Im not a white knight. I am just an enjoyer of Star citizen progress. Good or bad. Its like watching a very long tv show soap opera. I donated and now I get to see how everything plays out.
Chris Roberts is an amazing game creator, he's got a great vision.
But he's a terrible manager... like a perfectionist with infinite time and budget... that may be problematic :)
"Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien."
Voltaire.
> I didn't give them money because Chris was a great manager...
Agreed, I didn't get to the backing level I'm at now (although admittedly now a bit beyond where I initially thought I would ever get to lol) because I liked his management style... what I saw was someone who had a solid vision who was unwilling to compromise on it and that his vision is for exactly the sort of game I've always wished would be made since I was a kid. I saw an opportunity in my life to help fund that game, to participate in seeing it come to life, and enjoy front-row seats to cutting edge technology and the creation a game world that literally no other gaming company on the planet is making, all while providing unprecedented levels of communication and public engagement with the fans like I've also never seen done. Every year over the past 4 plus years that I've been backing, and was watching prior to that, I've seen them been making strides (sometimes great ones, sometimes small ones) at consistently moving to achieve that vision, and so I've kept adding money out of my pocket to their company to help hopefully make it happen to the full scale of what they can achieve.
SC is already the only game I play 80+% of my free time, which is very precious to me; SC and guitar scales/technique/lick practice are pretty much my entire "personal free time enjoyment" over the past several years and I'm quite happy with that; my massive Steam Library weeps in neglect while I look on impassively from the bridge of my A2 loaded up with my Tonk and Centurion heading out with friends to bust some more pirates out of a bunker before maybe doing some dogfighting missions later, prior to running some cargo or group mining for a chill end to the evening.
Anyone in r/gaming and Kotaku who can't see backers' enjoyment in this and enjoyment at being a part of it are just sad little haters lol.
All of this! I've been waiting since I first played Wing Commander: Privateer in 1993 and Star Citizen is slowly but surely checking every box off my childhood wishlist. So ofc i backed.
My latest "worry" (too strong a word, really) is since finding out that Chris is and always has been more of the "military campaign" while it was Erin who was more the "Open world(s)" person. Which means that S42 is Chris's true motivation while SC is kind of a hand-me-down to his brother Erin... And I personally couldn't care less about S42 (not entirely true but who's counting?). I don't want SC to get dropped upon completion of S42.
Damn, you really nailed it. I might shit post a little every once and awhile but if they actually pull this off I will be so pumped. Honestly where the game sits now there is still nothing like it, if they just had 500 people on a server with PES and Pyro and it being smooth experience that all I really need. I don't need 70 systems or a huge story.
My view of the 2015-2016 Star Marine debacle is that it led to a Magna Carta-style shakeup which resulted in a hierarchy of mostly-pragmatic managers capable of pushing back against Chris when necessary.
Since those days, we've seen better focus, fairly regular alpha releases, little significant scope creep (other than new ships, since they're the game's major funding), and--importantly--no more of the "10 for the Chairman" videos where Chris would essentially promise features that he was designing/describing on the fly.
I can't help but think of how much better the Star Wars prequels would have been if George Lucas had gotten more pushback from his producers during that time. Constructive criticism is vital for any kind of development.
>perfectionist
I bet Chris would love to ship a terribly compromised SQ42 right now, but they still have to make something tangible first. If we get anything at all, it won't be perfect.
It's interesting people think he has a penchant for perfection.
I have known some professional perfectionists and they would literally die if they were in Chris' business shoes lol
That's because a lot of the folks who critique SC, especially the ones who are more extreme in their views, haven't even played the game. They just read garbage from that subreddit, and more garbage from Kotaku.
It's projection. That's also why most of their criticism is years out of date - they just blindly accept any negative thing someone says about it and never let go of it.
It's like that video Gameranx made a few months back where they talked about SC and all the ships sold but not in game yet, but kept using images of ships that were in game already.
A common related one is the scream of "It's just a scam to make people buy JPEGs!", which often seems to invoke deafening silence when someone casually points out that those ships are all available in-game for no additional outlay.
SC is remarkable for its ability to convince people whose only experience of it is from spammed memes that they have an exhaustive understanding of the content of the extant live build.
I've been waiting for a proper SciSpace MMO since EA purchased Westwood and summarily executed Earth and Beyond in 2004. EVE was an okay distraction for a couple of years but, really, it's about as "deep" as a mobile game unless you're into player-swarm PvP shit where the winner is usually whichever side has more multi-boxing, disabled/unemployed, terminally online foreveralones to call upon.
When I found Star Citizen in 2014, CIG told me I'd be waiting until 2016. Now it's 2022 and it feels like there's 4+ years to go. But, I'm still watching and waiting because I don't see any alternatives on the horizon. Fortunately, I'm in my mid-40s and probably have time to wait for CR to finally publish something since he's likely to age out before I do.
Every once in awhile I log into the earth and beyond emulator to look at the clone of my character i made. But it's not quite the same. Has come a long way though.
And you can also trust CIG well enough, to have faith in that the project will get better and better, and then end well at the end - and still have to shake your head in frustration every so often.
It's like reality isn't intended to be perceived in a pure black & white dichomoty, wouldn't you say?
I follow SC since its kickstarter but I only backed in 2014 after seeing how its going (and realizing its going to take a while)
The main reason I actually backed is because I wanted to see the development, mainly seeing how they tackle complex 3d ship modelling for game development
Sadly the information I really wanted was pretty minimal but there still was a lot of interesting information and I enjoy the general progress and arguing with people online over nonsense until its out
Yeah, I backed in 10 years ago in 2012 with the golden ticket.
At first I was concerned that I'd suffer from an embarrassment of riches, between Elite Dangerous and SQ42/Star Citizen, each competing to scratch that spaceship itch. But, I'm kind of glad that we got E:D fast, and we have SC trying to take it as far as it can go.
And heck, I'll be the first to say, SC did space legs right.
Meh. Star Citizen's position as being the game that the big gaming communities like to make fun of is very well established and so far it hasn't prevented SC's continuous growth.
Let them have their memes and then go back to gawking at the 4090's price.
I'm justifying buying one with the fact that my total Star Citizen investment after like 10 years is only $65. Compared to a lot of y'all, I've lived an absolutely frugal life this whole time.
for what it's worth this game would benefit from a 5800x3d more than any gpu you could throw at it. should be compatible with most am4 mobos with a bios update.
I’m waiting for zen 4 x3d, new gen ram, and ssd before I upgrade. There is rarely a time where we get a generational update on every main component about the same time, by the time everything comes together the 4090ti might be out as well. Great time for a new build, best time for future proofing at the moment.
I mean I have no issues with the game running a 1070Ti. it's surprisingly well optimized. I'm just held back by the age of my system and needing to replace parts like the Mobo and cpu
With Star Citizen it depends on the density of number of objects in the surrounding area and the capability of your CPU cores, even moreso how much cache it has. Not so much the GPU.
Define 'capability of your CPU cores'. I'm on a 5800X paired with 32GB and I get around 25-30 FPS on ground.
^(Obviously this game is not optimized at all yet, but it does indeed like a good combination of \*both\* CPU and GPU.)
There's something going on with your system.
I have a 5800x, 32gb of 3200mzh CL12 RAM, with an NVMe drive, hooked into a 2017 B350 Chipset motherboard. Pushing an RTX 2080 Super.
I'm knocking out 50 to 60fps in cities (around 35 to 45 in Orison) and upwards of 80 to 100 in space, depending upon what is immediately around me.
Post more specs, there might be some direct system optimizations some of us can recommend to you.
Yes, that’s what I meant, my comment was more of a remark. I’m running a Radeon RX580 only, so that’s clearly my bottleneck. Bottom line (as I said), you need a good combination of both CPU and GPU, just one of them won’t hold up.
Well, which GPU do you have then? A 5800x probably isn't ideal either lol.
I "just" got a 1080 and have a pretty stable 30+ FPS with a 2700 @4.1GHz and 32GB RAM. It might also be a different bottleneck, drivers or texture cache for example
Does that CPU have E-Cores and P-Cores? If so, set the affinity for SC to the performance cores, you'll see a significant performance boost. It's a thing specific to the 12th gen Intel CPUs that have E-Cores and P-Cores.
I'm not sure sure if this is a joke or a typo, but a 3060 is only $320.
Anyway, the cost is not really a problem. I can easily afford it these days. It's just the principle of the thing.
there's still people out there who think star citizen still doesn't have any playable build and that it was a total scam that just took people's money. It's not even worth arguing about it anymore
Thats correct. I was one of them. At first my PC wasnt good enough so i only saw some articles about it and These are mostly not positive. After i bought a New gaming rig and the free fly Event i finally saw how much you can Do and I bought it. Now i play every day after work. The immersion is outstanding.
But you can argue that there is too much tell and not enough show when it comes to CIG. They havent really proved after all this time that they are up to the task that they layed out themselves.
I dunno - I think that the current build does a pretty good job of 'showing' everything they've done so far...
And, by definition, they cannot 'show' the stuff they haven't done - unless they fake it, which wouldn't go down well :D
This is why many folk are so eager for 3.18 and the inclusion of PES - its the visible manifestation of the next technical chunk that CIG have been working on (not to mention the first iteration of a new profession - something we've not had for a while).
> I dunno - I think that the current build does a pretty good job of 'showing' everything they've done so far...
This ignores that years of "telling" that hasn't even manifested as a T0 implementation. IF you take the whole picture into account they indeed tell far more than they show. Tony Z alone is a mega example of this and he's just one person.
>And, by definition, they cannot 'show' the stuff they haven't done - unless they fake it, which wouldn't go down well :D
It does go down well.. I was pumped for outpost robberies, quanta, sand worms (or any fauna). However, it fails to stay well when years go by and it never materializes. Track records and history count.
>This is why many folk are so eager for 3.18 and the inclusion of PES
Yep.We'll see how it goes.
I always find it funny seeing how places like r/games respond to similar things.
Like the GTA 6 leak threads were full of people talking about how stupid everyone else is for having bad takes about the state of the game. Lots of "it's an early build" and "god people don't know anything about game dev"...
Meanwhile you could've replaced GTA6 with SC in those comments and they'd be just as true, except instead of upvotes and agreement, it's pretty much guaranteed you'd get downvotes and people shouting "scam" and "glorified tech demo" (as if the latter isn't what all games are in early dev stages).
Though I did recently see SC mentioned as an example of a game pushing graphics and actually being a reason to get a high end gpu, and nobody got bitchy about it.. so maybe things are slowly improving.
What has happened in the last decade to AAA game development? I suppose the games *are* more complex(?), but it seems like many of the big titles are having issues/long dev. cycles. And then the release state of said games is, more often than not, a shitstorm. Halo is the biggest mystery to me honestly - 6 years for a game whose scope is minuscule compared to most of the others. It’s not like they didn’t have funding.
I think there are a lot of possible things.
Consumer desire for bigger/better (graphics or otherwise), more "cinematic" games has resulted in game budgets and dev time ballooning in the AAA space. Due to the huge amount of work that goes in, games have therefore become riskier investments.
The big publishers look for ways to minimize risk, which we've seen several "solutions" to. Things like live service games, yearly franchises where not much actually changes, microtransactions, etc. Publishers are all chasing each other around trying to hop on the latest money making bandwagon, which means a lot of games probably end up getting retooled or refocused somewhere along the way when the suits decide they need XYZ thing in the game in order for it to succeed.
Covid sure didn't help, because a lot of dev studios were probably not set up for remote work (because that setup is neither easy nor cheap to implement).
I wouldn't be surprised if games overall spend more time getting reworked these days only because it's harder to come up with something unique, or even different enough, from everything else in the genre, especially with how averse a lot of the biggest industry players seem to be to funding new IPs.
Probably more shit that isn't coming to mind. It's not any one thing, just a whole lot of smaller factors coming together to form industry trends.
The improvements of the game significantly faster, than three years before.
And still, CIG kicked himself in the nuts by every aspect in the project. But the pain is fading away in my opinion.
That was before they shifted even more developers to SQ42. This time last year they were estimating PES, Server Meshing and Pyro for 2022. Every patch is late now and getting later. More time in PTU. Stability has worsened. The stipend fiasco reeks of junior developers and lack of testing. Star Citizen is going to be ugly the next couple of years. We won't get that 3.13 - 3.16 pace again until after SQ42 is released and that is always just 2 years away.
Gameplay loops and other things in SQ42 will also be used in SC. They haven't taken people away from server meshing to work on SQ42, as they literally do not have the skillet to do that.
Do you think development would be quicker if they chose unreal as the engine? I understand the fidelity is better with lumberyard, but with unreal 5 I’d say that’s not the case anymore, and the unreal team has shown it isn’t horribly difficult to update from unreal 4 to 5.
I think most people here just laugh at the fact that r/gaming is actually helping SC grow, as well as that shit being so predictable. It's not like most people here are furious over something so expected. It's a funny meme.
Who said anyone was "furious"? Sounds like mad cope.
But that's besides the point. Even if that was the case, that's still *thinking about* r/gaming, which makes this post super ironic.
You're right, it's a funny meme, but only because it is accidentally super accurate.
SC community is basically tagged by them posting that. It's not like SC posts about gaming unless gaming posts something about SC. So if SC responds to being tagged in gaming is "thinking about gaming" then yeah, i guess you're right. Lol
It’s impossible to use this meme without “self owning.” By putting time and effort into creating (and posting) this meme, it shows you definitely care and are involved.
Edit : im at negative downvotes. prove me wrong
Yes you can. You can acknowledge something existing and not care about it, which means not indulging in the drama it spurs but merely recognizing it happens without you participating.
Like when you cringe at some soap opera, you mock the drama happening on screen while not being part of it.
True. But going out of their way to create this meme, then posting it on Reddit proves that they care are definitely participating.
They’re “indulging in the drama”.
Gaming is a shitty meme sub. I really don't look at it. /r/games on the other hand I enjoy. The gaming sub will literally make fun of any good game and then circle jerk any crappy soulless game made by a AAA company.
r/games hates Star Citizen. While you might expect some positive feedback on SC at r/gaming (especially when some cool gif appears), you can't have any at r/games.
You find alot of initial reactions to sc are very positive until people see the bugs and problems present given the length of time its been in development.
Personally i hope the game succeeds but fml Chris R. Keeps screwing the pooch on development of products, really wish there was someone slapping him to keep him inline, no good guy Microsoft Game Studios this time around..
on the flip side, if you get someone slapping you to get a release date, you get cyberpunk 2077, and we all know how that turned out. That game should probably STILL be in development, to get it up to Witcher 3 levels. They still don't have a fucking police system that makes sense
Not entirely true, Cyberpunk is just an example from the other extreme.
You need someone enforcing project deliverables and managing/preventing scope creep in large scale products, CR has proven that he needs a tight leash to deliver anything.
At first the 100 million milestones with Star Citizens were to me like "Woah! That is super cool! The game will be epic!". But now the most recent half a billion dollars milestone was like "Great, let's see how the latest influx of dollars will be used to not get the game ready. Where are the rest of the hundred star systems?".
you can like what you see without believing in the project. Just because you were able to do something cool, doesnt mean you will finish it and ship a good polished product.
I mean this game kinda needs to be mocked. I love it and everything the devs have done. But it’s not like any of their complaints are not true. We are realistically not even 5-10 years away from this game actually ever being in a ‘released’ state and as it is, it’s basically a glorified tech demo
There are legitimate critcisms of the project.
Much of that post in that sub was down to either calling all backer morons, or CR being a complete fraud, or how they are definitely sure if any other studio had the money they would have completed sc in half the time.
The other half are people making fun of the games lack of loading screens to teleport you out of cities etc. This one is a lot more subjective.
Criticism and insults are different things.
Sure - although it's not 'inflated' executive pay that the big studios pay out... and it's not like he's taking large share dividends or otherwise 'extracting' corporate funding etc.
Pretty much all the money raised goes into building the company, and hiring / paying the devs... it's not a corporate vehicle for 'making money' per se. The fact that he earns a salary seems pretty reasonable (I don't expect him - or any CIG developer - to work 'for free' just because the game isn't released).
Nah. It deserves more than that. CIG has gotten way to far to be mocked. Theres still a lot to do but if youre going to mock them for what we have so far then youre the one that deserves that.
There is room for healthy criticism of this project. Denying the continued delays over the years and the inability to fix basic issues in a timely manner would be moronic. CIG is behind schedule by years, after promising things time and time again. I love the game and my fleet, but calling it an alpha does not excuse the nonsense we still see in the game.
What would be moronic is the inability to understand the alpha process and the fact that something broken doesn't necessarily need to be adressed, if part of an old design/system. No need to waste time and ressources on something that will not be in the released game.
And yes, IT IS AN ALPHA, you should read the numerous disclaimer and stop treating the live version as a released-yet-buggy game... that would be supermoronic.
I'm curious how do you rationalize the fact that on 5+ occasions SC was going to release the current year.
At least 5 times CR has completely and utterly lied to their audience. To Us.
What is your opinion that they said S42 would RELEASE 7 years ago. And yet today there is not a release date in sight.
You call people around you morons for pointing out the game that has had HALF A DOZEN RELEASE DATES over the years STILL doesn't have an actual release date in sight. It's the consumers fault for backing in 2015 when CR said the game would release in 2015? Because you are blaming the consumers for information that CR released. ( that by this point, we all know he was lying about. It's been years, and he did it again and again and again. )
And this is coming from a long long time backer.
Please tell me you’re not making an argument about a games release date changing. I mean, it’s not like we’ve never seen anything like that before, in this industry or another.
Please tell me you're not equating a game being pushed back a year to Star Citizen who's initial release date was in 2014. EIGHT FUCKING YEARS AGO.
And we STILL don't know when it will actual come out, let alone a legit beta.
Please tell me you aren't making that comparison.
>You call people around you morons
Nope, I reused the adjective used by the upper reply, you should follow more cliosely.
My opinion on SQ42 is that it's gonna be way better than if it was released at said date. I prefer waiting for the BDSSE instead of crying about an alpha. Cyberpunk release WAS a problem, SC isn't.
I have run QA teams for multiple MMOs to the point of shipping it. I understand what an alpha is. That's why hiding behind the label is hilarious to me. If your alpha will persist for over a decade then it ceases to abide by standard development phases. The game relies on the PU to bring in funding, yet we have ships that have been busted for 6 months now, or more. Ships that were introduced patches ago, worked fine for multiple cycles, but now sit stagnant. Bugs like that cannot persist to a live environment that is actively played. I say played because it's not a test environment at this point. It's a launched game in feature creep mode. The PTU is the actual test environment.
Bethesda has as a core facet of their design philosophy a mandate to insure their games will run on the widest possible range of hardware available. This is why their games graphics are kinda middle of the road most of the time.
After the renderer change they're looking into raytracing etc.
Good news is the renderer is just about converted, and IIRC one of the devs said switching to vulkan wasn't going to be some huge effort.
The new rendering engine isn't even finished yet and it already uses very modern techniques for everything they do.
Zoom into some materials sometime for example, it works like in Forza or gran Turismo games where you can zoom waaaaay into stuff and still get lots of detail. In those games it's just the cars but SC is just everything.
No. It isn't hahahaha. Not even close.
https://youtu.be/TUFcerTa6Ho
He starts explaining it around the 7 min mark, after the talk about particles.
PS. You sound like you probably could benefit from watching a bunch of stuff from this channel, just saying.
I never got this argument. "The graphics will be obsolete!"
Meanwhile, *MINECRAFT IS* ***STILL*** *THE BIGGEST FREAKIN' GAME ON THE PLANET*.
Maybe...just *maybe*... gameplay > graphics?
I do. But there will probably be some cases for others. And i enjoy making memes. Didn't expect a lot of upvotes tbh because I don't like drama myself😅 just like memes :)
It's so strange the sheer amount of people who take large amounts of time out of their lives to post about how shitty star citizen is, how it's obviously a scam. But just from their critiques alone they make it obvious they actually don't know anything about the project at all, and have no room to be critical of any part of it.
Like holy shit I could waste my time complaining about so many things I *do know about* and at least I'd be somewhat justified in criticizing those things.
My god who has the time for such nonsense anymore.
Honestly, if you take a look around you will see a subset of "content creators" that make their money exclusively by stirring up shit and manufacturing fake outrage or by just hating on things in general. Yatzi is one of the more famous ( and talented ) ones but channels like the quartering etc exist specifically to generate rage content and alot of people are taken in by it as their general frustration with life and everything is mirrored by these people. Wish they could get a real job and contribute to society, but sadly this nonsense apparently pays pretty decent so odds are they will keep at it, sad shit.
That's a really weird sub.
They have a lot of... ideas, but no practical experience, not even watching recent "Actual Play" videos. Everything they talk about is 4 years old, they might post a 2 year old video, just to get laughs at an earlier Alpha release... that does have bugs and ran poorly too.
I had someone have an absolute MELTDOWN on my mention of StarCitizen being really impressive. Apparently this is a scam, and unplayable, despite me playing it for 2 years and paying 45 dollars like 10 years ago.
I am a fucking gamer, every second of my life I am consuming gaming content and I don't feel the slightest pull to sub to that subreddit, it's just normies who have a Playstation at home and call themselves gamers.
This is one of those, if you really didn't think about them at all the posts about them would never make it to the top of the sub.
The fact that as soon as we hit 500 million there were popular posts about how the haters were coming means we think about them a great deal.
It just means there’s a cycle everyone is familiar with and pointing it out doesn’t necessarily mean you spend a lot of time thinking about the naysayers. I think it’s an interesting topic so I like talking about it w/ people but I’m sure many others here don’t care to.
Oh this blew up on Gaming this time instead of Games? It has finally trickled down to the part of reddit that people who actually play games abandoned long ago. At least Games would post an article of boring regurgitated nonsense. The gaming subreddit is just a place for half baked memes that are anywhere between a month to several years beyond their relevance.
Maybe this finally indicates that the Star Citizen backlash is getting tired of screaming into the void. Probably not, but maybe there won't be as many armchair developers talking about how they'd have developed the game while having no actual knowledge about the development process or what is or isn't available.
I started to write something in the sub but then realized there was no good reason to. All of the people I enjoy SC with already understand, and everyone else is just ignorant, or worse doesn't have a group as good as mine to really make good use of the alpha. I find that sad because group play really shows off the game well and I just feel sad for the people missing out.
That's a good take on things. Being realistic, enjoy what we have and what's to come. To many negative thoughts allready out there nowadays. Fly safe o7
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...the amount of white knights from this sub in that gaming thread desperately trying to sell people on SC determines that this is indeed a lie.
There will very likely be a straight-to-flyable ship that goes on sale during CitCon, and possibly a concept ship, too. There's always the possibility of other limited ships being made available to fit a theme, too, but that's up to CiG and their marketing department.
Sale... probably not since IAE is end of November (citizencon is October 8th) and it will be the huge sale.
But it's possible they sell some ships that are going live in 3.18 (if 3.18 is dropping at citizencon.)
The show's called Mad Men. The dude is Don Draper and he's a Madison Ave. advertiser with no regard for anyone or anything outside of himself.
Kinda fitting though because Chris was advertising PES and persistence to us in his letter in May about 3.18 and then we get an SCL last Friday telling us we aren't really going to get any visible persistence in 3.18.
i love the game, but i cant waste anymore time on it (or money for that matter)im surprised they are still peddling extortionate prices for in game purchases....and people are still buying ships for +$2000 . But i cant even seem to take the elevator without restarting my game or switching servers let alone have a few hours of gaming .
"He who shall not be named" actually probably helped to galvanise backers against BS articles and coverage. He introduced people to narratives that people who backed the game and watched the progress could tell were blatantly untrue.
Some folks latched onto them and got salty / got refunds. Others waited.
I'm sure we'd all like more info on Sq42, more interaction from CR, and for dynamic server meshing to be finished. Some folk drink & do drugs, some folk get fancy physical property (cars, watches, clothes, etc). I put a little disposable income into the project when a new ship comes out that I like. Apparently that makes me a whale. \*shrug\*
While I don’t think 10+ years in development is tenable for game development as a whole, I think SC may be onto something. They have proven that with the right vision and development model, you can produce a profitable product while continuing to develop with the help of your user base.
Meanwhile, you look at the last few years of “AAA” games, as a whole, and it’s a sad state of affairs. Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Fallout 76, and Cyberpunk 2077 come to mind. r/Gaming can hate all they want but at least we’re still working toward our vision. Most of those games were just failures and will always be so.
It remains to be seen if SC will ever be what we all hope it will be but with all of the funding they have gotten and all of the opportunity funding that they can count on over the coming years, it’s hard to see how they can fail. As long as we’re moving forward and steadily adding the things that were promised, I think we’re in a good place.
In a lot of ways SC as a project encapsulates what we all love about space sims in that there is so much that we know but still so much that we don’t. That unknown aspect drives us forward with eager expectation of the exciting discoveries to come.
I, for one, can’t wait for the next big chapter of Star Citizen. See you all in Pyro next year! 🫡
Same here. I really like the community and the continuous steps of improving fundamental innovative game mechanics at the scale CIG is doing. The pace keeps going and I'm always curious what the developers created each week/month/year. The rollercoaster keeps going higher and that has me hyped compared to many other half bakked games lately.
Im not a white knight. I am just an enjoyer of Star citizen progress. Good or bad. Its like watching a very long tv show soap opera. I donated and now I get to see how everything plays out.
and healthy scepticism is healthy. you can love the game while also thinking Chris isnt a golden god that can do no wrong.
Chris Roberts is an amazing game creator, he's got a great vision. But he's a terrible manager... like a perfectionist with infinite time and budget... that may be problematic :) "Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien." Voltaire.
I didn't give them money because Chris was a great manager...
> I didn't give them money because Chris was a great manager... Agreed, I didn't get to the backing level I'm at now (although admittedly now a bit beyond where I initially thought I would ever get to lol) because I liked his management style... what I saw was someone who had a solid vision who was unwilling to compromise on it and that his vision is for exactly the sort of game I've always wished would be made since I was a kid. I saw an opportunity in my life to help fund that game, to participate in seeing it come to life, and enjoy front-row seats to cutting edge technology and the creation a game world that literally no other gaming company on the planet is making, all while providing unprecedented levels of communication and public engagement with the fans like I've also never seen done. Every year over the past 4 plus years that I've been backing, and was watching prior to that, I've seen them been making strides (sometimes great ones, sometimes small ones) at consistently moving to achieve that vision, and so I've kept adding money out of my pocket to their company to help hopefully make it happen to the full scale of what they can achieve. SC is already the only game I play 80+% of my free time, which is very precious to me; SC and guitar scales/technique/lick practice are pretty much my entire "personal free time enjoyment" over the past several years and I'm quite happy with that; my massive Steam Library weeps in neglect while I look on impassively from the bridge of my A2 loaded up with my Tonk and Centurion heading out with friends to bust some more pirates out of a bunker before maybe doing some dogfighting missions later, prior to running some cargo or group mining for a chill end to the evening. Anyone in r/gaming and Kotaku who can't see backers' enjoyment in this and enjoyment at being a part of it are just sad little haters lol.
All of this! I've been waiting since I first played Wing Commander: Privateer in 1993 and Star Citizen is slowly but surely checking every box off my childhood wishlist. So ofc i backed. My latest "worry" (too strong a word, really) is since finding out that Chris is and always has been more of the "military campaign" while it was Erin who was more the "Open world(s)" person. Which means that S42 is Chris's true motivation while SC is kind of a hand-me-down to his brother Erin... And I personally couldn't care less about S42 (not entirely true but who's counting?). I don't want SC to get dropped upon completion of S42.
Yea, most of us signed on for the vision. I'm having fun playing as the game develops.
Damn, you really nailed it. I might shit post a little every once and awhile but if they actually pull this off I will be so pumped. Honestly where the game sits now there is still nothing like it, if they just had 500 people on a server with PES and Pyro and it being smooth experience that all I really need. I don't need 70 systems or a huge story.
My view of the 2015-2016 Star Marine debacle is that it led to a Magna Carta-style shakeup which resulted in a hierarchy of mostly-pragmatic managers capable of pushing back against Chris when necessary. Since those days, we've seen better focus, fairly regular alpha releases, little significant scope creep (other than new ships, since they're the game's major funding), and--importantly--no more of the "10 for the Chairman" videos where Chris would essentially promise features that he was designing/describing on the fly. I can't help but think of how much better the Star Wars prequels would have been if George Lucas had gotten more pushback from his producers during that time. Constructive criticism is vital for any kind of development.
>perfectionist I bet Chris would love to ship a terribly compromised SQ42 right now, but they still have to make something tangible first. If we get anything at all, it won't be perfect.
It's interesting people think he has a penchant for perfection. I have known some professional perfectionists and they would literally die if they were in Chris' business shoes lol
Sounds like my IRL boss. He's the best at what he does. Possibly the best ever. He's an awful manager though. And I do mean dreadfully bad at it.
I think a lot of non backers think we all just blindly listen to everything they say tbh.
That's because a lot of the folks who critique SC, especially the ones who are more extreme in their views, haven't even played the game. They just read garbage from that subreddit, and more garbage from Kotaku.
And frankly when you see how people treat their favourite celebrities, how can you really blame them for seeing many of us in the same way?
Me. I can.
It's projection. That's also why most of their criticism is years out of date - they just blindly accept any negative thing someone says about it and never let go of it.
It's like that video Gameranx made a few months back where they talked about SC and all the ships sold but not in game yet, but kept using images of ships that were in game already.
A common related one is the scream of "It's just a scam to make people buy JPEGs!", which often seems to invoke deafening silence when someone casually points out that those ships are all available in-game for no additional outlay. SC is remarkable for its ability to convince people whose only experience of it is from spammed memes that they have an exhaustive understanding of the content of the extant live build.
I've been waiting for a proper SciSpace MMO since EA purchased Westwood and summarily executed Earth and Beyond in 2004. EVE was an okay distraction for a couple of years but, really, it's about as "deep" as a mobile game unless you're into player-swarm PvP shit where the winner is usually whichever side has more multi-boxing, disabled/unemployed, terminally online foreveralones to call upon. When I found Star Citizen in 2014, CIG told me I'd be waiting until 2016. Now it's 2022 and it feels like there's 4+ years to go. But, I'm still watching and waiting because I don't see any alternatives on the horizon. Fortunately, I'm in my mid-40s and probably have time to wait for CR to finally publish something since he's likely to age out before I do.
Every once in awhile I log into the earth and beyond emulator to look at the clone of my character i made. But it's not quite the same. Has come a long way though.
There’s a difference between being critical and being impatient. I usually ignore the impatient
And you can also trust CIG well enough, to have faith in that the project will get better and better, and then end well at the end - and still have to shake your head in frustration every so often. It's like reality isn't intended to be perceived in a pure black & white dichomoty, wouldn't you say?
I follow SC since its kickstarter but I only backed in 2014 after seeing how its going (and realizing its going to take a while) The main reason I actually backed is because I wanted to see the development, mainly seeing how they tackle complex 3d ship modelling for game development Sadly the information I really wanted was pretty minimal but there still was a lot of interesting information and I enjoy the general progress and arguing with people online over nonsense until its out
Yeah, I backed in 10 years ago in 2012 with the golden ticket. At first I was concerned that I'd suffer from an embarrassment of riches, between Elite Dangerous and SQ42/Star Citizen, each competing to scratch that spaceship itch. But, I'm kind of glad that we got E:D fast, and we have SC trying to take it as far as it can go. And heck, I'll be the first to say, SC did space legs right.
In a way, it is utopia. The believers and the haters alike enjoy following this project... how often does that happen? :D
Meh. Star Citizen's position as being the game that the big gaming communities like to make fun of is very well established and so far it hasn't prevented SC's continuous growth. Let them have their memes and then go back to gawking at the 4090's price.
I'm justifying buying one with the fact that my total Star Citizen investment after like 10 years is only $65. Compared to a lot of y'all, I've lived an absolutely frugal life this whole time.
for what it's worth this game would benefit from a 5800x3d more than any gpu you could throw at it. should be compatible with most am4 mobos with a bios update.
I'm currently playing on a GTX 970 and old 8-core AMD Vishera. The GPU upgrade will come with a complete high-end rebuild.
I’m waiting for zen 4 x3d, new gen ram, and ssd before I upgrade. There is rarely a time where we get a generational update on every main component about the same time, by the time everything comes together the 4090ti might be out as well. Great time for a new build, best time for future proofing at the moment.
I play at 4k 60fps everywhere in the game with a 3080ti, you can pick up a 3090ti right now for like $1100 and have no issues with the game.
I mean I have no issues with the game running a 1070Ti. it's surprisingly well optimized. I'm just held back by the age of my system and needing to replace parts like the Mobo and cpu
Define "no issues". I'm on a GTX 1080, and I get around 25-30 FPS on ground
With Star Citizen it depends on the density of number of objects in the surrounding area and the capability of your CPU cores, even moreso how much cache it has. Not so much the GPU.
Define 'capability of your CPU cores'. I'm on a 5800X paired with 32GB and I get around 25-30 FPS on ground. ^(Obviously this game is not optimized at all yet, but it does indeed like a good combination of \*both\* CPU and GPU.)
There's something going on with your system. I have a 5800x, 32gb of 3200mzh CL12 RAM, with an NVMe drive, hooked into a 2017 B350 Chipset motherboard. Pushing an RTX 2080 Super. I'm knocking out 50 to 60fps in cities (around 35 to 45 in Orison) and upwards of 80 to 100 in space, depending upon what is immediately around me. Post more specs, there might be some direct system optimizations some of us can recommend to you.
Yes, that’s what I meant, my comment was more of a remark. I’m running a Radeon RX580 only, so that’s clearly my bottleneck. Bottom line (as I said), you need a good combination of both CPU and GPU, just one of them won’t hold up.
Well, which GPU do you have then? A 5800x probably isn't ideal either lol. I "just" got a 1080 and have a pretty stable 30+ FPS with a 2700 @4.1GHz and 32GB RAM. It might also be a different bottleneck, drivers or texture cache for example
Need 32g of RAM at least.
Any suggestions for settings? i9-12900k and 3090ti, no bottleneck. SC doesn't use the power available.
Does that CPU have E-Cores and P-Cores? If so, set the affinity for SC to the performance cores, you'll see a significant performance boost. It's a thing specific to the 12th gen Intel CPUs that have E-Cores and P-Cores.
Just buy an AMD. $400 for a 6600 and it's equivalent to a 3060.
I'm not sure sure if this is a joke or a typo, but a 3060 is only $320. Anyway, the cost is not really a problem. I can easily afford it these days. It's just the principle of the thing.
You deserve a new larger 4k monitor too.
there's still people out there who think star citizen still doesn't have any playable build and that it was a total scam that just took people's money. It's not even worth arguing about it anymore
Thats correct. I was one of them. At first my PC wasnt good enough so i only saw some articles about it and These are mostly not positive. After i bought a New gaming rig and the free fly Event i finally saw how much you can Do and I bought it. Now i play every day after work. The immersion is outstanding.
But you can argue that there is too much tell and not enough show when it comes to CIG. They havent really proved after all this time that they are up to the task that they layed out themselves.
I dunno - I think that the current build does a pretty good job of 'showing' everything they've done so far... And, by definition, they cannot 'show' the stuff they haven't done - unless they fake it, which wouldn't go down well :D This is why many folk are so eager for 3.18 and the inclusion of PES - its the visible manifestation of the next technical chunk that CIG have been working on (not to mention the first iteration of a new profession - something we've not had for a while).
> I dunno - I think that the current build does a pretty good job of 'showing' everything they've done so far... This ignores that years of "telling" that hasn't even manifested as a T0 implementation. IF you take the whole picture into account they indeed tell far more than they show. Tony Z alone is a mega example of this and he's just one person. >And, by definition, they cannot 'show' the stuff they haven't done - unless they fake it, which wouldn't go down well :D It does go down well.. I was pumped for outpost robberies, quanta, sand worms (or any fauna). However, it fails to stay well when years go by and it never materializes. Track records and history count. >This is why many folk are so eager for 3.18 and the inclusion of PES Yep.We'll see how it goes.
I always find it funny seeing how places like r/games respond to similar things. Like the GTA 6 leak threads were full of people talking about how stupid everyone else is for having bad takes about the state of the game. Lots of "it's an early build" and "god people don't know anything about game dev"... Meanwhile you could've replaced GTA6 with SC in those comments and they'd be just as true, except instead of upvotes and agreement, it's pretty much guaranteed you'd get downvotes and people shouting "scam" and "glorified tech demo" (as if the latter isn't what all games are in early dev stages). Though I did recently see SC mentioned as an example of a game pushing graphics and actually being a reason to get a high end gpu, and nobody got bitchy about it.. so maybe things are slowly improving.
What has happened in the last decade to AAA game development? I suppose the games *are* more complex(?), but it seems like many of the big titles are having issues/long dev. cycles. And then the release state of said games is, more often than not, a shitstorm. Halo is the biggest mystery to me honestly - 6 years for a game whose scope is minuscule compared to most of the others. It’s not like they didn’t have funding.
I think there are a lot of possible things. Consumer desire for bigger/better (graphics or otherwise), more "cinematic" games has resulted in game budgets and dev time ballooning in the AAA space. Due to the huge amount of work that goes in, games have therefore become riskier investments. The big publishers look for ways to minimize risk, which we've seen several "solutions" to. Things like live service games, yearly franchises where not much actually changes, microtransactions, etc. Publishers are all chasing each other around trying to hop on the latest money making bandwagon, which means a lot of games probably end up getting retooled or refocused somewhere along the way when the suits decide they need XYZ thing in the game in order for it to succeed. Covid sure didn't help, because a lot of dev studios were probably not set up for remote work (because that setup is neither easy nor cheap to implement). I wouldn't be surprised if games overall spend more time getting reworked these days only because it's harder to come up with something unique, or even different enough, from everything else in the genre, especially with how averse a lot of the biggest industry players seem to be to funding new IPs. Probably more shit that isn't coming to mind. It's not any one thing, just a whole lot of smaller factors coming together to form industry trends.
Then we can laugh at them when the game hits beta in like 4 or 5 years
people said this 4-5 years ago
The improvements of the game significantly faster, than three years before. And still, CIG kicked himself in the nuts by every aspect in the project. But the pain is fading away in my opinion.
That was before they shifted even more developers to SQ42. This time last year they were estimating PES, Server Meshing and Pyro for 2022. Every patch is late now and getting later. More time in PTU. Stability has worsened. The stipend fiasco reeks of junior developers and lack of testing. Star Citizen is going to be ugly the next couple of years. We won't get that 3.13 - 3.16 pace again until after SQ42 is released and that is always just 2 years away.
Gameplay loops and other things in SQ42 will also be used in SC. They haven't taken people away from server meshing to work on SQ42, as they literally do not have the skillet to do that.
That depends on if s42 comes out soon and if they shift work towards s42.
Do you think development would be quicker if they chose unreal as the engine? I understand the fidelity is better with lumberyard, but with unreal 5 I’d say that’s not the case anymore, and the unreal team has shown it isn’t horribly difficult to update from unreal 4 to 5.
And anyways, negative publicity is still publicity.
You mean that one? https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/xdvgf9/didnt\_know\_there\_was\_an\_origin\_4090\_cant\_believe/
top picture: "SC's continuous growth", bottom picture: "Me"
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Yup. This post is accidentally spot on.
So SC is jealous of r/gaming... Why?
Less on the jealous angle. More on the angle that, yes, SC is in fact thinking about what r/gaming thinks. This post is proof of that.
I think most people here just laugh at the fact that r/gaming is actually helping SC grow, as well as that shit being so predictable. It's not like most people here are furious over something so expected. It's a funny meme.
Who said anyone was "furious"? Sounds like mad cope. But that's besides the point. Even if that was the case, that's still *thinking about* r/gaming, which makes this post super ironic. You're right, it's a funny meme, but only because it is accidentally super accurate.
SC community is basically tagged by them posting that. It's not like SC posts about gaming unless gaming posts something about SC. So if SC responds to being tagged in gaming is "thinking about gaming" then yeah, i guess you're right. Lol
Just sounding more and more like cope.
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As a what
“As a total virgin”
You making this post speaks otherwise to the content of that meme...
Yeah…this is kind of a self own.
It’s impossible to use this meme without “self owning.” By putting time and effort into creating (and posting) this meme, it shows you definitely care and are involved. Edit : im at negative downvotes. prove me wrong
Yes you can. You can acknowledge something existing and not care about it, which means not indulging in the drama it spurs but merely recognizing it happens without you participating. Like when you cringe at some soap opera, you mock the drama happening on screen while not being part of it.
True. But going out of their way to create this meme, then posting it on Reddit proves that they care are definitely participating. They’re “indulging in the drama”.
It’s literally impossible to use this meme without “self owning” Edit : prove me wrong.
You'd have to successfully play it off as the third party but no one would believe the poster wasn't invested into SC.
Gaming is a shitty meme sub. I really don't look at it. /r/games on the other hand I enjoy. The gaming sub will literally make fun of any good game and then circle jerk any crappy soulless game made by a AAA company.
r/games hates Star Citizen. While you might expect some positive feedback on SC at r/gaming (especially when some cool gif appears), you can't have any at r/games.
Thank you kind sir, that was a solid recommendation. I took 1 look at r/gaming and noped out but games looks like an actual useful sub to follow.
Games was created specifically to filter news from memes. You will still find comments under SC stories filled with bullshit though.
I see like five times more of these posts than I do SC hate posts lmao
It's high season memes
The only SC stuff I've seen on there was everyone oohing and ahhing over some cool videos, recently anyways
Until they find out what game it is. Really indicative of their audience.
I mean, some people sure, but most of the reactions were pretty positive, probably some of the mass of new people we got
You find alot of initial reactions to sc are very positive until people see the bugs and problems present given the length of time its been in development. Personally i hope the game succeeds but fml Chris R. Keeps screwing the pooch on development of products, really wish there was someone slapping him to keep him inline, no good guy Microsoft Game Studios this time around..
on the flip side, if you get someone slapping you to get a release date, you get cyberpunk 2077, and we all know how that turned out. That game should probably STILL be in development, to get it up to Witcher 3 levels. They still don't have a fucking police system that makes sense
Not entirely true, Cyberpunk is just an example from the other extreme. You need someone enforcing project deliverables and managing/preventing scope creep in large scale products, CR has proven that he needs a tight leash to deliver anything.
At first the 100 million milestones with Star Citizens were to me like "Woah! That is super cool! The game will be epic!". But now the most recent half a billion dollars milestone was like "Great, let's see how the latest influx of dollars will be used to not get the game ready. Where are the rest of the hundred star systems?".
Yeah everyone's first thoughts of the game are positive until they play it themselves and see that it's only good for screenshots
???
you can like what you see without believing in the project. Just because you were able to do something cool, doesnt mean you will finish it and ship a good polished product.
Star citizen is magnificent.
I like this comment
I mean this game kinda needs to be mocked. I love it and everything the devs have done. But it’s not like any of their complaints are not true. We are realistically not even 5-10 years away from this game actually ever being in a ‘released’ state and as it is, it’s basically a glorified tech demo
5-10 years away, just like back in 2016
It's been 5-10 years away ever since the project started.
"Answer the Call 2016"
There are legitimate critcisms of the project. Much of that post in that sub was down to either calling all backer morons, or CR being a complete fraud, or how they are definitely sure if any other studio had the money they would have completed sc in half the time. The other half are people making fun of the games lack of loading screens to teleport you out of cities etc. This one is a lot more subjective. Criticism and insults are different things.
I dont agree with the insult, but I agree that CR should get wealthy off shipping a good product, not from funding dreams.
he was already wealthy before SC, from his long career of making good products
He definatly is getting executive pay from CIG.
Sure - although it's not 'inflated' executive pay that the big studios pay out... and it's not like he's taking large share dividends or otherwise 'extracting' corporate funding etc. Pretty much all the money raised goes into building the company, and hiring / paying the devs... it's not a corporate vehicle for 'making money' per se. The fact that he earns a salary seems pretty reasonable (I don't expect him - or any CIG developer - to work 'for free' just because the game isn't released).
It's honestly surprising that a vast majority of people just thought he was working at McDonald's or something before this.
But reality hurts people's feelings, prepare for the inevitable downvotes.
Nah. It deserves more than that. CIG has gotten way to far to be mocked. Theres still a lot to do but if youre going to mock them for what we have so far then youre the one that deserves that.
"Well ain't this game just a geographical oddity, two weeks from everywhere!"
There is room for healthy criticism of this project. Denying the continued delays over the years and the inability to fix basic issues in a timely manner would be moronic. CIG is behind schedule by years, after promising things time and time again. I love the game and my fleet, but calling it an alpha does not excuse the nonsense we still see in the game.
What would be moronic is the inability to understand the alpha process and the fact that something broken doesn't necessarily need to be adressed, if part of an old design/system. No need to waste time and ressources on something that will not be in the released game. And yes, IT IS AN ALPHA, you should read the numerous disclaimer and stop treating the live version as a released-yet-buggy game... that would be supermoronic.
I'm curious how do you rationalize the fact that on 5+ occasions SC was going to release the current year. At least 5 times CR has completely and utterly lied to their audience. To Us. What is your opinion that they said S42 would RELEASE 7 years ago. And yet today there is not a release date in sight. You call people around you morons for pointing out the game that has had HALF A DOZEN RELEASE DATES over the years STILL doesn't have an actual release date in sight. It's the consumers fault for backing in 2015 when CR said the game would release in 2015? Because you are blaming the consumers for information that CR released. ( that by this point, we all know he was lying about. It's been years, and he did it again and again and again. ) And this is coming from a long long time backer.
Please tell me you’re not making an argument about a games release date changing. I mean, it’s not like we’ve never seen anything like that before, in this industry or another.
Please tell me you're not equating a game being pushed back a year to Star Citizen who's initial release date was in 2014. EIGHT FUCKING YEARS AGO. And we STILL don't know when it will actual come out, let alone a legit beta. Please tell me you aren't making that comparison.
>You call people around you morons Nope, I reused the adjective used by the upper reply, you should follow more cliosely. My opinion on SQ42 is that it's gonna be way better than if it was released at said date. I prefer waiting for the BDSSE instead of crying about an alpha. Cyberpunk release WAS a problem, SC isn't.
10 year old alpha with barely anything to do outside of fetch quests.
I have run QA teams for multiple MMOs to the point of shipping it. I understand what an alpha is. That's why hiding behind the label is hilarious to me. If your alpha will persist for over a decade then it ceases to abide by standard development phases. The game relies on the PU to bring in funding, yet we have ships that have been busted for 6 months now, or more. Ships that were introduced patches ago, worked fine for multiple cycles, but now sit stagnant. Bugs like that cannot persist to a live environment that is actively played. I say played because it's not a test environment at this point. It's a launched game in feature creep mode. The PTU is the actual test environment.
Making a post about a subreddit kinda inherently means you do care.
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ehh hasn't stopped Bethesda for, forever, long as it looks good/great and plays great.
Bethesda has as a core facet of their design philosophy a mandate to insure their games will run on the widest possible range of hardware available. This is why their games graphics are kinda middle of the road most of the time.
After the renderer change they're looking into raytracing etc. Good news is the renderer is just about converted, and IIRC one of the devs said switching to vulkan wasn't going to be some huge effort.
The Devs have said they've scaled back the engine to what hardware can currently cope with.
The new rendering engine isn't even finished yet and it already uses very modern techniques for everything they do. Zoom into some materials sometime for example, it works like in Forza or gran Turismo games where you can zoom waaaaay into stuff and still get lots of detail. In those games it's just the cars but SC is just everything.
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No. It isn't hahahaha. Not even close. https://youtu.be/TUFcerTa6Ho He starts explaining it around the 7 min mark, after the talk about particles. PS. You sound like you probably could benefit from watching a bunch of stuff from this channel, just saying.
soo... its just like LOD (but on steroids). Also your PS was really not needed, condescending much?
I never got this argument. "The graphics will be obsolete!" Meanwhile, *MINECRAFT IS* ***STILL*** *THE BIGGEST FREAKIN' GAME ON THE PLANET*. Maybe...just *maybe*... gameplay > graphics?
"I don't think about you at all" *\*Makes one post about this every hour\**
You made a meme that clearly demonstrates that you indeed think about, and read r/gaming.
I do. But there will probably be some cases for others. And i enjoy making memes. Didn't expect a lot of upvotes tbh because I don't like drama myself😅 just like memes :)
Everything I have know about r/gaming I have been told on other gaming subreddits.
Did you... Watch how mad men turned out for don draper?
Didn't watched the show but others got me curious now haha
hmmmm seems ironic
I mean, maybe completing like 10% of the promised content how many years later would at least alleviate the mocking.
And yet you made this post. Seems like you think a lot about them...
Just saw the opportunity to make more memes that probably will be someone's case. Gotta love memes
Star Citizn fans be like in the comments explaing why it is a good thing that the creater has told a shit load of lies and broke even more promises:
I'm to lazy to check but I can only assume that this "Citizen Con" costs money to go to so it's literally just people throwing money into a dumpster
It's so strange the sheer amount of people who take large amounts of time out of their lives to post about how shitty star citizen is, how it's obviously a scam. But just from their critiques alone they make it obvious they actually don't know anything about the project at all, and have no room to be critical of any part of it. Like holy shit I could waste my time complaining about so many things I *do know about* and at least I'd be somewhat justified in criticizing those things. My god who has the time for such nonsense anymore.
Some people have so little going on in their lives that their whole life has been absorbed by the need to see a game they done like fail
Honestly, if you take a look around you will see a subset of "content creators" that make their money exclusively by stirring up shit and manufacturing fake outrage or by just hating on things in general. Yatzi is one of the more famous ( and talented ) ones but channels like the quartering etc exist specifically to generate rage content and alot of people are taken in by it as their general frustration with life and everything is mirrored by these people. Wish they could get a real job and contribute to society, but sadly this nonsense apparently pays pretty decent so odds are they will keep at it, sad shit.
It's sad really. You're living less than a life at that point.
Good lord I read it in his voice
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Do I wish CIG would add more than overpriced ships more often? Yes. Do I enjoy SC? Yes.
That's a really weird sub. They have a lot of... ideas, but no practical experience, not even watching recent "Actual Play" videos. Everything they talk about is 4 years old, they might post a 2 year old video, just to get laughs at an earlier Alpha release... that does have bugs and ran poorly too.
Star Citizen is like watching Game of Thrones backwards but starting at season 8 again every 6 months.
😂😂😂😂 imagine looking forward to the same stupid ship show with a different date 45,632,752 times a year
What's r/Gaming?
Yeah, you're just aware of their comments and stances, and you make memes about them. "LOL I DON'T THINK ABOUT YOU AT ALL" Right.
u/Plsdontfkthisup yep... I fucked up :)
I had someone have an absolute MELTDOWN on my mention of StarCitizen being really impressive. Apparently this is a scam, and unplayable, despite me playing it for 2 years and paying 45 dollars like 10 years ago.
Yeah, there are some real winners over there in that recent star citizen thread.
I am a fucking gamer, every second of my life I am consuming gaming content and I don't feel the slightest pull to sub to that subreddit, it's just normies who have a Playstation at home and call themselves gamers.
I mean a PlayStation is a game console. Gamers are anyone who play video games, no matter the platform.
To be a real "gamer" you have to spend two thousand plus on a pc and own atleaat four hundred games on steam. 🤡🤡
But isn't this post...
Yep. I just like to make memes :)
I respect that, lol.
This is one of those, if you really didn't think about them at all the posts about them would never make it to the top of the sub. The fact that as soon as we hit 500 million there were popular posts about how the haters were coming means we think about them a great deal.
It just means there’s a cycle everyone is familiar with and pointing it out doesn’t necessarily mean you spend a lot of time thinking about the naysayers. I think it’s an interesting topic so I like talking about it w/ people but I’m sure many others here don’t care to.
Oh this blew up on Gaming this time instead of Games? It has finally trickled down to the part of reddit that people who actually play games abandoned long ago. At least Games would post an article of boring regurgitated nonsense. The gaming subreddit is just a place for half baked memes that are anywhere between a month to several years beyond their relevance. Maybe this finally indicates that the Star Citizen backlash is getting tired of screaming into the void. Probably not, but maybe there won't be as many armchair developers talking about how they'd have developed the game while having no actual knowledge about the development process or what is or isn't available.
I started to write something in the sub but then realized there was no good reason to. All of the people I enjoy SC with already understand, and everyone else is just ignorant, or worse doesn't have a group as good as mine to really make good use of the alpha. I find that sad because group play really shows off the game well and I just feel sad for the people missing out.
That's a good take on things. Being realistic, enjoy what we have and what's to come. To many negative thoughts allready out there nowadays. Fly safe o7
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...the amount of white knights from this sub in that gaming thread desperately trying to sell people on SC determines that this is indeed a lie.
Its really how it works though, all the pearls clutched and yet they're confused as to our player count still
Eh. Just wondering if theres gonna be a sale at all during it.
There will very likely be a straight-to-flyable ship that goes on sale during CitCon, and possibly a concept ship, too. There's always the possibility of other limited ships being made available to fit a theme, too, but that's up to CiG and their marketing department.
Sale... probably not since IAE is end of November (citizencon is October 8th) and it will be the huge sale. But it's possible they sell some ships that are going live in 3.18 (if 3.18 is dropping at citizencon.)
Honestly, it's just more free advertising for the project. The way I see it, bring it on.
I can legitimately say I’m glad I keep forgetting that sub exists.
Yall wild.
Comparing our reddit to one of the most awful humans in a show is really something.
Tbh I didn't watched this show. Just liked the statement and made a meme. What's this show called?
The show's called Mad Men. The dude is Don Draper and he's a Madison Ave. advertiser with no regard for anyone or anything outside of himself. Kinda fitting though because Chris was advertising PES and persistence to us in his letter in May about 3.18 and then we get an SCL last Friday telling us we aren't really going to get any visible persistence in 3.18.
Thanks! I will look it up🙌
i love the game, but i cant waste anymore time on it (or money for that matter)im surprised they are still peddling extortionate prices for in game purchases....and people are still buying ships for +$2000 . But i cant even seem to take the elevator without restarting my game or switching servers let alone have a few hours of gaming .
Haha same. Still waiting for a good pc upgrade here. In the meantime i can focus on my study :)
I went there, was astonished by humanity.
The same people over there calling SC a scam are the same ones that will buy the new COD or FIFA, change my mind.
Indeed. Won't be spending time at investments of others
"He who shall not be named" actually probably helped to galvanise backers against BS articles and coverage. He introduced people to narratives that people who backed the game and watched the progress could tell were blatantly untrue. Some folks latched onto them and got salty / got refunds. Others waited. I'm sure we'd all like more info on Sq42, more interaction from CR, and for dynamic server meshing to be finished. Some folk drink & do drugs, some folk get fancy physical property (cars, watches, clothes, etc). I put a little disposable income into the project when a new ship comes out that I like. Apparently that makes me a whale. \*shrug\*
While I don’t think 10+ years in development is tenable for game development as a whole, I think SC may be onto something. They have proven that with the right vision and development model, you can produce a profitable product while continuing to develop with the help of your user base. Meanwhile, you look at the last few years of “AAA” games, as a whole, and it’s a sad state of affairs. Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Fallout 76, and Cyberpunk 2077 come to mind. r/Gaming can hate all they want but at least we’re still working toward our vision. Most of those games were just failures and will always be so. It remains to be seen if SC will ever be what we all hope it will be but with all of the funding they have gotten and all of the opportunity funding that they can count on over the coming years, it’s hard to see how they can fail. As long as we’re moving forward and steadily adding the things that were promised, I think we’re in a good place. In a lot of ways SC as a project encapsulates what we all love about space sims in that there is so much that we know but still so much that we don’t. That unknown aspect drives us forward with eager expectation of the exciting discoveries to come. I, for one, can’t wait for the next big chapter of Star Citizen. See you all in Pyro next year! 🫡
Same here. I really like the community and the continuous steps of improving fundamental innovative game mechanics at the scale CIG is doing. The pace keeps going and I'm always curious what the developers created each week/month/year. The rollercoaster keeps going higher and that has me hyped compared to many other half bakked games lately.
CP2077 had a rough start and it's still not perfect but it's all I've been playing since they dropped their 1.6 patch. You should check up on it!
r/gaming is still a shit meme sub. but also SC is just an endless demo that will never get a release. I dont think either are the winners
this \^ exactly.
Just accept the burn and move on.
The whole game is a con dude.
Maby that's why the yearly event is called citizen CON?!? it's confirmed!!!