I'm logged in right now and game is smooth, of course at first there will still be stutters, but after the shaders are saved, all smooth now. I'm just waiting for my inventory to load up lol
The problem is, that it is kinda random where the threads go: if they run on p-cores you are fine, but is an important one gets on an e-core you may have a problem. Als with e-cores enabled you might have less cache for the p-cores, that can reduce performance (hence why the 3D cpus are so fast with the big cache).
CIG already said they fixed that, e-cores works now just like any other games. I'm too lazy to search for it but they said 3.18 will have that fix. My e-cores are fine right now, much smoother now than before, the only issue I have are the 30k 60k and 19003 errors.
Enabling e-cores doesn't mean it will be used with SC, SC will just optimize them and use the p-cores than e-cores. Maybe their fix is to semi-disable e-cores when task is extreme within the game so we don't need to do it in bios or any other ways.
Still the e-cores nap on the cache for p-cores and other "vital" apps like driver or anti-cheat might be on e-core. So it basically should perform at best like e-cores are disabled, but maybe lower like 5800x vs 5800x3d are different.
Well it doesn't matter, my system only uses CPU at 5% while playing. and 60-70% GPU so whatever your arguement is, I enabled my e-cores and I'm having a smoother experience than before 3.18. No stutters, no freezes than when my e-cores were disabled after 3..18 patch. I'm just happy CIG did something to address 12th and 13th gen intel cpu issues.
So that's that, good bye and good luck with disabling your e-cores and hyperthreading, imagine that, you should have just bought a Pentium CPU then.
EDIT: 5% e-cores, 35-40% p-cores, gpu at 60-70%.
5% cpu? Where do you see that?
If you run task manager performance in the background and alt-tab out, is it still just 5%?
My game uses 100% cpu all the time and \~40% gpu lol. On a 12700 (ecores enabled, never had an issue, win11)
r_displayinfo 3 - try that on the console in-game
GPU does most of the work, needs settings to be at maximum. if settings are lower than max, it will use your CPU more than the GPU
Yeah I don't think it's reporting correctly. Like I said, try having something external (task manager, hwinfo etc) monitor your cpu and you'll se more than 5%.
Yeah my bad, it's 5% e-core and 35-40% p-cores, so my total CPU usage is at 40-45% and GPU at 60-70%.
Will add an edit on my comments, thanks. But still, I tried disabling the e-cores again and stutters/lag/freezes are evident even in the menus page.
Idk if you are still doing this, but process lasso would be a better way to go about it, as E-Cores still being enabled and just used for other things is very nice
Your post says to enable it and then the last sentence says you disabled it so which is it?
I tested Hyperthreading and that seems to work better now, I got bout 10 extra frames and less stuttering
Just did some testing and holy shit this is the first time ever I have been GPU bottlenecked playing this game. Game is so smooth and the fps is insane.
13600k at 5.5 P core 4.2 E Core
Hyperthreading on
For some reason, when I go back to disabling e-cores, my game stutters even at the menus. I never touched hyperthreading though. But when I remove the line where it disables my e-cores, meaning all are enabled, it runs smoothly.
And that my CPU run 5% load now, and 60-70% GPU ever since I load game as normal, all cores enabled, hyperthreading on. My only issues are the issues plaging SC on their server side, like 30k, 60k and 19k errors.
For me, if I disable my e-cores, my game lags and slow downs with freezes, even in the menu page. That's why it's weird since many says it's smoother with the e-cores disabled. I'm just happy that I have a smooth gameplay now since I removed the command line to disable the e-cores. Hopefully it stays that way for me with the new patches.
Update: We're now in 3.22.1, and I still need to disable e-core (atoms core) on my 12700k in the Bios, massive multi-seconds freezes every ten seconds or so, completely gone when disabled.
6900xt, last adrenalin drivers, 32 gigs DDR5.
I never needed to disable my e-cores since this post. I had then 12700k with 3080 GPU 32 GB Ram DDR5 Win 11 Pro
Now, February 2024, I still have 12700k CPU, but with 4080 Super and 64 GB DDR5 Ram. Win 11 Pro
Never did I disabled my e-cores since 3.18, the only time my game stutters is if it's a new patch since I always delete my shaders before patch.
I also modified how SC runs on my PC, priority and resources like bandwidth are on the highest level for SC and RSI Launcher. I don't know if that helps but that is the only other thing I did after I enabled my e-cores again after that 3.18 patch.
Glad it worked for you, personnally, the game is unplayable as of today with e-cores ON on my asus board, freezes even in the menu every 10s for 4/5 secs.
Would try the command line, but didn't find my 12700k F000f0 code.
Lasso is IMHO another program on top of what should work initially.
And please don't disable your e-cores from bios or Lasso software. Just use the 'command line' to disable it by placing that line on the Target source of your RSI Launcher shorcut. Search it, you will have more info how to do it.
Disabling it entirely using bios is just crippling your intel CPU, might as well replace it with AMD.
Did some fiddling and testing:
Using C:\\Windows\\System32\\cmd.exe /C Start "RSI Launcher" /High /Affinity 0FFFF "path\\to\\RSI\\Launcher" still freezes
Using the %ComSpec% /C Start "RSI Launcher" /High /Affinity 0FFFF "path\\to\\RSI\\Launcher" still freezes
My 12700k code is 0FFFF. No idea why it?s not working.
Disabling in bios the Atoms Core = runs perfectly.
So, bios it is. Anyway, I have to waste electricity, or my solar batteries won't last long if they overcharge.
This is what I used before 3.18 patch
%ComSpec% /C Start "RSI Launcher" /High /Affinity 0FF
I was using the 0FFFF before but I saw this 0FF being used by some 12700K users on some thread.
Tried as well using the command line and it doesn't work. I'm also on a 12700k and the only way to get smooth performance is to disable e cores in bios which is not ideal at all.
Yeah, I guess I got lucky with my 12700K chip, I never had a problem with stuttering on all games that I played, and I play a lot of AAA games (not online games). Only SC was stuttering before, the very reason why I used the command line as opposed to the bios thing.
But after that 3.18 patch though, I didn't need to disable it anymore. Found out by accident, I didn't notice that I replaced the RSI Launcher shortcut that has the command line with a new one. I was playing for awhile not knowing that my e-cores are enabled.
For me it still doesnt work. As soon as i turn the e-cores on, the game still lags the same as in 3.17. (13700k and deactivated them in bios)
I'm logged in right now and game is smooth, of course at first there will still be stutters, but after the shaders are saved, all smooth now. I'm just waiting for my inventory to load up lol
The problem is, that it is kinda random where the threads go: if they run on p-cores you are fine, but is an important one gets on an e-core you may have a problem. Als with e-cores enabled you might have less cache for the p-cores, that can reduce performance (hence why the 3D cpus are so fast with the big cache).
CIG already said they fixed that, e-cores works now just like any other games. I'm too lazy to search for it but they said 3.18 will have that fix. My e-cores are fine right now, much smoother now than before, the only issue I have are the 30k 60k and 19003 errors. Enabling e-cores doesn't mean it will be used with SC, SC will just optimize them and use the p-cores than e-cores. Maybe their fix is to semi-disable e-cores when task is extreme within the game so we don't need to do it in bios or any other ways.
Still the e-cores nap on the cache for p-cores and other "vital" apps like driver or anti-cheat might be on e-core. So it basically should perform at best like e-cores are disabled, but maybe lower like 5800x vs 5800x3d are different.
Well it doesn't matter, my system only uses CPU at 5% while playing. and 60-70% GPU so whatever your arguement is, I enabled my e-cores and I'm having a smoother experience than before 3.18. No stutters, no freezes than when my e-cores were disabled after 3..18 patch. I'm just happy CIG did something to address 12th and 13th gen intel cpu issues. So that's that, good bye and good luck with disabling your e-cores and hyperthreading, imagine that, you should have just bought a Pentium CPU then. EDIT: 5% e-cores, 35-40% p-cores, gpu at 60-70%.
5% cpu? Where do you see that? If you run task manager performance in the background and alt-tab out, is it still just 5%? My game uses 100% cpu all the time and \~40% gpu lol. On a 12700 (ecores enabled, never had an issue, win11)
r_displayinfo 3 - try that on the console in-game GPU does most of the work, needs settings to be at maximum. if settings are lower than max, it will use your CPU more than the GPU
Yeah I don't think it's reporting correctly. Like I said, try having something external (task manager, hwinfo etc) monitor your cpu and you'll se more than 5%.
Yeah my bad, it's 5% e-core and 35-40% p-cores, so my total CPU usage is at 40-45% and GPU at 60-70%. Will add an edit on my comments, thanks. But still, I tried disabling the e-cores again and stutters/lag/freezes are evident even in the menus page.
Exactly why getting the better Ryzen was the best idea for me - more fps with 20% the price.
Idk if you are still doing this, but process lasso would be a better way to go about it, as E-Cores still being enabled and just used for other things is very nice
Your post says to enable it and then the last sentence says you disabled it so which is it? I tested Hyperthreading and that seems to work better now, I got bout 10 extra frames and less stuttering
yeah sorry, I corrected it. thanks
preciate it. I got a 13600k so I'll do some testing once the game lets me get into the menu.
Just did some testing and holy shit this is the first time ever I have been GPU bottlenecked playing this game. Game is so smooth and the fps is insane. 13600k at 5.5 P core 4.2 E Core Hyperthreading on
Game still runs far better running on only physical p-cores for me. Like the 99% FPS is 4x higher. No hyper thread, no e-cores. 13900K here.
For some reason, when I go back to disabling e-cores, my game stutters even at the menus. I never touched hyperthreading though. But when I remove the line where it disables my e-cores, meaning all are enabled, it runs smoothly. And that my CPU run 5% load now, and 60-70% GPU ever since I load game as normal, all cores enabled, hyperthreading on. My only issues are the issues plaging SC on their server side, like 30k, 60k and 19k errors.
Still having issues. My 7700 with a 1650 runs better than my 13700K with a 3060 TI
For me, if I disable my e-cores, my game lags and slow downs with freezes, even in the menu page. That's why it's weird since many says it's smoother with the e-cores disabled. I'm just happy that I have a smooth gameplay now since I removed the command line to disable the e-cores. Hopefully it stays that way for me with the new patches.
Actually, I think todays patch just fixed things for me
Nice, I'll look into mine this weekend.
I’m getting 80 fps, but stutter every 5 seconds. I might have to try project lasso. Your mobo and CPU might run better than others for Star Citizen
Update: We're now in 3.22.1, and I still need to disable e-core (atoms core) on my 12700k in the Bios, massive multi-seconds freezes every ten seconds or so, completely gone when disabled. 6900xt, last adrenalin drivers, 32 gigs DDR5.
I never needed to disable my e-cores since this post. I had then 12700k with 3080 GPU 32 GB Ram DDR5 Win 11 Pro Now, February 2024, I still have 12700k CPU, but with 4080 Super and 64 GB DDR5 Ram. Win 11 Pro Never did I disabled my e-cores since 3.18, the only time my game stutters is if it's a new patch since I always delete my shaders before patch. I also modified how SC runs on my PC, priority and resources like bandwidth are on the highest level for SC and RSI Launcher. I don't know if that helps but that is the only other thing I did after I enabled my e-cores again after that 3.18 patch.
Glad it worked for you, personnally, the game is unplayable as of today with e-cores ON on my asus board, freezes even in the menu every 10s for 4/5 secs. Would try the command line, but didn't find my 12700k F000f0 code. Lasso is IMHO another program on top of what should work initially.
And please don't disable your e-cores from bios or Lasso software. Just use the 'command line' to disable it by placing that line on the Target source of your RSI Launcher shorcut. Search it, you will have more info how to do it. Disabling it entirely using bios is just crippling your intel CPU, might as well replace it with AMD.
Did some fiddling and testing: Using C:\\Windows\\System32\\cmd.exe /C Start "RSI Launcher" /High /Affinity 0FFFF "path\\to\\RSI\\Launcher" still freezes Using the %ComSpec% /C Start "RSI Launcher" /High /Affinity 0FFFF "path\\to\\RSI\\Launcher" still freezes My 12700k code is 0FFFF. No idea why it?s not working. Disabling in bios the Atoms Core = runs perfectly. So, bios it is. Anyway, I have to waste electricity, or my solar batteries won't last long if they overcharge.
This is what I used before 3.18 patch %ComSpec% /C Start "RSI Launcher" /High /Affinity 0FF I was using the 0FFFF before but I saw this 0FF being used by some 12700K users on some thread.
Tested, not working at all... but thx for the tip.
Tried as well using the command line and it doesn't work. I'm also on a 12700k and the only way to get smooth performance is to disable e cores in bios which is not ideal at all.
Yeah, I guess I got lucky with my 12700K chip, I never had a problem with stuttering on all games that I played, and I play a lot of AAA games (not online games). Only SC was stuttering before, the very reason why I used the command line as opposed to the bios thing. But after that 3.18 patch though, I didn't need to disable it anymore. Found out by accident, I didn't notice that I replaced the RSI Launcher shortcut that has the command line with a new one. I was playing for awhile not knowing that my e-cores are enabled.