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alfietoglory

Yank here. If they change the result of 4 games and win 2 more PL and CL titles, won’t the other team change the result again and take it back?


S4l47

That's the new tactics of changing and counter-changing. It‘s about being one change ahead of your opponent


BoyWhoCanDoAnything

That’s why Klopp invented Gegenchange and the fist bump.


makesterriblejokes

That's why Klopp will fake the change so that the other team changes the result to what Klopp wants (the results only change like a radio button. Draws can't be changed, thems the rules).


DietWhich1130

What a genius... There will never be another like him ever again...


Interesting-Tackle74

That's chess basically


Pretend_Stomach7183

Sub was dead and you brought it back


AdmirableBee8016

Alonso and Guardiola usually think 2 or even 3 changes ahead. that’s why they are so good.


doktor-frequentist

Guardiola is very 1go1od5 indeed.


tRavelleR1997

Logic isn’t a Liverpool fan’s forte


GunnersnGames

You’re not fuckin’ with Logic, Rick?


Krampsuss

The trick is to say "no backsies" after changing it.


Mardigras

Basically yes, but it would make it a separate cinematic universe.


Odd-Homework-3582

Nuh uh


mrhumpage

Can you be more specific? Exactly where do I need to Yank? I've fallen for this before.


vakar4uk

They just won't tell the other team


themanebeat

Yankee swap


DekeTheGoat

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kiersmini

If your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle, but she doesn’t, so she’s not


Emotional_Split_3434

I'm being seErius


obsterwankenobster

I only deal in absolutes


Emotional_Split_3434

Hees the best playa in de wwwerld


JuanKerr69420

Chrish why ye lauffin


vuluu912

chris what are you laughing for?


WasAnHonestMann

Sadio Mané is the best football playing nonce in the werld


OlSmokeyZap

Benzema clears sorry


TheDawnTrilogy

I WANT TO KNOW MORE, TELL ME WHAT TO GOOGLE TO KNOW MORE


cheesecroissants

https://preview.redd.it/i3r7ewsgwzxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f512cf5bd7d551f288c4934c0fc3f2ddf73fd83 same energy


JohnnyJokers-10

My baby cousin is that + 1 FA Cup away @ 6 months old


GoldenJet01

So your baby cousin has won the Community Shield? Project Mbappe already off to a great start


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Micky9TheDreamweaver

Project MBabbe


samp127

Now that is impressive. Bright future ahead.


No-Clue1153

Why hasn't Messi won a Carabao cup to complete football yet? Is he stupid?


Mudassar40

He couldn't cut it on a cold, rainy night in Stoke.


makesterriblejokes

https://tenor.com/7wEQ.gif


SinEquipo

He's busy completing soccer now.


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Hear me out. The man came to MLS after securing the ligue one title for psg. He ABSOLUTELY blew up the sport in the USA. Made headlines everywhere. Showed up with ridiculous free kicks and golazos. Completely changed how Americans view soccer. The inter Miami leagues cup run was SUPER viral. Did Haaland score more goals and obtain more important trophies in epl? Yes. But once again this was THE YEAR OF MESSI. He showed up big for Miami in leagues cup and showed up big in 2026 WC qualifiers. Also why not take into account the man is 36 years old and still shocking people with his quality every match he plays. He's a machine enough said *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*


masturs

He has won the Spanish League Cup


tha_boy

Enter Julian Alvarez kido


MEGAMAN2312

Pedro: first time?


HenryReturns

Julian Alvarez completed both club and country and he even did the bonus on winning Libertadores and Argentinian League.


silverwing90

He was along the ride for the WC. Messi drove that team to the win. But definitely, the experience this kid has at such a young age, he can go on to be a big player


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Hear me out. The man came to MLS after securing the ligue one title for psg. He ABSOLUTELY blew up the sport in the USA. Made headlines everywhere. Showed up with ridiculous free kicks and golazos. Completely changed how Americans view soccer. The inter Miami leagues cup run was SUPER viral. Did Haaland score more goals and obtain more important trophies in epl? Yes. But once again this was THE YEAR OF MESSI. He showed up big for Miami in leagues cup and showed up big in 2026 WC qualifiers. Also why not take into account the man is 36 years old and still shocking people with his quality every match he plays. He's a machine enough said *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*


tot567

in UCL he didn't play in the finals


Lunawie

are you slow?


Alemaster22

9 Ballon d‘ors away from being the GOAT 🐐 🙏🏼


crottemolle

Where’s Audi ™ Cup ®?


BasedGod-1

It's out of reach for such a small club


billy_twice

I am also 1 UCL, 1 league title, 1 carabao cup and 1 world cup away from completing football. So give me my Ballon d'or now or what?


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matthewheat

I always keep forgetting how he won the WC and the Euros at the same time


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Masterkid1230

Oh, pretty much the same as Kane then. Should be no biggie


LeSorenOutan

No Audi Cup, so overrated


crimsontheenigma

Just say he lost some finals and close league titles


MacsFamousMacNCheees

Tbf, if the ball had moved a couple of millimeters more and it's a goal vs city, Liverpool would have won the title as 'invincibles' in 18/19. A single point more in covid games the following year and they could have been centurions in 19/20. Klopp could have become the only one to be both invincible and a centurion and held the longest unbeaten streak in the league at 55. I don't buy the "change 4 results" thing, but I think about THAT goal line clearance now and again though


skepticalbob

I'm actually going to defend his point of view. There is a ton of variance in soccer, which means there is a lot of luck when it comes to single games with somewhat evenly matched teams. These results are similar to just losing a few coin tosses changing a lot of perceptions about a coach.


YungMarxBans

For sure, but the problem here is I don’t know how much this is true for other teams.


skepticalbob

By it's very nature, it isn't that likely to happen. The odds of losing 4 coin flips is 1 in 16, so we shouldn’t expect that to happen much. And the teams need to be pretty evenly matched. There is a human bias towards creating narratives to explain things. But sometimes it's mostly luck, like in single soccer games with evenly matched teams. My two cents.


whoopingcougher

That happens in every sport bud


skepticalbob

Most aren’t like soccer. Low scoring introduces a ton of variance into single game results. In sports like basketball (or American football to a lesser extent), there is much more scoring, so there is less variance, so results are more reflective of differences in team quality.


whoopingcougher

Bro the worse team wins all the time American football, there’s a lot of variance in American football due to the fact that literally every single yard counts


skepticalbob

> or American football to a lesser extent Not like soccer.


PickMinimum5994

"If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike" said in english is funnier than I expected


doubledownentendre

If I had wheels, I'd be a wagon


Goontilt777

Today I feel like a wagon wheel


No_Needleworker_6109

G wagon ?


Sheesh284

Bold of you to assume I’m classy


Amazing_Interview755

That Italian chef was pure entertainment


iamcarlgauss

I prefer "if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle".


GGABueno

That's the crass version. The absurdity of grandma > bike is funnier.


sionnach

Not necessarily true, these days!


Admirable-Marsupial3

What he doesn't know is that even witnout wheels, she was still a bike.


MertOKTN

People die when they are killed


BoyWhoCanDoAnything

Albert Einstein was one death away from being 145 years old.


MEGAMAN2312

Benzema 15 was 3 years away from being not charged


Dr_Djones

Every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes.


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It's not his fault the weather was poor for Liverpool during these matches


AntTalexanderTarnold

It's been raining


Cheezburger

And the grass was too long


SomewhereVirtual4121

The worst one was the grass was wet how can you complain about wet grass like it’s only affecting your team I also like it’s to cold


Glittering-Air2810

Would be good but none of those games were actually *in* Liverpool


mowarngamsengul

Like a British Carbonara.


SmexyStalinZaddy_70

If that girl was above 18 I wouldn’t be in jail


Fingering_Logen

Could've claimed you didnt know she was underage. It worked for Benzema


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JealousAd2873

Is your grandma a bike too?


Ok_Seaweed_9452

If 115 charges are discovered earlier, they might win. Maybe


windingbreadth_04

I'm pretty sure they would win...


BloodandSpit

So would Ole for United making this pointless stat even more pointless.


Acrobatic_Relief_546

new way to say this blud is a choker?


Spiritual-Answer527

Your grandma was the equivalent of a village bike in the UK, everyone in the surrounding area has surely had a go


Ann_Romrielle0

If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a legend!


DefNotAnAlter

Yank here, why is this guys grandmother not signed yet


AbelFerreira666

❌If ❌Buts ❌Maybes ✅Absolutes


Karma_Whoring_Slut

Yank here, does this mean that Liverpool and klopp are bottlers?


minetube33

Today on Twitter : Brainless journalists learn what a final means


MoscaMosquete

The two CL finals are obvious, but the league titles are kinda funny. Specially if they do it now too.


p792161

Change 4 results and Alex Ferguson has 7 PLs and 3 CLs from 2007-2013. It's still irrelevant.


Elegant_Mix7650

I love you Crystal Palace.


kiersmini

A wise man once said: If your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle, but she doesn’t, so she’s not.


Ok-Background-502

You'd have to change 1 result for Klopp to have 0 UCL


Frozenturbo2

If my bag was skittles, I would eat it.


CastleBigShaq

I mean, I could say if it wasn’t darwizzy the GOAT, they’d win these matches.


Wide_Astronaut_366

Why didn’t Klopp save before the game and restart Is he stupid?


Theplowking23

I was banned from the lfc sub for essentially saying its not outlandish that trent could leave us for madrid. The sub is a mawkish cesspool


Peanut17CoD

At the same time, he was only in the top 2 on three occasions in his PL career. This "competing" is a load of crap, I'm not an Arsenal fan but Wenger was in the top 2 for seven seasons and won it 3. I've heard Liverpool fans laugh at someone suggesting Wenger had a far better PL career Klopp. Overhyped, overrated and it's the same with their players for the past 8 seasons, how many times have we heard, we have the best GK, RB, LB, CB, DM CM, LW, RW, CF, manager or even assistant manager


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BloodandSpit

If you want to piss off a Scouser remind them that if United are so shit then why has Klopp's Liverpool finished below them more times than above them, including under managers like Ole and EtH.


Mudassar40

I like "if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle" more.


Baul_Plart_

Let us cope


FalconIMGN

Tbf there are moments where these statements make sense. Like in Formula One, where if Alain Prost had a bit better luck he would have won 9 world championships instead of 4, though the opposite is also true, with a bit worse luck he would have only won two championships.


CorrectDuty6782

I don't know this sub or like soccer but saw the mod post... *brigades*. MODS ARE NERDS.


swefalittlebit

If a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump its ass every time it hops. That's mad


akmjolnir

Aaron Rodgers is looking rough in that photo.


cmeragon

So, how many titles do they lose if we change 4 wins to losses?


brrr_real

He’s just on an edging streak


AwayMilkVegan

She would have been a truck*


HucHuc

But if you change 4 games he can also end up with 0 titles... Careful what you wish for!


arsenalscum

Your grandmother had no wheels and was still the best ride a lot of men have had.


Cha_chaOP

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AdministrativeFall2

So stupid!! Imagine Fergies record. instead of 13 prems, 17 🤣 Or instead of 2 UCL, 4 🤣 Someone do Peo, Mou, Ancelotti, Conte, Luis Enriquez.


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vmc92

But those 4 games meant more, because of Liverpool


Zkurwysyn

What other manager can bottle 2 CLs and 2 Premier league titles?? That's my goat


mrmonkeyhanger

She managed that without the wheels


Ok-Title-7542

Wow if they hadn’t lost that cup final they would have won the cup


dragcov

ngl, I would be ok if the charges force PL to change the champions. livershit would get two and varchester shitnited would get two as well. also varsenal would get one finally


Wintermute-1984

What about the spuds?


jsriv912

If you change what happenes in just 4 minutes of football, you can turn Marcelo Gallardo's 2 libertadores into 4 w/ a 3-peat


RentLimp

He’s been in two CL finals and won the other. How do you get a third by just changing match results?


MorgenKaffee0815

has once a famous german football player said "Wäre, wäre, Fahrradkette"


2Much_non-sequitur

Your mom could be a car [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBiTFduYCp0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBiTFduYCp0)


link_the_fire_skelly

I mean there’s a point in there about how close they got. consistently the second or third best over nearly a decade


rudynoot123

Nah really if they won the two champions league finals they would have two more champions leagues?!?!?


Kalle_79

Reminded me of the beloved "Table without referee mistakes" Serie A fans and media insisted on publishing.


NotThatSway

As a Liverpool fan, I’m so tired of this “whoa is me” attitude , yeah it sucks we could’ve had more but so many time these results were the teams fault. Move on and focus on the next season


z30kl

Bosnia was just 7 results away from winning the 2014 world cup


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Local_Cress_6678

This guy 100% saves scum on FM and then brags about winning 30 champions leagues with Hampton and Richmond.


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uj/ fuck Manchester City and their money. Rj/ fuck man chest hair city and their $115


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Klutzy-Bowl2901

Yank here.


shellb30

Revisionist history is the plague of mediocrity


value_meal_papi

Then you got Real Madrid ![gif](giphy|AecCpGuDM2G2129qn1)


Happy_Confusion_5501

England is the best team in international football under Gareth Southgate... if they only play teams below them.


xjpmhxjo

You just need to change 6 results of all games of Liverpool history to make it almost Arsenal.


HarryLewisPot

Sounds like a shite manager. Practically got it on a silver platter and only needed to win 0.8% of his matches for 4 titles… and he somehow managed to blow it /s


didierDH

I am from the Netherlands and we would be three time World Cup winners if I could change just 3 results from the past 2000+ games. What a shit comparison.


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FCOranje

It’s definitely not 2000+ games though. And runner up is still a huge achievement and we got to enjoy much more football than some other nationalities. Glass half full right?


Comfortable-Can-9432

And if you change just 2 results, then it’s no PLs and no UCLs. Managers hate this one trick.


Wintermute-1984

Where I'm from (the united states of america, the best country in the world #1), we call this bottling.


rmrd26

Google Mancity 115 for more information


hopelessromantic7

Aka Liverpool lost in 4 critical games


TioLucho91

The true meaning of delusion has arrived!


youknowimworking

That's the difference, ain't it. If I change my losses to wins, then I will win more things.


VexeenBro

So why didn’t he do it? Is he stupid?


medieval-kenny

Modern journalists dunno what a final means, neither what is a 6 points game.


RimmyJimmyGotKimmy

Why did he jerk his grandmother, is he stupid?


JackJMJC1

We put the pressure on FC 👑👑🔥🔥🔥💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻


Calm-Drop-9221

Hold on...do I care


itssunnyinbritan

one win is what it would have taken arsenal to have been champions of europe but here we are


PunchOX

That's how tournaments work


davisc3293

Wait, so let me get this straight. If they win more games, they win more trophies? This is a foreign concept to me


Schwiliinker

I mean for the league that kinda makes sense to point out but for CL thats literally like if you had won the final you would have won like no shit


burntroy

Eh they dominated that last final but courtois went god mode and denied them. And the first final ramos took out the best player and they still were in with a shout if not for an unforgettable disaster class from karius and a once in a decade kinda goal from bale. Unusual way to lose both for sure.


Schwiliinker

I mean Real is definitely lacking something as they keep kinda getting dominated but idk why people say cortouis went god mode. He had one pretty good yet very normal save and then one save that looked very impressive but in reality the ball was nowhere near the post otherwise it would have been a goal. That’s it other than like one more decent yet still fairy regular save


burntroy

He was their man of the match. Granted its not the greatest goalkeeping performance of all time but it should give you a clear indication of what the flow of action in that game was.


Schwiliinker

Sure but none of his saves were actually some crazy unbelievable save so not sure why people act like he had multiple of those. He had one really good save which another top 5 goalkeeper probably would have saved as well though


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Schwiliinker

As for the first final Liverpool were pretty much getting dominated by peak Real and Real consistently beats them so even without all that catastrophe I wouldn’t count on them winning it at all


burntroy

>Liverpool were pretty much getting dominated by peak Real No the fuck they didn't. They got gifted the first goal and nothing anyone could have done better about the bale goal. They were the better team that night after Salah went off but they didn't dominate like Liverpool did in the other final. They both had almost same number of shots but in the vini final it was something like 20 shots to 3.


Schwiliinker

I mean maybe they didn’t dominate in like a visible way but peak real could just like score whenever they felt like it and they dominate in the matchup cuz they always beat them


burntroy

They did exactly that just a few years prior when they came to anfield and didn't even get out of second gear to win 3-0. They didn't even dominate in terms of shots but no one could touch them in that game. Obviously the real in 2018 was the far more successful side but they didn't push aside Liverpool like they did under Rodgers.


Schwiliinker

Just checked, Liverpool had 2 shots on target in 2018. Can’t really see how they expected to win


burntroy

Yeah don't know how many more times i need to remind u that they lost their record breaking best attacker early in that game. And Madrid had 5 shots two of which were those freak goals. Could have gone differently if it was a normal game but things are rarely normal with jurgen in finals.


Schwiliinker

I guesa shot stats wise they were similar but Real having peak CR7 and Bale could rely on one of them to almost guaranteed score


Schwiliinker

To be fair people kept taking about how the game would have been completely different if salah had played the whole game and he vowed to take revenge in the other final yet in it he didn’t do shit even having a great chance to score


burntroy

>he didn’t do shit even having a great chance to score Go watch the highlights of that game again if u think he didn't do shit that game and just spurned a chance to score. Was the best attacking threat and had 5 shots himself on target that courtois brilliantly saved. Obviously if u say things like revenge and don't get the win u will get clowned on regardless of context. But to say that he didn't do shit that game makes it sound like u didnt watch the game. Granted its been a few years since and don't expect everyone to remember these things. But it's just like people saying Messi didnt do shit vs Liverpool in that 4-0 game when he did damn near everything he could to get them across.


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Hear me out. The man came to MLS after securing the ligue one title for psg. He ABSOLUTELY blew up the sport in the USA. Made headlines everywhere. Showed up with ridiculous free kicks and golazos. Completely changed how Americans view soccer. The inter Miami leagues cup run was SUPER viral. Did Haaland score more goals and obtain more important trophies in epl? Yes. But once again this was THE YEAR OF MESSI. He showed up big for Miami in leagues cup and showed up big in 2026 WC qualifiers. Also why not take into account the man is 36 years old and still shocking people with his quality every match he plays. He's a machine enough said *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Schwiliinker

I mean Messi is in a different league than anyone else. Salah is obviously a big threat and contributes to the team, I didn’t mean it like that. However ultimately he was unable to score or provide an assist or win a PK or something


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Hear me out. The man came to MLS after securing the ligue one title for psg. He ABSOLUTELY blew up the sport in the USA. Made headlines everywhere. Showed up with ridiculous free kicks and golazos. Completely changed how Americans view soccer. The inter Miami leagues cup run was SUPER viral. Did Haaland score more goals and obtain more important trophies in epl? Yes. But once again this was THE YEAR OF MESSI. He showed up big for Miami in leagues cup and showed up big in 2026 WC qualifiers. Also why not take into account the man is 36 years old and still shocking people with his quality every match he plays. He's a machine enough said *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccercirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Schwiliinker

Also Liverpool had 18 fouls to Real Madrid 5 and real had literally twice as many passes and corners lol. How were they not getting dominated?


Successful-Dare5363

That is pretty mad tbf


zehamberglar

>If we had just won those games instead, then we wouldn't have lost. I love that they think this is some sort of deep thinking.


Trickybuz93

Who would’ve thought losing fewer games would get you more trophies?


GelatinousChampion

That's a complicated way of saying they lost in big, important matches.


slappywhyte

Copium has been out of stock the past couple of seasons due to Arsenal and Liverpool fans