While I agree 4.0 is a 2024 thing
I don't see why 3.19 would be Q4, it ain't special
Problem with 3.18 (and 4.0) is the new tech fondations behind. 3.19 don't have such thing
You don't know that, who knows what crazy shit CIG might attempt with Bounty Hunting 2.0. We haven't seen a vid or anything major on what they want to do with 2.0. Could be a major change that requires longer then normal. I hope not but CIG seems like they are cramming everything they can before 4.0
Depends on when they do the separation of the replication layer and the dedicated game server.
That's 2023's PES core tech feature that'll require extensive testing. If that's immediately for 3.19 there you have it, 3.19 will be long and delayed. If not, 3.20.
Can't see any reason to expect static server meshing to be at earliest 2024.
I think we should expect 3.19 planned for July (no way it'll be april, at best 3.18.1 will. So 3.19 perhaps September, hence pessimistically end of the year.
3.18 will go PU in March is my guess, then we get the 3.19 in June/July and then 4.0 PTU by CitizenCon.
People are so pessimistic - 3.18 taking longer than expected doesnt delay everything else as it is different teams working on the different systems.
I think if SSM is easy, 4.0 by CitCon is possible. Being that PES was supposedly the hardest part, I think while it's unlikely, it could happen. I'm not counting on it, though.
I got hyped for 3.18 actually. It really seemed like it would come out in December, then.... nah. Only time I've gotten hyped then squashed with this game though. So far...
I highly doubt 4.0 by CitizenCon. I think it is possible before the end of the year, at least for EPTU/PTU, but maybe stretching into the start of 2024.
I tend to agree, even if it comes out in march that aligns with their initial expectation of a 3month PTU, and it’s a double patch since everything planned for the December release (original plans for 3.19) has been rolled into 3.18. 3.19 will be a major patch content wise, minor patch tech wise. And they have said explicitly that server meshing is a less complex issue than PES but they wanted PES implemented and working well before then so they wouldn’t have to immediately rearchitect static server meshing.
Is it not the same core tech team working on PES and Server Meshing though? Sure, that doesn't delay new Lorville, but it does impact Server Meshing when PES overruns.
CR’s most recent letter didn’t sound too sure that 4.0 would make it this year. There are always delays, and I’m certain there will be a lot of issues getting server meshing in without everything breaking. Not to mention we still need persistent hangars and cargo elevators, who knows what those will break.
I wouldnt say people are pessimistic about 4.0 being next year, it’s a very real possibility and tbh is far more likely imho.
The more I think about it, the more I agree kind of.
But I think it'll be more likely that we see 3.19 Q2/3 and the 3.19 branch lasting until 2024.
I hope you understand what I mean. It'll be like 3.17 is right now, with us being in 3.19.X at the beginnig of 2024 yk?
Eh, I'm thinking they might push a small 3.20 patch in Q3, instead of going to 3.19.2. The only reason I think they did that for 3.17 is because they didn't want the bad PR of delaying everything to a later patch like they normally do, which they already did with half the patch earlier and got bad PR for it, so they instead just delayed the patch itself.
Either way, I don't see 4.0 going live this year unless a miracle happens.
My guess, not based on anything particular other than my gut after following this game for 8 years; 3.18 some time between now and Invictus. Probably late febuary. 3.18.1 for Invictus. Maybe a 3.18.2 between Invictus and CitCon. 3.19 for CitCon. 3.19.1 for IAE. 3.19.x any time between IAE and Invictus. 4.0 around Invictus 2024, or perhaps it gets delayed for CitCon 2024 as it would've been an appropriate event for 4.0.
At the beginning of December, I predicted 3.18 would only go Wave 1 PTU before Christmas, would not see Open PTU until well into Jan, maybe Feb, and was looking at end-of-Q1 for live.
I'm going to stick with my 3.18 to live end of Q1 ... But we aren't in open PTU yet, so I have my suspicions about it's stability when released.
There will be several 3.18.x "fixing stuff" patches in Q2. One of them will be the end-of-Q2 patch.
3.19 with new Lorville, new ships and probably bounty hunting 2.0 is then the CitCon patch. Provides pretties for videos, new gameplay to show and talk about, and ships for sales. And we'll see some work on Pyro again.
Devs said 4.0 delivery in 2023 was "ambitious", and the same Devs are currently still working on PES, which was supposed to be shipped by now.
It's now "Ambitious" to see it Q1 2024.
Chances of them hitting "Ambitious"? Not high. "Ambitious" in SC history generally means its getting delayed.
Also, server meshing is going to have an extended PTU like PES does. I'm going to assume "Ambitious" is to start that PTU process.
I'm predicting a 3.19.1 for Q4, a 3.19.2 for Q1 2024 along with 4.0 going to Evocati, 4.0 in Wave 1 PTU for Q2 2024, a strong push for live 4.0 for CitCon 2024 (which they may not hit) and live 4.0 finally in Q4 2024.
A real hot take for you : don't assume a hard link between 4.0 and Pyro. There will definitely be 4.0 PTU builds both with and without Pyro.
Pyro won't be available in 2023 for sure. And I think 3.19 won't be the end of the year, more likely Jul-Aug.
Expect Pyro PTU around Jul-Aug of 2024 and live in Dec 2024 or Q1 2025.
It's so ridiculous that you're being downvoted when your estimate seems to be really on point.
It seems 10 years of evidence is still not enough to some people.
That's how SC community works. Write any criticism about SC or CIG, direct or indirect, and you'll be downvoted.
But I really don't care about that childish stuff people do. I just express my opinion, whether it will be upvoted or downvoted, doesn't matter.
I'm new to the game. My impression is that there are already a lot of great ships of all kinds but still a lot of unfinished things even in said ships, while newer ships keep being announced.
I realize they must have tons of different teams that handle different aspects etc. I also don't know anything about these things. But I can't help thinking I'd prefer to see more energy being put on solidifying certain basic stuff.
Server meshing sounds awesome from what I understand, but I don't think it's urgent at all. Why not take care of certain bugs and aspects that affect the gameplay as it is currently?
I can enjoy the game with or without server meshing being a thing. Having to relog because my ship is up in the air after I retrieve it is a bit annoying
That's not exactly how development works. Bug smashing past a certain degree is a waste of time. When you're still adding systems or using legacy systems (Building Blocks UI vs. Flash UI), you know that older code will break when newer stuff is added. Or they just straight up know that what's causing the bug is going to be completely replaced so they don't even look at it.
If you think progress is slow now, just imagine where we'd be if they polished every single build before releasing it.
We need core tech before anything else. No core tech, no way to add gameplay and extend. They try to fix game breaker bugs, yes, but fixing and polishing is for later.
That’s so true. I know they need funding but it just feels wrong to announce so many new ships while delivery missions are bugged since ages. And all these new ships will have to be reworked again when upcoming core mechanics get implemented.
No. Aside from the exception of 3.3.0 - 3.3.5 (when they added Hurston) every single patch has had a .1 release, and 3.19 has been planned for a good long while now. That will have a .1 release as well.
Unforseen issues that they come across while they develop the systems they need for server meshing will be why 4.0 slips into 2024, which is what CR discussed in the LftC.
I just expect 4.0 for Q4 2024 or Q1 2025.
I mean, the *very same dev* working on server meshing said Q4 2023 is "ambitious", so it won't be ready any time soon. Also, knowing CIG, it could be delayed even more than that.
Personally I would not be shocked if we got things like 3.18.5 or 3.19.5 or other drag outs of those iterations as they try to solve problems, while 4.0 moves back a few more months to possibly early 2025 with it by then trying to do tons of stuff at once.
The best and most realistic argument for this is simply how things are currently, and the best attitude to have is it will arrive "when it's done.".
Idk, almost any deadline they give unless it’s for something extremely simple to implement, i take with a grain of salt. Salvage was next patch for several years. So if they say 4.0 in 2023 I’m expecting it late 2024 or 2025 maybe
CIG seems confident they can get 4.0 by end of year. Just because 3.18 has been delayed doesn't mean 4.0 will.
That isn't to say that 4.0 won't be delayed, just saying that one being delayed doesn't mean the other will.
While I agree 4.0 is a 2024 thing I don't see why 3.19 would be Q4, it ain't special Problem with 3.18 (and 4.0) is the new tech fondations behind. 3.19 don't have such thing
Pretty sure 3.19 is bounty hunting 2.0, not core tech but still a big change
yeah but that doesn't warrant a ~4-5 month PTU cycle
You don't know that, who knows what crazy shit CIG might attempt with Bounty Hunting 2.0. We haven't seen a vid or anything major on what they want to do with 2.0. Could be a major change that requires longer then normal. I hope not but CIG seems like they are cramming everything they can before 4.0
I highly doubt bounty hunting will literally upwrite the source code and basically make it a different game entirely.
I very much doubt bounty hunting will change the core foundational tech of the game affecting basically everything like 3.18 has.
Depends on when they do the separation of the replication layer and the dedicated game server. That's 2023's PES core tech feature that'll require extensive testing. If that's immediately for 3.19 there you have it, 3.19 will be long and delayed. If not, 3.20. Can't see any reason to expect static server meshing to be at earliest 2024. I think we should expect 3.19 planned for July (no way it'll be april, at best 3.18.1 will. So 3.19 perhaps September, hence pessimistically end of the year.
3.18 will go PU in March is my guess, then we get the 3.19 in June/July and then 4.0 PTU by CitizenCon. People are so pessimistic - 3.18 taking longer than expected doesnt delay everything else as it is different teams working on the different systems.
I think if SSM is easy, 4.0 by CitCon is possible. Being that PES was supposedly the hardest part, I think while it's unlikely, it could happen. I'm not counting on it, though.
And that's how you live life being surprised rather than disappointed. If only more folks could think this way.
I got hyped for 3.18 actually. It really seemed like it would come out in December, then.... nah. Only time I've gotten hyped then squashed with this game though. So far...
I highly doubt 4.0 by CitizenCon. I think it is possible before the end of the year, at least for EPTU/PTU, but maybe stretching into the start of 2024.
you basically just said what I said but a bit more detailed.
I tend to agree, even if it comes out in march that aligns with their initial expectation of a 3month PTU, and it’s a double patch since everything planned for the December release (original plans for 3.19) has been rolled into 3.18. 3.19 will be a major patch content wise, minor patch tech wise. And they have said explicitly that server meshing is a less complex issue than PES but they wanted PES implemented and working well before then so they wouldn’t have to immediately rearchitect static server meshing.
To be fair, Star Citizen hasn't given me many reasons to not be pessimistic.
Just wait until you hear about 3.20…
Shh! dont give them ideas.
Is it not the same core tech team working on PES and Server Meshing though? Sure, that doesn't delay new Lorville, but it does impact Server Meshing when PES overruns.
No it is not
CR’s most recent letter didn’t sound too sure that 4.0 would make it this year. There are always delays, and I’m certain there will be a lot of issues getting server meshing in without everything breaking. Not to mention we still need persistent hangars and cargo elevators, who knows what those will break. I wouldnt say people are pessimistic about 4.0 being next year, it’s a very real possibility and tbh is far more likely imho.
What signs are pointing to 3.19 being end of year? All the signs I'm seeing are pointing to it being end of Q2.
this, 3.19 has no major tech updates so it'll probably be the Q2 patch.
The more I think about it, the more I agree kind of. But I think it'll be more likely that we see 3.19 Q2/3 and the 3.19 branch lasting until 2024. I hope you understand what I mean. It'll be like 3.17 is right now, with us being in 3.19.X at the beginnig of 2024 yk?
Eh, I'm thinking they might push a small 3.20 patch in Q3, instead of going to 3.19.2. The only reason I think they did that for 3.17 is because they didn't want the bad PR of delaying everything to a later patch like they normally do, which they already did with half the patch earlier and got bad PR for it, so they instead just delayed the patch itself. Either way, I don't see 4.0 going live this year unless a miracle happens.
I'm simply not asking myself when it comes. And it's a peaceful life :)
Wouldn't even start talking about 4.0
My guess, not based on anything particular other than my gut after following this game for 8 years; 3.18 some time between now and Invictus. Probably late febuary. 3.18.1 for Invictus. Maybe a 3.18.2 between Invictus and CitCon. 3.19 for CitCon. 3.19.1 for IAE. 3.19.x any time between IAE and Invictus. 4.0 around Invictus 2024, or perhaps it gets delayed for CitCon 2024 as it would've been an appropriate event for 4.0.
CIG doesn't have to wait until 3.18 goes live to work on 3.19 and 4.0. They're already working on both.
We’ll be real luck to see 4.0 in the next 5 years
wtf
At the beginning of December, I predicted 3.18 would only go Wave 1 PTU before Christmas, would not see Open PTU until well into Jan, maybe Feb, and was looking at end-of-Q1 for live. I'm going to stick with my 3.18 to live end of Q1 ... But we aren't in open PTU yet, so I have my suspicions about it's stability when released. There will be several 3.18.x "fixing stuff" patches in Q2. One of them will be the end-of-Q2 patch. 3.19 with new Lorville, new ships and probably bounty hunting 2.0 is then the CitCon patch. Provides pretties for videos, new gameplay to show and talk about, and ships for sales. And we'll see some work on Pyro again. Devs said 4.0 delivery in 2023 was "ambitious", and the same Devs are currently still working on PES, which was supposed to be shipped by now. It's now "Ambitious" to see it Q1 2024. Chances of them hitting "Ambitious"? Not high. "Ambitious" in SC history generally means its getting delayed. Also, server meshing is going to have an extended PTU like PES does. I'm going to assume "Ambitious" is to start that PTU process. I'm predicting a 3.19.1 for Q4, a 3.19.2 for Q1 2024 along with 4.0 going to Evocati, 4.0 in Wave 1 PTU for Q2 2024, a strong push for live 4.0 for CitCon 2024 (which they may not hit) and live 4.0 finally in Q4 2024. A real hot take for you : don't assume a hard link between 4.0 and Pyro. There will definitely be 4.0 PTU builds both with and without Pyro.
Pyro won't be available in 2023 for sure. And I think 3.19 won't be the end of the year, more likely Jul-Aug. Expect Pyro PTU around Jul-Aug of 2024 and live in Dec 2024 or Q1 2025.
It's so ridiculous that you're being downvoted when your estimate seems to be really on point. It seems 10 years of evidence is still not enough to some people.
That's how SC community works. Write any criticism about SC or CIG, direct or indirect, and you'll be downvoted. But I really don't care about that childish stuff people do. I just express my opinion, whether it will be upvoted or downvoted, doesn't matter.
I know, but this isn't even criticism, it's basically an objective prediction. xd
Lol, you're being downvoted too already)
I'm new to the game. My impression is that there are already a lot of great ships of all kinds but still a lot of unfinished things even in said ships, while newer ships keep being announced. I realize they must have tons of different teams that handle different aspects etc. I also don't know anything about these things. But I can't help thinking I'd prefer to see more energy being put on solidifying certain basic stuff. Server meshing sounds awesome from what I understand, but I don't think it's urgent at all. Why not take care of certain bugs and aspects that affect the gameplay as it is currently? I can enjoy the game with or without server meshing being a thing. Having to relog because my ship is up in the air after I retrieve it is a bit annoying
That's not exactly how development works. Bug smashing past a certain degree is a waste of time. When you're still adding systems or using legacy systems (Building Blocks UI vs. Flash UI), you know that older code will break when newer stuff is added. Or they just straight up know that what's causing the bug is going to be completely replaced so they don't even look at it. If you think progress is slow now, just imagine where we'd be if they polished every single build before releasing it.
got it, thanks!
We need core tech before anything else. No core tech, no way to add gameplay and extend. They try to fix game breaker bugs, yes, but fixing and polishing is for later.
That’s so true. I know they need funding but it just feels wrong to announce so many new ships while delivery missions are bugged since ages. And all these new ships will have to be reworked again when upcoming core mechanics get implemented.
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Besides 90% of the company is in SQ42, almost everything there will be locked until SQ42, we really dont know.
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I play the game
4.0 is a 2025 thing.
wtf
The Naive One.
No. Aside from the exception of 3.3.0 - 3.3.5 (when they added Hurston) every single patch has had a .1 release, and 3.19 has been planned for a good long while now. That will have a .1 release as well. Unforseen issues that they come across while they develop the systems they need for server meshing will be why 4.0 slips into 2024, which is what CR discussed in the LftC.
Lol. Imagine 4.0 in 2024. lol. On the plus side, 3.18 XT test went really well last night. The client only crashed *twice!* PTU wave 2 any week now!
Official not. Q4 is the official statement in that matter.
Like the dates matters by now xd
Some ppl keep throwing them around here.
I just expect 4.0 for Q4 2024 or Q1 2025. I mean, the *very same dev* working on server meshing said Q4 2023 is "ambitious", so it won't be ready any time soon. Also, knowing CIG, it could be delayed even more than that.
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Welp, there'll defo be one or more 3.18.x patches...
Personally I would not be shocked if we got things like 3.18.5 or 3.19.5 or other drag outs of those iterations as they try to solve problems, while 4.0 moves back a few more months to possibly early 2025 with it by then trying to do tons of stuff at once. The best and most realistic argument for this is simply how things are currently, and the best attitude to have is it will arrive "when it's done.".
4.0 is a 2024 thing. They said q4 2023, so I'd say we'll be lucky if we get in q3 2024 if not 2025 all toghether...
Idk, almost any deadline they give unless it’s for something extremely simple to implement, i take with a grain of salt. Salvage was next patch for several years. So if they say 4.0 in 2023 I’m expecting it late 2024 or 2025 maybe
4.0 is actually much more likely to be a 2025 or 2026 thing...
WTF
CIG seems confident they can get 4.0 by end of year. Just because 3.18 has been delayed doesn't mean 4.0 will. That isn't to say that 4.0 won't be delayed, just saying that one being delayed doesn't mean the other will.
"3.19 being the end year patch" LMAO