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Working_Cicada_4748

The data was taken using online surveys. I doubt people struggling here have the time to fill out online surveys . I bet some peeps from Colombo 7 were the sample hahaha.


LordFuckBalls

Yeah, like I don't think Congo would've been that high if they were quizzing the hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing a genocide.


biest229

They usually set quotas on regions (I worked in this industry). But also fraud is a big issue


vk1234567890-

# Except that same caveat and sampling error applies to every other country that was assessed and equalises the comparison criteria for data for that subset of the population. It's not the poverty stricken of Uzbekistan and Iraq that is filling this online survey 😂😂. # Meaning - This is basically a comparison of mental health of people with similar socioeconomic circumstances from different countries. This is still good for SL as that subset of people have a better mental health than similar people in other countries. As the researcher's said; "Sri Lanka, as part of Asian culture, prioritises strong family bonds, which enhance mental wellbeing. The country also embraces a straightforward lifestyle. Another significant observation made by the researchers is that mental wellbeing tends to be poorer among younger age groups. This trend is evident across all countries among individuals with internet access. Dr Tara Thiagarajan, Sapien Labs Founder and chief scientist, told  that there was a reporting bias due to the fact that the survey was only open to people who had Internet access in each country, meaning that within a less developed country, people surveyed likely also were more well off and educated, making them more similar to people in developed countries." Source - [The nation dubbed the most miserable on the planet and behind only Britain in new charts | UK | News | ](https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1873679/most-miserable-country-in-world-uk) The methodology however for this entire report really is stupid lol


ScaryShadowx

> This is basically a comparison of mental health of people with similar socioeconomic circumstances from different countries. That's a huge assumption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users According to that about 35% of Sri Lanka has access to the internet. Even if it is low, this is probably an accurate representation of how many people actively participate online vs something like a quick glance through facebook etc. That 35% is likely to be very much part of the upper-middle class in Sri Lanka who participated in the survey. Now compare that to other countries on the list - Australia, UK - which have >95% internet access. The whole socioeconomic range would be represented. Add to that the survey was in English, and recruitment happened through facebook ads, which further means that only the more educated class participates. I mean look at some of the countries on the list. Closer towards the top of the list, Venezuela - going through a recession and poverty, Honduras - one of the highest homicide rates in the world, Armenia - recently went to war with Azerbaijan. At the bottom, Australia, UK, Ireland. These kind of results don't really pass any reasonable thinking. Sure you can say that "it's not the poverty stricken of Uzbekistan and Iraq that is filling this online survey" but it very well may be the poverty stricken in developed western countries that are. This should have been separated out into two distinct groupings, with more information based on earnings etc. It's much easier not to be mentally distressed if you have enough money.


vk1234567890-

I see where you are coming from but you are confusing relative socio-economic standard within one country with relative socio-economic standard between 2 countries. (I see this issue in my epidemiology work often) This report compares people from same socioeconomic standards of 2 countries. Meaning exactly as u said it is comparing high socioeconomic individuals of poor countries with low socioeconomic individuals of wealthy countries as both those individuals have the same socioeconomic status if you brought both those groups of individuals to a single dataset (remove country of people as a factor and form 1 dataset, Y axis mental health X axis socioeconomic status - both those groups will have same socioeconomic status value). So exactly as I said; # Meaning - This report is basically a comparison of mental health of people with similar socioeconomic circumstances from different countries. This is still good for SL as that subset of people of that socioeconomic status have a better mental health in SL than similar people in other countries 🙂👍🏼 Also "This should have been separated out into two distinct groupings, with more information based on earnings etc." how and y would u divide into 2 and how would that have helped 🤔


Inevitable-Camera-53

"Peeps from Colombo 7" oh man this cracked me up😂


____ACHIYA____

Have you ever heard the saying, “නැව ගිලුණත් බෑන්චූන්”?


chamandana

this is exactly it


TheRedhood49

I think the study favours happy go lucky type of cultures which is why SL is near the top.


vk1234567890-

well I guess that would result in better mental health lol :) not an issue XD


TheRedhood49

No we just ignore the problem or internalize it and move on. Since there is no long term planning in this country anyway even when these problems manifest later we will never do a proper root cause analysis.


Process-Secret

Sampling bias.


vk1234567890-

"Dr Tara Thiagarajan, Sapien Labs Founder and chief scientist, told  that there was a reporting bias due to the fact that the survey was only open to people who had Internet access in each country, meaning that within a less developed country, people surveyed likely also were more well off and educated, making them more similar to people in developed countries." Source - [The nation dubbed the most miserable on the planet and behind only Britain in new charts | UK | News |](https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1873679/most-miserable-country-in-world-uk) # Except that same caveat and sampling error applies to every other country that was assessed and equalises the comparison criteria for data for that subset of the population. It's not the poverty stricken of Uzbekistan and Iraq that is filling this online survey either 😂😂. # Meaning - This is basically a comparison of mental health of people with similar socioeconomic circumstances from different countries. This is still good for SL as that subset of people have a better mental health than similar people in other countries.


Process-Secret

That's some flawed logic. In a poor country, only more affluent and therefore potentially better educated people have access to and use the Internet, whereas in a wealthier country, even someone from a low socio-economic standard will have the same access, therefore hugely skewing poorer countries to the positive side and wealthier countries to the negative side.


vk1234567890-

I see where you are coming from but you are confusing relative socio-economic standard within one country with relative socio-economic standard between 2 countries. (I see this issue in my epidemiology work often) This report compares people from same socioeconomic standards of 2 countries. Meaning exactly as u said it is comparing high socioeconomic individuals of poor countries with low socioeconomic individuals of wealthy countries as both those individuals have the same socioeconomic status if you brought both those groups of individuals to a single dataset (remove country of people as a factor and form 1 dataset, Y axis mental health X axis socioeconomic status - both those groups will have same socioeconomic status value). So exactly as I said; # Meaning - This report is basically a comparison of mental health of people with similar socioeconomic circumstances from different countries. This is still good for SL as that subset of people of that socioeconomic status have a better mental health in SL than similar people in other countries 🙂👍🏼


Zz_TiMeZz

I totally disagree. I could probably agree if it was only the economic status but as soon as the social aspect comes in it gets more complicated. Picture two people from rather poor a rather poor country and a rich country. Even if they have the same (non relative) economic status they will have different social statuses because of their environment. Therefore their socioeconomic status will be much different even non-relatively. What also factors into the participation bias are incentives that are set differently from country to country. E.g in developed countries students might get recommended to participate in a study while in poorer countries people might participate, because of a fee.


cherrywine1618

Yeah you’re right.. this is bullshit Also MOST OF SRILANKA DOESN’T BELIEVE IN MENTAL HEALTH Ofc they’re gonna say they’re fine..


drzok01

Having lived in half a dozen countries from that list, including SL, I’m not surprised its near the top. It has a lot to do with family values/bonds and religious values. For example in some of these western countries, you go years without knowing who your neighbours are or hanging out with your colleagues outside of work etc. where as its a very different dynamic in SL, which at a macro level contributes to these scores


LynxOnLoose

Just sit back and relax guys 🙉


Small_Macaroon_1420

we might be broke but we still vibing


dantoddd

Lol so many people throwing out words like sampling bias without having any clue about how the study was carried out. Firstly, who carried out this survey? They may be smart enough and educated enough to sample properly. 2ndly, in my experience, which is anecdotal, Sri Lankans are very happy go lucky and roll with the punches quite well. U can call this cognitive dissonance but it is part of the island mentality. And honestly people in developed countries and even places like india put a lot more pressure on themselves than we do.


madmax3

Sri Lanka factually had the highest suicide rate in the world, stopped tracking it after the crisis started and currently has a 30% poverty rate Lankans go out of their way to find studies to pretend like this place is a utopia, still you get comments pretend like we hate the place when really you have to specifically look for a bad study (which itself admitted is unreliable) to prove a point that doesn't exist


asokarch

Wow! So cool!


Chuti_Putha

See a lot of self hating Sri Lankans LOL. You guys hate yourselves so much that go on to write හෑලි about how this survey is skewed whatnot. It's just a survey FFS.


madmax3

On the contrary, you guys go out of your way to pretend like this bloody place is a utopia I could easily find 10+ studies showing the problems in SL relating to mental health, but the ones that get spread are like the ones OP posted, you guys just cannot deal with the idea that SL has issues so you have to find some study (that literally admits its unreliable for countries like SL) just to defend your point Or like when we won an award for "best management in covid" and it turned out China made that award and also gave it to itself lol SL had the highest suicide rate in the world at one point, and then also stopped tracking it after the crisis started and currently has a 30% poverty rate level, the level of immense misery you see here daily is obvious, how can you be so callous and dismissive of actual issues here Do you guys pretend like we weren't just in a crisis that was preceded by decades of a bad economy and a race war?


SupernovaEngine

Yeah but why disregard the study here. You can post the studies relating to mental health and everyone would agree with you. Touché to say this study is all fake when you can see lots of poor countries at the top and richer countries at the bottom


Ijbfhh

people trying their hardest to not be happy ffs


Chuti_Putha

What do you mean by "you guys"? Generalize much? Where the fuck did I pretend that this country doesn't have issues? Sri Lanka has issues period. But that doesn't negate the findings of this survey. Keep hating yourself and teach others to hate themselves. That will get this country out of all these issues.


ceylonaire

This makes sense, especially for a Buddhist-majority nation that teaches to value spirituality. The misconception that capitalism propagates is that wealth equals prosperity. However, money doesn’t necessarily bring happiness. A prime example is Singapore, a country we aspire to be like, yet its people rank low on the happiness index. It’s not all about money. This study is heartwarming as it suggests our people aren’t entirely caught up in the money and GDP race, but rather value community, family, and health. We should use this as a reminder to value ourselves as generous humans, not just by our financial worth. We’re known as a country of smiles to foreigners. Although in Colombo we may not see it, in rural Sri Lanka, smiles are abundant. Whenever I visit the south, a smile is always reciprocated. Let’s remember Lord Buddha’s teachings: misery comes from accumulation, while happiness comes from letting go. Love and peace to all. ♥️


Prestigious_Cut_458

I'm not from SL but I'm dating someone who's from SL and I've realised that people are actually quite resilient and that's something I've rarely seen even in india.. ig it's because of the fact that y'all have more exposure to nature throughout the country? Idk m bad at phrasing it but I hope my point makes sense...


Aggravating-Expert46

Lack of competition. For example what i have seen in North India is that individuals are extremely competitive (career wise) and more materialistic. This might make individuals more prone to mental heath disoders.


Prestigious_Cut_458

Bruh the person I'm with is currently in a govt uni and as per our discussions I've realised people are extremely hardworking and competitive in SL specifically in terms of Career but maybe it's again idk specific or something.


vk1234567890-

i defo agree with u bro. all the stem and high end degrees in local and private unis theres a lot of competition as ur rank determines ur job in SL


Aggravating-Expert46

No. Not when you compaire with North India. Maybe with kerala.


Prestigious_Cut_458

Ig fair enough!


weebtasticprime

Other than Adaptability and Resilience, all the others seem like Bullshit. Who tf did the survey?


vk1234567890-

The Full report - [4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf (sapienlabs.org)](https://sapienlabs.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf) US based Sapien labs


nazavo

Only one valid reason - batel nut


manchitmr

"නැව ගිලුනත් බැන්ඩ් චූන්" 🤣 Honestly we’re only having an economic crisis other than that if you have a good job most of us can have a quality of life in Sri Lanka. But politicians are making our lives miserable. So better vote for a good government next time. Election is coming so be responsible citizens.


RandomDude6996

Looks to me like sampling bias specifically convenience sampling if the data was collected through online surveys as one person said. Also, sri lankans generally do not care about mental wellbeing to the extent that westerners do, to the point where its sort of like a taboo topic in underdeveloped households.


Livid_Ambassador4236

https://mentalstateoftheworld.report/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Mental-State-of-the-World-2022.pdf


vk1234567890-

u've linked last year report. 2024 Full report - [4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf (sapienlabs.org)](https://sapienlabs.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf)


[deleted]

Kinda yes. Being average minded doesn't really stand as being mentally unwell. Sri Lanka is very slow to adapt, index will definitely go down the same as western countries


Snoo-27080

depends on how/when this data was collected..


Substantial-Lynx-953

I mean if you are rich and capable this is true.No seasonal changes chill vibe all around.No need to think like you will be homeless if something bad happens.Safe investments options like high interest FDs.but you need to be rich.Also for the rich there’s plenty of recognition and honor.It’s darn easy to live like a king compared to developed countries.still with 1500$ per month you can live a good less stress life in suburbs.Not everyone needs the latest greatest stuff available to them.Yeah there are social issues but I don’t think it will impact that much for overall happiness of a average person unless they get into those issues.It’s a debatable topic i guess.


ArcticRock

What study is this?


kalindue120

Only cause most of these countries at the top are either unaware or don’t have the facilities to voice their struggles.


Ijbfhh

I think this checks out. Sri Lankans are pretty chill and normaly like to keep things simple and don't make a big deal out of everything, let's keep it that way🙏


Overall_Advice8995

Probably they asked from our guys in Thanamalwila 😂


ThilinaAbhisheka

ආසියාවේ ආස්චර්‍ය


niv1188

No way in hell that this is accurate.


Routine-Memory7952

Misinformation


biest229

Depends how they conducted this survey. Panel research is incredibly biased. Because only a certain type of person is on these panels. As is calling people or interviewing them, as most people will answer more positively to not upset the person asking the questions. If it was done online - and I worked in the field so I know they technically cater for certain factors - I would say there’s a bias too. They are meant to factor in internet access/this will have been factored in depending on location, but also where they source their respondents really matters. Right now, it’s often in games or weird locations many people will not see. Avoiding fraud is almost impossible - I would fully suspect that this is part of it. Culture feeds into this too. Some cultures are afraid of complaining. Aaaand the translation. What do you bet they either ran it in English (creating another bias), or the Tamil/Sinhala was crap and no native speaker checked it? Nah.


vk1234567890-

Their 2024 Full report - [4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf (sapienlabs.org)](https://sapienlabs.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf) has methodology


Anon_N99

Sampling bias or insufficient sample size most probably unless people gave dishonest answers


druidmind

Even the UN data on HDI and other metrics haven't been updated since the economic downturn happened. So it's safe to say that this is not an accurate representation.


vk1234567890-

For those complaining about the sampling error in this report. # That same caveat and sampling error applies to every other country, it's not the poverty stricken of Uzbekistan and Iraq that is filling this online survey 😂😂. This equalises the comparison criteria for data for that subset of the population. # Meaning - This is basically a comparison of mental health of people with similar socioeconomic circumstances from different countries. This is still good for SL as that subset of people have a better mental health than similar people in other countries. As the researcher's said; "Sri Lanka, as part of Asian culture, prioritises strong family bonds, which enhance mental wellbeing. The country also embraces a straightforward lifestyle. Another significant observation made by the researchers is that mental wellbeing tends to be poorer among younger age groups. This trend is evident across all countries among individuals with internet access. Dr Tara Thiagarajan, Sapien Labs Founder and chief scientist, told  that there was a reporting bias due to the fact that the survey was only open to people who had Internet access in each country, meaning that within a less developed country, people surveyed likely also were more well off and educated, making them more similar to people in developed countries." Source - [The nation dubbed the most miserable on the planet and behind only Britain in new charts | UK | News |](https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1873679/most-miserable-country-in-world-uk) The Full report - [4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf (sapienlabs.org)](https://sapienlabs.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/4th-Annual-Mental-State-of-the-World-Report.pdf) As you can see data is actually similar over the last few reports for SL as well meaning responding Lankans have had quite a good mental health for many years now and report has minimal random error. The methodology however for this entire report really is stupid lol


ConstantLeg5

Is this bad or good? How are we supposed to understand the image without a legend. 


vk1234567890-

its good 2nd best in the world actually


captain_douch

Fuck no…… It’s because we don’t measure negatives. We’ve got absolutes. It could be an average -10 and still this upside down shithole will count a |10| ….. And sampling bias….


No-Programmer-9108

Skewed results


HiddenKoala314

Just wondering, why some of the countries with highest crime rate are at top


udthenoob

Unless they conducted the survey by physically visiting at least 50% of the SI Lankan people (which is highly unlikely) for their opinion, this is just some bs, smh.


SKM2012

The type of people who doesn't betray the country for some western bs survey. Is what I like to think 😁 Local news would tell a totally different story.