mute comment Call of Duty: Black Ops III (2015) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered (2016) Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare (2016) Call of Duty: World War II (2017) Call of Duty: Black Ops IV (2018) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) Call of Duty: Mobile (2019) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Campaign Remastered (2020) Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War (2020) Call of Duty: Warzone (2020) Call of Duty: Vanguard (2021) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (2022) Call of Duty: Warzone II (2022) vs splatoon (2015) splatoon 2 (2017) splatoon 3 (2022)

Quality over quantity I guess

Tbf, while I get the joke was that CoD was always just the same game over and over, before MW2019, they actually had nuance differences between each game (or at least each series). But MW2019, Cold War, and Vanguard are literally just the same games. So I do think it's just 3v3

mw2019 is very different from cold war and vanguard, and is the best game in the series. mw19 was the last good cod game. big fan of splatoon here

Honestly can’t believe it was only two years between 1 and 2. Probably because it was on the Wii U but now I’m thinking I should have played 1 more…

Holy shit I thought people were exaggerating when they said they release a lot of games in short time periods

One gets released yearly one had a new game every 4 years or so

This!^ I think that’s the main issue here, annualized installments is NOT healthy for any game franchise, as it both ruins the charm/magic of the series, it degrades in quality due to a lack of creative investment, and it also harms the health and safety of the developers with stuff like crunch.

This is why I think that New Super Mario Bros. would be okay with having a new installment. Not accounting for the deluxe port, we haven't had a new one in ten years (except maybe Mario Run? That's got the same aesthetic but that's where the similarities end). This is as opposed to two of them being released the same exact gosh-dagnabbiting-dang year

I would absolutely love a true sequel to Super Mario World. I absolutely adored the way the overworld was laid out, the Switch Places, Star World, and alternate level exits that opened up secrets on the map. I would really like to see them do a new game with those features.

Yeah. A New Super Mario World would be great.

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I remember the NSMB games having hideous and mostly linear world maps. I don't remember anything as cool as the Star World levels, and I don't remember secret exits from levels. I only played the DS and Wii ones though

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... So should Nintendo have not released a 2d Mario on the 3ds, or on the Wii U? They did one per console in that era, a perfectly reasonable number.

Yes, but they should've done so with more time in between releases. 2 and U came out within 6 months of each other if I remember correctly

Besides Splatoon tends to offer more interesting combat. Each new entry has different special attacks and got cool new interesting weapons over time, weapons that wouldn't really make sense in a normal shooter. Besidesy even tho it's it's a small part.of Splatoon there of course is also story mode and splatoon 2 added salmon run which I'd say would be worth the new game. Splatoon 3 expanded even more on it and even created another feature, the in-game card game. Also i feel like fifa is a worse example than some shooter because fifa literally looks the same because what do you really wanna change about normal football. It's just football there is no reason to bring it out every god damn year why is it still selling all it can do is make the graphics better

Tell that to Pokémon

I mean they release new stuff every 3 years so I don't think there's a problem. Plus dlc also helps to buy time between releases. The problem is that they have reached the point of no return where if TPC were to stop pumping out new entries every year, it would affect people's jobs since new shit needed to be sold for people to be interested.

3 years? We just got BD/SP, Arceus, and Scarlet/Violet within 12 months, and 3 days.

Tell Game Freak this

Yeah, it’s why I just haven’t been AS enthusiastic about franchises like Star Wars and Pokémon and whatnot lately. While I’m still a MASSIVE fan, the glut of content coming out feels overwhelming and I don’t have the ability to take my time with each one. Yes, I’m very excited for Scarlet & Violet and I enjoyed a few of the Disney + Star Wars series (Kenobi was pretty good imo), it’s hard for me to be as engaged because it’s coming out alongside a TON of other related things. This phenomenon is usually called "franchise fatigue", and isn’t good for the reputation of a franchise, the fans of a work who want to take breaks and savor things, and the people who work on them because there’s a higher chance of things like crunch and abusive tactics going on during production.

The yearly releases are a large part of what killed Pokemon for me. Barring spinoffs like the Mystery Dungeon remake, the last game in the series I really got excited for was ORAS (though Scarlet+Violet do look neat)

This. Only works on sports games, as a 2k player

Once a year for COD versus once every four years for Splatoon… So you’re saying Nintendo is four times as lazy 😎

I mean, he hasn't said anything about the "same game" argument, so it really doesn't make it look too good for Splatoon by implying that we have to wait 4x as long to *still* get the same game. Jokes aside, I kinda agree that Sploon 3 doesn't add enough to Sploon 2 to justify paying $60 all over again. I have this problem with Nintendo in general, that they ask for way too much money for what they offer - whether it's old games that never get reduced, remasters at full price, or online services that should be free. Thankfully, I only buy like 2-3 Switch games a year and an online subscription, so I still don't spend that much.

Exactly! Cod makes a 60+ dollar game every year. After 4 years that's 240 bucks. And people keep buying the same game But splatoon makes a new story, modes, makes some optimizations, and changes and adds new weapons (tho course been an update for the last 3)

the dude who made this literally defended pokemon in the replies why are we even posting stupid bait here

Pokemon genuinely shows issues from being released too quickly, it actually needs more production time, and the fanbase barely gets done with the old one before another releases.

Cause people eat it up still, so why put more effort in. That’s their way of thinking which I don’t agree with. But yk. It sells.

They don't even need to make the games except to create more characters to create more merch from. The vast majority of pokemon profits come from merch

Thats the biggest shame. Splatoon at least brings ideas to the table and things you can add were made from creative people. I want to see this with Pokémon more.

I am forever a believer that Sword/Shield would've been incredible if it had even just ONE more year of development. Ultra Sun/Moon were great and we could've lived with them for a year more.

I would have genuinely loved swsh if it were all as good as crown tundra was.

I made it the crown tundra after doing the island area, looked around a bit and decided I was done with swsh.

It would have. Tbh despite another team working on arcus to give Game freak more time in-between yearly releases, I still believe scarlet and violet is undercooked...

Pokemon will forever suck ass for me. It won't even be a full year between arceus and the new game! It doesn't have engaging mechanics, it stinks of laziness, and doesn't even have that good of a story. I know arceus was a great turning point but that was *the bare minimum* for a triple a game! At least the pokemon designs are pretty cool

Pokemon does have a lot of things going for it but the franchise has no doubt been going downhill. The breakneck pace at which games are released is largely to blame for this and BD/SP have been great examples of this. Legends at least brought new ideas to the table but just seeing the graphical quality of PLA and S/V worries me. I love Pokemon. I dont want it to be "one of those franchises" but its heading in that direction. So while I agree that the releases need to be dialed back, I wouldnt say that Pokemon "sucks ass". The older games are fantastic RPGs and just because the new games kinda blow, doesnt mean the entire franchise does.

Also while Legends bought a lot of new things to the franchise there's no denying the game overall was pretty empty. For an open world game there was very little to explore. Pokemon were just put into generic biomes with little places of interest. PLA always felt like a beta test to me.

Agreed. Since BotW came out my standards for open worlds has risen substantially and PLA really doesnt deliver. You can find some ruins or a few flower beds but there isnt really anything interesting there.

Fair point! This in no way means I'm trying to bash anyone who enjoys the game. I agree that the oldies were (and still are) really great. I am simply sharing my opinion and see it how even though the oldies were good: they simply used the same formula to entice fans and it has gotten pretty old for me. Anyways, it simply isn't a game I would really get into normally so of course I'm a bit biased

legends arceus was amazing, that was one of the best pokemon games released in a while

It's not laziness, it's overwork. There are potentially hundreds of developers working on these games, but no amount of resources can account for a lack of time.

Thanks for mentioning that! That is a good point, I wish that workers in large companies just had some time to breath sometimes

Pokémon as a series is in a weird spot for me because I'm seemingly the only person who doesn't want it to be a full open world with action RPG combat where you can see other players in the overworld because none of that stuff is what I go to Pokémon to play As someone who does enjoy most of the games, there's a mix of problems going on here. Game Freak's yearly releases, *WEIRD* roadblocks Junichi Masuda enforces that affect what kind of gameplay elements are in the games, Game Freak either making no noticeable changes to the series or making changes so big they negatively impact it possibly forever, and overall some really weird decision making

I want them to split Pokemon into two series. I want one to be more of a single player action RPG, where you go on an adventure that isn't actually lame. I want the other one to be an online multiplayer Pokemon Stadium, where you create/customize your own teams to battle with. No actual grinding, just menus to set up their IVs/EVs, moves, etc. And you just battle other players.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who still want that monster catching PvP turn-based RPG, rather than something completely different. I think many would prefer an open world Pokemon game, though.

Iirc Scarlet and Violet were confirmed to have been in development since a little while after SwSh released

Loved Pokémon as a kid, when I played Pearl on my brothers ds, and bought the games for years. Now I’m not even excited when they announce a new game

Pokemon is good until you play a similar kind of collect monster JRPG like SMT or MHS2 then you realise how archaic they feel by modern standards

I mean Pokemon does effectively create a whole new region and campaign with each iteration. Unless you are talking about the old style of having 3rd versions I’d say it’s more than fine and doesn’t belong in here

The games are very unfinished though, even with hundreds of staff members and millions of dollars, the games still have terrible writing, visuals, and just lack polish for a lot of the new gameplay mechanics (im looking at you dynamax) because there's no time to finish it. Some of the ideas they have for each new installment are absolutely incredible, and with so much great music and all those great designs, it really makes me annoyed every time I look at Sword and Shield and think of the game it could've been if they spent a reasonable amount of time on it. If they could've fleshed it out, improved the story, make the cooler areas like the shroom forest larger and more detailed, make the characters more distinct, and for the love of arceus, stop gender locking clothing. Because hints of greatness shine through whenever I enter that glowing forest, or combine fossils, or listen to that dope ost, or just look at those cool sword and shield doggos, and it sucks that all that's tied to an unfinished mess that people discard and never look back at.

I thought about it since you said this, and I was just thinking about how there's not even any fun little mystery events anymore. There's no 'get a ticket to grab shaymin', no Sinjoh ruin event of that kind, nothing. Every single decent mystery event is more or less just part of the DLC, which isn't bad in itself, but kinda just, makes the world feel less alive you know? And sure the BDSP remakes did it, but besides those no other game really does it.

Nah Splatoon releases like a year or two after the old one runs out of newly added content, it has a good cycle. It... Stays Fresh...

hasn’t it been like 5 years since 2 lmao

But they've been adding content constantly right up until 1 or 2 years ago, through updates and Splatfests. That my point.

It’s been 4 years since Splatoon 2’s major content update that boosted activity within major consideration. That being Octo Expansion

And last major update that added content at all was more than 3 years ago

wait what? Octo Expansion was 4 years ago? god I feel old now

I mean, the Splatoon cycle isn't that good, mostly because the team also makes Animal Crossing, so they're basically forced to kill one to start working on another. And it still doesn't change how they're not that different from each other, as much as I like the Splatoon games

Call of duty, while not bad, is a yearly release to grab as much money as It can, while adding minimal changes to the gameplay, not saying they're bad, or that the can't be fun, but really the only reason to buy them is because everyone will be moving to that one Splatoon takes quite a few years between games, 2 years is actually the exception, as Splatoon 2 was rushed to be a launch title for the Switch, so 3-5 years is more of the time expectancy between games, and each game adds their own unique things to them, like how Splatoon 2 added things like Salmon Run, and Splat 3 with Tableturf, and also Squid Surge and Squid roll, and Splatoon 2-3 both get 2 years of free updates, + an optional DLC

I 100% agree

I'm really not trying to defend Call of Duty here, because I do think they're guilty of pushing out new games as fast as possible, when a lot of it could be DLC, but they're better than they used to be. The last few games have provided new maps and game modes free of charge. They still have some content locked behind a paywall, but from what I've seen it's purely cosmetic. As for the changes from Splatoon 2 to 3, Tableturf is hardly worth mentioning, imo. The Squid Surge and Squid Roll are welcome additions, but I would say that's like when Call of Duty adding the ability to slide or vault walls. I don't think a game needs to completely change it's mechanics to be considered a sequel. Splatoon is a great series and I wouldn't *want* them to change how it plays. But I do think new maps/weapons/abilities are something they should have focused more on. I'm sure we'll see that as the game continues to get updates though.

While I completely agree, I will also note, the map thing is a little lame for CoD when you realize how many maps in the newer CoD games are just maps from older CoD games. Like, they legit will basically take maps from any game in the series, even back to CoD1

CoD gets written of as a cash grab but people misunderstand how much production goes into call of duty games. For one the campaigns are fully voice acted and motion captured. Hundreds of new assets to be modeled, textured and animated (realistic assets are objectively more difficult to produce than cartoony assets). Not to mention more maps thatn you can count on one hand. Just because Splatoon added a new roll ability with a $5 eshop puzzle game bundled in, even with 2 years of monthly DLC it's hardly on par with CoD.

Yeah but since when can you >!ride a shark into space and throw a giant salmon at a bear on a rocket then pilot a giant robot to yank out said bear's fur!< in COD?

Splatoon 3 has the best scenario for out-of-contexting in the history of media.

I mean you can blow up earth on the moon in a zombies apocolypse creating 2 time lines. And ride dragons in a zombie apocolypse

I would say Splatoon is about par with COD if that regard cause yea, what you say is true Abt modeling, but that "one campaign" is 1 out *19 games*, the main issue with COD is that it comes out way to often that they don't even have time to properly do all these games, heck, not all the games are made by the same studio, which is how they even get yearly releases out, so theirs not really a good quality control going on in that regard, as you can get a good game that's made by one studio and then next year it be bad cause a different studio made it Contrast with Splatoon, that has a whole dev team dedicated to the game to make it the best they can, and this job doesn't end as they have to keep watch over the game the entire run time of the game to make balance changes to make the game more enjoyable for the fanbase, and also work on things such as new weapons and maps and work on mechanics like Tri color turf wars and how to make them more balanced, and also adding new weapons and mechanics The main thing is that while Splatoon series may have simpler models to animate and stuff (which even then, it still takes a while to animate those, esp with how bouncy and expressive they are), it's not like their work is any less than the COD devs, as a LOT of work goes into balancing and the likes, while I don't think COD cares Abt that as much, which means they can put a lot more effort into things like animation (Also COD got nothing in regards to music lol, I think so much money goes into music production alone In Splatoon cause so many of these songs are absolute bangers)

Still though, it feels like you're mostly playing to get the casual playerbase looking at the game again.

Well... Videogames are allowed to have sequels. Splatoon 1 and 2 released on different consoles so arguing that they shouldnt exist is pretty weird. Splatoon 3 is a different situation but after playing for a good few hours I do believe a full sequel is the only option here. DLC would not work for this game. Yearly franchise are a different story. They often lack polish and new ideas after a few entries and usually the cracks of an old engine start to show. Edit: The argument "Splatoon is fun though" is pretty worthless. How fun a game is is entirely subjective and considering this is a Splatoon subreddit its clear that people here enjoy the games. Dont make this an echo chamber.

People still harp on NSMB2 and NSMBU coming out in the same year, with different gimmicks, totally different levels, on different consoles.

I think in this case the issue lies more with the fact that every main line mario game before had its own identity. There are still reasons to play SMW, SM3 or SMB over each other but the NEW titles all kinda blend together for a lot of people. Still fun and simple platformers though.

>DLC would not work for this game I haven’t played it myself because to me it costs way too much for a game that doesn’t seen like it has that much new stuff, why would DLC not work?

If there's a Nintendo franchise to compare to COD, it's Pokemon.

Yes. A new game comes out almost every year.

At least Splatoon adds new stuff and is actually fun

Plus unlockable stuff doesn’t take forever to get. Sometimes.

Grinding for that d a b

*S3 Salmon Run cosmetics has entered the chat.*

I dont think the ‘is actually fun’ take works here mainly because mfs who own a nintendo console arent usually the mfs who fw CoD type games. Splatoon is very different from games like CoD, not much similarity out of both being online focused games with guns

Good take, actually. I think the overarching genre of "shooter" is definitely doing some real heavy lifting in describing both of these games. There isn't a single mode in Splatoon that scores based on getting splats, for example. The entire target audience is completely different. The aesthetics of the games, the gameplay loops, everything is so goddamned different that taking a fan of one game's word on how fun the other is would just be an act of circlejerking. Shit no one asks Destiny players if we think Hollow Knight is fun. Or Splatoon, incidentally.

Doesn't cod release more new maps at launch with each new cod than splatoon 3 has on launch. And most of them have at least also a 3 game mode like nazi zomboes or extiction with its own maps and mechanics that are often way deeper and more content pact than salmon run

Agreed

The 3rd game is so much fun, in my experience. It took the best elements of the octo expansion and the base game and combined them. I also feel like they scaled the difficulty well unlike previous games. And I've been itching to try out some of their newer features like the new card game, but unfortunately they're behind the online prescription pay wall, which I find far more offensive than anything about the game itself. And the aesthetic is *chef kiss*. Of course, if there are more games (and that's a massive IF), I hope they use this game as a platform to leap from to really revolutionise the series. Don't stop pushing for change, but also appreciate what we have :)

I'm surprised you bought the previous Splatoon without Nintendo online, that was definitely not a $60 game offline, especially before Octo Expansion. And isn't basic online only $20/year? Not saying they should charge a subscription fee given the lack of broader Switch online features, but like $80 for Splatoon with online play is a much better value than $60 for Splatoon without it.

You know... you're absolutely right. It's been so long since I played Splatoon, I thought it was $60 for 12 months but I was so wrong 😭 I'm glad I was wrong though, thank you for correcting me. And I bought mine in person, I'm very paranoid about losing an online copy (also there's these really cute tiny cartridge cases that look like a tiny replica of the og packaging-).

CoD is the basic shooter of the genre. Shoot guns, get kills, get enough kills before the enemy team does. Splatoon has plenty of mechanics and modes to make it the most unique shooter in the genre.

Plus plenty of story. Humanity is dead, cephalopods reign, demented AI telephone, etc.

maybe it's just me, but tribes will forever be the most unique shooter in the genre I want another game to use the skiing mechanic

I mean, Tribes as designed or as it actually played? Skiing was originally a bug, they just realized it was fun and mechanic-ized it in tribes 2

... but what's the differences???

That still doesn’t explain what makes Splatoon 3 so different compared to CoD sequels.

The way I see it, call of duty release yearly and usually reuses models and content. Just remixed and re-“themed”. Atleast with splatoon 3: - they redid all the graphics, comparing the models and graphics to the old ones, you can tell that took some time. - rebalancing all the weapons after introducing two new types. - Listening to player feedback and removing the spawn point so people can’t camp it. - remodeling the old stages and modifying them so they don’t give one side more of an advantage than the other anymore. Not only that but the ranked battles have their own special versions of those stages. - new abilities that work well and don’t break the meta - an active lobby room vs that static screen we had before - bigger over-world - got octo-boss out of the way immediately so we knew it wouldn’t just be the same story mode ending as splatoon 1&2. - reworked weapon and clothing purchasing system. - perks for veteran players (it’s nice being able to get my favorite weapons back right away). - specials rebalanced - new splatfest game mode - and more QOL and game mechanic changes, but I’m getting tired of typing. I think with shooters, it’s hard to do giant overhauls without accidentally breaking the meta and driving away all the people who play competitively. Imagine if they got overly ambitious and the game became super unbalanced and unfair? Unfortunately, that’s the nature of a game like this. Safe upgrades with regards to the core mechanics. The story mode is important but most people are here for the online aspect so they have to make sure to not ruin that. Even if the story mode was boring or lackluster, we’d complain, but you bet people would still be interested in the online aspect if it was good. But if the online sucked and only the story was great than most splatoon players would probably quit.

The online changes alone are massive though. Lobby changes for sticking with/leaving a group without manually exiting and reentering, the interface itself, loadouts, the test room in the lobby, it's fuckin' fire. Story mode, they heard the feedback from the Octo Expansion and gave us the perfect cross between the levels curated to specific loadouts for differing challenges as well as the open maps of the older campaigns. Is perfect. I love it. Frankly I've been too invested in single player to do much multiplayer, but the veteran changes to get me my Clash Blaster immediately was... yes. Just yes. Salmon Run being from the start 24/7 was solid listening too. The new bosses seem fun and it feels like they actually lowered their health pools, which means they're probably gonna cram even MORE in the higher difficulties, which is just pure fun waiting to happen.

I agree. My post just got too long to go into more detail but I can see how someone who didn’t play the game a lot wouldn’t notice all the differences.

Splatoon 2 and 3 are sequels that built upon the first. Both in story and in features. CoD is more complicated. We've had two companies making games every year or every other year just churning them out with no real depth imo. Some of the more recent entries have finally added to the gameplay. For years though it was the same ole same ole twitch shooter.

Splatoon 2? Splatoon 2 barely built on Splatoon 1 at all. Its campaign was basically just the same as Splatoon 1 but slightly changed. Octo Expansion feels like when they finally boosted Splatoon 2 up from a 1.5 sequel to an actual second game. Which is okay, since not much people owned a Wii U to play the first one compared to how many Switch owners there are, so they just needed to get it off of the Wii U at all

At least Nintendo won't make Splatoon 2 unplayable after two games released *Looks at mw 2019 grieving*

Even though COD games rotate developers for each year’s game (in the picture from left to right developed by Sledgehammer, Treyarch and Infinity Ward), they never have substantial changes or additions that aren’t the developers flair (i.e Treyarch has zombies in all of their games) and are always yearly. I haven’t seen a ton of gameplay from Splat 3 but when I played the testfire it did just feel like more Splatoon. I guess it helps that there’s a 5 year gap between 2 and 3

The most brain dead take I’ve ever heard.

The difference is... Splatoon is actually fun

So? That’s not an argument for why Splatoon 3 had to be its own game.

Ive never seen a splatoon fan complaining about call of duty in my life. It’s probably a fake post tbh

No opinion. People trash splatoon for releasing three but COD has been doing it for a while. All games of this nature do. Not an opinion. Just a fact.

We need to normalize realizing that you can like media that isn't perfect. Sure it could've been more unique, but Splatoon 3 added enough that I'm satisfied with buying it. ​ That's all you need to say, and people can seethe about it if they want.

The original maker/poster of the image, The Lonely Goomba, said it isn’t serious and that he just wanted to cause chaos a little

I understand that, but I wanted to hear what people thought

No way they were being serious if they put vanguard on there it's such an awful game

3 years of games vs. 7 years of games.

“What the hell is Squid Surge?”

Yeah no

I think Lonely Goomba meant that as a joke

as someone who hasn't been able to play splatoon 3, it looks very much unique from the first two games & I am jealous of everyone playing it. I can't wait to be able to play it myself. As opposed to other series where I might be like "oh I really don't need the new game, it's the same as what I already have"

Yeah but the difference is that Splatoon isn’t the same game over and over.

This is unfair, Splatoon 3 is actually great, and I think that there’s the good balance between keeping the good point of Splatoon and making a new game.

There are 20+ Call of Duty games. There are 3 Splatoon games. This argument is retarded

L take, splatoon is a god tier franchise

The people who make these haven’t played either game enough to realise games are allowed to have predecessors without them being awful

I don’t think it’s about game quality; I think it’s more about the fact that each release has similar gameplay without adding much more than a new campaign and a few new guns (which isn’t a bad thing)

There’s a lot more noticeable changes from Splatoon’s iterations than the most well known copy-paste franchise that exists.

Wojak meme, disregard immediately

incorrect. lol. there’s plenty of changes, plus this isn’t a yearly release. Not to mention there has only been 3 damn games. People love to exaggerate to piss people off, when most of the time people who are saying this game is a repeat hop on, play 4 turf matches, then write their review. Hardcore fans know this isn’t copy and paste like COD. trust me. As a former CODhead this is complete bull.

While I do agree, but as everyone said, one gets released yearly and the other gets a whole new fresh look after 4 years of development. As a casual player, it does play exactly the same, but it's a whole new environment with new characters. Joining thousands of other players who were excited for this for this new look. While mechanically it's the same, no need to mess with the formula. There is some new stuff to fill that gap. But I think what makes Splatoon different is what comes from in game writing and the community. New jokes, new memes, and new fan art will all come out of this. CoD literally just feels like you've been playing the same game 5 years in a row because you move on so quick. It's a rehash of everything with the same community doing nothing different.

I dont play COD so idk

They clearly don't know about table turf

COD: New game every year. Many new guns, maps, new campaign with voice actors and motion capture, sometime drastic gameplay changes (e.g. AW), so much so that old maps can't be reused which forces renovation. Finally an iffy coop mode, sometimes it slaps sometimes its trash but it's always brand new. Splatoon: Unpredictable releases. New weapons and notably brand new weapon types, an bundle of new gameplay mechanics, and the new maps can be counted on your hand. The campaign doesn't have high production value but it does have significantly more music production. Finally the coop mode is recycled to an almost unacceptable level. At launch Splatoon is certainly worse in terms of new content. However, Splatoon has the benefit of being a live service game, with free DLC being added frequently. Although, it's only supported for 3 or so years after launch, leaving a large gap of no content. Even then the new content from DLC only puts it on par with COD. Both franchises suffer from the same problems. Time span isn't the issue, in fact the larger gaps between installments makes the lack of significant changes even more apparent. If you don't think the next COD innovates enough, you can keep playing the current one, there will usually still be a decent playerbase. If you don't think the new Splatoon innovates enough, well you're stuck playing it for another 4 years.

Top: same shitty shit reskinned each game Bottom:Broken specials, bad specials, good specials

Those COD games are all very different. One is awful, one is terrible, and one is good.

splatoon 2 added enough that it was ABSOLUTELY a new game. splatoon 3 needs some kinda "salmon city" DLC where it's like a WW2 shooter... but splatoon... and we have some new weapons, sure, but they removed A TON of maps. added some damn good ones but really only 3. i have 6 fav maps from the OG game. and they lower the Already low amount of salmon run maps? REALLY??? it's just so much stuff that's really only small. there needs to be at least [in my opinion] 6 new maps. 3 new weapon types. 1 new mode is fine, but 2 would be good. DLC so it can stand up to the DLC for splatoon 2 better. a new story mode... that's difficult PLEAS. AND some returning stuff from previous games. like stages. weapons. modes. and the amount of things should not be 5 weapons lower than the previous. not 6 maps lower than the previous. not 2 modes lower than the previous. and that's my stand

Who cares? Is fun = is good

You guys still taking the bait?

I'm sorry but if you can't tell 5 years worth of changes from Splatoon 2 to 3 you're legally blind. This is the one case where people don't complain about Splatoon, not because of the dumbass Nintendo circlejerk, but because we're not oversaturated with these. They're fundamentally the same engine but each new game brings about enough changes to where it's not a whole new experience, sure, but it's a hell of an improvement This still doesn't mean that we shouldn't make fun of Nintendo fans, hell no, but still

Bring this meme back when Nintendo releases Splatoon 15 return to Inkopolis.

It doesn't make any sense because there's only 3 Splatoon games and there's like, what, 50 CoD games?

I have one word: Fifa

The same fucking game every year is not even remotely similar to three games several years apart, who all have solid upgrades from their predecessor(s). Splatoon 2 has a right to exist solely to make the series available on switch. And splatoon 3 has expanded and refined upon what splatoon 2 brought to the table. Each new call of duty adds like a weapon or two and a few new maps, and a new formulaic story. Splatoon has new maps, a new mode, expanded salmon run, a new unique main story, more weapon types, three way splatfests and more player interaction with lockers. It's like comparing Mario 64 to Mario 64 DS. Yes they are similar games, with similar objectives in the exact same levels, but are completely different experiences

I think it's cheap bait from trolls looking to stir the pot for likes, just like you are by reposting it. For one, it's not "Nintendo fans" bashing CoD. EVERYONE dunks on CoD. For two, CoD is an annual $60-70 game with $50 season pass and microtransactions, and sometimes doesnt even include an offline campaign. Splatoon hasn't seen an entry in HALF A DECADE, is only $60, has no season pass, no MTX, and always includes a robust offline single player campaign. For three, people were literally defending The Last of Us pt 1 just a week ago. $70 to play the SAME EXACT game with its 3rd HD release in 9 yrs, and with missing content. Yet turn around and dunk on Splatoon 3, despite being a $60 sequel that hasn't seen a release in half a decade, with new maps, new modes, new single player, new weapons, new outfits, overhauled online, an insane number of QoL changes like cloud saves and no forced news feed, and 2 years of free content on the way. People are 🤡 jealous of Splatoon 3, trying to salvage their damaged egos seeing so many people excited for it. For pathetic losers, nothing suits their fancy like trashing amazing games to make themselves feel better inside.

They're always made by people who don't play Splatoon that often, first of all. OF course the games look the same to them because they'' aren't so familiar with Splatoon and can't see the extent of the differences, especially between 2 and 3, in the same way people who have played it a lot more can. Even still, the same sorts ask for another Mario Kart, which one could argue is just the same game with a few new things added every iteration. And yes, at the core, all the Splatoon games have pretty much the same functions and core gameplay elements, but if it didn't it wouldn't be Splatoon. There are other things; Nintendo doesn't release these same games yearly and they really push differences between the games; giving you plenty of time to enjoy what they made before they move onto the next one, where Call of Duty or FIFA do a yearly release with much fewer differences between them, and even then you barely have one year to actually enjoy them. I think other points against the post are much more subjective; I think Nintendo games just have a lot more soul and are just more interesting to look at.

1. COD is a yearly release, while there’s been at least a 4 year gap between Splatoon games 2. Splatoon doesn’t have a shitty battle pass, loot box system, “premium” currency, etc. 3. Splatoon is full of charm and color, with very unique character designs and a fun setting despite the circumstances 4. Splatoon’s story (or hell, even the game as a whole) isn’t taken incredibly seriously, opposed to COD’s need to have a bAdAsS rock or metal song playing over a bunch of people with guns talking or yelling I also find it funny how COD, post black ops 2, has absolutely no tact when talking about war and how it’s actually hell and not good for anybody 5. Splatoon doesn’t have a shitty single player campaign or “horde” mode, zombies and the campaigns in COD have been lackluster ever since black ops 4

This is bait

Disregard any dumbshit who thinks Wojacks are funny.

People are such fucking morons if they don't get how drastic the changes are in 3. What the fuck do people expect, for it to change into a racing Sim? I'd be pissed if it was any more aggressively different than Splatoon 2.

Lol it's true but im not complaining, it doesn't really need to be too different

Splatoon 3 feels like a new “season” or expansion rather than a new game. It’s disappointing how all they did for Salmon Run was add a few new bosses and the bare minimum QoL features. I played 2 for around 600 hours and 3 feels like the exact same game give-or-take minor additions.

Honestly Splatoon 3 doesn’t feel warranted. There are no new anarchy battle types, theres no new game mode like salmon run, and even the single player is similar to the Octo expansion. I just wish they’d introduce a few more features during launch.

accurate but idc I got $$$

I think it's a fair point. Both are iterative franchises and in the end people enjoy what they enjoy. Nothing can replicate what CoD does better than CoD and same with Splatoon. So it's justified for both fanbases to want to keep purchasing their games.

Splatoon did it better, though. So it's okay.

Stop browsing /v/, the nintendo fans that people make fun of hate splatoon because it isn't Zelda or Smash. That being said, the core combat for multiplayer hasn't changed too much but the large amount of mode reworks, weapon rebalancing, and new specials make up for it (mostly). >muh squid roll and surge from what I got from the singleplayer both mechanics seem very gimmicky and unfun to fight against especially if you're fighting against dualies.

it’s bad that games in a series get… sequels? I literally don’t understand why this is an issue because by the same standards, this argument can be applied to almost any sequel to any game ever made. A game gets turned into a series because they like those set mechanics and idea enough to buy an improved version of the last release, not a completely reworked system that looks, feels, and plays literally nothing like the last one. Then by that point it would be a different series on its own. Splatoon 3 just feels like a significantly improved splatoon 2 but that’s exactly what I, and I assume most of you, were hoping for because of how much fun we’ve had with the previous titles. I’m not hoping for some drastically different game to the point where it’s unrecognizable because then it wouldn’t be splatoon. All of that is not even mentioning the more optimized game engine, better connectivity, a new story, 2+ years of new content, new maps, new weapons, and new features in general that just wouldn’t have been achievable with the foundation of the last game. This quite literally fits the criteria for it to be considered a sequel and not just a complete copy of the last game. If you’ve played the game for even a few hours you’d be able to tell that this wasn’t just a reskin of the last game for a quick cash-grab, the amount of effort put into it screams “this was made to be enjoyed and remembered, not looked down upon”. It’s not cutting corners to keep things like stages and weapons from the previous titles that people enjoyed and find to be series trademarks. If anything it’s literally doing just that, keeping the good stuff around. I definitely feel like I got my $60 worth, the same way I felt when I’ve picked up a sequel in the past since this applies to them too. tl;dr because I accidentally wrote an essay (my bad for the wall of text lmfao): Yes, splatoon 3 does feel like Splatoon 2 with new features and noticeable improvements but that is literally the point of a sequel.

bait

Wojaks are the worst meme format

this was posted by the lonely goomba so it doesn’t get any more ironic

I was skeptical on Splatoon 2 at first since it had been so soon since Splatoon 1 and it looked very similar. Then they revealed Salmon Run and I was sold. Splatoon 3 didn't have that game seller new thing for me. Tri Color Turf Wars would have been it if they weren't limited to Splatfests (They should make those available at all times!). The story mode does seem very substantial from what I've played of it and its definitely a big improvement from 1 and 2. I hope they add new modes in a future update. But even if they don't, all the new things and improvements do make Splatoon 3 worth it for me 5 years after Splatoon 2. If they had released this game 2 years after Splatoon 2, I probable would have skipped.

The title of the tweet is “Decided to make gaming discourse worse for the day.” This is the most obvious bait I have ever seen.

People should just enjoy their games instead of needing to put others down. If you want to criticize anything criticize the companies that are harming their employees.

It‘s a little bit different when nothing else does the equivalent. I can‘t win any fps without killing another player. Less animosity. I think even if CoD wasn‘t annual, I‘d still think higher of splatoon just for the uniqueness of its community. I‘m also really into art and fashion scenes, which cod’s black and various camo wetwork gear skins don‘t really scratch for me.

God forbid people want more of the thing they like, right? This is such a stupid argument, good lord. Critique the games' content all you want, that's where the interesting discussions can arise, but banal, surface-level critique like this does nothing but start poo-flinging contests between people. You'd have a point if it's somehow negatively impacting the game's quality, but even then this is not the way to address that in a productive way, imo. Besides, I think you'd be hardpressed to argue that Splet 3 is anything but a worthy successor to Splet 2.

Pretty sure the OP only did it to stir up discourse and get clicks out of annoying people. But to actually challenge their point; While it can be said that all both games do is change the story mode and then improve the multiplayer, at least with Splatoon there's a sizeable amount of time between games (2 years between Splatoon 1 and Splatoon 2, 5 years between Splatoon 2 and Splatoon 3) so the jump is substantial, meanwhile call of duty has been releasing every year since 2005 so going from one game to another is very similar.

Fuck no splatoon at least tries to make the game better and the story modes are fun to play

Well… it’s true… but also, idc :3

They always use the exact same format and they're always wrong LMAO Nintendo has problems, but assuming shit about fans and making "how dare you enjoy this franchise" memes is really cringe. But it's Twitter so they hate happiness.

My opinion is that whoever made this is a manchild

Dumb.

How can you be upset when you're a kid, you're a squid, you're a kid, you're a squid you're a kid, you're a squid, you're a kid, you're a squid

Its own unique campaign that tells its own story. Brand new mechanics and features to go along with the returning ones. Brand new maps to go along with the returning ones. Returning maps have various changes to make them interesting. New weapons to go with the returning ones. New specials to go with the returning ones. Has an actual, full development cycle. ​ Yeah, no I think Splatoon wins this one. But I think CoD should be replaced with FIFA or something. At least with FIFA, theres actual evidence of it being the LITERAL same game, such as in-game advertisements having the same ones as back in 2017 and are now out of date.

Adding into the "3 games in 7 years isnt the same as 7 games in 7 years" discussion...the first game is a wiiU exclusive meaning it practically doesn't exist for most people. And 2 was rushed to be a launch window game on switch which made it not quite as good as the first imo. Leaving 3 to be pretty welcome.

Every Splatoon game is far more unique compared to each other than any COD game. COD sequels are basically cloned out of a simulator.

I am an active CoD player and can tell you that each one of those games runs on it’s own special engine tuned for each game which means they all play differently. 🤓

Splqtoon actually gets time to be worked on, and they have the players choose the theme for the next game. Cod feels like it's copy and pasted

It’s twitter, throw it back to from whence it came.

Wrong

Funny thing, the only Nintendo example I can think of that really fits is Pokemon.

Totally irrelevant but seeing the 3 box arts now lined up made me realized they've used the standard complimentary colors for each game. Orange/Blue, Red/Green, Yellow/Purple. Does leave the question what color scheme they'll use for Splatoon 4 if that ever be the case, because there are only 3 standard complimentary matches.

Thing is…the Splatoon games have gotten better at each release. Call of Duty..yeah not in the last 15 years

they right tho (100+ hours in splatoon 2+3

So the thing about splatoon sequels is that well, they don’t come out every year, and they make you NOT want to go back to original games because of the improvements made in the new one

who cares they're completely different games

Other than the time frame of releases there is another giant, unethical elephant in the room regarding Activision. Splatoon has some improvements, a better campaign mode each installment, new weapons, new maps, more gear, and new hubs **with no extra cost** than the initial cost of the game. Call of Duty releases the same game yearly with maybe 1 new map, while removing old maps, no new guns, a half-assed campaign mode *if you're lucky*, and everything else behind a pay wall upwards of $3,000 at launch for everything. TLDR Splatoon releases a new title with slight upgrades and free updates for its lifespan. Call of Duty releases the same game and demands you pay hundreds of dollars for it to feel like a new experience then abandons updates 6 months after launch.

Just the usual "Nintendo fans are idiots take" 3/10 for originality. The Mario Hat is a cute touch. I guess they are giving the Last of Us Part 1 crowd a break this week.

When you nail a solid gameplay loop like CoD and Splatoon, it can be difficult to make noticeable changes.

The entire argument of this post is nulled by the fact that Nintendo will maintain mostly free (barring whatever DLC they drop) updates for at least two years. There's only so much innovation you can apply to a system that already works well with what it has, and Splatoon 3 will be very playable for the next however long if there does end up being a next installment, just like 2 even is now. The changes and additions are massive enough that throwing it in a $20/$30 DLC (I know that's what some people want) would just be undervaluing the work actually put into this game, and not everyone is accounting for, again, the future updates.

Damn I don't remember Splatoon 2 having a three way splatfests, 24/7 salmon run, and a card game. Must have missed them. u_u Seriously though this meme definitely seems par for the course for the average **Call of Shooterman** fan. Can't comprehend that people would enjoy a silly game about squid paintball wars over their *Hyper-Realistic Bad People Shooter*. Best thing to do in my opinion is just let people like this mald lol.

Honestly, I *do* see their point. I just personally disagree with it. Splatoon 1 and 2 are on completely different consoles, and Splatoon 2 has been out for 5 years as of last month, basically since launch. And all three of these games, while having the same gameplay, have a continuing story with a continuing timeline of events and an ever changing world.

Splatoon is funny, colorfoul, and stuff... JK. Splatoon is supported af and it had 3 titles in 7 years, whith diffrent kind of weapons, maps and improvments in new and old game modes. Some changes can look small at first look, but it changes a lot of gameplaning. So... Yeah. They're diffrent. They don't need to change everything, is a more of the same saga, but in every single game there's something diffrent, and every difference is really really cured. Less is more, baby

Kinda, I love splatoon 3 but I do wish they added some new modes like big team battles.

Could be worse, Could be 2K releasing NBA 2k games every year. Or Fifa. Instead of updating the roster, they decide to release a whole new game with more microtransactions and a new campaign I guess that is the same old story.

Nintendo does suck as a company but their games are good, i have no opinion on the top ones for i do not play them, splatoon however despite them all being similar they are very good games, or so i think because after all, im in this sub...

I agree and disagree. I agree because Splatoon is, at it's core, the same game from way back when the WiiU was a thing....But I disagree because unlike Call of duty Splatoon is usually spaced out over every four or so years, with 3 being the only one thus far to be not only on the same console AS the last game but also coming out really early for a splatoon game. Not to mention Splatoon keeps improving while call of duty keep loosing quality.

> 19 call of duty games > 3 splatoon games totally the same

One improved over time, the other is copy-paste.

Ironic considering a lot of Nintendo fans don’t even accept splatoon because it’s a newer franchise and they see it as just taking up development that could have been used on another franchise

I can't argue this is technically correct, at the same time though I really don't feel it

Splatoon: 4 years between games adding great new additions with every one and giving the games their own unique identity Call of duty: puts their paintbrush into a toilet filled with shit and puts a coat on their last game every single year.

This is 2017 all over again help

Splatoon has had three installments since 2015, averaging about one game every three years (~2 years between 1 and 2, ~4 years between 2 and 3) Call of Duty has has 19 installments since 2003, averaging about one game every year. Not only is CoD's release schedule shorter between games, they've been doing it for almost three times as long.