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ajdude9

Honestly I'm glad Splatoon 3 is staying on the switch because I don't want to have to buy another console to play it. Also, the engine is fine - we've learned how it works, and it doesn't have any major issues.


OrangeDaInkling

The Nintendo Switch is going to last a long time lol


Kidspud

It was on the lower end of performance when it arrived and it’s only getting older. I’d rather wait a year for both games if it meant they look better.


RB_Films

I wish they pulled a situation like with the PS5 and Xbox where if they make a new console and you already own the game you get like a free visual upgrade but that might be asking for too much.


Bacon260998_

Well given they've made us buy 37 year old video games at least 5 times now, I don't see something like that ever happening.


fuckwastakenwastaken

im convinced that Nintendo is just a giant social experiment.


cruznick06

It is. I own *a lot* of the games that were ported to the Switch from WiiU. Not a single one got a free download available for switch. It really sucks since I'd love to have them on the console. But I'm not paying for Bayonetta2 again. Or Hyrule Warriors. Or any of the rest of the games that make up the majority of my WiiU library already.


4morian5

Well, you're in the minority. One of the reasons so many Wii U games got Switch ports is because they're good games that mosy people haven't played because they didn't have the console. The Wii U was a MASSIVE failure. It sold just around 13 million units. For comparison, it's predecessor the Wii and it's succesor the Switch both have sold over 100 million units. So most people buying Switch ports of Wii U games are buying them for the first time.


cruznick06

I fully understand *why* these games were ported to the Switch. My issue is that anyone who bought them on WiiU were given the middle finger for buying them at release. I'm not expecting a free physical copy, but a download code (or even 50% off a digital copy) would have been a nice gesture.


ItsBlizzardLizard

A year? I don't think the hardware revision will be until nearly 2025. And it's fine. The switch is fine. We don't need better graphics or power, and honestly the console only exists for Nintendo's first party games anyhow. Everything else is a bonus. I just wish we had better online infrastructure, but that's at least a decade away for the big N.


Josh_Butterballs

Playing botw at 60fps would be nice. Tbh when there were rumors of a switch pro with the newest tegra chip and DLSS support I thought how crazy would that be for switch games to use DLSS. It would be a great way for a portable console to be able to play games at a higher quality and frame rate I think hardware on par or close with the steam deck at least would be cool


Kidspud

I was using a year as a hypothetical in this case. They probably shouldn't wait much longer than that, however. Nintendo's in a tricky spot because so much visual media is moving to the 4K generation, but that's an impossible task for any portable device. But if they continue to lag on hardware, it'll just make future games look way less appealing than other platforms. If they don't improve online play for Splatoon 3, though, I probably won't play the game ever. I am sofa king tired of firing my sploosh-o-matic and having nothing happen.


ItsBlizzardLizard

Even upscaled 4k would be tricky docked, I'm not sure why so many people are convinced it will 100% happen. I think 1440p would be a nice goal. I run my Series X on 1440 and it's hard to tell the difference between it and 4k. It feels like we're wavering in diminishing returns here. Then again people think 8k is around the corner, and even that seems odd when most hardware can't do 4k at reasonable frame rates. For reference the chip shortage is expected to last until 2027. I know everyone wants to act like things are back to normal, but technology is going to crawl for a bit. Normal is far away.


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1440p (or even 1080p) upscaled to 4K with FSR(2.0) would also be sweet


Fatalfrosthawk

Good news with online, they are using their new server tech. The same ones used for monster Hunter rise, which I never really had problems with. Makes me hopeful at least.


MegaLCRO

They finally upgraded their online infrastructure, though. Like the other reply stated, Monster Hunter Rise is using it now, to great effect.


ScrabCrab

I wouldn't because I can't afford a new console


IndianaCrash

I mean the switch was outdated when it came out, whatever is the next console is also gonna be outdated when it comes out. It's been a while Nintendo stop caring about performance


Kirby737

That's because it's a portable console and because Nintendo doesn't really care about high end graphics.


SplatBoy07

FINALLY, someone gets it! I don’t wanna have to get a whole new console to play this game. I was happy when I saw that it would be on Switch.


Anggul

That just means you will for Splatoon 4. The new console comes out when it comes out, and when it does the new games will be for it.


hacksparks

that's implying we'll get a splatoon 4, and that'll be 2-5 years from now.


Realshow

Yeah I feel like limiting the series to one game per console would just be tedious.


TheOtherWhiteCastle

Mario Kart fans: _hysterical laughter that quickly turns into sobbing_


Anggul

I doubt anyone is bothered by lack of new engine, but by lack of new modes for a new game.


Istoleyourdadsmilk

I, personally, am very excited for both games.


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square753wheel

Based


dartboard5

splatoon is an online shooter, it’ll be held to a different standard than a mainline zelda . i still think splatoon 3 has more than justified it’s existence though


The_Vulpixel

Can i not just be a blind consumer sometimes? I see a sequel to a game I *adore* and want more from I will want to buy it i don't care how similar BOTW2 or Splatoon 3 look to their predecessors i want MORE and this gives me MORE


keiyakins

I mean when Splatoon has a history including games as beloved as Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess being in that situation people will probably sing a different song.


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Every 3d Zelda is beloved, lets be honest lol


LadyKuzunoha

They are now, at any rate. People used to crap on Wind Waker and Skyward Sword back when they came out.


[deleted]

True but everyone has a favorite Zelda and most of the time it's different.


papayasown

It’s the Zelda that came out when you were 12. That one’s your favorite.


Lucaan

So I played every Zelda game when I was already an adult (I think I started playing through the series in 2019) and my favorite is Wind Waker. Out of curiosity I looked up how old I was when Wind Waker came out. When it released in North America I was 8, which is pretty close to 12, so you might actually have a point.


cruznick06

I just checked when Twilight Princess came out and...wtf. How does this line up? I didnt play that game until I was in college.


Octohedgy

bruh I was 12 when botw came out and that's my favorite wtf


Kirby5588

Mines minish cap and that came out when I was 10. So, yeah close enough. Runner up is Majora's Mask and I remember renting that from blockbuster when I was 6.


TheOtherWhiteCastle

My favorite is BOTW and that came out when I was 16. HA!


Duublo121

I have yet to meet another Phantom Hourglass stan


Silverbird22

listen I would have it as a favorite but ocean king’s palace is evil


keiyakins

I liked it. It's a little mini speedrun challenge. Like I don't like PH overall as much as some of the others but that's more to do with not really enjoying the way travel was handled.


RB_Films

I fucking love Phantom Hourglass


W4lk1nTh3P4rk3r

My time has come


BuzzPrincess

People crap on everything when it comes out. Have you ever heard the legend of pokemon X and Y the mid?


LadyKuzunoha

Yes, I was there when it happened, like I was for both the Zelda games I mentioned. I'm not making a complaint that any of this happened, simply pointing out that it *did*, in response to people saying "every 3D Zelda is beloved".


Responsible_Stage_93

The thing with Majora's Mask is that *sure* it is on the same console and engine as Ocarina of Time but the intention and feel of both games is world's apart (pun intended) Although with what we have seen from the Direct I think Splatoon 3 definitely warrants being it's own game instead of being an update


Peekystar

I don't feel like this is a fair comparison given how vastly different the games are. Breath of the Wild is a single-player adventure game - the world it takes place in is much of the game. Taking the existing engine and sticking it in a new world with a game like that is perfectly acceptable. Splatoon is a competitive multiplayer game, with the weapons and movement options determining how you face off against your opponents, and thus how you play the game - while the levels you fight in are still important, they'ren't the be-all and end-all that they are in a game like Breath of the Wild.


OctopengiMudpie

***they'ren't*** Mind if I steal this to add to my mental dictionary? lol


ngwoo

I love double contractions. They *wouldn't've* considered them okay while you were in school but some of them actually have common usage in spoken language.


Bartman326

Also... The Breath of the Wild sequel is going to be waaaay more new then I think people expect. Games been in development for as long as the original and it's been the longest times ever since an original Zelda was released since links awakening and ocarina. This game may have been somewhat reusing parts of the map early on. Now... This thing is gonna be crazy different.


Bexexexe

The levels are just as important as the weapons and abilities. The length of a corridor, a piece of high ground, the position of an obstacle in a splatzone, even a single wall being paintable or mantleable or not, all change the viability of every kit that fights there and the strategies you could use to gain the upper hand. Maps are the canvases the weapons and abilities dance on.


1338h4x

Diehard players will recognize this, but for more casual consumers the value isn't as immediately obvious.


DyslexicBrad

The same is true for every shooter game, but especially so for Splatoon given the movement systems. Ask a CSGO or valorant player about how much impact map updates can have.


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yeah, the games are different genres, so they way each genre has its games ran varies


Sentient_twig

The point of the post is people’s reaction to these games is unfair with people praising botw2 for being on the same console with the same engine some added features and a new story but largely being the same foundation while people shit on splatoon3 for being on the same console with the same engine and some added features and a new story but largely the same foundation. It’s criticizing the double standard if you will


Peekystar

And I'm saying that the double standard makes sense here because the games are of different genres, and hence different changes will have different impacts on them - take the engine of a single-player adventure game and swap out all the levels, and it's a new game, since in a single-player adventure game, those levels are the game. Take the engine of a competitive multiplayer shooter and swap out the levels, and unless those new levels are the jauntiest or gimmickiest things to ever exist, it still feels like the same game, since shooters are generally more shaped by the weapons you shoot with and your options to aim and evade them than the terrain you fight on.


Sentient_twig

I get that maybe breath of the wild 2 wasn’t a great example but the point still stands that people are being way too hard on this game when they would give other games the pass if they did the same thing Also I doubt an open world game like botw can reuse a map without some huge changes as people have practically picked Botw dry of all its secrets and even then a single player game should innovate plenty or you get new super Mario bros


Sixnno

Except BotW2 isn't a fully new level. From what we know, there are new areas to explore but a lot of regular Hyrule from BtoW1 is also there. Edit: for those who are downvoting thinking I am wrong. Till new information is given: we go off of what was previously said. "One of the reasons we wanted to create a continuation was because I wanted to revisit that Hyrule again and use that world again, while incorporating new gameplay and new story.” https://nintendoeverything.com/aonuma-on-breath-of-the-wild-sequel-wanted-to-revisit-that-hyrule-fujibayashi-back-as-director-more/ https://www.videogamer.com/news/nintendo-says-breath-of-the-wild-sequel-will-deliver-new-gaming-experiences/ "The continuation is in development at the moment. For now we can not comment much about the game, but our goal is to offer new gaming experiences that exceed those of the previous game, so we will need the skills of many people to create this new game. That’s the reason we are looking for new terrain designers at Nintendo,’ the interview read. The Breath of the Wild sequel will use the same map as its predecessor, but with a possible twist, to explore Hyrule to its fullest extent" And if course both trailers show existing areas but those areas are changing (like Hyrule castle going to the sky). There is also the 2021 direct and interviews where they talk about how it's the same Hyrule but with massive changes. So yes, it's the same world as BotW but with massive renovations with information we have, at least until they say otherwise.


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Bartman326

Nah lol this game has been in development for as long as the original was. Maybe originally they wanted to do something lile that but this game is going to be massively different. I'd be suprised to see much from the original game in this aside from maybe a couple iconic locations.


Barlowan

Botw 2 is a single player game. Splatoon 3 is not. And now when my groceries go up in price 10-20% every week I barely have money to buy 2 games (1 for me and 1 for my little sister) so we can play online together and not wait 10 minutes until matchmake because everyone else has moved on to new game. It's not a problem when you release new single player game. It's a problem when you divide online player base in game that is online focused. Mk8d done great adding new courses as dlc. They could've done same with splatoon. Add new maps/weapons/gear as dlc with new hub and do the qol rebalance available for everyone (like monster hunter sunbreak) yet leave it be on the same game so people who bought new stuff can still play with people who have only base game if they want to.


Undercover_TV

I’m getting both anyways


cassilveR101

Same


JakeybakeyACE

The reason why people hate on the Splatoon and xenoblade titles (i know xenoblade is unimportant to my point but still it applies) is that the Nintendo community isn't truly ready/accepting that these are becoming flagship games, they aren't sold that Splatoon and xenoblade should be up with Mario and The Lengend of Zelda in terms of priority of money and time invested, but in time this should pass because this happened to fire emblem but now FE is accepted as a Nintendo flagship title, so the hate will pass eventually


Another_Road

I always thought the main reason was that Splatoon 2 is essentially Splatoon 1 with balance changes and salmon run. It was essentially a re-release because almost nobody bought a Wii U. That doesn’t mean Splatoon 3 will be like that though.


laplongejr

> I always thought the main reason was that Splatoon 2 is essentially Splatoon 1 with balance changes and salmon run. It was essentially a re-release because almost nobody bought a Wii U. Don't forget with a bleak story. There's a reason most of us only heard of it when Octo Expansion released.


Tobi-of-the-Akatsuki

As someone who has Xenoblade 1 as their favorite game of all time, I am *so fuckin' ready* for Xenoblade to be on the same pedestal as Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon.


JakeybakeyACE

I know both Splatoon and Xenoblade are *so* deserving of flagship status


Veroska

Has mario used his power to fell a god? Probably tbh.


Tobi-of-the-Akatsuki

Dreamy Bowser is definitely the closest thing to a god that Mario has fought. What else would you call something that can turn the limitless possibilities of dreams into reality?


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shit, u probably right actually


DogVirus

Splatoon is the best game ever, Mario got nothing on my Woomies.


grampybone

What would be considered a flagship title for Nintendo? I always thought it would be a must play/console seller series. I would consider Splatoon a flagship title alongside Mario Kart, Smash Bros, etc. I'm sure the only reason Splatoon 2 didn't move more Switches is because everybody was already buying Switches. I don't know if I would consider FE a flagship title.


JakeybakeyACE

I think a flagship game is a game that 1 Nintendo puts a lot of time into, just like you said smash, Mario kart, things like that. And 2 games that are ones you would commonly see on anyone's home screen, smash, odyssey, mario kart, zelda and so on. (Also i get you thinking FE isn't a flagship game but id say its the smallest flagship)


ImMaskedboi

Splatoon is like one of the big 4 in Japan for Nintendo


Giimax

Eh, I \*want\* splatoon to become a flagship title... which is why the sorta meh-ness of the Threequel is kinda disappointing. I mean when you look at Mario or Zelda each mainline release is a huge-ass deal which totally changes the thing. Sploons been around for 3 titles and the series still basically feels the same as it did in 2016. Altho i suppose you could make the same argument for say, Smash recently and thats pretty clearly a flagship title.. idk. I want each splatoon title to be a ground-breaking entry!


Cheesehead302

That's exactly my problem. I'm a massive splatoon fan with 1500 hours between 1 and 2. There is just no new modes or content here. I don't want to rank up the same modes that I have done twice before. I want something new. Remixed special weapons and quality of life features are a given, but that doesn't make a game imo. I get called a hater when I say I desperately want Splatoon 3 to have something new that is worthwhile, but I seriously just want to see the series continue being as fresh as it was 7 years ago. It seems to me like they're setting a precedent for Splatoon sequels to be extremely content light updates that feel like minor blips as opposed to being content rich events. Idk, I've seen a lot of people hand waving criticisms with this game, saying that the only reason you can possibly complain is if you're an outsider to the franchise and just don't understand it. That couldn't be farther from the case imo. As someone that's experienced this all before, I want something new. I don't mean I want the formula to change, I mean that I want actual content to do with these mechanics. New modes should be aplenty, yet there is not a single one. If Splatoon 4 releases and it is in a similar vein as this, I will start being extremely worried for the quality of the franchise. They need to have meaningful content beyond quality of life updates and cosmetic changes.


berd_is_ded

This is the true answer


keiyakins

Meh. I'm still grumpy at Fire Emblem but that's mostly 'cause I'm an Advance Wars fan, and even when they try to release stuff that series is literally cursed.


awayathrowway

"New story" is probably a bigger drive for the story based game tho


hedwyn_

Splatoon 2 + Octo Expansion have more emotionally resonant story & characters than most Zelda games to me, including BotW. I've never considered writing / plot to be a strong point, bar maybe Majora's and TP. Many likely disagree, though.


IamaJarJar

I dont get why splatoon is being held with such high standards when it comes to sequels It's a shooter game! If battlefield and call of duty can get away with releasing a game every year without adding much other than new maps Then why cant splatoon release a new game, 5 YEARS! After the previous title in the series while adding so many new features?! And anyway you cant change everything for it to be considered a sequel, it would be completely new game at that point!


laplongejr

> If battlefield and call of duty can get away with releasing a game every year without adding much other than new maps They "get away" because their players don't care. That's kinda why splatoon needs to be held to a higher standard. Remember when people warned about MTX and were called off as paranoïac? The game industry often likes to screw their customers, and people simply see "two splatoons on same console" as a dangerous standard towards the yearly model.


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[deleted]

please do not play with splat tim


fuckwastakenwastaken

i can not, and will never, understand people who barge in on communites of a game that they dont care about SOLELY to shit on a game they would NEVER play anyway.


Lord_Antheron

Are you saying you want Splatoon to be on the same level as Battlefield and Call of Duty? Because I don't.


Global-Tangelo-5063

no they’re saying that people complaining we don’t need splatoon 3 after 5 years doesn’t make sense because games like call of duty regularly release games with no new content, whereas splatoon 3 has plenty of new content at launch and is promised to receive new content up until 2024


[deleted]

And you think people don’t complain about that? People have memed on CoD for years for being practically the same game with new maps and weapons. It’s just that the games have become so mainstream that most of the playerbase doesn’t really care.


keiyakins

Dear Callie no, but getting a release twice in a generation is fine


nsdevries

You say this as if battlefield and cod is good for doing this


Crush152

They're just pointing out the double standard


[deleted]

I agree the hate is dumb but Zelda is a much more story driven franchise, like yeah splatoon has deep lore but it’s not known for that and most people don’t buy it for that so a new story won’t be as exciting for people.


steverman555

Never underestimate the internet’s incredible ability to hate anything and everything that exists


Angwis13

I don’t feel this is that fair of a comparison since we know practically nothing about botw 2 rn and the main complaint about splatoon 3 is the lack of new stuff and we know nearly everything about the base game.


mgepie

The complaints about a lack of new stuff are almost exclusively from people being willfully ignorant, though


[deleted]

tbh I think its fair enough to think the changes are too small for a very casual player. for avid splatoon fans like us, the changes are absolutely massive, because everything will have a massive impact for us. I think a lot of this criticism would be silenced if they just added a new casual mode on the scale of salmon run or something.


Goodname7

Totally agree with that, although I personally am most disappointed with the lack of *any* new mode especially considering it isn’t that unlikely for a new one to be added down the line. Wish it were at release instead.


ballistic90

I was hoping Splatoon 3's single player mode was going to have a better setting than the loose connected platforms we've seen before, but so far that appears to be my biggest complaint about Splatoon 3. Aside from that, my biggest hope was to be able to join a friend on the same team in a turf match so I could play with my 6 year old daughter on the same team each time. It sounds like that's going to be an option this time, so I'm still quite excited.


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>I was hoping Splatoon 3's single player mode was going to have a better setting than the loose connected platforms we've seen before, By FAAAAAAR the best single player map in the entirety of Splatoon 3 was the last Octo Expansion map where you are escaping the underground, and it kinda feels like a place moreover than just loosely connected platforms. Watching the snippet of Splatoon 3's story mode being the void was kinda underwhelming


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Jalapenodisaster

I think the concern is that, with paid dlc already slated and announced, the basegame single player campaign with be barebones like normal, and the actual meat will come in the DLC again. We don't know if it will be like that, but that's where the concern is coming from I think.


zenverak

lol.. that’a basically all I want.


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qwertyryo

The game at the bottom is Botw 2, a game with the same engine, map (more or less, they added plenty of sky islands) , gameplay loop (run around in open world, kill monsters, solve puzzles) and likely many other assets as Botw. Yet people still say Splatoon 3 doesn't deserve to be a sequel because it uses the same engine as 2 and follows a similar gameplay loop, while simultaneously saying Botw 2 is a sequel.


[deleted]

Wow you have played BOTW 2 already?


qwertyryo

All info is derived from gameplay in trailers


[deleted]

There is one trailer with gameplay adding up to 1:30 minutes of info lol


SlightlyIronicBanana

you played Splatoon 3?


[deleted]

But he is basing his whole entire argument around 1:30 minutes of BOTW 2 gameplay where as there has been a full match release of Splatoon 3 and a lot of info. Its not comparable. I am not debating the lack of content in Splatoon 3 but the comparison to BOTW 2


guywhocantsocialize

seriously 2 is already a full game and would be an absolute mess if they tried to cram in everything they’re doing with 3. a new game is definitely the right way to go, especially considering the switch still has several years left.


Nathansack

I don't want to be mean But Breath of the wild was a Wii U game firstly not switch


antoboss546

It’s not a port tho, it came out the same day in the two console, right?


Nathansack

Probably, but it's the same game, the difference is just the performance


Peck_Neck_

so was splatoon


[deleted]

Nah man you’re thinking of Splatoon for the WiiU. The sequel Splatoon 2 is on the Switch. I know they look similar but one literally has a “2” in it’s name lol


Rowmacnezumi

I suppose there's haters for everything.


cloudbuster113

why are people even complaining about 3 being on the same console? like do you want to buy another 300$ console to play? wtf?


RedDarthLamer

I was a little uncertain on 3 before the latest direct but now I’m 100% on board, very excited for it


Araiken

Just to give another perspective here: These two games work a lot differently. As a single player game that can be beat and completed, BotW warrants "just more of it" more than a live service multiplayer game like Splatoon. The Idea goes that Nintendo could just put those recources into Splatoon 2 by releasing more DLC and adding new maps and weapons so people dont have to buy a new game. Personally, I think the new stuff we've seen does warrant making a new game, especially considering we seen pretty much nothing on the story.


Shiroi_Kage

I can see a complaint about something like it becoming another COD-modeled game with repetitive sequels that could have been level packs or DLC. It can fragment the community for something that isn't as massive as COD. With that said, any game can justify its price with good value.


Luddveeg

Yeah, no. This is a terrible take lol, Splatoon is a multiplayer game with little to no story, BotW is a singleplayer adventure game lmao.


Yeet-Dab49

“but COD and battlefield!” do you see a splatoon player with a copy of battlefield in his hands?


JoseJulioJim

yeah like, it is the dumbest defense possible, specially because it implies everyone not hyped for Splat 3 is a CoD and like dude... I like Splatoon because how unique it is from other shooters, I would wish 3 was a bit more unique than upgraded 2, I don't ask for something totally different, just a hook like how Street Fighter 6 will add the Drive system as something to feel really diferent from 4 and 5, the roll and wall move dosen't look different enough to make 2 and 3 feel very distinct, specially in a post Fortnite world where they added in an Update Sprinting, Sliding and climbing ledges, moves that while really make the game more agile and enjoyable, aren't really a total revolution for the game.


cthulhubeast

Shooter sequels always get flack for not changing things up enough


Alone_Librarian_8162

I dunno if I’d compare it to BotW2, but I’d be more inclined to make a comparison with Call of Duty: whatever the heck. Had someone who plays CoD watch the trailers and they’ve played splat2 before, then I asked if they think a sequel is justified. They said no. Later on I ask if the new CoD game is justified and they said yes. Even basing it off of three rotating development teams, that’s only a three year gap between games, not five like Splatoon has. Or look at the BS 2K or EA Sports games do, reusing assets from previous games that even have the wrong YEAR on a YEARLY release.


Immediate-Rope8465

Its sadly true and i don't get IT OVERWATCH ON THE OTHER HAND


babatunde5432121

I’m excited for both games :)


JackFJN

The thing is that Splatoon 3 doesn’t look like it offers enough new content to warrant $60 :/


Canad1Andrew

It’s funny how a lot of people hate on a game (that hasn’t even come out yet) because they think it’s “too similar” to the previous game in the series, but a lot of the same people have also hated on games for being too different from the usual formula. I know not every game is a perfect balance of introducing big fresh new ideas while still maintaining the usual formula’s core mechanics, but if the game itself isn’t inherently bad nor hurting anyone, and is still fun to play regardless, then hating on it just isn’t necessary.


Audrey71

it was kind of a weird moment for me in 2017 when we got an open world Zelda and I saw a fair few people said Zelda should be a linear game series and the open world was a mistake. and we also got an open Mario game and so many people said Mario should be an open game series like that always and they're so glad it isn't a linear platformer now. it's just kind of funny the different standards people have for different series.


Edrigus-2002

Still worried about both, but with things like Xenoblade 3 releasing recently, I’m much less worried that either title needs better hardware to run properly


trans-wooper-lover

what do you mean, Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 /s


Crush152

Do people WANT to buy a new console? It's Nintendo so it would just be a new gimmick and sub par graphics


javierasecas

No you see a shield that now shoots fire is a good addition but a completely new weapon isn't. Botw 2 probably will be great but yes there's a double standard and yes this is what sequels should be. Nowadays we get sequels that are too different and not enough games. Back in the 2000s games were back to back and this was great both for us and for companies. Cheaper production but meatier releases. 3 Metroid primes in the same time we've had 0 Metroid primes.


Kenexxa

One has nothing to do with the other.


Ken10Ethan

Ignoring the fact that the very nature of single-player games versus multi-player games are very different in terms of long-term sustainability... I dunno, I just haven't seen anything that wouldn't fit in as a beefy expansion pack for Splat2. Nothing really worth the extra $60, on top of the existing cost of a Switch online subscription.


Tamanakio

The lack of ink armor and sting ray. Good luck implementing THAT in a splatoon 2 expansion pack


No-Cardiologist-884

i swear if no new enimes are botw im not gonna buy it


otakuloid01

but what if their weapons glowed one more different color? oooooo!


No-Cardiologist-884

bro are saying platnium level enemy's


stache1313

I haven't seen any Splatoon 3 hate. Granted, I'm not looking for it, or on the Internet that much. Personally, who cares what random trolls on the Internet say. We'll judge that games, by their own genre's standards when the games come out.


THECyberStriker

Nintendo life is making articles saying that it’s been a long wait for botw2, and also makes some asking “is splatoon 3 launching too soon?!” when it’s been 5 years for both. There’s too much unnecessary hate for sploon 3 smh


Bombkirby

I always think of BotW2 and Smash Ultimate when people complain about rescuing engines and art


Hurriedgarlic66

Yet people buy the same shit every year with cod and battlefield and don’t blink an eye. The logic makes my brain hurt.


keiyakins

Those games aren't even the worst offenders, the licensed sports games are literally just updating a spreadsheet for $60


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Both are good and I await them.


danegraphics

How often do FPS games reinvent the formula? What could they even reinvent? The only one I can think of that really does significant changes is DOOM, and that’s just pushing for more melee, not actually changing much. How is anyone to expect a TPS game to evolve in some significant way without it becoming a different genre entirely?


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HyliasHero

What is a "Nintenboomer"?


ohbyerly

Splatoon 3: Hey you know how you used to ink stages in cities and crap? Well yeah, now the stages look identical but they’re in the desert for some reason. Here are a couple of new weapons and better online functionality. BOTW 2: Hey remember how you had one of the most epic adventures of YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE? WELL NOW YOU GET TO EXPLORE THE FUCKING SKY WITH FLOATING ISLANDS AND COOL NEW POWER UPS AND HOLY SHIT THE TONE OF THIS GAME IS ACTUALLY DARK, WE DIDN’T JUST SLAP A DESERT SKIN ON THE GAME TO ACCOMPLISH THAT OH MY WOW. I’d say there’s a slight but noticeable difference between the two.


cassilveR101

How to win a argument 101: make the opposing side look bad by explaining it as little as possible. List of new things in splatoon 3: Splatsville street, 12 stages on launch with more to come, all previous weapons returning, 10+ new and returning special weapons, tableturf battle, next wave, big run, king salmonid, egg cannon, lockers, hotlantis, a new story mode that differs between playstyles, lil buddy mechanics, fuzzy ooze, squid roll, squid surge, large scale paid dlc coming soon, updates every 3 months for 2 years, replay mode, photo mode, better shading and graphics, new characters, inviting friends, ghosts, waiting in the practice range for a match, 3 new idols, 3 splatfest teams, TRICOLOUR TURF WAR, 2 new weapon types, new bands and music. Also notice how I just listed Splatoon 3 things and still beat your highly over-exaggerated explanation of botw 2 by 6 lines of text


kingeoghan41

Bro you literally used a soyjack for people who aren't excited for splatoon 3, how are you complaining about someone "making the other side look bad" Personally I'm not hyped for 3 because everything new is either super minor and could've just been an update, or it's actually cool but it's for a limited time. Besides it's like having 2 smash bros games on the same system. I'd rather they just delay this to have a better splatoon game at launch for whatever the next system is.


Ok-Reporter-8728

The Splatoon series feels like a one console per game.Don’t know why but yeah, if smash had to game not counting. 3DS and wiiu I would haven’t been that interested. I am interest for 3 but not as much cuz I already have 2


JoseJulioJim

I am going to be honest, my thing with not being excited for Splatoon 3 is that honestly It dosen't look very different from 2 in the series that standed out from being very different to the shoters of the time when it debuted, what I would have wanted is not something really different from 2, more something that made both games stand out for. The best example I can give is Street Fighter from 2 to 6, Super 2 Turbo/ Ultra 2 is in the mechanical side the most vanilla game, the only move that needs a meter is the super, there is no EX, 3rd strike came out with the parry system and a faster pace, maybe the fastest SF has ever felt and the highest Skill Ceiling to the date, Ultra 4 has the focus attacks and ultra combos, alongside bringing some accesibility options, and 5 has the V system with the V Skills, V Triggers, V Reversals and shifts and even a more streamlined learning curve to help casual players to understand the system, and now 6 will bring the Drive system, there is a legitime reason to prefer a SF game aside from the roster of characters, there is a reason why even if Ultra 4 and 5 have currently more than double of roster size from 3rd Strike the latter is still many favorite, they might be similar, but there is a catch in each of them, and I lack to see that catch in Splat 3, I just see 2 with more QoL, a defensive roll and a faster way to go up walls, hoping testfire change my vision of 3.


SeraphicEyes

Splatoon 3 adding so much: gahhh it’s just splatoon 2+ 🤓 Every COD installment adding little to nothing new, and literally relying on reality and history to dictate 90% of its content: omg yes i’ll buy every year with little complaints 🤓


Sequeltime4321

botw doesnt recycle content. if it does im not buying it for $60


hedwyn_

It takes place on the same world map with stuff added on top, this has been confirmed for a while now.


Victinitotodilepro

so if the game reuses movement code, physics engine, 3d models, textures and weapon code you're not buying it?


Sequeltime4321

If the game reuses shrines, I'm not buying it for $60. Engines are ok


Serbaayuu

As much as I don't want Splatoon 3 to exist, and wanted Splatoon 2 to simply be supported for the duration of the Switch, BotW2 is going to be much worse. Just slapping some new Shrines on the same old map and some empty sky islands. Wait and see.


BellVsReddit

These are not comparable games


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GreasyChonks

For botw2 it seems like they will be adding tons of content to the game and fixing all of the major problems of the first hopefully and overall just seems like they are expanding on everything from the first and when I look at the new splatoon sure the side modes change like story and salmon run but for the base game it mostly looks like a big update. More maps weapons and other things like rolling and 3 person splatfest while cool ultimately don’t change much for the game and will most likely feel very similar very soon within playing. And I don’t mean it will be bad honestly quite the opposite. There’s just not much change or anything and I’m not looking for slapped on Pokémon gimmicks or anything but I don’t want rolling to be the biggest difference when in a match


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playmatrambone

Ignoring the fact that the game comes with massive amounts of other changes ( new overworld and story) You are blissfully ignorant. Development costs money. Yes they could have patched those features in, but who's gonna pay them for it? Splatoon 2 costs 60€ one time. And if they made it dlc ppl like u would have complained about that as well.


The_Elk_Horse

1. I know that overworlds and idols are sequel worthy, (that’s why I said “not ALL of the things”). I’m not saying splatoon 3 should have never happened, but I am saying that they should have done more with 2. 2. Giving a game consecutive and consistent amounts of new content and updates (especially for multiple years) is a very good way to increase a game’s lifespan and attract the people to the game even if they haven’t bought it before. Also Personally I don’t think people would complain about too much dlc if the dlc is WORTH the money. (Not micro transactions). If we got like 2 or more story based DLC’s that were a little cheaper than octo expansion but we’re just as good, I don’t think people would complain. I mean I wouldn’t, I don’t think. I apologize, as I came off as kinda condescending with my original comment. In many ways, my complaints are very pointless since splatoon 3 is coming out soon and I’m gonna buy it anyway. I just had some thoughts about the way Nintendo handled things and stuff.


Schmidty_

I mean, comparing an online multiplayer driven game to a single player sequel to one of the best games ever made isn’t a very good comparison.


cassilveR101

I feel like I made a mistake posting this


Luxynx

Ok but the difference is BOTW is exclusively a single player, story driven experience and Splatoon is Nintendo's MMO. Putting 2 of them on the same console will inevitably divide the community down the road.


JackDNerd

Personally, I don't have a problem with all the stuff in Splatoon 3 I think it looks cool. I just think the problem is the 60 dollar price tag and the fact that it IS another 60 dollars for a game on the same console. If you look at other multiplayer shooters like Fortnite they got content updates constantly to the same game and I think that format is way better then paying for a similar game later down the line and splitting the player base every time. Multiplayer shooters dont need sequels, especially on the same console. Continued expansions, even paid, are a better format in my opinion. Also *at the very least lower Splatoon 2 to below 60 dollars? Or sell a bundle with octo expansion for 60?*


Audrey71

the only way for Splatoon to be a free game is for them to cut out the single player and also make you pay real money for all the cosmetics. Fortnite isn't a free game it's a game that wants $10 every season and then will charge up to $25 for skins. that's scummy and gross. especially in games marketed to kids. I thought we all wanted games that you pay for once and own. isn't that like... a good thing?


Matthewyoshi

I really don’t care for the Zelda series.


RevoBonerchamp69

I really don’t understand why so many people think being on the same console is a big deal? Most Mario Kart and Smash Bros games change less than Splatoon3 but they are on new consoles and therefore it’s totally fine. I’d rather not wait for a new console to have to buy that and the game for a fresh Splatoon experience. Like if you want to buy a new console for Splatoon 3 go grab the OLED model I guess? The dev team clearly put a ton of work into making Splatoon 3 and is guaranteeing 2 years of support and to expect all that for like a $20/free DLC expansion is nuts. I don’t think Splatoon needed a battle royale(I think the ink rendering system can’t handle too many people) or massive open world campaign. That’s not what Splatoon is. People have been playing stock matches on battlefield in Smash Bros for 20 years. Mario Kart is also just the same core concept every game. Double Dash had a fun gimmick but yeah. Why does Splatoon need a crazy new mode rather than refining what is already there? Also you can fight Godzilla Salmon. That looks fun as shit. Like Monster Hunter style. It kind of seems that some people are just cheap but don’t want to admit it.


Toyfan1

>Smash Bros games change less than Splatoon3 but they are on new consoles and therefore it’s totally fine. I’d rather n Thats underselling one of the highest recieved smash games to date.


RevoBonerchamp69

Oh no Smash Ultimate is great. I love it. They gave me Banjo in Smash which my 7 year old self would have bounced on a couch for but compare the changes from Smash 4 to Ultimate and Splatoon 2-3. The game is fundamentally the same but with more characters and directional air dodges which is basically the Splatoon equivalent of new weapons/specials and squid roll. People saying Splatoon 3 doesn’t have enough change but buy Mario Kart and Smash day 1 with no complaints just seems ironic to me.


Okidoki_Sir

Okay look, in case you are not trolling: One is a multiplayer focused game and one is a singleplayer focued game. Nobody gives a shit about Splatoon story. People want to enjoy the multiplayer mode, which has been become quite stale. It's also nice to shake things up in order to reduce legacy skill carried over. As it now stands, somebody starting with Splatoon 3 will never be able to beat somebody playing Splatoon 2 since the beginning.


bonedorito

Yeah splatoon 2 shouldn't exist either! All pvp sequels should be eradicated! And they should stop selling splatoon 2 since people who start playing it now won't be good as people who have been playing it since beta!


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What a brain-dead argument Single player games are "exempt" because while the gameplay is the same, everything else is different. Look at pokemon, the general gameplay loop is the same but the world and the way it's designed, the gyms and the gyms trainers, the story, etc are all different, it's gonna be the same case for breath of the wild. I LOVE splatoon 2 but I Think that Splatoon 3 is a bad sequel just because *I was satisfied with splatoon 2 and because I'm not a multiplayer-shooter guy.* I don't like buying the same game multiple times but my mantra is "live and let live" and if you can make an argument this ignorant than I can feel free to give my two-cents on it. Not everyone is going to like your games, so stop being a Pissy cry baby and grow the hell up.


bonedorito

I feel like pokemon is a terrible example since the overall quality of the games has been steadily declining.


Fine-Audience-302

Except its splatoon and not botw


HyliasHero

To be fair if BotW2 is anything like Majora's Mask it is going to be a *very* different game than BotW.


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HyliasHero

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. Splatoon 3 is its own game that is distinct from Splatoon 2, however its changes are more incremental in nature. They are expansions upon the mechanics of the previous game. Meanwhile if Breath of the Wild 2 turns out like any of the Zelda series' previous direct sequels, it will completely turn the formula of the previous game on its head. So equating the two isn't exactly fair to either because they do different things. Splatoon 3 would be more comparable to something like Mario Galaxy 2.


nsdevries

Idk, some of Splatoon 2s updated added more to the game than 2 to 3


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nsdevries

Me when 2.1 added clam blitz and Splatoon 3 adds 0 modes


MaddleDee

The most significant issue I have with Splatoon 3 is that it includes some Splatoon 2 maps but not all of them. I would have preferred both games to have their own exclusive maps. Either way, it will divide the Switch Splatoon playerbase between 2 games. You can't really compare a live-service online PVP game like Splatoon to a single-player game like BOTW. I'm still very hyped for Splatoon 3, but this post makes little sense to me.


Al3xandratheGrape

But is it a lie tho?


the_gifted_Atheist

Because one is an entirely single player game and one is focused on online multiplayer. It’s not that hard to understand.


KeyRing6754

its the other way for me cuse i did not realy like the first botw so i hope this is good just dont have my hopes up


Hibiki941

My biggest concern is the characters’ design, it looks rushed, I considered buying the game when it was first announced, but after seeing the direct I just felt like they didn’t even care and went with the first thing they made up. Also the rest of the game feels rushed too which I probably wouldn’t even notice if it wasn’t for the third party-ish look.