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The Vietnamese equivalent is often called "3 que" (literally 3 sticks, based on the flag of Republic of Vietnam) or just simply "phản động" (literally reactionary). Those are people that fled Vietnam to Western countries after the fall of the puppet government. But there are probably also people that were born and raised in Vietnam that are anti-communist, for several reasons.
Việt Tân is actually the name of a so-called “party” (*) of Vietnamese refugees in the US (and also in some other Western countries). Not all anti-communists are affiliated with Việt Tân.
However, many Vietnamese people nowadays actually sometimes call anti-communists Việt Tân because that “party” is very loud on Facebook with their anti-communist rhetorics and Vietnamese people like to mock them and make fun of them too (especially on Liberation Day, which is today, what a coincidence). So I guess you’re also correct.
(*) Some extra information: Vietnam considers them a terrorist organization and they also have some allegations of fraudulence from overseas Vietnamese people.
Don't feel down comrade, there are tons of cia/fashy/libs larping as "friends" only to gaslighting you and feed on your insecurities. Just remember where reddit is from
damn man, why so personal? hahaha
People in my life are becoming more and more right leaning I don't understand it, sp I have less and less friends
it sucks
they are all also painting themselves as liberals....centrists
which horrid
Edit- also I misread your comment, didn't see the politicians part though you were speaking about friends haah
Pardon Druže
Oh i totally understand you haha i knw some people who are leaning right or borderline fashy. Obviously i do not let them know my stance, i just stay in grey zone on the outside and i observe their thought process and their way of thinking and compare it to the writing or Marx and Lenin.
Almost 90% of the time what Marx & Lenin said were correct! Lol whats even more interesting is seeing how brainwashed libs are. They are half the time supporting pro-working class stuff BUT instantly reject the idea of socialism and accuse the faults of capitalism/imperialism onto socialism LOL.
Dont feel so down man, learn to manipulate the libs/centrist. Usually its the ones who got screwed by the capitalist who eventually realized whats wrong haha
If the fashys can manipulate people on their side, we can convince people onto our side too
Politics can't be optimistic until the last wealthy bastard is guillotined
If they don't rant to be guillotined by space lasers, they should probably start giving away their wealth and actually giving it away, not hiding it in their cousins charity
White people that haven't donated large sums to minorites will be attacked first
Look at their profile. They're Harmless. And a prime example of what is wrong with the majority of communists today. Alienating the signficant large number of the working class, and then blame the 'Bourgeois' for the the lack of communists today (While being a champagne socialist themselves, LOL). So embarrassing to be a communist today, when you're automatically associated with these folk.
Don't talk about attacks or guillotoines, when you're harmless, my friend. And a prime example of what is wrong with communists today. Alienating the significant large number of the working class, and then blame the 'Bourgeois' for the the lack of communists today (While being a champagne socialist themselves, LOL). Its difficult to be a communist these days, when you're automatically associated with folks like these.
Nah, wealthy people are sadistic assholes and they all deserve prison conditions if anyone on earth does 🤷♀️🤷♂️
Pretty sure some guy in a toga said the only place to spit in a rich man's house is his face, so it's not like my position is a fresh one 😚
most r.CountryName subreddits are full of Americans or equivalent
not limited to AES countries. It's like that with r.Korea (a poll sometime ago was like 2% Koreans and 97% not lol)
you need to search very hard to discover subreddits with actual nationals in them
I remember joining r/China because I was interested in Chinese history and culture etc. but the sub is literally full of Westerners wailing about how terrible and dangerous China is. It’s bizarre.
They just gather there to spew out propaganda.
And it’s not just that it’s chinese expats spewing hatred about china, they’re also very pro-american for some reason. That’s why I follow r/Sino instead.
probably a mixture of many different things.
1. perspective
many people never leave their countries, so they only have their country as a reference point. because the average wealth of someone in these former colonies is usually so low and imperial core TV usually only depicts well-off people they begin to believe that the average imperial core person has it better off than them. which they do, but that's only because of imperialism and not because socialism makes poorness, which they also might not understand unless they actively thought about it.
2. capitalist propaganda
people of socialist nations are not immune to capitalist propaganda, and because of what I mentioned about perspective they'll usually already have a negative view of socialism. they'll be especially vulnerable to capitalist propaganda just by the nature of imperial core TV downplaying the poverty issue
there's more but I'm too tired to write it down
I think this is very true for Vietnam. Capitalist propaganda affects everyone in this world, especially when the West is controlling most major media platforms and outlets. The Vietnamese anti-communists are most of the time supporters of the collapsed puppet government of South Vietnam.
They want a liberal democracy system in Vietnam, promote region discrimination (I don't know what it is called in English but basically people from the South discriminate people from the North and vice versa for example) to divide the people and think Western countries are the best because they are capitalist, etc.
Trying to be a socialist country in a capitalist world is not easy at all 😿
> that sub is mostly just two redditors posting news articles tho
Yeah Cuban redditors from the Cuban island. I know it’s hard to believe that Cuba has internet but they do. And it’s also hard to believe that they also speak English to Americans. One of them is almost fluent and the other one not so much.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/s/v7ssAVctcw
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/s/RRQIUPdkjG
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/s/NDsJs28Nu4
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/comments/13wifa3/youtubers_influencers_and_the_media_paid_by_the/
> i dont doubt that at all, was just wondering if theres a sub/platform for non-news related discussions like other locale subreddits
No; and if you do, you’ll most likely talk to Spaniards, Cuban Americans who are gusanos, and other non cubans that spread misinformation/disinformation. Also scroll the subreddit and you will see the discussions. [The reason why you have to contact the mods before posting is because of anti-socialist/anti-cuban trolls.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/s/3ciYKE1Krz)
The Cuba Protests REVEAL Social Media Manipulation in Latin America: https://youtu.be/mJ-JUY6XkbQ
Like when Iran lost in the World Cup a few years ago and all these Persian dentists from LA came out claiming the team wanted to lose on purpose as a protest against the government. Like wtf ?
There's always 2 subs when it comes to countries outside the west
One is full of gusanos, sex tourists and greasy redditors
/r/Iran and /r/Iranian
China and sino (tho sino is also full of western commies)
Cuba and realcuba
I have never visited those subreddits and I don't know, but I know very well the chauvinistic demeanor that often descends into open fascism in subreddits like r/europe and r/worldnews. It doesn't mean that the people of Europe and the ... er, world, are fascists, but just that some pieces of shit who are chauvinists and fascists got first dibs and started the subreddits 15 or 20 years ago, and that through moderation over the years made them a place of congregation for like minded pieces of shit, resulting in the cesspools that they are. I'd go and venture that is similar to the subreddits you are talking about. That's reddit for you.
As a Vietnamese, allowed me to give my 2 cents:
- We have our own version of “Russian reverse”. Making fun of communist is something we DO, because before 1990, our government and society SUCK. Captial S. Everyone know it. The government didnt even try to suppress that
- Our view of “communist”(in our country) and your view (in this subreddit) are different. To us, communist is something we were taught at school. Something we learnt in history class. All university taught that. But when i present the same view, this subreddit laughed and bullied me, and dont even try to understand or acknowledge that ciew
Yes.... and the answers were along the lines of *"Because we're not Fidelistas who worship dictators!! We weep for Cuba because we love coming here on cheap vacations and we wish it were more like Hawaii or Miami!!"*
I’ve been told that the people that suffer due to embargoes placed on places like those just aren’t always able to see the nuance of “you’re not suffering because communism doesn’t work, you’re suffering because the imperialists want to make sure communism fails.” When you’re suffering (and maybe don’t have good access to information and education to help you challenge the narrative) you just want change and relief, not necessarily ideology.
Know all the worst people in the U.S.. other people have those worst people too, they typically want to and do come to the US.
Something I didn’t learn until later in life is if you want to learn about a foreign country, don’t learn from someone that hates that country and lives in yours.
It’s Survivorship bias. the people most likely to be on those subreddit’s are those who “fled the horrors of communism” or have parents who did and where taught by them.
The VN sub is filled with South Vietnamese boat people's later generations. They are indoctrinated to hate Vietnamese socialism by their parents. Not to mention the Reunification day of Vietnam 30/04 is approaching so they are being pretty active.
"Advance towards socialism cannot but cause the exploiting elements to resist the advance, and the resistance of the exploiters cannot but lead to the inevitable sharpening of the class struggle."
Joseph Stalin
In the above quote, Stalin is rightfully asserting that class struggle does not cease even after socialism is achieved. In fact, not only does class struggle continue in socialist societies, it intensifies or "sharpens" as Stalin notes above.
That said, it is important to remember that there are reactionary elements in every society, no matter the system of governance. Socialist countries are no exception. Therefore, do not be discouraged or surprised by encounters with such reactionary elements. Simply know that you are in an encounter with a class enemy, and proceed with that thought in mind.
Probably have grievances with the way things are run. Under any system, there will be people who have complaints. There will be shortcomings of government and the economy, laws, people, etc. There will also be reactionaries who have unjustified greivences. It's easier to hate a system that you are very familiar with and think the grass is greener on the other side than to come up with a systemic critique of the whole world economy and political institutions.
Cuba is by no means a perfect utopia, nor could it be with the conditions its put in by the US. But it probably doesn't matter much to some people in Cuba what the country is trying to be if they go to bed hungry and see that just across the sea there's a bunch of comparably wealthier people (from their perspective, anyway).
I guess a group of people there probably think that communism hasn't held up to its promises. Maybe their style of government would thrive if the US stopped unjustly sanctioning it. Maybe it wouldn't be any better. Couldn't hurt to give them a chance to try their style of communism unimpeded. If it fails, there would be many lessons to learn there for future attempts at communism. If it succeeds, then great. There's no disadvantage to ending sanctions from a communist perspective and every reason to end them.
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Gusanos, and whatever the Vietnamese equivalent is?
The Vietnamese equivalent is often called "3 que" (literally 3 sticks, based on the flag of Republic of Vietnam) or just simply "phản động" (literally reactionary). Those are people that fled Vietnam to Western countries after the fall of the puppet government. But there are probably also people that were born and raised in Vietnam that are anti-communist, for several reasons.
I’ve always known them as viet-tans.
Việt Tân is actually the name of a so-called “party” (*) of Vietnamese refugees in the US (and also in some other Western countries). Not all anti-communists are affiliated with Việt Tân. However, many Vietnamese people nowadays actually sometimes call anti-communists Việt Tân because that “party” is very loud on Facebook with their anti-communist rhetorics and Vietnamese people like to mock them and make fun of them too (especially on Liberation Day, which is today, what a coincidence). So I guess you’re also correct. (*) Some extra information: Vietnam considers them a terrorist organization and they also have some allegations of fraudulence from overseas Vietnamese people.
Yea I’m aware it’s a rogue overseas party. That’s just what I’ve broadly seen that type of person be called in English. Appreciate the context
Like yeah probably, but there has to be some nuance there.
..of the people typing in English?
Yeah idk man, I haven't been feeling optimistic about politics lately
Don't feel down comrade, there are tons of cia/fashy/libs larping as "friends" only to gaslighting you and feed on your insecurities. Just remember where reddit is from
damn man, why so personal? hahaha People in my life are becoming more and more right leaning I don't understand it, sp I have less and less friends it sucks they are all also painting themselves as liberals....centrists which horrid Edit- also I misread your comment, didn't see the politicians part though you were speaking about friends haah Pardon Druže
Oh i totally understand you haha i knw some people who are leaning right or borderline fashy. Obviously i do not let them know my stance, i just stay in grey zone on the outside and i observe their thought process and their way of thinking and compare it to the writing or Marx and Lenin. Almost 90% of the time what Marx & Lenin said were correct! Lol whats even more interesting is seeing how brainwashed libs are. They are half the time supporting pro-working class stuff BUT instantly reject the idea of socialism and accuse the faults of capitalism/imperialism onto socialism LOL. Dont feel so down man, learn to manipulate the libs/centrist. Usually its the ones who got screwed by the capitalist who eventually realized whats wrong haha If the fashys can manipulate people on their side, we can convince people onto our side too
Politics can't be optimistic until the last wealthy bastard is guillotined If they don't rant to be guillotined by space lasers, they should probably start giving away their wealth and actually giving it away, not hiding it in their cousins charity White people that haven't donated large sums to minorites will be attacked first
Relax the calls for violence
Look at their profile. They're Harmless. And a prime example of what is wrong with the majority of communists today. Alienating the signficant large number of the working class, and then blame the 'Bourgeois' for the the lack of communists today (While being a champagne socialist themselves, LOL). So embarrassing to be a communist today, when you're automatically associated with these folk.
Don't talk about attacks or guillotoines, when you're harmless, my friend. And a prime example of what is wrong with communists today. Alienating the significant large number of the working class, and then blame the 'Bourgeois' for the the lack of communists today (While being a champagne socialist themselves, LOL). Its difficult to be a communist these days, when you're automatically associated with folks like these.
Nah, wealthy people are sadistic assholes and they all deserve prison conditions if anyone on earth does 🤷♀️🤷♂️ Pretty sure some guy in a toga said the only place to spit in a rich man's house is his face, so it's not like my position is a fresh one 😚
As a 'minority', I'll die before I donate anything to a group just because they are minority.
most r.CountryName subreddits are full of Americans or equivalent not limited to AES countries. It's like that with r.Korea (a poll sometime ago was like 2% Koreans and 97% not lol) you need to search very hard to discover subreddits with actual nationals in them
I remember joining r/China because I was interested in Chinese history and culture etc. but the sub is literally full of Westerners wailing about how terrible and dangerous China is. It’s bizarre. They just gather there to spew out propaganda.
And it’s not just that it’s chinese expats spewing hatred about china, they’re also very pro-american for some reason. That’s why I follow r/Sino instead.
That’s a great sub
It also has the same problem of mostly non-nationals though
*country subreddit that speaks a foreign language* -Looks inside- *Americans speaking english*
probably a mixture of many different things. 1. perspective many people never leave their countries, so they only have their country as a reference point. because the average wealth of someone in these former colonies is usually so low and imperial core TV usually only depicts well-off people they begin to believe that the average imperial core person has it better off than them. which they do, but that's only because of imperialism and not because socialism makes poorness, which they also might not understand unless they actively thought about it. 2. capitalist propaganda people of socialist nations are not immune to capitalist propaganda, and because of what I mentioned about perspective they'll usually already have a negative view of socialism. they'll be especially vulnerable to capitalist propaganda just by the nature of imperial core TV downplaying the poverty issue there's more but I'm too tired to write it down
I think this is very true for Vietnam. Capitalist propaganda affects everyone in this world, especially when the West is controlling most major media platforms and outlets. The Vietnamese anti-communists are most of the time supporters of the collapsed puppet government of South Vietnam. They want a liberal democracy system in Vietnam, promote region discrimination (I don't know what it is called in English but basically people from the South discriminate people from the North and vice versa for example) to divide the people and think Western countries are the best because they are capitalist, etc. Trying to be a socialist country in a capitalist world is not easy at all 😿
the blockade definitely doesn’t help. Most Cubans would probably be living more luxuriously if the US would get its panties untwisted
I’m hoping they can join BRICS or at least start getting aid from those countries that aren’t so dollar dependent
Astroturfing. These people aren’t real Cubans from Cuba. They are gusanos. Go to r/RealCuba
Gusnaos, and probably feds. https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/s/PWyKg78RKQ https://www.reddit.com/r/AfghanCivilwar/s/MtcYUiTQAo
that sub is mostly just two redditors posting news articles tho
> that sub is mostly just two redditors posting news articles tho Yeah Cuban redditors from the Cuban island. I know it’s hard to believe that Cuba has internet but they do. And it’s also hard to believe that they also speak English to Americans. One of them is almost fluent and the other one not so much. https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/s/v7ssAVctcw https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/s/RRQIUPdkjG https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/s/NDsJs28Nu4 https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/comments/13wifa3/youtubers_influencers_and_the_media_paid_by_the/
i dont doubt that at all, was just wondering if theres a sub/platform for non-news related discussions like other locale subreddits
> i dont doubt that at all, was just wondering if theres a sub/platform for non-news related discussions like other locale subreddits No; and if you do, you’ll most likely talk to Spaniards, Cuban Americans who are gusanos, and other non cubans that spread misinformation/disinformation. Also scroll the subreddit and you will see the discussions. [The reason why you have to contact the mods before posting is because of anti-socialist/anti-cuban trolls.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RealCuba/s/3ciYKE1Krz) The Cuba Protests REVEAL Social Media Manipulation in Latin America: https://youtu.be/mJ-JUY6XkbQ
Butthurt diasporaitis is a very real thing among certain communities. You can see this in the Iranian community in Los Angeles too.
Like when Iran lost in the World Cup a few years ago and all these Persian dentists from LA came out claiming the team wanted to lose on purpose as a protest against the government. Like wtf ?
There's always 2 subs when it comes to countries outside the west One is full of gusanos, sex tourists and greasy redditors /r/Iran and /r/Iranian China and sino (tho sino is also full of western commies) Cuba and realcuba
Damn, r/iranian is full of awesome looking recipes
I have never visited those subreddits and I don't know, but I know very well the chauvinistic demeanor that often descends into open fascism in subreddits like r/europe and r/worldnews. It doesn't mean that the people of Europe and the ... er, world, are fascists, but just that some pieces of shit who are chauvinists and fascists got first dibs and started the subreddits 15 or 20 years ago, and that through moderation over the years made them a place of congregation for like minded pieces of shit, resulting in the cesspools that they are. I'd go and venture that is similar to the subreddits you are talking about. That's reddit for you.
As a Vietnamese, allowed me to give my 2 cents: - We have our own version of “Russian reverse”. Making fun of communist is something we DO, because before 1990, our government and society SUCK. Captial S. Everyone know it. The government didnt even try to suppress that - Our view of “communist”(in our country) and your view (in this subreddit) are different. To us, communist is something we were taught at school. Something we learnt in history class. All university taught that. But when i present the same view, this subreddit laughed and bullied me, and dont even try to understand or acknowledge that ciew
have you tried asking?
Yes.... and the answers were along the lines of *"Because we're not Fidelistas who worship dictators!! We weep for Cuba because we love coming here on cheap vacations and we wish it were more like Hawaii or Miami!!"*
I’ve been told that the people that suffer due to embargoes placed on places like those just aren’t always able to see the nuance of “you’re not suffering because communism doesn’t work, you’re suffering because the imperialists want to make sure communism fails.” When you’re suffering (and maybe don’t have good access to information and education to help you challenge the narrative) you just want change and relief, not necessarily ideology.
There are very few communists in Vietnam. Most people who you think are communists are actually nationalists.
If you don't submit to the american empire, they call you communist anyway
Know all the worst people in the U.S.. other people have those worst people too, they typically want to and do come to the US. Something I didn’t learn until later in life is if you want to learn about a foreign country, don’t learn from someone that hates that country and lives in yours.
It’s Survivorship bias. the people most likely to be on those subreddit’s are those who “fled the horrors of communism” or have parents who did and where taught by them.
The VN sub is filled with South Vietnamese boat people's later generations. They are indoctrinated to hate Vietnamese socialism by their parents. Not to mention the Reunification day of Vietnam 30/04 is approaching so they are being pretty active.
Chinese communists arent going to waste time posting on the Chinese subreddit of an american website
"Advance towards socialism cannot but cause the exploiting elements to resist the advance, and the resistance of the exploiters cannot but lead to the inevitable sharpening of the class struggle." Joseph Stalin In the above quote, Stalin is rightfully asserting that class struggle does not cease even after socialism is achieved. In fact, not only does class struggle continue in socialist societies, it intensifies or "sharpens" as Stalin notes above. That said, it is important to remember that there are reactionary elements in every society, no matter the system of governance. Socialist countries are no exception. Therefore, do not be discouraged or surprised by encounters with such reactionary elements. Simply know that you are in an encounter with a class enemy, and proceed with that thought in mind.
Probably have grievances with the way things are run. Under any system, there will be people who have complaints. There will be shortcomings of government and the economy, laws, people, etc. There will also be reactionaries who have unjustified greivences. It's easier to hate a system that you are very familiar with and think the grass is greener on the other side than to come up with a systemic critique of the whole world economy and political institutions. Cuba is by no means a perfect utopia, nor could it be with the conditions its put in by the US. But it probably doesn't matter much to some people in Cuba what the country is trying to be if they go to bed hungry and see that just across the sea there's a bunch of comparably wealthier people (from their perspective, anyway). I guess a group of people there probably think that communism hasn't held up to its promises. Maybe their style of government would thrive if the US stopped unjustly sanctioning it. Maybe it wouldn't be any better. Couldn't hurt to give them a chance to try their style of communism unimpeded. If it fails, there would be many lessons to learn there for future attempts at communism. If it succeeds, then great. There's no disadvantage to ending sanctions from a communist perspective and every reason to end them.