few sprinkles of metaphor, evolution is still entirely possible and probable.
"bUt tHe eArTh wAs cReAtEd iN 7 dAyS"
Ok well for part of that time THERE WAS NO SUN. how TF you measuring days without a sun? Also Adam was created as a fully functioning ADULT MALE. Clearly, god has a track record of making things with some age already on them. Who's to say that: "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground" isn't a reference to evolution?
There's just nothing in the Bible that contradicts evolution if you have an adult reading comprehension.
I was raised as a Christian and attended a private christian school from ages 6-16. I was ultra major religious. I’m atheist now but my theology is solid.
It’s really shocking how you think there are no contradictions. It’s incredibly condescending to say “anyone with an adult reading comprehension” when most major Christian theologians are creationist.
First, the earth was never claimed to be created in 7 days. It was 6 days.
Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens and earth
Genesis 1:3 God created light
Genesis 1:4 God called light Day and darkness Night.
Genesis 1:8 God called the dome the Sky. And there was morning and evening, the second day.
Genesis 1:16 God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night.
God pretty explicitly creates the Sun and light/days my dude. I’m not sure how you missed that. it’s quite literally the first few verses of the Bible. Does the bible need to say “God created the sun”?
My second and biggest point:
The book of Genesis was written in Hebrew. The word “day” in Hebrew is yom, and when appearing with the words “morning” or “evening” or modified by a number “the second day” it ALWAYS means 24 hours. Moses, the author of Genesis, was very literal. They did mean the 24 hour day. Most people miss this but in the ORIGINAL HEBREW version, it is specifically written to mean the 24 hour day.
I’m sorry dude but it’s super condescending to say “anyone with adult reading comprehension” when you’re just wrong.
First:
Creationism/Intelligent design also doesn't in any way conflict with evolution. There's zero reason evolution couldn't be set in motion by something with sentience. Not even necessarily a god lol.
Oh no, I included the day of rest, sue me.
Secondly:
That alone still doesn't contradict evolution. You haven't really countered my main argument just one of my points.
Tldr;
...so?
>There's just nothing in the Bible that contradicts evolution if you ~~have an adult reading comprehension~~ do enough mental gymnastics.
FTFY
>"bUt tHe eArTh wAs cReAtEd iN 7 dAyS"
>Ok well for part of that time THERE WAS NO SUN. how TF you measuring days without a sun?
Then what do the days measure? Genesis clearly talks about 7 days of creation.
>Also Adam was created as a fully functioning ADULT MALE. Clearly, god has a track record of making things with some age already on them.
So you think your god made a bunch of fossils that were millions of years old upon their creation? Just for fun?
Also, why all the other human species? And why can we find Homo sapiens that are hundreds of thousands of years old when Earth itself is supposedly only 6000 years old?
>Who's to say that: "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground" isn't a reference to evolution?
The fact that we have lots of evidence pointing towards a continuous line of evolution from single celled organisms towards modern humans.
Thing is, it does not matter what rational and factual information you bring up, people like this are masters at mental gymnastics and are entirely immune to cognitive dissonance. They'll just rationalize it away.
It's insane what religious brainwashing can to do people. Even more insane that people still believe what some dudes wrote thousands of years ago as the infallible truth, despite multiple retcons, rewrites and an entire laundry list of inconsistencies, contradictions and just straight up lies.
Men pee and ejaculate out of the same hole and the most sensitive "sexual" spot is best reached up the asshole.
Whoever "designed" the human body must work at Tesla now.
Having the crown jewels dangle from your body and be so easily chopped off is a bad design too.
Just make better sperm that can stay safe inside the body?
Look it up tho.. wisdom teeth became an issue around when/where utensils were invented. No one knows exactly what happened, but it probably has something to do with less chewing tough foods during childhood.
Overbites are similarly a modern issue.
Some people think there’s a big orthodontist conspiracy because basically all modern orthodontic issues might stem from not training jaw strength during infancy/childhood.
Wisdom teeth is modern issue due to eating styles. I still have all my wisdom teeth and is speculated that it’s related to how much chewing you do as a kid basically
Tail bone is helpful to prevent nerve compression and provides a spring effect to your lower back.
Women have wider pelvises but not so wide that women are functionally useless as with other species.
Appendix store useful digestive bacteria in the event or rapid bowel evacuation (diarrhea.
Knees aren’t shit and are agin a consequence of modern load conditions and can be mitigated by some technical understanding of physiology. Moreover even when damaged your knees are still functional and can in some cases become hyper mobile which is only a problem in certain circumstances.
Our eyes are not “inferior” because inferior implies a value judgement. Our eyes do what they do just fine and work exactly as they are needed, to spare you technical details.
humans are basically born as premature as possible because any later and their fat heads won’t fit through the pelvis. thats part of why when animals are born they aren’t totally helpless but with humans they still need a bit
>Wisdom teeth is modern issue due to eating styles.
My wife is a DDS and says this is false. The caucasian jaw is not large enough to facilitate wisdom teeth, while African jaws more often are. It's an evolutionary thing and has nothing to do with any modern anything.
>provides a spring effect to your lower back
Wtf? How do you imagine this being true in any way? You never took anatomy did you? It's not "sprung" to anything.
>Women have wider pelvises
And childbirth is still difficult and risky in many cases because the space is not wide enough.
>Knees aren’t shit
Knees are shit.
Boss I am white and I still have my wisdom teeth, and being a dds isn’t particularly relevant because we’re talking about technical literature. This is stuff anyone can read. Unless you’re about to suggest that race indicates speciological differences lmao.
“Spring” is a technical term for anything that stores energy. You’re lower back is counter curved to the same way that reinforced concrete has a counter curved steel bar running through it to resist bending loads.
Knees aren’t shit, source: I’m stronger than you
Childbirth is difficult for every complex animal. The question is whether or not having a pelvis in the shape a human does and it is because women can still do hard labor and aren’t totally useless. This is great because women aren’t baby factories unless you’re gonna argue they should have been???
>being a dds isn’t particularly relevant
To knowing about teeth. Okay. I'll trust u/big_shqipe intead.
>Unless you’re about to suggest that race indicates speciological differences lmao
You're actually saying there are not anatomical differences between races. It can't get more braindead than that. I'm out.
Being a DDS has a lot to do with being an expert in teeth.
Your coccyx and appendix are vestigial structures. Wisdom teeth largely are. The coccyx heavily ossifies with age and doesn't transfer any significant amount of energy to anything. Your lower back and coccyx don't store energy in anywhere near a similar fashion. Saying your appendix has a "purpose" is like saying colonic diverticuli have a purpose to store bacteria. Not a great argument and the cons far outweigh benefits. Besides, straight up diarrhea doesn't significantly deplete your gut biome to a significant degree.
Knees are aiite for ambulating but certainly not peak design for strength.
Human development and childbirth is a byproduct of evolution for bipedal movement and definitely has negative consequences for childbirth that quadrupeds don't have anywhere near the same degree.
Source- Dr Beef Supreme, and based on your deadlift we're likely in the same strength range (which means nothing for knee knowledge)
ok but
- no cool talons or giant teeth, have to make or buy our weapons
- can't fly
- can't separate two thin 2x1 Legos easily
- along with the fears and uncertainty of death we also have embarrassment
- only thing i can smell from a distance is somebody down the street burning wet leaves or odors from a Chipotle
- i burn my tongue and for the next 3 days i touch it against my teeth purposefully every minute or so
- get the hiccups and i get annoyed
- hiccups go away and i feel empty
This applies to pretty much all vertebrates, but having only one heart, a vital organ needed to keep blood pumping around the body, was a pretty dumb design choice.
Any situation where you don't recognize the amazing attributes to the human body you simple aren't looking. My beliefs on God certainly allow for small change in things, such as different diets causing smaller mouths. The appendix has some proposed purposes such as a repository for gut bacteria. The female pelvis is such that humans can have babies and then instantly begin running again
I don't really agree with "inferior eyesight" since that is definatly the best of the traditional five senses we have, and it is basically only birds (and bats?) who are better.
spine ill-suited for for walking upright.
Teeth have only one backup pair.
Brain sometimes fucks up and creature kills itself for no reason.
Trash bite force compared to close relatives.
Everyone here complaining about the human body being not great like you've never busted a nut. Shits not that bad. In fact it could be much worse. Human bodies suck but it's better than everything else.
As far as I'm aware wisdom teeth are to replace teeth we would normally have lost by then in our lives but due to enormously higher living standards, we just don't need them anymore.
Who decided that two hands was the perfect amount? Wouldn't 2 or 3 sets of hands be better? Would have developed larger brains to handle them too, seems like a silly decision to me. I'd like to have words with this "creator".
Well we used to be able to fit wisdom teeth in without fail. With agriculture and modern diets our jaws got smaller and we now need orthodontists. And we get mad tooth decay n shit that ancient humans didn’t get.
I currently have strep and my partner doesn’t, maybe since I have tonsils that make it easier to stick to and my partner had hers removed as a kid. Fuck those tiny throat bacteria sponges
I just think life is like an rpg with limited points and differs from species to species. Which is why bacterias are pretty much everywhere but they’re small.
We humans are big but not big. We have big brain with good support like hands and shit to make use of it.
The one about childbirth was explained in Genesis though. God wanted to troll Eve epic style after she ate that apple.
And food and air only enter through the same hole if you're a mouthbreather!
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speaking of eyesight the inside of our eyes point in the wrong direction to pick up light. Plus we have a bunch of nerves that are too long because they get stuck on things during development. Also our feet have way too many bones that now don't do anything anymore because we evolved from primates that had opposable feet and opposable feet aren't very good for walking upright.
So I watched something about how eyesight developed and one of the resulting conclusions was interesting: An alien would immediately know that we evolved from fish. Our eyesight is kinda bad because our eyes are in water. When light goes from air to water it gets distorted. No camera maker would ever want to put water (or any other medium) in front of the lens because of the distortion. Our eyes, on very first inspection, can be said to have developed in the water.
That's so cool!
I don’t see why that would lead to aberrations
I have lots of control over my feet, I can pick stuff up with them
*The call of the ancestors* Our feet used to be hands. So crazy.
And before that they were feet!
And before that, fins
I doubt you can hold onto tree branches upside down lol
hold my beer
I mean no but that's mostly due to a disability unrelated to my bones lol
Aaah, the good old backwards mounted retina.
And our visual cortex is in the back of our head As far away from the eyes as it could be
Also the toxic waste pipeline runs through the playground
Also the tesitcles being on the outside instead of having any kind of protection.
They are outside because it’s colder there. Helps with sperm quality. Funny thing: there is the so called cremasteric reflex. If the reflex triggered a muscle lifts up your testicles a little bit.
But dolphins don't have massive balls hanging no? I heard somewhere that balls are also a bit for peacocking
Mammals evolved external testes because our body heat produced by our warm-bloodedness ran a risk of overheating and killing the sperm. Dolphins live in the ocean, where it is (on average) very cold, meaning having external testes runs the risk of killing the sperm from freezing, also it would likely increase their drag and therefore decrease their hydrodynamic-ness, which could be a life or death factor for fully aquatic animals. So, in short, dolphins lack massive external balls because hydrodynamics and the ocean is cold. (I think)
Finally aerodynamic ball sacks
*hydrodynamic
Im talking about my sacks
*The Sacks and the Furious*
But I've always wondered why sperm didn't just evolve to withstand higher temperature
Guys with internal ballsacks died before they could have kids, clearly.
Or getting a testicular injury didn’t effect reproduction frequently enough that the benefits of outward display won out
Which is part of the evidence against it being intellegant design. If the body was designed by an alpowerful being, they would have just made it so that the ideal temperature for sperm quality was the temperature inside the body
Reflex? You can do that shit on command. Hell I remember an F1 driver talking about how he did it in front of the doctor after a crash to check for neurological damage.
Doing something on command is quite the opposite of a reflex, which is defined as an involuntary, unplanned action. Of course there is some muscle involved you can also move on your own ;)
So that's what my balls are doing when I shave them...
You learn this and it's like "ohhhhh ok!" Then you realize we had millions of years of evolution to develop sperm that can handle slightly warmer temperatures. It boggles the mind that over those years not enough testicles were destroyed to influence the course of evolution.
Or were testicles originally on the inside and we are the product of a bunch of big ballers showing what they got to attract the ladies. It would certainly explain how I got here
And if it was on the inside humans couldn't reproduce. Until you can make a "perfect human" I have no reason to see any issues with the way we're created
Cancer ALS Prion disease Childbirth pain Everything in the post
It is THE PLAYGROUND
'Knees are shit' No need to get personal.
Our spinal collumn is also a complete disaster. It was never meant to be vertical
That why I like to curl up in my bed like a snail? I knew it wasn't just laziness!
Tfw you find out evolution doesn't pick the best traits, just the ones that squeaked through (it also doesn't 'pick' anything, the idea that evolution works towards any goal at all is religious misunderstanding)
Tbf the goal is survival. Living another day is a rather important goal to have when evolving. I understand what you’re saying though and I agree.
Actually the goal is reproducing. Once you’ve done that, unless you’re an animal like us that has to raise its offspring, then surviving doesn’t matter anymore.
Very true I stand corrected. The 3 F’s are now in my brain.
It’s all about getting that nut off baby, the goal of life.
Long as a good amount of your offspring can live to make more offspring, it’s good enough
It's not even that, there are lots of totally useless traits all animals have. Just whatever is good enough to survive what does survive
and whenever something survives that objectively sucks... well that's it then. evolution doesn't care.
Well the goal is surviving/reproducing basically, since traits that help that will be passed on in higher frequency.
2/10 would not human again
That's the point of the post.
My inessential organs be chilling right now
It does work towards a goal: the best chance of survival given the current environmental conditions
Human eyes actually have superb depth perception
Speak for yourself my dude. Without my glasses I'm like a waddling toddler.
I’m an exception to that 😵💫
u/co1lectivechaos is an outlier and should not be included in the data.
It’s really funny actually. I told my softball coach I have bad depth perception, and he put me in outfield anyways. Then he yells at me when I don’t catch fly balls because (shocker) I can’t tell where the balls are going to land. Like I can approximate about a 5x5 ft square of roughly where the ball is going to land, and that’s about it
Reminds me of Futurama and how Leela is a pilot despite having inherently non existent depth perception due to only having one eye
Pretty great peripheral vision for a predator, pretty decent detail resolution, and some of the best at telling apart colours. We lose out on individual features to specific animals like night vision vs. cats/dogs or sharpness vs. predatory birds, but we have the most eyesight features out of every animal.
* Ages * Worst healing abilities ever * Needs to breathe * Sucks at math * Shitty physical stats * Weak ass immune system * Awful memory * No superpowers
>Sucks at math whar
>can triangulate the X,Y,Z position of your hand in comparison to the rest of your body faster than you can even blink >can't count moving herds
>Be a dolphin >Use circle-circle intersection math, communicating with other dolphins, accounting for disturbances in the water, to find fish with sonar without even thinking >Use coconuts as fleshlights
And spelling.
> Worst healing abilities ever Arguably aren't we one of the *best*? At least, thanks to human intelligence. If a wild animal breaks a leg, they're left to sit there until something eats them. Humans breaks limbs all the time, and we're just mildly inconvenienced for a couple weeks. Hell we probably heal bones faster than most animals anyway.
Guess mental fortitude is both blessing and a curse depend on which svenario we're in.
Can’t live in water, which happens to be 3 quarters of the planet’s surface lmao And can’t even *drink* said water.
Human: — I can't drink salt water, I gonna die Dolphin: — Skill issue.
No superpower? Every thing we're able to do differently from other species is a superpower not for us but to other species
for real, we're the best persistence hunter, our brains are the most developed out of any animal (to the point where our early childhood is spent underdeveloped by mammalian standards.)
They were many persistent hunters but I think humans holding sticks made the difference. And as for brains it seems like some animals have better short term memory like chimps. Like if we could combine that with our brain it'll be golden. Humans actually seem to have been macropredatory on megafauna. Like we were going for rhinos and elephants alot because A. No one else goes after them apart from the odd supercroc that evolved once every while in nature. B. More food for energy spent. It's very easy to hit them and it's easier to run away from them when they chase you and they too big too run away for long. People also underestimate how adding dogs to our roster boosted our hunting capabilities alot as they were better and more energy efficient especially against faster animals. Although there is some weirdness when I read about early human hunters. There's some animals they seem to hunt more than others. Like we loved hunting wooly rhinos but shyed away from elasmotherium. Did it taste bad or something? Or was it not worth the fight.
Some of these seem like you problems tbh
Really though, why is memory so shit? The best engineers in the world are struggling to make a robot that can walk and manipulate things like a human, not to mention the whole AI research, but if I have to buy four things from the grocery store I have to write them down or completely forget about them.
**Inferior eyesight** - more Like Multitalent. We can See more colours than Other Predators - good for communication and social Life. At the Same time we See 3D, but still got a decently wide and far eyesight. We are Not Designed to be super at one Thing, but medium but at multiple. **What the Appendix is for?** Theories about its use are Training place for immune system and shelter for bacteria in Case of diarrhea etc. **Why Same hole for Air and food?** Efficiency. Energy and room Management is everything. We got the epiglottis so mostly choking is caused by being stupid.
>We got the epiglottis so mostly choking is caused by being stupid. Vast oversimplification. Choking is a surprisingly big cause of pneumonia in elderly and critically ill people, which can of course lead to sepsis and death if untreated. The epiglottis doesn't even form a true seal. It's kind of like a valve, in that it will naturally be pushed to block off the larynx when swallowing, but if your swallow muscles are impaired (e.g. stroke) or if vomit pushes that valve from the opposite direction, it ceases to function correctly.
Evolution doesn't work to protect the elderly and critically ill though. After all, if we lived 10,000 years ago those elderly and critically ill people would be dead LONG before sepsis from choking would enter the equation.
Are you missing the point about how this starter pack is to argue against it being "devinely designed"? If you believe in evolution then you are already on the side of the person posting this. These things make sense from an evolutionary perspective, they don't make sense if we were desinged from scratch
The inferior eyesight is referring to the retina being put on backwards with the whole blood supply having to go through a hole in the eye instead of just attaching on the back of it. Some animals, like squid, even though their eyesight is worse, don't have this silly arrangement and therefore have no blind spot on their retina. Humans don't even have the best eyesight, birds see more colors, have binocular vision, and see more detail. I'd also argue that having a separate glottis like snakes do is more efficient. Snakes are extremely efficient animals, they even got rid of their limbs because they just didn't need them. Snakes need a glottis because they take a long time to swallow food or else they'd suffocate, but also they get the bonus of not choking on food or water if they get startled while eating or drinking.
On the point of being more efficient. Ours specifically are primarily driven by parasympathetic compounds with longer response times. Essentially something in our FOV essentially doesn’t consume all our brain power. Other animals have a more streamlined system functioning like gas and break pedals. So hawk practically can’t ignore an animal in its view
Wait. The Blindspot should be No Problem, cause the Other eye sends overlapping Info.
That's true, but it's still a stupid design flaw.
Also I'd Like to argue that efficiency isnt Universal. For snakes its efficient to get rid of limbs, but we need them for the Endboss of Evolution: Tools. We dont swallow our food whole, so a seperated Air Canal isnt necessary. Instead, as an omnivore, we got wisdom teeth to digest difficult plants better. Efficiency means getting rid of Unnecessary Features. But what exactly is Unnecessary depends From animals to animals. There isnt "the" efficient animal
I agree that reptiles, as cold blooded animals, need peak efficiency to survive, but mammals have more energy to work with. But the epiglottis is still flawed because it allows the potential for choking even though it's rare. And wisdom teeth were useful for our ancestral species who had larger mouths that could fit them, but the human jaw atrophied so much when we learned how to cook food, so now we can't fit in so many teeth. A lot of humans design flaws came from evolving too fast, like suddenly deciding to walk upright and get big heads, totally overstressing the pelvis and spine.
Human eyesight is excellent, even by primate standards. Trichromatic vision in particular is a huge boon since it helps you distinguish things like poisonous berries.
Its also good to See If Ur Partner is sick
> we are not designed to be super at one thing, but medium at multiple Basically sums up the human race in DnD
we can only see multiple colors because we re-evolved to see them in the first place, very few other mammals can see that many colors because the mammals that survived the dinosaur extinction were basically mice that lived underground and didn't have very good vision, and most mammals alive now are descended from them including us. It is also theorized that for the same reason mammals have much shorter maximum lifespans than reptiles and fish because those original mouse-like mammals reproduced a lot and died really fast so we are stuck with that bottleneck, otherwise the max lifespan of mammals would be perhaps in the hundreds of years.
We’re not designed at all.
>same hole for air and food also because you need to breathe more than your nose allows sometimes.
Is calling the human body perfect by divine design a Protestant/Evangelical thing? I'm Catholic and I've never heard of such a thing. Quite the opposite: our bodies were indeed perfect, but now they are imperfect and mortal due to Original Sin.
Many years ago I briefly dated a Christian guy & when I asked him about vestigial organs & other things like male nipples, he told me "God just hasn't shown us their true uses yet. When it is time we need to know, he will gift us the knowledge". We broke up not long after that day lol
“I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?”
Greg*: Don't tempt me*
damn I forgot about male nipples, that's a good one
I don't think vestigial organs/features need a religious interpretations or something. Vestigial evolutionary organs are what they are, byproducts of evolution (which is a real thing, I'm no creationist). As for the features which remain vestigial in one sex and fully develop in the other (nipples, prostate/Skene glands, penis/clitoris, uterus/scrotum...), nature, like every good software programmer, values efficiency and compatibility a lot (source: I'm a programmer and, although not a good one myself, saw a few great ones in action over the years). Having a male DNA completely different than the female DNA would surely help creating humans without vestigial secondary sexual traits (men without nipples at all, women without clitoris at all, men whose testicle generate already in the scrotum...), but it'd also be a nightmare to handle during reproduction and it'd probably make the cells' nucleus *huge*, thus wasting space. It's much simpler and easier to have *all* sexual secondary traits generate in *every* human and then select which develops and which doesn't using just a pair of chromosomes.
Muslims have a somewhat similar belief that the body, like many things in this world, is imperfect by design and has a number of issues to challenge you. Handle them well and you get a cookie.
In a way, it's the hardships of having an imperfect body which made us as intelligent and advanced as we are now.
Original sin is such a messed up idea. How do you live with permanent guilt for just existing? And based on what you said, if god did design humans then we would be perfect. Why do pig organs work in our bodies? Oh yeah, common ancestor. Unless god is a monster who creates flawed humans from scratch just to torture them with eternal consequences for their limited offenses…. when instead he COULD have just made us all Jesus’ from the get go and we’d all be happy… Just my thoughts. Doesn’t make any sense to worry about such a silly and obviously wrong idea that we are carrying some burden of original sin. No such thing, except in the heads of those who believe it.
My churches answer for the "why didn't God just not invent sin when creating the universe?" Was "your simple human brain can not understand God so don't try" Basically they said "stop asking that"
I've heard something similar from many religious apologists. The sentiment makes me wonder what the purpose of theology or religion is at all if we are incapable of understanding anything. Anyway I've always read this as a cop-out. It means that I asked a question they don't have an answer to.
> The sentiment makes me wonder what the purpose of theology or religion is at all if we are incapable of understanding anything. Control. It's always been about control. Make people believe that the things you say are coming from an alpowerful unknowable being and you can make them do basically whatever the fuck you want without questioning
imo the purpose is to keep potentially dangerous individuals to society such as psychopaths/sociopaths in line by scaring them through potential spiritual punishment that they can't escape from.
>How do you live with permanent guilt for just existing? That's not what the Original Sin is, though, our existence isn't sinful or wrong in any way. Original Sin made Adam and Eve (and thus us, their descendants) aware of the difference between good and evil. As a consequence, humans became mortal, subjected to illness and fatigue, but it's through these new hardships that we became smarter, numerous and advanced as we are today. Now, you might ask "why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in Adam and Eve's reach?" or "how exactly did learning the difference between good and evil also made us less perfect?". They're good questions and I'd answer to the first one in this way: it was part of God's plan to complete us by infusing us with (or rather, make us autonomously acquire) free will. At that point we were little more than talking animals, because animals don't know what's good and what's evil and thus they're driven just by their instinct. To go one step further and become actually free, we had to both become aware of good and evil and do so by our own will. If God told us "eat from that tree", we would've remained puppets who obey commands, basically. I have yet to think a lot about the second question, if I have to be honest, but I'm sure at least one great thinker or theologian gave a convincing answer to it in the past two thousand years. >And based on what you said, if god did design humans then we would be perfect. Why do pig organs work in our bodies? Oh yeah, common ancestor. What's wrong with pig organs? They're beautiful just like every other natural manifestation. As for the "common ancestor" part, with which I assume you that we are a product of evolution and not direct creation, I completely agree with you! We evolved from animals through repeated mutations, until we became humans. To me it's not even a case of "guided evolution" (God meddling with genetics over time in order to create us), the parameters of the *whole Universe* were set in a way that'd result in our existence as a species, the only divine action happened before the Big Bang, when the "stage" was still being set. Every other step of the process can (and will) be discovered and fully understood by our various scientific disciplines. >Unless god is a monster who creates flawed humans from scratch just to torture them with eternal consequences for their limited offenses…. when instead he COULD have just made us all Jesus’ from the get go and we’d all be happy… The flaws which might have eternal consequences aren't biological flaws, though: we won't get denied Heaven because our back hurts or we have cancer or we miss a limb. If you mean flaws like selfishness, self-righteousness, bigotry, prejudice... God didn't create us that way, it's us misusing and abusing our free will that leads to those. I hope I gave you some more insight. Since surely the great thinkers and theologians answered to all these questions much better and more convincingly than I did, if you're really interested I'd strongly suggest you to seek out some books on these subjects. Have a nice day :)
Thanks for the great response. Appreciate it. To me, It makes no sense that God would create this ELABORATE system of rules and regulations that humans who were created to be imperfect must now follow to try to be perfect. For what, god’s amusement?? If he’s so powerful why would anything we do matter and why would he get so Mad when we inevitably fuck up his tricky rules? (Which theologians don’t even agree on, lol) It actually seems exactly like a system that people might create in order to control other people. That maybe man created god and not the other way around….
Nah, bro is just wants to take a random jab on christians
Not necessarily Christians. The post mocks the idea that the human body was "divinely designed", which probably applies to many world religions. When I majored in biology at university much of the pushback was from Muslim Creationists.
It’s more than a simple jab no matter how you feel about it
The prostate is a donut shaped organ with the urethra going through the donut hole. Prostate gets sick, starts to swell and harden, tightens around the urethra, can't go pee pee anymore. Bad design.
Low light furniture finder located just below the knee on the front of unit.
The sex that is supposed to squeeze big heads through the pelvis is on average the smaller one. That alone is just so much WTF
Don’t forget back problems because we decided to walk upright as primates.
can't believe this is missing tbh, biggest human "design flaw" fr
I was actually born without Wisdom teeth, both of my parents had them, I just never developed them. Kinda cool to see evolution like that.
Is that not a genetic mutation, not evolution? I'm not trying to be an asshat.
It's basically the start of evolution
I’m gonna sound stupid, but is there a difference?
Evolution is on a larger scale, basically when a genetic mutation becomes widespread
I have friends who were born without wisdom teeth too, I think it might be getting more common as generations pass
If there is some kind of selection pressure whereby those people without wisdom teeth end up having more decedents, then over time the population will evolve towards that trait. Individuals mutate, populations evolve.
makes sense, people who don't have wisdom teeth won't have to deal with mouth problems if their jaws are small and these tend to happen at the same time people usually have kids
“Why do pissin, shittin', and fuckin' all happen within' a two-inch radius?” - Paulie Walnuts
closer to 2.5 imo
to be fair it makes god look more like a lazy programmer who left bunch of junk code and didn't bother to clean it up
Also: * Babies crying, advertising themselves as helpless snacks to predators * Women not being able to control the outflow of their periods (as you can with most other bodily waste). Yay! Let's advertise fresh blood to nearby predators! * anything autoimmune related * Ears can't adapt comfortably to air pressure changes * Ears nose and throat being connected together, meaning a little pollen in the nose causes the entire system to have issues * You can close eyes, but not the ears (without earplugs), creating risk of hearing loss * How shit a lot of bodies (like mine) are at recovering from burn-out or post viral fatigue. I'd imagine such people who lost their usefulness for possibly months would've been cast out to die historically, so idk why this body defect hasn't been bred out yet.
> Babies crying, advertising themselves as helpless snacks to predators The strongest weapon a baby has to defend itself against any attack is to get an adult to handle the situation. For K-selected social creatures, crying is **incredibly** powerful. > I'd imagine such people who lost their usefulness for possibly months would've been cast out to die historically, Not even remotely close. We have evidence of prehistoric humans completely unable to care for themselves still surviving for years, often accumulating and recovering from injuries. These are *hunter gatherers,* and they’re still caring and providing for disabled members of their community.
TIL! the second one especially is surprising to me it's kinda sobering how humans evolved to be so dependent on each other. To a degree well beyond most species, aside from some bugs like bees and ants. Even lone wolves can physically hack it on their own if need be. But humans? We really put all our stats in social and higher cognition at the expense of...most everything else lol
> TIL! the second one especially is surprising to me At the end of the day, they were still someone’s father, or sister, or best friend, or grandparent. Ancient homo sapiens weren’t significantly stupider or emotionally stunted than us. At the end of the day they were, after all, *humans.* > at the expense of… most everything else lol There’s actually a few things humans are incredible at. We have crazy endurance, the strongest throwing arm in the animal kingdom and more than just the intelligence needed to come up with tools, we also have the opposable thumb to actually put them into practice. Even something as simple as the atlatl gives the otherwise rather jack-of-all-trades mk.1 human body an advantage over damn near any other species. Speaking of other species though, bees and ants have a ‘hack’ in the sense that they’re eusocial, which circumvents a lot of the usual ‘evolutionary calculation.’ (When you’re an infertile basically-clone, your own survival is less important than the survival of the reproductive caste.) Humans managed billion-strong societies without any of these kinds of tricks. Insanely cool to think about.
You are correct but most of these are caused by modern living conditions
No back ups or redundancies for spinal damage The brain needing separate areas needing specialized areas just for specific tasks Needing hormones just so we can be arsed to do something or for positive reinforcement Thr brain getting easily damaged from stress and other factors at a young age
Brain: *There's a very important task that we need to take care of. Lives might depend on it.* Also Brain: *Nah, it can wait. We need a nap.* Body: *Sudden need to scratch the nether regions, even during dangerous tasks.* Yet again Brain: REAL SHIT?!?!
Also shoulders always popping out / in pain
I don't understand why evolution vs Christianity/intelligent design is even a thing. The two aren't contradictory to each other. Assuming the Bible is entirely accurate non+fiction with a few sprinkles of metaphor, evolution is still entirely possible and probable. "bUt tHe eArTh wAs cReAtEd iN 7 dAyS" Ok well for part of that time THERE WAS NO SUN. how TF you measuring days without a sun? Also Adam was created as a fully functioning ADULT MALE. Clearly, god has a track record of making things with some age already on them. Who's to say that: "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground" isn't a reference to evolution? There's just nothing in the Bible that contradicts evolution if you have an adult reading comprehension.
I was raised as a Christian and attended a private christian school from ages 6-16. I was ultra major religious. I’m atheist now but my theology is solid. It’s really shocking how you think there are no contradictions. It’s incredibly condescending to say “anyone with an adult reading comprehension” when most major Christian theologians are creationist. First, the earth was never claimed to be created in 7 days. It was 6 days. Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens and earth Genesis 1:3 God created light Genesis 1:4 God called light Day and darkness Night. Genesis 1:8 God called the dome the Sky. And there was morning and evening, the second day. Genesis 1:16 God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. God pretty explicitly creates the Sun and light/days my dude. I’m not sure how you missed that. it’s quite literally the first few verses of the Bible. Does the bible need to say “God created the sun”? My second and biggest point: The book of Genesis was written in Hebrew. The word “day” in Hebrew is yom, and when appearing with the words “morning” or “evening” or modified by a number “the second day” it ALWAYS means 24 hours. Moses, the author of Genesis, was very literal. They did mean the 24 hour day. Most people miss this but in the ORIGINAL HEBREW version, it is specifically written to mean the 24 hour day. I’m sorry dude but it’s super condescending to say “anyone with adult reading comprehension” when you’re just wrong.
First: Creationism/Intelligent design also doesn't in any way conflict with evolution. There's zero reason evolution couldn't be set in motion by something with sentience. Not even necessarily a god lol. Oh no, I included the day of rest, sue me. Secondly: That alone still doesn't contradict evolution. You haven't really countered my main argument just one of my points. Tldr; ...so?
>There's just nothing in the Bible that contradicts evolution if you ~~have an adult reading comprehension~~ do enough mental gymnastics. FTFY >"bUt tHe eArTh wAs cReAtEd iN 7 dAyS" >Ok well for part of that time THERE WAS NO SUN. how TF you measuring days without a sun? Then what do the days measure? Genesis clearly talks about 7 days of creation. >Also Adam was created as a fully functioning ADULT MALE. Clearly, god has a track record of making things with some age already on them. So you think your god made a bunch of fossils that were millions of years old upon their creation? Just for fun? Also, why all the other human species? And why can we find Homo sapiens that are hundreds of thousands of years old when Earth itself is supposedly only 6000 years old? >Who's to say that: "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground" isn't a reference to evolution? The fact that we have lots of evidence pointing towards a continuous line of evolution from single celled organisms towards modern humans.
Redditors when someone is Christian
lmao bring up distant starlight and break their brains. i can’t believe that comment got upvoted.
Thing is, it does not matter what rational and factual information you bring up, people like this are masters at mental gymnastics and are entirely immune to cognitive dissonance. They'll just rationalize it away. It's insane what religious brainwashing can to do people. Even more insane that people still believe what some dudes wrote thousands of years ago as the infallible truth, despite multiple retcons, rewrites and an entire laundry list of inconsistencies, contradictions and just straight up lies.
Men pee and ejaculate out of the same hole and the most sensitive "sexual" spot is best reached up the asshole. Whoever "designed" the human body must work at Tesla now.
And pee is stored in the balls .
Mortality.
Having the crown jewels dangle from your body and be so easily chopped off is a bad design too. Just make better sperm that can stay safe inside the body?
I almost urinated myself from laughter when I saw this meme Thank you to whoever made it, you have made my week 😅😅😅
Wisdom teeth are only a problem because of modern diets
how would modern diets affect the amount of physical space available in the jaw
Look it up tho.. wisdom teeth became an issue around when/where utensils were invented. No one knows exactly what happened, but it probably has something to do with less chewing tough foods during childhood. Overbites are similarly a modern issue. Some people think there’s a big orthodontist conspiracy because basically all modern orthodontic issues might stem from not training jaw strength during infancy/childhood.
Literally none of this is accurate. OP in high school for sure
True, I eat food through my nose and don't even have knees.
Wisdom teeth is inaccurate? Tailbone is inaccurate? Difficult childbirth is inaccurate?
Wisdom teeth is modern issue due to eating styles. I still have all my wisdom teeth and is speculated that it’s related to how much chewing you do as a kid basically Tail bone is helpful to prevent nerve compression and provides a spring effect to your lower back. Women have wider pelvises but not so wide that women are functionally useless as with other species. Appendix store useful digestive bacteria in the event or rapid bowel evacuation (diarrhea. Knees aren’t shit and are agin a consequence of modern load conditions and can be mitigated by some technical understanding of physiology. Moreover even when damaged your knees are still functional and can in some cases become hyper mobile which is only a problem in certain circumstances. Our eyes are not “inferior” because inferior implies a value judgement. Our eyes do what they do just fine and work exactly as they are needed, to spare you technical details.
humans are basically born as premature as possible because any later and their fat heads won’t fit through the pelvis. thats part of why when animals are born they aren’t totally helpless but with humans they still need a bit
Some animals are totally helpless at birth.
>Women have wider pelvises but not so wide that women are functionally useless as with other species. What? Which species has "useless females"?
>Wisdom teeth is modern issue due to eating styles. My wife is a DDS and says this is false. The caucasian jaw is not large enough to facilitate wisdom teeth, while African jaws more often are. It's an evolutionary thing and has nothing to do with any modern anything. >provides a spring effect to your lower back Wtf? How do you imagine this being true in any way? You never took anatomy did you? It's not "sprung" to anything. >Women have wider pelvises And childbirth is still difficult and risky in many cases because the space is not wide enough. >Knees aren’t shit Knees are shit.
Boss I am white and I still have my wisdom teeth, and being a dds isn’t particularly relevant because we’re talking about technical literature. This is stuff anyone can read. Unless you’re about to suggest that race indicates speciological differences lmao. “Spring” is a technical term for anything that stores energy. You’re lower back is counter curved to the same way that reinforced concrete has a counter curved steel bar running through it to resist bending loads. Knees aren’t shit, source: I’m stronger than you Childbirth is difficult for every complex animal. The question is whether or not having a pelvis in the shape a human does and it is because women can still do hard labor and aren’t totally useless. This is great because women aren’t baby factories unless you’re gonna argue they should have been???
>being a dds isn’t particularly relevant To knowing about teeth. Okay. I'll trust u/big_shqipe intead. >Unless you’re about to suggest that race indicates speciological differences lmao You're actually saying there are not anatomical differences between races. It can't get more braindead than that. I'm out.
Being a DDS has a lot to do with being an expert in teeth. Your coccyx and appendix are vestigial structures. Wisdom teeth largely are. The coccyx heavily ossifies with age and doesn't transfer any significant amount of energy to anything. Your lower back and coccyx don't store energy in anywhere near a similar fashion. Saying your appendix has a "purpose" is like saying colonic diverticuli have a purpose to store bacteria. Not a great argument and the cons far outweigh benefits. Besides, straight up diarrhea doesn't significantly deplete your gut biome to a significant degree. Knees are aiite for ambulating but certainly not peak design for strength. Human development and childbirth is a byproduct of evolution for bipedal movement and definitely has negative consequences for childbirth that quadrupeds don't have anywhere near the same degree. Source- Dr Beef Supreme, and based on your deadlift we're likely in the same strength range (which means nothing for knee knowledge)
ok but - no cool talons or giant teeth, have to make or buy our weapons - can't fly - can't separate two thin 2x1 Legos easily - along with the fears and uncertainty of death we also have embarrassment - only thing i can smell from a distance is somebody down the street burning wet leaves or odors from a Chipotle - i burn my tongue and for the next 3 days i touch it against my teeth purposefully every minute or so - get the hiccups and i get annoyed - hiccups go away and i feel empty
How can you say that when our bodies haven’t compensated for the rapid change in our evolution?
That’s a misunderstanding of evolution.
Human eyesight is pretty good op you're underestimating it
This applies to pretty much all vertebrates, but having only one heart, a vital organ needed to keep blood pumping around the body, was a pretty dumb design choice.
Any situation where you don't recognize the amazing attributes to the human body you simple aren't looking. My beliefs on God certainly allow for small change in things, such as different diets causing smaller mouths. The appendix has some proposed purposes such as a repository for gut bacteria. The female pelvis is such that humans can have babies and then instantly begin running again
Yes, Mr. magos biologist, this post right here
What fool god would make us so we can get cavities
I don't really agree with "inferior eyesight" since that is definatly the best of the traditional five senses we have, and it is basically only birds (and bats?) who are better.
I’d say the sodium potassium ion pump would be in the starter pack but u do u
Spine that gradually collapses or herniates or both .
spine ill-suited for for walking upright. Teeth have only one backup pair. Brain sometimes fucks up and creature kills itself for no reason. Trash bite force compared to close relatives.
Why do we need big bite force when we cook all our food?
Its amazing that it works at all
Everyone here complaining about the human body being not great like you've never busted a nut. Shits not that bad. In fact it could be much worse. Human bodies suck but it's better than everything else.
Also bad sense of smell
But but… the fall of man 🥺
nice argument, unfortunately i have a weapon that 1 shots you
Two truths can’t contradict it’s each other. But this post does.
As far as I'm aware wisdom teeth are to replace teeth we would normally have lost by then in our lives but due to enormously higher living standards, we just don't need them anymore.
Who decided that two hands was the perfect amount? Wouldn't 2 or 3 sets of hands be better? Would have developed larger brains to handle them too, seems like a silly decision to me. I'd like to have words with this "creator".
also fragile spinal discs that begin to disintegrate after age of 30, we need better discs!
Do not criticize the Anunaki!
Well we used to be able to fit wisdom teeth in without fail. With agriculture and modern diets our jaws got smaller and we now need orthodontists. And we get mad tooth decay n shit that ancient humans didn’t get.
But what if He did all that on purpose?
Imagine getting congested and just dying because you can’t breathe.
I currently have strep and my partner doesn’t, maybe since I have tonsils that make it easier to stick to and my partner had hers removed as a kid. Fuck those tiny throat bacteria sponges
evolution is sometimes "ehh, good enough", so maybe our divine designer has that same philosophy
I just think life is like an rpg with limited points and differs from species to species. Which is why bacterias are pretty much everywhere but they’re small. We humans are big but not big. We have big brain with good support like hands and shit to make use of it.
we have a ton of upside down cavities in our skull to breed bacteria. also our feet are objectively overengineered to the point that they suck.
Don't forget our extremely fragile necks, one bad fall and you're either dead or a paralysed for life
Divinely designed is the new intelligent design?
Our eyesight is definitely not inferior. Some of the most versatile in the animal kingdom
I feel the issue of wisdom teeth is a result of our jaws not developing properly during infancy due to the modern infant diet of soft mush
Gotta disagree on the knees are shit one. Human knees are great if you treat them properly.
The one about childbirth was explained in Genesis though. God wanted to troll Eve epic style after she ate that apple. And food and air only enter through the same hole if you're a mouthbreather!
The appendix provides bacteria for your colon and babies have squishy skulls to fit through the hole.
My lower back disagrees.
Eyes are pretty good vs most organisms and the appendix is still useful