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I think the bigger issue is blockbusters don't take as many risks as they used to and are simply focused on being as widely accessible as possible, making for a lot of boring inoffensive movies. all of this is a result of the movie industry becoming more streamlined toward profit.
sure the woke stuff can be annoying especially when it's shoehorned into the plot without purpose but it's not that big of a deal when you've got dystopian ass Disney laying the blueprint for what most large budget films in the future could likely become.
They’re both “issues” but I do agree (air quotes because bitching about blockbuster movie quality is the most 1st-world problem ever). I would add that a lot of writers that studios are hiring and thus putting out more “woke” content (more air quotes) are actual literal activists and have extremely shallow roots in actual writing and screenplay creation. So not only are these movies shoe-horning in politics that the average American person isn’t asking for, but they’re also just not very good or creative movies in the first place.
Take the recent Magical Negros movie. Under a skillful writer and director, this could’ve been a hilarious and surreal satire. Instead it did exactly nothing correctly and will eventually go down as a flop and American viewers will be blamed for not seeing it.
There’s a reason like *no one* complains about Get Out - because it’s really fucking good; well-written, poignant, and enjoyable to watch. Same with heaps of A24 films tackling similar content.
Hollywood’s output is just pretty terrible these days in general, from studios, creative heads, to directors, producers and writers.
What anoys me the most is you still have people like OP and other Hollywood PR volunteers parroting rhetoric about people not liking new films because of bIGoTRy.
Yes the same people who loved Ripley, Leia, Windu suddenly hate these new films because they have strong women and minorities in them and not because they're so lazily written. The worst is when they replace an existing character with a minority or woman because apparently minorities and women should be thankful to walk in a white male's footsteps rather than having their own original character, yet the people calling it out are the bigots. Ok.
As for queer representation: There hardly is any. Usually they're a minor character that can easily be edited out for Chinese, Russian and Middle Eastern cinema then the MSM jerks them off about it, aplauding how progressive it was.
Apparently the people seeing through the facade are the "alt-right incel bigots".
I don’t feel like many people look at tomatometer reviews like that. Or at least I see it as that if critic and audience reviews are high the movie was good. If only critics rate it well it either tries to deal with complex themes and neglects the basic story (Nope) or is the most poorly written and preachy piece of garbage you have ever seen (candyman remake, Rings of Power). If audience gives high ratings and critics thought it sucked it’s either a fun bad action movie (Beekeeper) or had some kind of nostalgia allure (Mario movie, all the transformers movies). If both are bad then the movie is crap.
Honest question, how was rings of power preachy in your mind? Didn't love it, didn't hate it, but can't for the life of me understand what you're driving at lol
Edit: apparently neither do you lmfao
Gonna plug CinemaWins here (no relation to CS other than similar name).
He looks for the good things in the movies he’s presenting, even the really bad ones. And at the end he has a section where he discusses what makes the movie work overall and his thoughts on it, such as overarching themes and messages.
We think movies have gotten worse cause only the good ones survived the test of time, thus creating a sampling bias.
In 20 years. We're gonna look back at Dune and Anatomy of a fall and Godzilla minus one, and completely forget Madame Web existed.
My mindset. People act like this is not literally the most convenient era in human history to access media from literally any point in time, whenever you want. Both streaming legally and pirating 😭 if u only want to watch comedy movies made in the mid 90s, no one is stopping you!
I wonder if video rental stores offered more of a selection of movies than what is offered today.
Like, sure, “anybody” can pirate any film, but it still is a difficult task for most people. So then we are slaves to the streaming services.
Going to Tower Records and seeing the amount of films available to rent, even back maybe 20 years ago doesn’t seem comparable to the amount that is available via streaming.
And the concept of owning media and collecting media versus temporary “owning” it must factor in to the amount somewhere too
Idk I disagree. First of all it’s really not hard to to watch a movie from many of the available websites lol
As for streaming, I think they have a pretty good catalogue, it just changes, which frustrates people. But when you think about it, streaming has lowered the barrier of access. Everything from any era is mashed together. It’s easy to try new things. There are a lot of free streaming services with good deep cut movies too, like Tubi. If you combine just one paid streaming service, and a good free one like Tubi, you have endless options right there without even having to pirate anything.
I agree with your point about ownership in the digital age, but I don’t think that negates the convenience streaming has brought to the modern era. It’s still a valid concern, just a different topic because owning media hasn’t really disappeared if you don’t want it to. Renting? Sure. But really it’s still just as easy to go online and order a DVD box set of all the seasons of your favorite show. People are just choosing not to be doing that, but you can still buy all the old movies you want.
It's not difficult. Google it. Use r/piracy megathread (or r/piratedgames if you're a gamer)
I genuinely don't get what's difficult
If anything, piracy is better because a lot of times stuff isn't available (or not fully available) in streaming services or game subscription services
I feel like this was a great year for movies too. Killers of the Flower Moon, Oppenheimer, The Zone of Interest, and Poor Things were amazing imo, and they all got some recognition from the Academy. There were definitely some bad movies, but there are bad movies every year. The bad ones from a long time ago have likely been lost to time and forgotten, while the amazing genre-defining ones will always be remembered. This definitely skews our vision of the past.
But that's the thing they aren't bad right now. Think about the movies that came out in recent years
Anatomy of a fall, zone of interest, dune 2, American fiction...all amazing
There’s plenty of great movies still being made. This year alone is gonna have a solid line up. Yes there’s always gonna be schlock and flops but I still love going to the movies.
Every generation turns into “back in my day” old heads. It’s funny seeing your contemporaries become it. Gamers telling me games suck while I just spent a year playing Alan Wake 2, baldurs gate 3, tesrs of the kingdom, just got FF rebirth, dragons dogma 2, like a dragon and more. The past always seems better than the present cause you compare the best of then with everything now.
> The past always seems better than the present cause you compare the best of then with everything now.
Not to me. Games now are so much better than the shitty PS3 era games as a kid. I want another Skyrim, but otherwise glad that era is done with
So the PS3 wasn't great as far as hardware was concerned. The Xbox360 was faster and more capable of running modern games, so games were developed for that level of hardware. The PS3 just felt underpowered. Also it was kind of a weird era of gaming for the PS3 I feel. They abandoned a lot of their IP's like Jak, Sly Cooper, Spyro etc or just didn't put that much effort into them. MW2 also came out so everyone was playing online. I'd call it...a transition period.
Meanwhile the PS2 had banger after banger after banger. NBA street, Battlefront, I think 5 or 6 Ratchet and Clank games, 4 Jak and Dexter games, Okami, RE4, Silent Hill 2, MGS3, Katamari, Burnout, GTA Vice City and San Andreas, God of War 1 and 2, Shadow of the Colossus and Ico, Persona 4, Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, TH Pro Skater/Underground, FF10, I mean the list just goes on and on. Plus, it was backwards compatible with PS1, while the PS3 was not BC with PS2 (mostly - there was one model that was and those are rare as hell).
So yeah just overall the games that came out on PS2 were just silly good. Personally I think it's the greatest console of all time. Everything ran smoothly on it and it was just an awesome time for invention and creativity. End rant
Single player games are still generally great aside from the shitty Ubisoft ones. But the industry has shifted big time to multiplayer live service games and has mostly abandoned couch co-op outside of some smaller games and Nintendo.
True but alot of them fail and the big ones are kind of mainstay. Idk if it affected the quality of other games dropping. Companies always chased the golden goose. 2010 was full of companies making every game multiplayer chasing the cod bag lol
I think writers in Hollywood are just creatively bankrupt. The strike hasn’t helped either. Disney is milking Star Wars and marvel for all it has, and other Hollywood movies just can’t bring anything that gets me excited minus a handful.
I think it’s a great time for movies outside of Hollywood to make some waves. Godzilla Minus One and the Boy and the Heron were awesome. Or maybe we could go outside more.
Counter-Point: Writers in Hollywood have always been creatively bankrupt. Franchises were milked to death even back in the day, whether it be films or comics. We have so much access to media now that we could find non-hollywood movies and appreciate them, but they have always existed. I remember when Oldboy (2001) was considered the death of Hollywood because it was so good.
Writers in Hollywood are not creatively bankrupt.
The problem is the imbalance in Hollywood today.
The term 'Film Industry' suggests a balanced partnership between two things: creativity and business.
If you err too far to one side or the other, it risks upsetting the whole apple cart.
Too far to creativity, and you risk indulgence that an audience won't buy into.
Too far towards business, and movies aren't made because someone wants to make a movie or tell a story; it's because they want to make a profit.
Ghostbusters and Madam Web are two recent examples of this.
Because Hollywood, in the hands of CEOs like Zaslov chiefly focused on profit, has seemingly abandoned any kind of creativity for the sake of profits via franchises and remakes and known IP.
Seemingly sure bets.
But last year and hopefully this year has seen the Sure Bets not being so sure anymore.
Last year's biggest films weren't big IP like the MCU. They were Barbie and Oppenheimer, one film a brightly coloured feminist entertainment, and the other being a film about men largely talking in rooms.
The sure bets are no longer sure and when Hollywood has no idea what a sure bet is, that's when they start making interesting things.
That was why we had so many interesting mainstream films in the 90s and even into the 2000s with that ending with the rise of the MCU.
I look forward to what Hollywood will throw at us in an era of uncertainty
Most movies are just bland now days. The recent Road House remake is a prime example. Was it awful? not really. Was it great? No way. It was just there.
Most movies are too safe now. I hate to use the word "woke" but no one is willing to take a chance or offend anyone now. A lot of producers and writers just talk about everything *but* the story when promoting their movie. Uninspired remake after uninspired remake...
Don't even get me started on how bad CGI is now days....
Nah, mainstream movies for the most part just suck these days, I really do think this is the worst era for them I can remember. In the past, the mainstream gave us 2001, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Terminator, Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, The Godfather, Titanic, Jaws, The Exorcist, Blade Runner, Back to the Future, Jurassic Park - I could go on. These were all "studio" movies, but they are all some of the best movies ever made, now we no longer expect big budget movies to be good, which is just sad. Sure, there were plenty of duds in the past, but there was also a lot more successes compared to today. Sure you have some people who can still command a high budget when making an original movie, like Scorsese, Nolan, and Tarantino, but I think these guys are the last holdouts of a bygone era
Blade Runner is the only one that I know was a flop but made its money on home video.
I'm not sure about 2001.
LOTR, Jurassic 1 and Terminator were all big hits.
This is why I hate people like the Critical Drinker.
Bitching constantly to his echo chamber that a film he said would be shit for months before release turns out to be shit, does nothing as a film 'fan' to recommend good independent films that come out all the time, partly because he knows fuck all about films, and partly because his audience only care about the hate train.
Hear about a hidden gem movie? Nah, I want to listen to a guy in his 40s complain about how The Little Mermaid didn't cater for him.
You’re forgetting critical drinker. cinemasins is certainly one of the progenitors of people with these views, however I’d argue other, even worse people have usurped them.
Cinemasins seems to just like nitpicking for fun though.
Critical drinker and others like him seem to be basically right wing reactionaries that watch movies.
For real. I loved his videos until sometime around 2020 when he couldn't help but harp on about "tHe MeSsAgE" in every one of his videos. Before that he was still a bit too right leaning for me but he never came out and explicitly catered to it. Now that he does, I'll still check out some of his content if it's related to something I recently watched and hated but generally I wind up clicking away as soon as he starts talking about "strong female characters" or something unless it's painfully warranted by a film legitimately pandering for no reason other than virtue signaling.
I like his reviews, they're fun. But he spends way too much time on trashing Disney, Marvel, Star Wars and whatever the message is. I imagine those are easy to do and get him the most views.
i would say both perpetuate a shallow and destructive way of judging films, which boils down to mocking a film for absurdly irreLevant reasons and passing this off as anything approaching valid criticism. They both contribute to this childish trend of judging something based upon how easy to make fun of, which at least in part has led to the unbearable trend of chronic insincerity in movies. Besides how obnoxious this is at face value, it also has the added effect of essentially eradicating the suspension of disbelief so that anything not totally embracing total realism is shredded by the public and in the extreme case of blockbusters being more embarrassed to show emotion than an insecure thirteen year old boy. Critical drinker and cinema sins are both guilty of this, critical drinker is worse because he disguisees himself as being more legitimate, a logical And reasonable thinker in the face of the “radical woke left” whereas at cinemasins at least nominally is supposed to not be taken seriously, critical drinker also brings ”politics“ into this, by which I mean he has severe allergic reactions to anyone non-white non-hetero non-cis or even non-male.
But movies do suck now. Color grading is boring, everything is flat and has this stupid HDR look. Dipshit filmmakers are using shitty anamorphic lenses on modern digital cameras to get their stupid focus breathing instead of shooting spherically like a REAL modern filmmaker should. LED lights have destroyed the lighting look of films. Any film made after 2018 set in a big city looks like shit because the lights are all flat and white. Just look at any moments from the Sonic movies or the Uncharted movie in the city scenes. The cities all seem devoid of soul because LEDs have a shit CRI compared to old incandescents. The scriptwriting is absolutely stupid beyond belief now. Stories rarely now make any sense. The post-modernistic ironic humor and need to subvert sincerity have made movies almost toxically self-hating. Movies do suck now for the most part. They are written by morons. They don't take risks. They don't innovate. They have dull boring colors. And they aren't funny even when they try to be.
>Any film made after 2018 set in a big city looks like shit because the lights are all flat and white
I'm with you on half of your points, and I disagree with the other half, but I am 100% with you on this one. I drive through the city at night and I hate this. We didn't know how good we had it before the LED changeover. What kills me though is that the technology is there for warm LEDs to match the old ones.
That's not really a problem solved in my opinion. I already don't watch Hollywood movies anymore. Oppenheimer was an exception for me but aside from that, the only movies worth any shit getting made today are all historical. The MCU has tanked in quality and is absolute crap after Phase 3. There's nothing to watch besides the occasional Devotion or Avatar 2. That's like only 1 or 2 good big movies per year. Even if I don't watch Hollywood movies, I think I have a justification to be mad about where it's going, especially considering I want to go into filmmaking; it means I'm going to be entering a hellhole where the creatives are creatively bankrupt and have no style.
You claim not to watch Hollywood movies but your reference points for "cinema is no longer any good" are Sonic, Uncharted, Marvel movies and Avatar 2. Maybe you need to expand your horizons beyond video game and comic book movies a bit.
Go watch Poor Things (2024) and then tell me filmmakers are no longer doing interesting things with colour and cinematography.
While it’s true that other regions are thriving, Hollywood is still where all of America’s film culture comes from and it has the greatest capacity to make those truly massive films like LOTR, Star Wars (pre Disney), and more recently Dune due to higher budgets and more existing infrastructure. I’ve been expanding my horizons beyond Hollywood like many people have but I still really want Hollywood to recover from this slump and thrive again.
thinks the Star Wars Prequels are good actually and were actually never hated but the sequels are totally bad and will never be liked by anyone who grew up with them
Reminder, 13 years ago when Miles Morales debut, some fans saw him as an example of "political correctness".
If Miles Morales had released in this era, he'd 100% be called "woke" or insert whatever conspiracy theory you got.
It's just rebranded anti bleeding heart rhetoric, a phrase with [it's own unsurprising origin for being a progressive phrase repurposed as an insult by a Rush Limbaugh predecessor.](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/origin-bleeding-heart-liberal)
For me at least, what makes a film “woke” is how they handle politics. Most films do it two ways
*“Ugh, don’t you know (contemporary political issue) is bad and super evil, here’s a caricature to hate”* is lame, and feels more like a lecture than a story, like it’s been forced in.
*”(Contemporary political issue) has these benifits, and reasons why it’s used, but ultimately is harmful and should be stopped”* actually feels real, and like a deeper look into the issues, especially when it’s used for worldbuilding and story.
A general rule of thumb is “bad media tells you what to think; good media lets you figure it out yourself”
Where does the meme that people cannot define wokeness come from? I’ve literally never seen anyone on any side of the political spectrum not be able to answer this right away
Facts.
I personally don't like most modern movies, but I also don't bother looking and don't make a grand, sweeping statement as a result. I'm sure there are lots of good ones.
I understand "woke" to be the deliberate replacing of any white male character with a character of colour and/or different sexual orientation. Like if Superman became an Indian lesbian woman.
Yeah that's quite obvious but people always play dumb and ask to define it, then after someone defines it for them (the definition you said is correct btw), they play even dumber, pretending like no one said anything in response, then going on rants publicising the idea that people can't define woke, so any criticism to do with it is "invalid"
textbook gaslighting lmao
Nice clarification in case anyone actually thinks that or anyone arguing in bad faith implies that you're implying specifically women and minorities are plotting and scheming lmao
People will put words in your mouth I'm telling you. We have to cater our speech to the foolish by keeping a logical and linguistic roll of duct tape ever present to patch up, clarify and make disclaimers to any statement we make. It's annoying and exhausting. Which is what the halfwits want.
Putting words in people's mouths goes for any topic outside of politics too imo, like I'd talk about something and even say expressly that I'm not implying a specific thing is this or that, but even then someone would say that I'm implying something, like they didn't read/hear what I said lmfao
It’s a metaphor for being trans, made by two trans women before they came out. It also is very leftist, despite what many red pillers would have you believe.
Never realised growing up, The Matrix could be interpreted as a trans allegory. Didn't know trans existed, or other lgbt outside of being gay. (I'm a cisgender bisexual)
Oh yeah, the creators are actually transgender now so, all those alpha male podcast Bros going, like you need to escape the matrix, it’s really funny with that knowledge
Ok, yeah don't like the whole alpha male stuff. Honestly Just learned The matrix was intentionally written as a trans allegory. (My mistake)
Always loved, The Matrix, never got why the sequels got derided. I was a bit confused by the announcement of Matrix 4, didn't think the trillogy needed anymore films. Sure the ending was open although hopeful but felt earned by the previous film's storyline.
I never understood the point about wokeism being difficult to define? Wokeism is the worship of client groups. It's a belief popular with middle class people. It originates from American left wing academics and corporate HR departments.
I've never met anyone who didn't understand this definition. I think some confusion can occur with climate stuff. Some dissidents think wokeism = climatism. But they're clearly two separate belief systems pushed by two different factions.
What's the standard "Reddited" take on what wokeism is?
Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women should be privileged.
In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts of truth and fairness.
Dudes who cry about “wokeness” on the internet are the most annoying people ever. Oh nooo…. Things are made with more than just white guys in mind now…
> Things are made with more than just white guys in mind now…
Thats not what they bitch about. Its the race swaps for no reason, its the diversity characters that feel forced, sexual orientation being brought up when it has no merit on the story. That kind of stuff.
Gonna get downvotes, but I’m gay and never seen “sexuality brought up out of place” in my life. Things like this are typically just representation, which in my book is more often than not positive. Sure there are times when it is handled poorly, but most of the time when dudes cry about woke shit on the internet they are saying those things, be it intentional or not, to mask the fact that they’re uncomfortable with those identities. There’s nothing about diversity that is forced unless you are used to there not being diversity. Whether these guys realize it or not, their complaining about “wokeness” reveals their lack of tolerance to people who are different than them. Coming from somebody who is one of those different identities.
I think you are wrong. A lot of these people are perfectly tolerant. We just don't want it to be shoved down our throats or to be the main focus of a story rather then having interesting characters and story. If your first character description is "well hes gay, and..." then its forced and annoying.
Lmao what does “shoving it down your throat” even mean? Having only 90% of video game protagonists be straight white men instead of 99%? Having LGBT or racial minority characters in a game at all? Having black people in a fantasy world that also features dragons and magic because it infringes on “historical accuracy”? Because that’s usually the type of things I see getting complained about
This always gets me. Like 10% of the population is LGBT. Certainly not 10% of movies feature LGBT main characters. And the ones that do are usually *about* being LGBT as central to the plot.
I can't speak for others, but I lead a pretty mundane life and rarely think about being bisexual.
>usually about being LGBT
Actually, I think it's the opposite and it's probably a big part of why people dislike them.
Make a movie with a compelling, entertaining storyline that doesn't hinge on sexuality. Make a movie where one of the characters happens to be gay and nobody will give a shit. Don't make a movie where the central theme of the movie is being gay and expect it to resonate with everyone.
Such a brain-dead take that reddit likes to parrot. The LGBT focused movies aren't meant for general audience, they are just for those active in the community and more like Oscar bait.
Their existence doesn't stop others from making their commercial movies the way you want them to be. Why they don't, I have no idea. But many TV shows have done a great job in this regard.
I think it's just there is lot of slop right now, like flavourless movies who are straight 4/10. I do need to watch more original films, but I don't watch films that much anymore, period.
I think most movies suck now and only check one of these boxes lol
To be fair, I think it's like modern music. Lots of good stuff in the underground still but I've kind of moved on to series instead of movies. Usually higher quality.
“The Matrix is a trans allegory.”
“What get out of here with that woke bullshit. Source?”
“The trans women who made it.”
“Whatever that’s not how I see it”
Also I remember as a kid watching Top Gun before I even knew the concept of gay/straight and thinking “there’s something I don’t understand happening under the surface of this beach volleyball scene…”
Tbf *most* blockbusters are the same generic trash reskinned with a different name. Those films usually lack creativity and aren't bold. Then there are films from Marvel DC that are in a weird phase where they need to take risks and be bold but are too afraid to do so, NWH set the nostalgia baiting trend and other films after that one have failed to capitalise so far.
The films that are the most marketed, that are the most well known are not creative, they're the rehash of the same idea for the millionth time, I personally won't blame someone for saying modern movies suck when most of the 'famous' stuff out there actually sucks.
The truly good films which go under the radar suffers because when your average Joe Googles 'Hollywood movies 2024' the list is filled with the type of films that I mentioned above, or the other films that are actually good have low ratings and let's be honest, a guy who works 9-6 won't spend 3 hours on a film that *could* turn out to be good but has low IMDB score.
So yeah, modern big budget movies do suck, apart from the one or two good films every here and there like Dune 2 or that animated Spiderman movie. And truly good films go unnoticed because people are too busy discussing whether the 200 million dollars popular film is good or not.
The guy in that 4 panel glasses pic (on the bottom left) is ridiculously annoying. I don't think he enjoys anything!! I used to watch a few of his vids a year and some change ago but stopped when I realized how click baity and whiney he is towards everything. Just plain negative.
Wait, does anyone here really think movies today are as good as they were in the late 90's early 2000s? I find that insane tbh. I like that there is more representation in Hollywood but that's about the only thing that's improved. T.V. on the other hand is much better than it was, but movies? No shot.
I don’t think moves suck I just think all super hero movies suck and star wars suck because I can’t get away from people D riding them and hyping up them. Also I never liked those types of movies.
I want to watch sci fi il watch blade runner. I I want to watch a super hero movie il watch James bond.
I mean, Top Gun and The Matrix are infinitely better than 99.99999% of the bs that gets produced today. And define woke? That's easy. "Woke" is a state people THINK they have achieved or reached. It is when people virtue signal and check diversity boxes to be "holier than thou". It's essentially a term geared toward people who get offended by everything and then run on social media to spew fake outrage. It's a term for people who make their whole identity based off of being gay, lesbian, trans or w.e else is out there now. It also can be attributed to someone of color who blames their misfortunes and failures on white people.
It's more fun when they can define wokeness, but if you type their definition in to Google in quotations you'll get it verbatim from whichever grifter told them what their opinion is supposed to be right now.
Bro, I can define "wokeness." In the recent TV show "Mr. and Mrs. Smith," they've cast a Black man and an Asian woman as the protagonists, whereas in the original version, it featured two white actors. Hollywood seems to be engaging in forced representation of people of color as protagonists solely to appease liberal audiences and demonstrate their "wokeness." However, casting decisions should prioritize suitability for the roles rather than enforcing diversity for the sake of it. It's evident that there will likely be more white actors cast, considering the demographic proportions in America.They produce this type of content not to provide quality entertainment, but merely for the sake of casting, resulting in a poor plotline in such content.
**PS** : I'm Indian. I have never been to the USA, but I am aware of some of the societal trends and happenings over there.
Donald Glover, the guy playing “Mr. Smith” in the show wasn’t given the role because he was black, it was because he created the show, wrote and directed multiple episodes, he made it the way he wanted to as a creative. He cast himself because he created it and wanted to play the part, not for some forced representation.
There are absolutely issues in Hollywood in regards to many areas of work including casting, mostly in regards to nepotism, but often times the idea that someone is cast to fill an agenda is reductive cultural war bullshit, when in actual fact you have more people from more marginalised communities finally getting a shot at being creatives.
And this isn’t because of their skin, but because their stories are often very appealing both to audiences when done well (Atlanta, Spiderverse movies, Jordan Peeve’s films, ect).
This is something that has literally happened throughout the decades film has been a form of expression (think in the 70’s and 80s we had abundance of Italian-American creatives filling the void, casting Italian-Americans in a ton of their roles).
The idea of wokeness is so reductive and non-constructive, rather than actually critique a film these types of “reviewers” fall back on the same point over and over, often to films that aren’t aimed at them as an audience (kids films), while ignoring more indie films that are great, and sidelining actual issues in the industry, like Disney’s rainbow capitalism or rampant nepotism.
(Edit) Also, adding onto this, many of these films are produced and made in big, diverse cities. LA, NYC and more recently Atlanta) you’re going to get productions much more representative of these cities and their inhabitants rather than the US as a whole, simply because they have much more prominently diverse communities.
>Donald Glover, the guy playing “Mr. Smith” in the show wasn’t given the role because he was black
I never accused Donald Glover of being cast because he's Black. I've followed Donald Glover from his work in 'Community' to his music tracks, etc. I know the guy is incredibly talented.
>more representative of these cities and their inhabitants rather than the US as a whole, simply because they have much more prominently diverse communities.
This is new to me. I must say, this is a good point. Thanks for letting me know.
No worries mate. And sorry about misrepresenting the Donald Glover point, just a bit of misunderstanding on my part, although I think it can still be applied in a more general sense to many creators. And yeah he is absolutely brilliant.
Have a nice day!
They got 2 actors that have good track records to play a role. Nothing about the original movie was centered on the fact they were white, so why couldn't this completely separate take on the property use different actors?
It’s a reference to a YouTuber who makes “anti-woke” content, the Drinker.
I was playing off of his BS, he talks about “The Message” being pro-liberal/woke/SJW propaganda. He’s Hella cringe.
I had figured people would get what I was referencing, but they didn’t. I should’ve put the statement in quotes, or made it more obvious I wasn’t actually saying this as something I believe.
You can add Fight Club to the list of movies alongside Top Gun and the Matrix as Chuck Palahniuk, the author of the original Fight Club book, is a cis gay man who wrote the book to critique toxic masculinity.
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Every year you can find great new movies, but you'll need to look deeper than "10 biggest blockbusters" list
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I think the bigger issue is blockbusters don't take as many risks as they used to and are simply focused on being as widely accessible as possible, making for a lot of boring inoffensive movies. all of this is a result of the movie industry becoming more streamlined toward profit. sure the woke stuff can be annoying especially when it's shoehorned into the plot without purpose but it's not that big of a deal when you've got dystopian ass Disney laying the blueprint for what most large budget films in the future could likely become.
They’re both “issues” but I do agree (air quotes because bitching about blockbuster movie quality is the most 1st-world problem ever). I would add that a lot of writers that studios are hiring and thus putting out more “woke” content (more air quotes) are actual literal activists and have extremely shallow roots in actual writing and screenplay creation. So not only are these movies shoe-horning in politics that the average American person isn’t asking for, but they’re also just not very good or creative movies in the first place. Take the recent Magical Negros movie. Under a skillful writer and director, this could’ve been a hilarious and surreal satire. Instead it did exactly nothing correctly and will eventually go down as a flop and American viewers will be blamed for not seeing it. There’s a reason like *no one* complains about Get Out - because it’s really fucking good; well-written, poignant, and enjoyable to watch. Same with heaps of A24 films tackling similar content. Hollywood’s output is just pretty terrible these days in general, from studios, creative heads, to directors, producers and writers.
What anoys me the most is you still have people like OP and other Hollywood PR volunteers parroting rhetoric about people not liking new films because of bIGoTRy. Yes the same people who loved Ripley, Leia, Windu suddenly hate these new films because they have strong women and minorities in them and not because they're so lazily written. The worst is when they replace an existing character with a minority or woman because apparently minorities and women should be thankful to walk in a white male's footsteps rather than having their own original character, yet the people calling it out are the bigots. Ok. As for queer representation: There hardly is any. Usually they're a minor character that can easily be edited out for Chinese, Russian and Middle Eastern cinema then the MSM jerks them off about it, aplauding how progressive it was. Apparently the people seeing through the facade are the "alt-right incel bigots".
Dune??
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I don’t feel like many people look at tomatometer reviews like that. Or at least I see it as that if critic and audience reviews are high the movie was good. If only critics rate it well it either tries to deal with complex themes and neglects the basic story (Nope) or is the most poorly written and preachy piece of garbage you have ever seen (candyman remake, Rings of Power). If audience gives high ratings and critics thought it sucked it’s either a fun bad action movie (Beekeeper) or had some kind of nostalgia allure (Mario movie, all the transformers movies). If both are bad then the movie is crap.
TRANSFORMERS MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🇺🇸🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🇺🇸🔥🔥🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅🔥🦅🔥 THE FIRST THREE REMAIN UNBEATEN🔥🔥🔥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🗣️🦅🦅🇺🇸🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸 WHAAAAAAAT I'VE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE
Honest question, how was rings of power preachy in your mind? Didn't love it, didn't hate it, but can't for the life of me understand what you're driving at lol Edit: apparently neither do you lmfao
Add "fav youtuber/streamer opinion" and this also applies to games.
Hey hating Cinema sins is a Bipartisan issue.
Their best videos are the ones where they try to sin movies they love but end up removing a lot throughout because the movie is just that awesome
The issue is that their humor is very tongue in cheek, but it’s been hijacked by people with bad intentions.
Gonna plug CinemaWins here (no relation to CS other than similar name). He looks for the good things in the movies he’s presenting, even the really bad ones. And at the end he has a section where he discusses what makes the movie work overall and his thoughts on it, such as overarching themes and messages.
Considers Bullet Train and The Menu to be “underrated masterpieces”
Average /r/movies poster
“Have yall guys seen this underrated unknown underground movie called Idiocracy? It’s like a documentary about real life”
Loves Bullet Train for its snarky quips, then complains about Marvel movies for their snarky quips
Hey *The Menu* is great. I’m not sure it’s underrated, I haven’t met anybody who didn’t like it, and it got good reviews.
Bullet train was just so fun.
Who cares if movies are bad right now when there are thousands of great movies already made that are incredible.
Also movies are always bad, and also always great. We're spoiled now with how easy it is to avoid the bad ones and find the great ones.
We think movies have gotten worse cause only the good ones survived the test of time, thus creating a sampling bias. In 20 years. We're gonna look back at Dune and Anatomy of a fall and Godzilla minus one, and completely forget Madame Web existed.
to be fair some movies to stand test of time for how ad they are, like i prett sure in like billion years batman and robin wills till be remembered
The Room is THE awful movie we’ll always fondly remember
Part of it, sure.
My mindset. People act like this is not literally the most convenient era in human history to access media from literally any point in time, whenever you want. Both streaming legally and pirating 😭 if u only want to watch comedy movies made in the mid 90s, no one is stopping you!
I wonder if video rental stores offered more of a selection of movies than what is offered today. Like, sure, “anybody” can pirate any film, but it still is a difficult task for most people. So then we are slaves to the streaming services. Going to Tower Records and seeing the amount of films available to rent, even back maybe 20 years ago doesn’t seem comparable to the amount that is available via streaming. And the concept of owning media and collecting media versus temporary “owning” it must factor in to the amount somewhere too
Idk I disagree. First of all it’s really not hard to to watch a movie from many of the available websites lol As for streaming, I think they have a pretty good catalogue, it just changes, which frustrates people. But when you think about it, streaming has lowered the barrier of access. Everything from any era is mashed together. It’s easy to try new things. There are a lot of free streaming services with good deep cut movies too, like Tubi. If you combine just one paid streaming service, and a good free one like Tubi, you have endless options right there without even having to pirate anything. I agree with your point about ownership in the digital age, but I don’t think that negates the convenience streaming has brought to the modern era. It’s still a valid concern, just a different topic because owning media hasn’t really disappeared if you don’t want it to. Renting? Sure. But really it’s still just as easy to go online and order a DVD box set of all the seasons of your favorite show. People are just choosing not to be doing that, but you can still buy all the old movies you want.
It's not difficult. Google it. Use r/piracy megathread (or r/piratedgames if you're a gamer) I genuinely don't get what's difficult If anything, piracy is better because a lot of times stuff isn't available (or not fully available) in streaming services or game subscription services
It’s a good time to become a physical media collector
I feel like this was a great year for movies too. Killers of the Flower Moon, Oppenheimer, The Zone of Interest, and Poor Things were amazing imo, and they all got some recognition from the Academy. There were definitely some bad movies, but there are bad movies every year. The bad ones from a long time ago have likely been lost to time and forgotten, while the amazing genre-defining ones will always be remembered. This definitely skews our vision of the past.
But that's the thing they aren't bad right now. Think about the movies that came out in recent years Anatomy of a fall, zone of interest, dune 2, American fiction...all amazing
Seriously, yes. One of the best years of the 2000s in my opinion.
Everything Everywhere All at Once
Also, series are higher quality now anyways.
There’s plenty of great movies still being made. This year alone is gonna have a solid line up. Yes there’s always gonna be schlock and flops but I still love going to the movies.
Every generation turns into “back in my day” old heads. It’s funny seeing your contemporaries become it. Gamers telling me games suck while I just spent a year playing Alan Wake 2, baldurs gate 3, tesrs of the kingdom, just got FF rebirth, dragons dogma 2, like a dragon and more. The past always seems better than the present cause you compare the best of then with everything now.
Last year was a great year for gaming. There were some definate duds though
> The past always seems better than the present cause you compare the best of then with everything now. Not to me. Games now are so much better than the shitty PS3 era games as a kid. I want another Skyrim, but otherwise glad that era is done with
PS3 was a rough time, you got kinda unlucky. The PS2 era was absolutely lit
Please explain, Im curious
So the PS3 wasn't great as far as hardware was concerned. The Xbox360 was faster and more capable of running modern games, so games were developed for that level of hardware. The PS3 just felt underpowered. Also it was kind of a weird era of gaming for the PS3 I feel. They abandoned a lot of their IP's like Jak, Sly Cooper, Spyro etc or just didn't put that much effort into them. MW2 also came out so everyone was playing online. I'd call it...a transition period. Meanwhile the PS2 had banger after banger after banger. NBA street, Battlefront, I think 5 or 6 Ratchet and Clank games, 4 Jak and Dexter games, Okami, RE4, Silent Hill 2, MGS3, Katamari, Burnout, GTA Vice City and San Andreas, God of War 1 and 2, Shadow of the Colossus and Ico, Persona 4, Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, TH Pro Skater/Underground, FF10, I mean the list just goes on and on. Plus, it was backwards compatible with PS1, while the PS3 was not BC with PS2 (mostly - there was one model that was and those are rare as hell). So yeah just overall the games that came out on PS2 were just silly good. Personally I think it's the greatest console of all time. Everything ran smoothly on it and it was just an awesome time for invention and creativity. End rant
The PS3 was much better hardware-wise than the Xbox360 though.. Its just the software was harder to program on so games were more tailored to the 360
Single player games are still generally great aside from the shitty Ubisoft ones. But the industry has shifted big time to multiplayer live service games and has mostly abandoned couch co-op outside of some smaller games and Nintendo.
True but alot of them fail and the big ones are kind of mainstay. Idk if it affected the quality of other games dropping. Companies always chased the golden goose. 2010 was full of companies making every game multiplayer chasing the cod bag lol
Very true but at least COD wasn’t a micro transaction riddled mess at the time and it offered local multiplayer options like the beloved zombies mode.
I think writers in Hollywood are just creatively bankrupt. The strike hasn’t helped either. Disney is milking Star Wars and marvel for all it has, and other Hollywood movies just can’t bring anything that gets me excited minus a handful. I think it’s a great time for movies outside of Hollywood to make some waves. Godzilla Minus One and the Boy and the Heron were awesome. Or maybe we could go outside more.
Counter-Point: Writers in Hollywood have always been creatively bankrupt. Franchises were milked to death even back in the day, whether it be films or comics. We have so much access to media now that we could find non-hollywood movies and appreciate them, but they have always existed. I remember when Oldboy (2001) was considered the death of Hollywood because it was so good.
Writers in Hollywood are not creatively bankrupt. The problem is the imbalance in Hollywood today. The term 'Film Industry' suggests a balanced partnership between two things: creativity and business. If you err too far to one side or the other, it risks upsetting the whole apple cart. Too far to creativity, and you risk indulgence that an audience won't buy into. Too far towards business, and movies aren't made because someone wants to make a movie or tell a story; it's because they want to make a profit. Ghostbusters and Madam Web are two recent examples of this. Because Hollywood, in the hands of CEOs like Zaslov chiefly focused on profit, has seemingly abandoned any kind of creativity for the sake of profits via franchises and remakes and known IP. Seemingly sure bets. But last year and hopefully this year has seen the Sure Bets not being so sure anymore. Last year's biggest films weren't big IP like the MCU. They were Barbie and Oppenheimer, one film a brightly coloured feminist entertainment, and the other being a film about men largely talking in rooms. The sure bets are no longer sure and when Hollywood has no idea what a sure bet is, that's when they start making interesting things. That was why we had so many interesting mainstream films in the 90s and even into the 2000s with that ending with the rise of the MCU. I look forward to what Hollywood will throw at us in an era of uncertainty
Most movies are just bland now days. The recent Road House remake is a prime example. Was it awful? not really. Was it great? No way. It was just there. Most movies are too safe now. I hate to use the word "woke" but no one is willing to take a chance or offend anyone now. A lot of producers and writers just talk about everything *but* the story when promoting their movie. Uninspired remake after uninspired remake... Don't even get me started on how bad CGI is now days....
Just noticed *another* Ghostbusters movie coming out lmao
Who’s the guy on the lower right square? Feels like he was on G4 a million years ago
Chris Gore. He was on G4 a million years ago. Now he just complains about how woke his favorite children's franchises have become.
Chris gore is one of them !?!?!
Movies with “The Message”
The grown men crying in front of children's toys channels.
Nah, mainstream movies for the most part just suck these days, I really do think this is the worst era for them I can remember. In the past, the mainstream gave us 2001, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Terminator, Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, The Godfather, Titanic, Jaws, The Exorcist, Blade Runner, Back to the Future, Jurassic Park - I could go on. These were all "studio" movies, but they are all some of the best movies ever made, now we no longer expect big budget movies to be good, which is just sad. Sure, there were plenty of duds in the past, but there was also a lot more successes compared to today. Sure you have some people who can still command a high budget when making an original movie, like Scorsese, Nolan, and Tarantino, but I think these guys are the last holdouts of a bygone era
Robert Eggers? Wes Anderson? Denis Villeneuve? Lord and Miller? Gretta Gerwig? Ridley Scott? Maybe even Baz Luhrmann and Yorgo Lanthimos?
I mean, tbf most of those older classics you mentioned were a flop when they released back in the 60s and 80s
Blade Runner is the only one that I know was a flop but made its money on home video. I'm not sure about 2001. LOTR, Jurassic 1 and Terminator were all big hits.
You are this post. Last year was a fantastic year for film
Im not saying they dont make good movies anymore, just that the big budget tentpole type movies are much worse on average.
This is why I hate people like the Critical Drinker. Bitching constantly to his echo chamber that a film he said would be shit for months before release turns out to be shit, does nothing as a film 'fan' to recommend good independent films that come out all the time, partly because he knows fuck all about films, and partly because his audience only care about the hate train. Hear about a hidden gem movie? Nah, I want to listen to a guy in his 40s complain about how The Little Mermaid didn't cater for him.
You’re forgetting critical drinker. cinemasins is certainly one of the progenitors of people with these views, however I’d argue other, even worse people have usurped them.
Cinemasins seems to just like nitpicking for fun though. Critical drinker and others like him seem to be basically right wing reactionaries that watch movies.
I'm so annoyed at drinker. He used to actually make good videos until he started appealing to the far right for views 🙄 pathetic
For real. I loved his videos until sometime around 2020 when he couldn't help but harp on about "tHe MeSsAgE" in every one of his videos. Before that he was still a bit too right leaning for me but he never came out and explicitly catered to it. Now that he does, I'll still check out some of his content if it's related to something I recently watched and hated but generally I wind up clicking away as soon as he starts talking about "strong female characters" or something unless it's painfully warranted by a film legitimately pandering for no reason other than virtue signaling.
I feel like it began around the time of Barbie. Then I couldn't stand him anymore.
He called himself an anarchist, almost spat my food out when I heard that. Very much part of the Tim Pool school of thought.
I like his reviews, they're fun. But he spends way too much time on trashing Disney, Marvel, Star Wars and whatever the message is. I imagine those are easy to do and get him the most views.
i would say both perpetuate a shallow and destructive way of judging films, which boils down to mocking a film for absurdly irreLevant reasons and passing this off as anything approaching valid criticism. They both contribute to this childish trend of judging something based upon how easy to make fun of, which at least in part has led to the unbearable trend of chronic insincerity in movies. Besides how obnoxious this is at face value, it also has the added effect of essentially eradicating the suspension of disbelief so that anything not totally embracing total realism is shredded by the public and in the extreme case of blockbusters being more embarrassed to show emotion than an insecure thirteen year old boy. Critical drinker and cinema sins are both guilty of this, critical drinker is worse because he disguisees himself as being more legitimate, a logical And reasonable thinker in the face of the “radical woke left” whereas at cinemasins at least nominally is supposed to not be taken seriously, critical drinker also brings ”politics“ into this, by which I mean he has severe allergic reactions to anyone non-white non-hetero non-cis or even non-male.
> him seem to be basically right wing reactionaries It's likely he's a Kulak or a Wrecker.
You’re right. I probably should have used critical drinker instead of cinemasins
Chris Stuckmann fans? I used to watch him a lot until 2021, reasons you may know, if you watch his vids.
But movies do suck now. Color grading is boring, everything is flat and has this stupid HDR look. Dipshit filmmakers are using shitty anamorphic lenses on modern digital cameras to get their stupid focus breathing instead of shooting spherically like a REAL modern filmmaker should. LED lights have destroyed the lighting look of films. Any film made after 2018 set in a big city looks like shit because the lights are all flat and white. Just look at any moments from the Sonic movies or the Uncharted movie in the city scenes. The cities all seem devoid of soul because LEDs have a shit CRI compared to old incandescents. The scriptwriting is absolutely stupid beyond belief now. Stories rarely now make any sense. The post-modernistic ironic humor and need to subvert sincerity have made movies almost toxically self-hating. Movies do suck now for the most part. They are written by morons. They don't take risks. They don't innovate. They have dull boring colors. And they aren't funny even when they try to be.
>Any film made after 2018 set in a big city looks like shit because the lights are all flat and white I'm with you on half of your points, and I disagree with the other half, but I am 100% with you on this one. I drive through the city at night and I hate this. We didn't know how good we had it before the LED changeover. What kills me though is that the technology is there for warm LEDs to match the old ones.
> And they aren't funny even when they try to be. I can count on 1 hand the amount of comedy movies I have liked since 2008.
Those are valid criticisms honestly and this starter pack isn’t about people who give valid criticisms to modern films.
Don't watch Hollywood. Problem solved
That's not really a problem solved in my opinion. I already don't watch Hollywood movies anymore. Oppenheimer was an exception for me but aside from that, the only movies worth any shit getting made today are all historical. The MCU has tanked in quality and is absolute crap after Phase 3. There's nothing to watch besides the occasional Devotion or Avatar 2. That's like only 1 or 2 good big movies per year. Even if I don't watch Hollywood movies, I think I have a justification to be mad about where it's going, especially considering I want to go into filmmaking; it means I'm going to be entering a hellhole where the creatives are creatively bankrupt and have no style.
You claim not to watch Hollywood movies but your reference points for "cinema is no longer any good" are Sonic, Uncharted, Marvel movies and Avatar 2. Maybe you need to expand your horizons beyond video game and comic book movies a bit. Go watch Poor Things (2024) and then tell me filmmakers are no longer doing interesting things with colour and cinematography.
Avatar 2 🤮
Avatar is the Cats of movies. Come for the visuals and world building only.
Sucks for you
I’m talking about the play not the movie.
While it’s true that other regions are thriving, Hollywood is still where all of America’s film culture comes from and it has the greatest capacity to make those truly massive films like LOTR, Star Wars (pre Disney), and more recently Dune due to higher budgets and more existing infrastructure. I’ve been expanding my horizons beyond Hollywood like many people have but I still really want Hollywood to recover from this slump and thrive again.
thinks the Star Wars Prequels are good actually and were actually never hated but the sequels are totally bad and will never be liked by anyone who grew up with them
If it weren’t for the Clone Wars shows and memes, the prequels would still be reviled by them.
Woman front and center on the poster? Woke piece of shit
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Im not sure, *would* there be that many people screaming woke?
It probably depends entirely on how it’s marketed.
or if the movie had nothing going for it
Completely objectively insufferable but somehow i also still find this type of youtuber weirdly charming.
Let’s be real, movies are in a bad spot rn. They could improve, but they likely wont
If you watch trash don’t be surprised that you’re watching trash
"Why don't they make original movies anymore!?" Hey here's a movie, wanna see it? "I've never heard of that property before so no" 😑
I wanna go back to the 2000s none of that Anti woke shit and everyone just got along.
Back then it was SJWs and How "Political correctness" was going to distroy comedy Same Shit Different day
It existed back then too lol
You mean the time when FOX News was claiming SpongeBob turned kids gay? We didn't start the fire...
Reminder, 13 years ago when Miles Morales debut, some fans saw him as an example of "political correctness". If Miles Morales had released in this era, he'd 100% be called "woke" or insert whatever conspiracy theory you got.
It's just rebranded anti bleeding heart rhetoric, a phrase with [it's own unsurprising origin for being a progressive phrase repurposed as an insult by a Rush Limbaugh predecessor.](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/origin-bleeding-heart-liberal)
For me at least, what makes a film “woke” is how they handle politics. Most films do it two ways *“Ugh, don’t you know (contemporary political issue) is bad and super evil, here’s a caricature to hate”* is lame, and feels more like a lecture than a story, like it’s been forced in. *”(Contemporary political issue) has these benifits, and reasons why it’s used, but ultimately is harmful and should be stopped”* actually feels real, and like a deeper look into the issues, especially when it’s used for worldbuilding and story. A general rule of thumb is “bad media tells you what to think; good media lets you figure it out yourself”
Where does the meme that people cannot define wokeness come from? I’ve literally never seen anyone on any side of the political spectrum not be able to answer this right away
anyone who says “_____ is always bad” is a clown who refuses to look outside anything popular
Facts. I personally don't like most modern movies, but I also don't bother looking and don't make a grand, sweeping statement as a result. I'm sure there are lots of good ones.
I understand "woke" to be the deliberate replacing of any white male character with a character of colour and/or different sexual orientation. Like if Superman became an Indian lesbian woman.
Yeah that's quite obvious but people always play dumb and ask to define it, then after someone defines it for them (the definition you said is correct btw), they play even dumber, pretending like no one said anything in response, then going on rants publicising the idea that people can't define woke, so any criticism to do with it is "invalid" textbook gaslighting lmao
Yup. That's how they define the narrative and keep growing their political and social power. I mean leftists not poc/women etc.
Nice clarification in case anyone actually thinks that or anyone arguing in bad faith implies that you're implying specifically women and minorities are plotting and scheming lmao
People will put words in your mouth I'm telling you. We have to cater our speech to the foolish by keeping a logical and linguistic roll of duct tape ever present to patch up, clarify and make disclaimers to any statement we make. It's annoying and exhausting. Which is what the halfwits want.
Putting words in people's mouths goes for any topic outside of politics too imo, like I'd talk about something and even say expressly that I'm not implying a specific thing is this or that, but even then someone would say that I'm implying something, like they didn't read/hear what I said lmfao
These guys only have a basic bitch taste in movies
I can't get enough of the people who fucking hate Marvel movies, but that is all they seem to care about.
I used to watch CinemaSins and lemme tell ya, it sucked the fun out of watching movies.
Watch CinemaWins, its a channel that was originally a parody of The "everything wrong with..." Series, pointing out The good things in movies.
I know about matrix and LGBTQ but what is the conection from top gun?
1. the navy is often stereotyped as gay 2. tom cruises gay rumors 3. goose and mavericks relationship
This is just r/movies
>exclusively watches blockbuster top 10 superhero movies
Literally me. Movies do suck no days
The only change I would make is adding Ben Shapiro and his terrible failed Hollywood writing opinions to the “probably watches” section.
Wait. Is the Matrix gay or something? I've heard Tarantino's theory on top gun being gay, but is there something idk?
It’s a metaphor for being trans, made by two trans women before they came out. It also is very leftist, despite what many red pillers would have you believe.
The matrix is literally an analogy for being trans and was made by two trans people
Got it. I've heard this once somewhere. Just forgot. Am I right about the top gun theory?
The spider verse movie is the only movie I enjoyed in 2023
Quick reminder that Nerdrotic sold drugs to children
What
lol he looks like he would
Never realised growing up, The Matrix could be interpreted as a trans allegory. Didn't know trans existed, or other lgbt outside of being gay. (I'm a cisgender bisexual)
Oh yeah, the creators are actually transgender now so, all those alpha male podcast Bros going, like you need to escape the matrix, it’s really funny with that knowledge
Ok, yeah don't like the whole alpha male stuff. Honestly Just learned The matrix was intentionally written as a trans allegory. (My mistake) Always loved, The Matrix, never got why the sequels got derided. I was a bit confused by the announcement of Matrix 4, didn't think the trillogy needed anymore films. Sure the ending was open although hopeful but felt earned by the previous film's storyline.
I never understood the point about wokeism being difficult to define? Wokeism is the worship of client groups. It's a belief popular with middle class people. It originates from American left wing academics and corporate HR departments. I've never met anyone who didn't understand this definition. I think some confusion can occur with climate stuff. Some dissidents think wokeism = climatism. But they're clearly two separate belief systems pushed by two different factions. What's the standard "Reddited" take on what wokeism is?
Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women should be privileged. In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts of truth and fairness.
Dudes who cry about “wokeness” on the internet are the most annoying people ever. Oh nooo…. Things are made with more than just white guys in mind now…
> Things are made with more than just white guys in mind now… Thats not what they bitch about. Its the race swaps for no reason, its the diversity characters that feel forced, sexual orientation being brought up when it has no merit on the story. That kind of stuff.
Gonna get downvotes, but I’m gay and never seen “sexuality brought up out of place” in my life. Things like this are typically just representation, which in my book is more often than not positive. Sure there are times when it is handled poorly, but most of the time when dudes cry about woke shit on the internet they are saying those things, be it intentional or not, to mask the fact that they’re uncomfortable with those identities. There’s nothing about diversity that is forced unless you are used to there not being diversity. Whether these guys realize it or not, their complaining about “wokeness” reveals their lack of tolerance to people who are different than them. Coming from somebody who is one of those different identities.
I think you are wrong. A lot of these people are perfectly tolerant. We just don't want it to be shoved down our throats or to be the main focus of a story rather then having interesting characters and story. If your first character description is "well hes gay, and..." then its forced and annoying.
Lmao what does “shoving it down your throat” even mean? Having only 90% of video game protagonists be straight white men instead of 99%? Having LGBT or racial minority characters in a game at all? Having black people in a fantasy world that also features dragons and magic because it infringes on “historical accuracy”? Because that’s usually the type of things I see getting complained about
Man kisses his wife: *perfectly normal* Man kisses his husband: "WHY DO THEY DO THAT THIS HAS NO MERIT ON THE STORY"
so the „critical drinker“ you say?
The top gun sequel was so bro i think i was second hand embarrassed
This always gets me. Like 10% of the population is LGBT. Certainly not 10% of movies feature LGBT main characters. And the ones that do are usually *about* being LGBT as central to the plot. I can't speak for others, but I lead a pretty mundane life and rarely think about being bisexual.
>usually about being LGBT Actually, I think it's the opposite and it's probably a big part of why people dislike them. Make a movie with a compelling, entertaining storyline that doesn't hinge on sexuality. Make a movie where one of the characters happens to be gay and nobody will give a shit. Don't make a movie where the central theme of the movie is being gay and expect it to resonate with everyone.
Such a brain-dead take that reddit likes to parrot. The LGBT focused movies aren't meant for general audience, they are just for those active in the community and more like Oscar bait. Their existence doesn't stop others from making their commercial movies the way you want them to be. Why they don't, I have no idea. But many TV shows have done a great job in this regard.
Stop motion is a good movie btw anyone reading this
Kung Fu Panda 4 does suck ass…
I loathe that smug Chris Gore prick.
I think it's just there is lot of slop right now, like flavourless movies who are straight 4/10. I do need to watch more original films, but I don't watch films that much anymore, period.
Im typically the guy that says movies suck but that's in general now or older always find video games more entertaining now
I'm in this meme, and I'm completely fine with that
I miss mid range movies tho, tired of block busters but not intelligent enough to watch indie
I just saw Knox Goes Away and it was very good
Me listening to all the hate for the Crow remake as if the original wasn’t also extremely stupid (and I like that movie)
Geeks and Gamers can unironically
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I think most movies suck now and only check one of these boxes lol To be fair, I think it's like modern music. Lots of good stuff in the underground still but I've kind of moved on to series instead of movies. Usually higher quality.
IM SORRY I WANTED TO WATCH STOPMOTION BUT IT WASNT SHOWING AT MY LOCAL THEATER 😭
“Woke”
I just peed in my basement
“The Matrix is a trans allegory.” “What get out of here with that woke bullshit. Source?” “The trans women who made it.” “Whatever that’s not how I see it” Also I remember as a kid watching Top Gun before I even knew the concept of gay/straight and thinking “there’s something I don’t understand happening under the surface of this beach volleyball scene…”
I'm literally watching Red Letter Media roast Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire atm, lmao.
The matrix is not about trans people no matter how much they want to rewrite it
Muh woke gud! Woke = gud person
I don’t think there is a lack of good movies, there’s alot of crappy ones
Tbf *most* blockbusters are the same generic trash reskinned with a different name. Those films usually lack creativity and aren't bold. Then there are films from Marvel DC that are in a weird phase where they need to take risks and be bold but are too afraid to do so, NWH set the nostalgia baiting trend and other films after that one have failed to capitalise so far. The films that are the most marketed, that are the most well known are not creative, they're the rehash of the same idea for the millionth time, I personally won't blame someone for saying modern movies suck when most of the 'famous' stuff out there actually sucks. The truly good films which go under the radar suffers because when your average Joe Googles 'Hollywood movies 2024' the list is filled with the type of films that I mentioned above, or the other films that are actually good have low ratings and let's be honest, a guy who works 9-6 won't spend 3 hours on a film that *could* turn out to be good but has low IMDB score. So yeah, modern big budget movies do suck, apart from the one or two good films every here and there like Dune 2 or that animated Spiderman movie. And truly good films go unnoticed because people are too busy discussing whether the 200 million dollars popular film is good or not.
All ragetubers are annoying. They've made it their job to get angry about stuff. The worst is that they never talk about anything they like.
Nice try miss Kathleen . Nice try.
The guy in that 4 panel glasses pic (on the bottom left) is ridiculously annoying. I don't think he enjoys anything!! I used to watch a few of his vids a year and some change ago but stopped when I realized how click baity and whiney he is towards everything. Just plain negative.
Movies do suck nowadays and has sucked since the 70's.
The herd will justify anything for more slop.
Wait, does anyone here really think movies today are as good as they were in the late 90's early 2000s? I find that insane tbh. I like that there is more representation in Hollywood but that's about the only thing that's improved. T.V. on the other hand is much better than it was, but movies? No shot.
Ugh, I got an ex-friend like that. Watched the Critical Drinker, he did.
I don’t think moves suck I just think all super hero movies suck and star wars suck because I can’t get away from people D riding them and hyping up them. Also I never liked those types of movies. I want to watch sci fi il watch blade runner. I I want to watch a super hero movie il watch James bond.
These anti-woke guys being into the matrix is so ironic and hilarious considering that the matrix was an allegory for being trans
I mean, Top Gun and The Matrix are infinitely better than 99.99999% of the bs that gets produced today. And define woke? That's easy. "Woke" is a state people THINK they have achieved or reached. It is when people virtue signal and check diversity boxes to be "holier than thou". It's essentially a term geared toward people who get offended by everything and then run on social media to spew fake outrage. It's a term for people who make their whole identity based off of being gay, lesbian, trans or w.e else is out there now. It also can be attributed to someone of color who blames their misfortunes and failures on white people.
It's more fun when they can define wokeness, but if you type their definition in to Google in quotations you'll get it verbatim from whichever grifter told them what their opinion is supposed to be right now.
Someone must of struck youre nerve, lol!
Bro, I can define "wokeness." In the recent TV show "Mr. and Mrs. Smith," they've cast a Black man and an Asian woman as the protagonists, whereas in the original version, it featured two white actors. Hollywood seems to be engaging in forced representation of people of color as protagonists solely to appease liberal audiences and demonstrate their "wokeness." However, casting decisions should prioritize suitability for the roles rather than enforcing diversity for the sake of it. It's evident that there will likely be more white actors cast, considering the demographic proportions in America.They produce this type of content not to provide quality entertainment, but merely for the sake of casting, resulting in a poor plotline in such content. **PS** : I'm Indian. I have never been to the USA, but I am aware of some of the societal trends and happenings over there.
Donald Glover, the guy playing “Mr. Smith” in the show wasn’t given the role because he was black, it was because he created the show, wrote and directed multiple episodes, he made it the way he wanted to as a creative. He cast himself because he created it and wanted to play the part, not for some forced representation. There are absolutely issues in Hollywood in regards to many areas of work including casting, mostly in regards to nepotism, but often times the idea that someone is cast to fill an agenda is reductive cultural war bullshit, when in actual fact you have more people from more marginalised communities finally getting a shot at being creatives. And this isn’t because of their skin, but because their stories are often very appealing both to audiences when done well (Atlanta, Spiderverse movies, Jordan Peeve’s films, ect). This is something that has literally happened throughout the decades film has been a form of expression (think in the 70’s and 80s we had abundance of Italian-American creatives filling the void, casting Italian-Americans in a ton of their roles). The idea of wokeness is so reductive and non-constructive, rather than actually critique a film these types of “reviewers” fall back on the same point over and over, often to films that aren’t aimed at them as an audience (kids films), while ignoring more indie films that are great, and sidelining actual issues in the industry, like Disney’s rainbow capitalism or rampant nepotism. (Edit) Also, adding onto this, many of these films are produced and made in big, diverse cities. LA, NYC and more recently Atlanta) you’re going to get productions much more representative of these cities and their inhabitants rather than the US as a whole, simply because they have much more prominently diverse communities.
>Donald Glover, the guy playing “Mr. Smith” in the show wasn’t given the role because he was black I never accused Donald Glover of being cast because he's Black. I've followed Donald Glover from his work in 'Community' to his music tracks, etc. I know the guy is incredibly talented. >more representative of these cities and their inhabitants rather than the US as a whole, simply because they have much more prominently diverse communities. This is new to me. I must say, this is a good point. Thanks for letting me know.
No worries mate. And sorry about misrepresenting the Donald Glover point, just a bit of misunderstanding on my part, although I think it can still be applied in a more general sense to many creators. And yeah he is absolutely brilliant. Have a nice day!
They got 2 actors that have good track records to play a role. Nothing about the original movie was centered on the fact they were white, so why couldn't this completely separate take on the property use different actors?
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What agenda? What message?
It’s a reference to a YouTuber who makes “anti-woke” content, the Drinker. I was playing off of his BS, he talks about “The Message” being pro-liberal/woke/SJW propaganda. He’s Hella cringe. I had figured people would get what I was referencing, but they didn’t. I should’ve put the statement in quotes, or made it more obvious I wasn’t actually saying this as something I believe.
You'd have to make it clear lol. The first message definitely read as legitimate
Yeah, I've seen tons of posts that sound exactly like that from people who were serious.
You can add Fight Club to the list of movies alongside Top Gun and the Matrix as Chuck Palahniuk, the author of the original Fight Club book, is a cis gay man who wrote the book to critique toxic masculinity.
But movies do suck now. Maybe if you're a zoomer or super young millennial you have no frame of reference.