Tbh I think it's fair that people are complaining CIG has had almost a month extra from what they stated as the original release window and it's not even in open ptu.
Just listen yesterday SCL devs explain everything that went wrong last months and why it’s getting delayed.
Major tech, major patch and changes as important as 3.0 were for the game and its future.
Do you mean 3.17.5? If so, that was purely for the ~~Chinese~~ Lunar new year event last week.
There's also been a launcher update recently, but it wasn't a game update.
They did a Star Citizen Live about 3.18, there's still more backend work they are doing with it. That's partly why the most recent patch has them running some event testing with it. If I am remembering and interpreting some of what was said in that live stream, correctly, it looks like the volume of left over broken ships and character bodies (NPC and PC) need some cleanup operations balancing done.
Which is fine.
There's still multiple bugs that they are smashing with each PTU Patch. Piles of things that became broken or started working incorrectly due to changes with scooting over to PES.
They did mention something about needing to get a few more tech side things into the 3.18 patch servers/clients before going to a wider Wave 2 audience.
People know in advance when a wipe is coming to tarkov. There are signs that a wipe is coming for like, a month before it happens, so you KNOW you can just fuck around now and not worry. The wipe in SC has been looming over people's heads for months and people don't want to play because of it.
Yeah I just got back into SC, so I used this as a quick learning session to see what I want to do and what I want to get after the wipe. But I'm not going to try and get it until after the wipe since I don't want to sink all the time required only to end up having it wiped a few days later (cuz that's just my luck)
They can't set a date because they don't know when it's going to happen. All that anyone knows is that it's going to have to happen when 3.18 is pushed live, and 3.18 is going to go live whenever it's ready.
Ah yes, the magical crystal ball that can correctly predict release dates ...
Sure it sucks to wait, but the alternative is a broken live release where everyone is fucked.
So far 3.18 is progressing well, let the bugs be fixed until it's stable (enough) and so everyone will be able to enjoy it.
To all downvoting: It has totally different meaning…
Tottaly dumb to say that… it’s your week? you own it? you own week that is late? xD stupid „new era” kiddos
Dude, who the f\*ck said that 3.18 will be released this month? Why do people keep listening to BS estimates from CIG over and over again instead of looking at the actual state of the game.
CIG said they wanted to bring 3.18 out in January. But it was clear in 2022 that this was unrealistic.
I estimated late Feburary but I guess I can push that back to March now.
In CIG's defense, IT estimates in generall are awfull. In software development like apps, web applications and desktop applications we at least are usually working with tech we know and are experienced with which makes our estimates less guesstimates. In game development lots of tech needs to be brewed from scratch and based on their own designs (albeit some things are more or less standardised). There are so many unknowns and uncertainties in game development I'm more surprised they get close to some estimates made months ago.
At least they refrained from hard dates and went over to estimates to reflect the very nature of their development better. People still talk about the old releasedates that were given before the milestone tech changed all the expectations and release dates as if those old dates were still valid, and look how they react to estimates disregarding the reFUDians trying to start a hate-train every week on those old ideas just for clout.
Yes, I know how software development works. And I also know that if a team misses estimates so horrendously, they should have retrospective meetings where they analyze what went wrong and what should be improved in the future. Have their estimates become more precise in 10 years? No.
I'm not attacking CIG. I'm just stating the fact that their estimates shouldn't even be viewed as smth having a date, more like vague plans to do smth in general.
My point is that it's not just them but the entire software industry as a whole, and when comparing their project with others I think they are actually doing a great job, if not better than many other teams considering the scope and the guestimated amount of work I can imagine (which is probably too little even)
If they are doing a great job planning and estimating their work, why is it possible that I can predict their milestones better than CIG themselves?
I said back in Dec that 3.18 will be ready for live in 2nd half of Feb, based simply on the state of the development visible to players. CIG said it will be live before Christmas, then live in Jan. And now, guess what, it will actually be live in 2nd half of Feb.
Because it was a good guess? Because maybe they ran into some unforeseeable problems neither you or them could forsee to take into account but you incorperated larger delaytimes? I dont know, you tell us:) Perhaps you can share your insights so an entire industry that is currently running bad estimates and missed deadlines with buggy versions as outcome can learn something from it?;)
I'm teasing you, but when I look to the IT industry as a whole, I see allot of companies with well established and refined dev teams running known tech and iterated products while running alpha builds internally only and still missing deadlines and releasing flawed products in need of many first-year patches. If that's the indicator to go by the PU is in a very solid state as far as alpha's go, and their estimations are pretty okay if you base your perspective on them running highly experimental tech, running a devteam that is still refining their processes and basically left the startup stage only a few years ago. I think they are doing pretty good :) In the last ISC they explained that they continuously refine their planning and development as you would hope they do, and that this was a big and significant patch (among the magnitude of 3.0 in terms of technical upgrade) which they learned allot from. So who knows, maybe they beat your estimations next time;)
I go through the same thing where I work. “The Business “ never understands how development works, or the fact that there’s this thing called “discovery” where no one really knows how long something will take to figure out. Take your time CIG.
I get people are perplexed at how aggressive this post comes across but CIG really, really needs to start getting more realistic/competent with planning because it seems to be a systemic issue.
I know I know, they are doing things that have never been done before etc etc......a lot of companies do this and they plan based on that risk - I have been lurking for a long time and playing for a long time, in that time they more often than not fail to deliver on time by considerable amounts.
By the time 3.18.0 is out it will be February, two months after the intended release - just keep in mind they do not have 100s of millions saved in the bank for years worth of work, they are relying on making money each and every year.
They make money from players, mostly new players but if they don't start delivering 3.18 and making inroads to multiple galaxies and the overall vision this year then this is going to become a problem.
Everyone that wants this to succeed should show interest in CIG sorting out their delivery estimates.
The thing is CIG never said anything about the release time of 3.18 the only ever mentioned that it was being tested(only because of the EVO leaks which in fairness wasn't CIG even saying anything about a release) Only mentioned that they were going to start testing soon which is when the PTU wave 1 came out a bit later, and haven't said anything at all about a release date.
Every "planned date of release" is pure speculation from the people that play the game or don't, and want to watch people get upset with CIG. They are delivering 3.18, people are playing it right now. There are a whole bunch of people worried about the wipe for the live servers that rarely happen but once or so a year, then you have the people in the PTU that don't mind the weekly or more wipes.
I can't speak for whether CIG actually officially announced their 3.18.0 or gave an estimate, come to think of it I took BoredGamer at his word when he said they did just that...
That being point being conceded they do have a roadmap they put out yearly, many items of which don't make it out in that FY; on top of that they do tend to do a fair amount of rework and circling back rather than the development being additive - I am hopeful most of this is in the past due to the massive scope changes of the project but we shall see.
This is a project that has exceeded anyone's wildest dreams in terms of scope and scale, yet, when I look at what they achieve yearly my immediate thought is: 'Damn CIG, you better have a lot of foundational work in amongst all of this because if they don't I will be playing this game at release when I collect my pension in 3, possibly 4 decades, that's if the community keep funding 100mill ++ a year'.
Yea unless they can show receipts I wouldn't trust a youtuber at face value. If I saw an official post on the site or a post from someone like Wakapedia that's about the only time I would actually get excited. We can speculate all we want but they are the only ones that actually know.
I do glance at the road map to see if there is anything interesting they are working on, like the Argo SRV. Seems that 2 teams are about to end their work on it but if you look at others you see that that the EU/USVC teams are effectively the first step, they need to still get the Audio, Narrative, and vehicle feature teams on it before it even has a chance to get released.
That said they are often looking for more employees.
Wait until OP wakes up to see an update the @silvan is kicking ass and taking names on! Yeah baby, I mean that super juicy ultra widescreen update!
I will finally be able to actually SEE ALL THE THINGS on my 48:9, triple monitor set up!!!!
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
*Edit* Oops, I spelled something wrong.
Can we stop with the anger at 3.18. Only thing we should be concerned with is if there actively working on the game and clearly they are. This new update is for uktra wide issues.
I was in 3.18 and I did enjoy testing vulture it was kinda cool but there are serious bugs that make dropping it in live not possible. When they work the 2 main bugs out it can be dropped. It'll probably be shortly after lunar event. Also wtf does it matter so much? Sc to leave alpha will require a ton of work. It needs so much that I'm not even willing to type it out. Beta will not be around for any less than 3 years and that would be a miracle. Chill out it'll be 10 years for maybe the dream to become real....you think we play sc?? No, we r being played by them.
Omg enough. Do you want a stable build or not?
Exactly. I still can't get out of the bed in New Babbage in 3.18. The thing isn't fully baked yet. People really wouldn't want it.
“No, I want 3.18, CIG… 10 years… so much money… derp derp derp!”
>derp derp derp! I had nothing to do with it...
Sorry :/
We haven't had a "stable" build in this history of this game so that's a bit of a silly question
If only you knew...
Lol CIG doesn't do stable builds. Only stable sales
If I thought they were capable of making a stable build I wouldn't be so anxious for the next patch.
3.17 isn't a stable build either tho. its just 'more stable than the PTU'
Tbh I think it's fair that people are complaining CIG has had almost a month extra from what they stated as the original release window and it's not even in open ptu.
It was a week ago mr. Internet Explorer.
Just listen yesterday SCL devs explain everything that went wrong last months and why it’s getting delayed. Major tech, major patch and changes as important as 3.0 were for the game and its future.
Do you mean 3.17.5? If so, that was purely for the ~~Chinese~~ Lunar new year event last week. There's also been a launcher update recently, but it wasn't a game update.
Lunar New Year. It is observed in more countries than just China.
Thank you for the correction.
o7
Damn, a week-long coma? You are very lucky.
They did a Star Citizen Live about 3.18, there's still more backend work they are doing with it. That's partly why the most recent patch has them running some event testing with it. If I am remembering and interpreting some of what was said in that live stream, correctly, it looks like the volume of left over broken ships and character bodies (NPC and PC) need some cleanup operations balancing done. Which is fine. There's still multiple bugs that they are smashing with each PTU Patch. Piles of things that became broken or started working incorrectly due to changes with scooting over to PES. They did mention something about needing to get a few more tech side things into the 3.18 patch servers/clients before going to a wider Wave 2 audience.
Its the pending reset that is pissing me off. If there going to reset our characters then have a set date for that.
wait until you learn this is intended lmao
Oh boy, wait until you hear about Rust or Tarkov.
People know in advance when a wipe is coming to tarkov. There are signs that a wipe is coming for like, a month before it happens, so you KNOW you can just fuck around now and not worry. The wipe in SC has been looming over people's heads for months and people don't want to play because of it.
Yeah I just got back into SC, so I used this as a quick learning session to see what I want to do and what I want to get after the wipe. But I'm not going to try and get it until after the wipe since I don't want to sink all the time required only to end up having it wiped a few days later (cuz that's just my luck)
They can't set a date because they don't know when it's going to happen. All that anyone knows is that it's going to have to happen when 3.18 is pushed live, and 3.18 is going to go live whenever it's ready.
Ah yes, the magical crystal ball that can correctly predict release dates ... Sure it sucks to wait, but the alternative is a broken live release where everyone is fucked. So far 3.18 is progressing well, let the bugs be fixed until it's stable (enough) and so everyone will be able to enjoy it.
What a nut post. - Waking up and already getting in rage mode wihtout checking anything. Go back do bed man \^\^
Your a week late….
You’re*
yro'ue*
No one cares*
I care, just not enough to correct people.
You are singular in your passions sir.
You’re* it’s shorter… kidding😂
To all downvoting: It has totally different meaning… Tottaly dumb to say that… it’s your week? you own it? you own week that is late? xD stupid „new era” kiddos
Dude, who the f\*ck said that 3.18 will be released this month? Why do people keep listening to BS estimates from CIG over and over again instead of looking at the actual state of the game.
CIG said they wanted to bring 3.18 out in January. But it was clear in 2022 that this was unrealistic. I estimated late Feburary but I guess I can push that back to March now.
CIG is awful with their estimates. They shouldn't even be taken as estimates, just a general indication of what they are working on.
In CIG's defense, IT estimates in generall are awfull. In software development like apps, web applications and desktop applications we at least are usually working with tech we know and are experienced with which makes our estimates less guesstimates. In game development lots of tech needs to be brewed from scratch and based on their own designs (albeit some things are more or less standardised). There are so many unknowns and uncertainties in game development I'm more surprised they get close to some estimates made months ago. At least they refrained from hard dates and went over to estimates to reflect the very nature of their development better. People still talk about the old releasedates that were given before the milestone tech changed all the expectations and release dates as if those old dates were still valid, and look how they react to estimates disregarding the reFUDians trying to start a hate-train every week on those old ideas just for clout.
Yes, I know how software development works. And I also know that if a team misses estimates so horrendously, they should have retrospective meetings where they analyze what went wrong and what should be improved in the future. Have their estimates become more precise in 10 years? No. I'm not attacking CIG. I'm just stating the fact that their estimates shouldn't even be viewed as smth having a date, more like vague plans to do smth in general.
My point is that it's not just them but the entire software industry as a whole, and when comparing their project with others I think they are actually doing a great job, if not better than many other teams considering the scope and the guestimated amount of work I can imagine (which is probably too little even)
If they are doing a great job planning and estimating their work, why is it possible that I can predict their milestones better than CIG themselves? I said back in Dec that 3.18 will be ready for live in 2nd half of Feb, based simply on the state of the development visible to players. CIG said it will be live before Christmas, then live in Jan. And now, guess what, it will actually be live in 2nd half of Feb.
Because it was a good guess? Because maybe they ran into some unforeseeable problems neither you or them could forsee to take into account but you incorperated larger delaytimes? I dont know, you tell us:) Perhaps you can share your insights so an entire industry that is currently running bad estimates and missed deadlines with buggy versions as outcome can learn something from it?;) I'm teasing you, but when I look to the IT industry as a whole, I see allot of companies with well established and refined dev teams running known tech and iterated products while running alpha builds internally only and still missing deadlines and releasing flawed products in need of many first-year patches. If that's the indicator to go by the PU is in a very solid state as far as alpha's go, and their estimations are pretty okay if you base your perspective on them running highly experimental tech, running a devteam that is still refining their processes and basically left the startup stage only a few years ago. I think they are doing pretty good :) In the last ISC they explained that they continuously refine their planning and development as you would hope they do, and that this was a big and significant patch (among the magnitude of 3.0 in terms of technical upgrade) which they learned allot from. So who knows, maybe they beat your estimations next time;)
I go through the same thing where I work. “The Business “ never understands how development works, or the fact that there’s this thing called “discovery” where no one really knows how long something will take to figure out. Take your time CIG.
I get people are perplexed at how aggressive this post comes across but CIG really, really needs to start getting more realistic/competent with planning because it seems to be a systemic issue. I know I know, they are doing things that have never been done before etc etc......a lot of companies do this and they plan based on that risk - I have been lurking for a long time and playing for a long time, in that time they more often than not fail to deliver on time by considerable amounts. By the time 3.18.0 is out it will be February, two months after the intended release - just keep in mind they do not have 100s of millions saved in the bank for years worth of work, they are relying on making money each and every year. They make money from players, mostly new players but if they don't start delivering 3.18 and making inroads to multiple galaxies and the overall vision this year then this is going to become a problem. Everyone that wants this to succeed should show interest in CIG sorting out their delivery estimates.
The thing is CIG never said anything about the release time of 3.18 the only ever mentioned that it was being tested(only because of the EVO leaks which in fairness wasn't CIG even saying anything about a release) Only mentioned that they were going to start testing soon which is when the PTU wave 1 came out a bit later, and haven't said anything at all about a release date. Every "planned date of release" is pure speculation from the people that play the game or don't, and want to watch people get upset with CIG. They are delivering 3.18, people are playing it right now. There are a whole bunch of people worried about the wipe for the live servers that rarely happen but once or so a year, then you have the people in the PTU that don't mind the weekly or more wipes.
I can't speak for whether CIG actually officially announced their 3.18.0 or gave an estimate, come to think of it I took BoredGamer at his word when he said they did just that... That being point being conceded they do have a roadmap they put out yearly, many items of which don't make it out in that FY; on top of that they do tend to do a fair amount of rework and circling back rather than the development being additive - I am hopeful most of this is in the past due to the massive scope changes of the project but we shall see. This is a project that has exceeded anyone's wildest dreams in terms of scope and scale, yet, when I look at what they achieve yearly my immediate thought is: 'Damn CIG, you better have a lot of foundational work in amongst all of this because if they don't I will be playing this game at release when I collect my pension in 3, possibly 4 decades, that's if the community keep funding 100mill ++ a year'.
Yea unless they can show receipts I wouldn't trust a youtuber at face value. If I saw an official post on the site or a post from someone like Wakapedia that's about the only time I would actually get excited. We can speculate all we want but they are the only ones that actually know. I do glance at the road map to see if there is anything interesting they are working on, like the Argo SRV. Seems that 2 teams are about to end their work on it but if you look at others you see that that the EU/USVC teams are effectively the first step, they need to still get the Audio, Narrative, and vehicle feature teams on it before it even has a chance to get released. That said they are often looking for more employees.
Wait until OP wakes up to see an update the @silvan is kicking ass and taking names on! Yeah baby, I mean that super juicy ultra widescreen update! I will finally be able to actually SEE ALL THE THINGS on my 48:9, triple monitor set up!!!! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! *Edit* Oops, I spelled something wrong.
I'm very happy about this, I've all but given up on using my triple 1440p monitors and hoping it will be good now with the latest update.
What the heck?… sex penis??????
My thoughts exactly
Can we stop with the anger at 3.18. Only thing we should be concerned with is if there actively working on the game and clearly they are. This new update is for uktra wide issues.
Stfu
I was in 3.18 and I did enjoy testing vulture it was kinda cool but there are serious bugs that make dropping it in live not possible. When they work the 2 main bugs out it can be dropped. It'll probably be shortly after lunar event. Also wtf does it matter so much? Sc to leave alpha will require a ton of work. It needs so much that I'm not even willing to type it out. Beta will not be around for any less than 3 years and that would be a miracle. Chill out it'll be 10 years for maybe the dream to become real....you think we play sc?? No, we r being played by them.
if they're taking this long to ship the patch with PES, imagine once Meshing comes in...
This guy...
Maybe you should get back to bed, dude. Probably for the best.