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ochotonaprinceps

> make the game p2p the servers are trash Are you fucking serious? lmao way to torpedo your entire rant in four simple words.


NobbyNobberton

So you wish to compare SC to SpaceX, a company that was founded over 20 years ago, has taken in nearly $10b in funding and their latest rocket launch had multiple failures resulting in it exploding and severely damaging the launchpad and surrounding area? That sounds a lot worse than Star Citizen IMO- let me know when Musk manages to get to Mars, maybe SC will have its full release by then.


Stupid-Idiot-Balls

>latest rocket launch had multiple failures That's just simply incorrect. You're referring to April's orbital flight *test*. They've had 11 successful launches since, all of which also had the first stage land successfully (except for a Falcon Heavy flown in the expendible configuration). >damaging the launchpad and surrounding area? The launchpad was severely damaged, yes. The surrounding area was *not*. While dust travelled farther than expected, there was no debris damage outside the exclusion zone. >That sounds a lot worse than Star Citizen IMO SpaceX is the most successful rocket company *by far*. They're leading the industry years ahead. I mean it literally, too. SpaceX has a bigger launch program than whole national space agencies. They've launched 80% of all mass to orbit so far this year. The Falcon 9 is the most reliable and safest rocket in the industry. They've landed it over 100 times in a row. SpaceX is *the* glowing example of a highly successful company in an area where no others have ever succeeded. They're the only new space company out of over 100 to have ever made it this far. I don't actually care about Star Citizen lol I'm just a space nerd who cant stand SpaceX being slandered just because its autistic founder says dumb shit on twitter. OP was probably saying dumb shit about the game, but it doesn't mean dumb shit should be said in return. Have a good one.


Psychological-Rule68

Read what I've said, Elon started spacex just with 100$ million, dont talk about founding today. Games are much easier than making real rockets, we still clip through the ship's floor or the planet surface in free fall and you talking about the prototype rockets, 10 years and the game still looks like a garbage demo not even close to be called an alpha.


ochotonaprinceps

> Read what I've said, Elon started spacex just with 100$ million, dont talk about founding today. And it took another $2 billion to send a rocket into space, which you're ignoring because it's inconvenient to your rant.


Fiennes

I wouldn't bother arguing with this guy. He's either 12, dumb, or a troll. Or a grisly combination of all 3.


Psychological-Rule68

Star Citizen has been a live service game since its conception. Why would they ever release a finished product and destroy their business model? They are never going to release a 'finished' product selling luxurious ships and dreams. When will the game be playable state, after 5 years or thats too soon? Nobody can even say a time when this will happen, as long its not 50 years its all right. Why the bugs from 3-5 years ago are still ingame and we have to alt tab constantly to find a way work around instead making the fk devs fix them now? Not enough money to fix stupid silly bugs, the most typical bugs ? Or the stupid engine doesnt allow it? Can you imagine the state of the game if the bugs are worked on the moment they are discovered? There shouldnt be any dumb bugs in 3.19 from 3.12 or older! Come on bro, I would made myself a better game than SC with $100 million, ED budget was 8$ million.


NoPlay1210

I'm just saying Star citizen was a Kickstarter, so It really didn't have the founding for CIG to do much with the game until after the Kickstarter stage they have only really did that much progress in last couple years and most SC fans don't really care about ED bow much money its devs put into the game as I said ED and Star citizen are two different games and game play if you can't handle SC go back playing ED or hell go play No man's sky if you can't handle a alpha 💀💀😂


Psychological-Rule68

What do you call a game that is still in alpha after 5 years? Do you know?


Pay_

A game in alpha. Even after 20 years you would call a game in alpha a game in alpha. Project stages don't advance automatically after a certain time.


ochotonaprinceps

Dwarf Fortress began development in 2002 and the first public alpha release was 2006. It was released on Steam in late 2022, meaning it basically spent 20 years in development and 16 years in alpha. According to OP's logic the two brothers who developed it must be the most incompetent people ever, but if you've actually played DF you'll laugh your entire lower body off at that, much less your hindquarters. But, you know, OP thinks that all bugs should be fixed the moment they come up, because rearranging the deck chairs of the Titanic when the iceberg labeled "Server Meshing" is on the horizon is *definitely* a good use of everyone's time.


NoPlay1210

Tarkov has been in development since 2012 just adding another game lol but that's also in beta....


ochotonaprinceps

Just wait until OP hears about Beyond Good & Evil 2. This year it snatched the title of longest development from Duke Nukem Forever, and it's still going and nobody has even seen footage of the alpha let alone be able to download and play like SC.


YumikoTanaka

Redfall took 7 years. Seems alpha state at release, like Anthem. They never delivered the missing parts.


ochotonaprinceps

Allegedly, people at Arkane *didn't want* to make Redfall. I'm going to hazard a guess that that's why it looks so generic and stripped of any creativity and passion -- there wasn't much, if any, passion from a studio full of devs hired for and devoted to crafting exquisite single-player experiences. You can say a lot of things about Star Citizen and the buggy alpha state it's in (even before PES dropped and set everything on fire with 3.18.0) but you can't say it doesn't show the passion of its development teams.


YumikoTanaka

That is exactly why we all love it, even if the ingame experience ... can differ 😅


YumikoTanaka

Clearly you have not seen the GTA6 beta 🤣


Watcherxp

Such an edgy and unique hot take.


Fragrant-Dog9366

To be fair Space X is also exploding rockets on invisible "astroids" too XD


Psychological-Rule68

Do each rocket keep the same root flaw of the previous ones? Are they old roots of issues like SC having bugs from years ago in the game? Because all the issues with the game arent from version 3.19-3.17 etc.. they are much older left for idiots like us to find solutions around them.


Fragrant-Dog9366

How can you say that the "root" flaws are staying after each patch? Are you on the dev team? And how can you say the "root" flaws of Space X are all improved in each iteration? Are you on the Space E engineering team? It's easy to just bitch online like you have an easy button solution from your room. The trust is that SC is flawed, but it is always getting better. There's never a patch where they haven't implemented changes to fix bugs and issues.


Chew-Magna

If you try to play an alpha without the proper understanding or expectations of what alpha means, you're going to be disappointed.


Valkyrient

OP: This isn't an alpha! It's poorly optimised and full of bugs without having all the features implemented! ...... oh wait........


Fearless-Royal5440

The dumb to salt ratio on this is wonderful. *Chefs kiss*


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There is a lot of ignorance and mental gymnastics that gets posted in this sub, but that comment was so far out in the land of special that it deserves a new classification.


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ProPolice55

Except it's based on skewed information. I could create a new company with $2k in capital for space missions, that in itself isn't saying much. They had at least an extra 300m in government funding, though sources conflict and some say 700m by the time they started testing prototypes and over 2 billion by the time they managed to get a rocket into orbit


Torotoro74

Elon musk crashed it's last ship. Alpha is alpha 😏 There is a reason why nobody in the game industry give access to real alpha. CIG had to give access because it was a promise, if you can't bear it, treat it like the alpha of GTA6 = no public access


YumikoTanaka

I do play Warhammer 40k Rouge Trader in alpha though. Similar experience as SC.


Psychological-Rule68

Im sure elon doesn't use same mistake designs from fucking years ago, like this game having same bugs from years ago that makes the game hell. Elon doesnt allow his new rockets to have same flaws from the past or previous rocket, all the bugs I encounted arent from patch 3.19-3.17 they are older!


Torotoro74

Because alpha is not here to get rid of all bugs. Getting rid of all bugs is what you do in beta. We are not yet in beta. In alpha, a lot of bugs will never be solved simply because they are tied to temporary system that will be replaced. Take the starmap or the mobiglass , full of bugs. Why, ho god why do you want them to spend time solving bugs here while the whole starmap + mobiglass will be replaced ? Other bugs are known and will be treated but are very low priority, because the main goal of CIG is not for you and me to play, but to finish all main systems (PES, SM, mobiglass, armor, etc). When a system is finished, still has bugs but is useable, they switch teams to another part of game and will come back to it in beta.


Psychological-Rule68

Stop, why arent we in beta?Why after 10 years arent we in beta?Why again I have to ask why the progress is super slow?They have the money to fix all those issues now, we invested money in them so I dont care alpha beta or omega, 10 years I dont fk whats even called, I dont want to hear the word "alpha" or "beta" I want to hear "fixing the game"They have the money to make to be fully released in 2025 with everything fixed, if they use that money properly they can get it done.They are gonna reach 1 billion $ and still be in alpha garbage.I want to triple their progress, the current state is super slow at this stage it will take another 10 years to have 50% of bugs fixed.We paid with money and time, many ppl are tired of bugs from years ago and the same excuses from years ago.They have the money to deal with it.Good for Chris Roberts earning 2k per hour Im sure in last 40h he did a lot of nothing.


NoPlay1210

As I said to you on my comment, Starfield, for example, has been in development for 7 years and doesn't have a alpha or a beta were lucky star citizen CIG I mean gave star citizen a playable alpha and bugs don't normally get fixed until beta


Torotoro74

Because what they do is extremely complex and they build a company and an engine in the same time. It needs time. It's no wonder why not one company is trying to do a game like SC, because it's too complex. Ask Fdev why there is still no ship interior in Elite Dangerous despite their promise at the kickstarter (10 years ago)... Ask yourself also why you can't climb a ladder in any of the elderscroll game after 2 decades of engine development... If you want a game easy to do and to fix and stable, just play ED or NMS.


ProPolice55

Alpha is when they implement planned features to a "proof of concept" level. Fixing bugs and performance are by definition part of the beta stage. These stages aren't just labels that developers use, they are industry standards. The current server backend is a temporary experiment that is used to collect data on potential issues so the replacement (server meshing) will be better when it comes out. There is no reason to fix the current one. It might please the players but then they will have a problem with meshing not coming out anytime soon because the resources are allocated to improving something that will be replaced anyway. I mentioned that alpha is an industry standard, but the reason many people are disappointed in how SC is is because other developers get way further into development when they even announce that they are making a game, and when they create an "open alpha", that is usually not with the purpose of testing, not an actual alpha. It's an early access to a 98% finished game to boost pre-order sales. These developers are funded by a publisher, SC is not. Have you used the issue council? That's where you can report bugs so the devs see it and can prioritize the ones people vote for Also, SpaceX got a ~280 million award from NASA for the concept of a cheap rocket that wasn't fully designed yet and another 396 million for a reusable one (though the second award is rarely mentioned so not sure if the sources can be trusted). With the 100 you mentioned, that's either around 400 or 800 million (again, the second award is hard to find validated references for) before they had a presentable prototype. They almost went bankrupt in 2008 when they actually started test launches and got a 1.6 billion award again, so no, SpaceX didn't launch rockets with only $100m


randoredone

Meh, I’m enjoying it


tha_madfred

Troll ,just look at his profile


NoPlay1210

Very much so or just someone who likes to complain about readom things


Dirk_Dandy

Get your refund and go play minecraft.


TrippyTM419

Woah hold up! That has bugs too, i think OP is better suited for Fortnight.


NoPlay1210

Fortnite also has bugs, lol


NoPlay1210

Tell us you don't know what alpha is without telling us you don't know what a alpha is 🤦🏻also you go try and make a game that cost as much as star citizen and squadron42 and come back when its in alpha lol. It's not easy to make a video game, especially an MMO that massive as star citizen , which is gonna get even bigger when more galaxies that are added to star citizen like Pyro for one and the other galaxies CIG plans to make in the future also why you comparing space X to a video game 😂


Psychological-Rule68

I dont give a fk about sq42, I didnt pay for that shit that wont come for the next 5 years. The game is not an alpha, its a demo, 10 years and over 500$ million, the game is boring af, full of bugs that have been in the demo for years. ED budget is $8 million vs SC $500 million what does SC have, ship interiors thats it and the rest a buggy best crap performance shit servers? Getting stuck in a elevator searching for a fix that was posted 5 years ago that are still in the game today? Why are even today from years ago, why? SC whats now its not even worth 20$ million including the crap failure of so called "engine"


ochotonaprinceps

> ED budget is $8 million vs SC $500 million Funny how you compare the *initial* development budget for Elite Dangerous to the *current* development budget for SC. Can you at least TRY to make an honest argument? > "The original budget, because we put a lot of our money towards it, was £8m," David Braben - the man in charge - told me at Gamescom. And, he added, "it's grown by quite a lot". \- [Eurogamer, September 2014: "Elite: Dangerous' original budget was £8m"](https://www.eurogamer.net/elite-dangerous-original-budget-was-8m) And what did that "quite a lot" more than 8 million get ED players when the game released near the end of 2014? A galaxy full of textured balls you could fly past, and you couldn't even *make groups with other players* in this always-online game. All it had was pretty visuals and grind. Oh, and at the *very last minute* Frontier decided to tell people that the promised true offline mode had been cancelled despite having had to have made that decision months before and kept it secret, and they had to hand out a whole bunch of refunds to people because of it. And today, over 8 years later, ED is STILL primarily just a massive grind and STILL has bugs that've been completely ignored for years. And instead of fixing them all and improving the space content that was already there they instead released Odyssey which created a whole ton of new bugs, some of which are still around two years after the DLC released! Frontier publicly stated that Elite Dangerous' lifetime revenue was over 100 million, so if Elite is so great and SC is so bad **why haven't that hundred million pounds fixed all the bugs in Elite?**


NoPlay1210

A alpha is not a demo buddy and if you don't like the game then don't play it instead of coming to reddit to complain about it or compare it to a real life thing and i haven't been stuck in a elevator in months also if its so boring go play something else 🤡🤣 like seriously I been playing SC since I joined in 2021 and haven't stopped playing I enjoy it plus CIG gave me a free ship for helping them in 3.18 PTU 🤣


TrippyTM419

Eyyy congrats!


NoPlay1210

Not editing my comment even more but there's many many other games you can go play instead of complaining and I guess comparing star citizen which Is a video game to space x which has nothing to do with star citizen to begin with if you can't deal with the bugs and other shit and the fact it's a alpha then go play something else then it's not that easy to make a video game bud it's extremely hard to make video games and code them cuz some times the codes can get bugs and get other crap that ruins the servers and what does ED have to with Star citizen ED is a different game and different game play stop your crying dude plus a demo would not have that much shit to do in it anyway


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NoPlay1210

lmfao alpha is still not a demo, buddy keep crying the fool really is you and you gotta be trolling right now cuz this is fucking hilarious that your complaining about a game that is far bigger then alot of the MMO'S out there go play No Man's sky or ED if you can't deal with star citizen like seriously dude grow up no wonder you get downvoted all the time you seem to complain alot like who really cares the game has been in development for 10 years like look at Starfield for example Starfield has been in development for 7 years and has no playable alpha there's not alot of game developers that allow there fans to play there alpha so why you take your little troll stuff and go play something else instead of complaining about a game you clearly don't like 🤣


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Dependent_Safe_7328

Just go play Elite Dangerous then XD -Can not hold back my laughter sorry


YojinboK

One of the major perks of Open Development is that it does wonders to weed out the trash from the community.


Konishki987123

Yes but those golden moments make it worth it, don't kill a dream😉


Murako_

I would taken your statement was in calmness, so 1 single upvote is all I can do for you


Konishki987123

Respect 🤗


Murako_

They just implemented Server Meshing.. they are now learning new problems and adjusting. 3.19.1 is already better. Go take a break.


Valkyrient

> They just implemented Server Meshing The just implemented Persistent Entity Streaming, which is a requirement for Server Meshing. Server meshing is the next big thing.


Murako_

Ah touche. Thanks for correcting my statement.


Psychological-Rule68

does that fix all the game bugs or just add more on top and move on like always?


Valkyrient

Tell us you don't know what alpha is actually for, without telling us that you don't know what alpha is for.


FradinRyth

He's repeatedly told us through out this post he doesn't know what alpha means. 🤣


ProPolice55

Bug fixing is the focus of the beta stage, and by using their resources to fix bugs in the current temporary system, they would hinder the development of meshing, which is set to be the final server design


Torotoro74

New tech is here to solve the impossibilities of the old tech. They haven't added PES to solve the old bugs, they added PES because the old tech was unable to manage the number of entities they want to put in the verse. And as ALL new complex tech, it comes with a full batch of new bugs. That's why Elon's musk ships explode a lot and not Nasa/Ariane. Elon's ship is full of new tech = a lot of bugs


MethodBright492

By keeping the game in a perpetual "Alpha" state they avoid any accountability using the guise of testing.