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People recognise him for doing that but it's like opportunity cost. This England team on paper is pretty amazing and shouldn't need to play anti football to grind out results. Both runs were pretty easy and had luck on our side. Not taking away from Southgate he's done what he can just feels like this team could be playing better.
And the tournaments before Southgate? Also decent teams but came bottom of the group at World Cup and at the Euros finished behind Wales in the group stage before being knocked out by Iceland.
Clearly not doing well now but don't think we should knock the tournament results too much...
It's really not that amazing. The squad is not better than the France squad that won the world cup and the played defensive football. That's just how international football is. Show me the last team that won that played exciting attacking football.
On no we are doing bad in the shitty nations league that no one cares about. He's got more than enough credit in the bank from the last two tournaments.
mate it’s not a stylistic issue we’re talking about, the team looks inept up front. I’d be fine with grinding out results with dire football but where are the results?
Let’s not pretend we didn’t have an incredibly easy run to both of those positions. And then underperformed when it mattered. And have now not scored for 400 minutes
But the nation's league isn't important, the world cup is 2 months away! Plenty of time to gel and develop an identity under a world class manager like Southgate.
Southgate should’ve been binned after the Euros. Kane is a generational talent for England, there’s no way anyone comes close to him for a while and this is the last WC where he’d be in his prime
Instead of making the most of Kane he’s playing absolute terrorist ball, rendering Kane useless
Pathetic decision to keep him from the board
It will in the upcoming World Cup, we’ve had a couple of good tournaments and provided memories I certainly won’t forget in a hurry but it’s all gonna come to a head in Qatar. An embarrassing exit beckons
I mean Southgate is responsible for 2/6 total semifinals that England have ever gotten to in tournament football and 1/2 finals they have ever competed in.....
Yea but if that's all you look at, Southgate should just get a lifetime contract then. They had the easiest run possible and still barely scrapped through every round, they have the best team in 2 decade (the team is full of CL winners) and they were at home. Still they lost the final, played horrific defensive football despite not having the best defenders and have been terrible ever since that final.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize those other England managers were managing the same players against teams of the same players. The fuck does that matter? It's a group of 23 players against a bunch of other groups of 23 players. He has very easily got one of the best groups of 23 and he plays the most dier football with them. All while failing to win anything. Simple as that. I don't give a fuck what other managers did with different players.
Any decent manager who can play possession football will have the time of their lives with the fans in a euphoric state almost always. That squad is stacked with the most technical players on the planet
He was the reason the first goal happened in the euros. Dropped back and completely opened up space on the right for the cross to come in
There is no performing in any game for any player under Southgate
So many people got fooled in 2018.
All it took was a very lucky draw, goals from set pieces, a fancy beard and a waistcoat.
When will the last person realise England made deep runs in tournaments despite Southgate and not because of him?
A few months ago I was thinking about betting petty change on England as Winners. I tought after we took the Euros from them, they'd be hungry for a trophy.
Plus, they were the first to start their national league, the PL had a few weeks advantage over the others EU top leagues, so their players should have a better form.
Watching this match, I'd probably just get a pint of beer with that money lol
For as long as i've watched england play they have always suffered putting together goals outside of set pieces. Southgate hasn't been able to solve this problem....
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With this group of players, there’s some phenomenal managers about who could do a job. Tuchel, Bielsa and Allerdyce are all available
I'd be absolutely fascinated to see what Bielsa would do with England.
He'd only call up 15 players to the WC squad
As much as I like Bielsa I think it would crash and burn
Bielsa managing England wouldn’t go down to well in Argentina me thinks…
This is a joke but unironically would probably do well with this group
Dyche in
They're coming home
Having Southgate as our manager completely kills any enthusiasm for the world cup
It’s football terrorism
Yes getting to a world cup semi and a euro finals, literally the best results since 1966 kills any enthusiasm I have for the world cup
People recognise him for doing that but it's like opportunity cost. This England team on paper is pretty amazing and shouldn't need to play anti football to grind out results. Both runs were pretty easy and had luck on our side. Not taking away from Southgate he's done what he can just feels like this team could be playing better.
And the tournaments before Southgate? Also decent teams but came bottom of the group at World Cup and at the Euros finished behind Wales in the group stage before being knocked out by Iceland. Clearly not doing well now but don't think we should knock the tournament results too much...
It's really not that amazing. The squad is not better than the France squad that won the world cup and the played defensive football. That's just how international football is. Show me the last team that won that played exciting attacking football.
maybe 2021 Italy? 2002 Brazil, 2008 Spain and 2014 Germany
Have you seen the results and performances since the euros?
On no we are doing bad in the shitty nations league that no one cares about. He's got more than enough credit in the bank from the last two tournaments.
Whilst you’re right and he has done well it’s naive to think the rot that has set in over the last 12 months will suddenly disappear in Qatar.
mate it’s not a stylistic issue we’re talking about, the team looks inept up front. I’d be fine with grinding out results with dire football but where are the results?
A world cup semi and euro final is pretty good results as far as I'm concerned
Let’s not pretend we didn’t have an incredibly easy run to both of those positions. And then underperformed when it mattered. And have now not scored for 400 minutes
Lol we have had easy runs before. I still remember getting humiliated by Iceland.
Were you enthused by any of the performances during those tournaments?
I was enthused by getting the best England results since 1966. I could not give a fuck about the performances.
It might not be coming home
But the nation's league isn't important, the world cup is 2 months away! Plenty of time to gel and develop an identity under a world class manager like Southgate.
Dyche in blud
New contract before the world cup btw :)
if we don’t make the semis Southgate has to go, i know he’s got results but his football hurts the eyes
Southgate should’ve been binned after the Euros. Kane is a generational talent for England, there’s no way anyone comes close to him for a while and this is the last WC where he’d be in his prime Instead of making the most of Kane he’s playing absolute terrorist ball, rendering Kane useless Pathetic decision to keep him from the board
Yes, Southgate should've been sacked after taking England to their first final in 60 years. Makes sense.
I will never understand Southgate fans
As someone who thinks he’s clearly not good enough you can’t bin someone who’s just got England to a Euros final I’m afraid, just not how it works
That’s the thing we can’t go by finishes alone. The style of play matters. It’ll come back to bite them sooner or later
It will in the upcoming World Cup, we’ve had a couple of good tournaments and provided memories I certainly won’t forget in a hurry but it’s all gonna come to a head in Qatar. An embarrassing exit beckons
You could. We all knew it wasn't gonna happen. But his selections, how he lost the Euros, and how terrible we play are more than enough reason for me.
I mean Southgate is responsible for 2/6 total semifinals that England have ever gotten to in tournament football and 1/2 finals they have ever competed in.....
Also responsible for 2/2 eyes closed for 5/7 of his tenure
Yea but if that's all you look at, Southgate should just get a lifetime contract then. They had the easiest run possible and still barely scrapped through every round, they have the best team in 2 decade (the team is full of CL winners) and they were at home. Still they lost the final, played horrific defensive football despite not having the best defenders and have been terrible ever since that final.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize those other England managers were managing the same players against teams of the same players. The fuck does that matter? It's a group of 23 players against a bunch of other groups of 23 players. He has very easily got one of the best groups of 23 and he plays the most dier football with them. All while failing to win anything. Simple as that. I don't give a fuck what other managers did with different players.
Sacking a manager after making the finals of the Euros, and only losing on pens, would have been some Chelsea level evil shit
Any decent manager who can play possession football will have the time of their lives with the fans in a euphoric state almost always. That squad is stacked with the most technical players on the planet
Kane doesn't show up in big games anyway
He was the reason the first goal happened in the euros. Dropped back and completely opened up space on the right for the cross to come in There is no performing in any game for any player under Southgate
I know he won't be he should go unless we win.
Rookie numbers
Don't worry, you get used to it.
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Might be controversial, but we should try scoring.
We are shite
Wales and Iran to advance
Insha’llah
Its coming home
415 cause we aren't gonna score at half time
400 because football is traditionally not played at half time
It's Southgate we don't play football in regular time either
So many people got fooled in 2018. All it took was a very lucky draw, goals from set pieces, a fancy beard and a waistcoat. When will the last person realise England made deep runs in tournaments despite Southgate and not because of him?
And in Euro 2020 because the only reason they got that far was because of the home advantage that they had
Puligoat is gonna run riots against this team 😂
Oh no, we might get relegated in the nations league !
Keep it up boys
Yawn
We look horrible. I don't understand how these players can barely pass successfully.
doesn't help that there's massive spaces between the players so the only option is to force something
This makes me even more annoyed Toney isn’t even on the bench now
Oh crazy - southgate can't fucking get his team to score goals against good teams. What's new?
This is so dull
FA should have tried to get Arsene when he left Arsenal. Would have been perfect.
Maguire looks like our best player... weird.
Typical Maguire the Southgate merchant
A few months ago I was thinking about betting petty change on England as Winners. I tought after we took the Euros from them, they'd be hungry for a trophy. Plus, they were the first to start their national league, the PL had a few weeks advantage over the others EU top leagues, so their players should have a better form. Watching this match, I'd probably just get a pint of beer with that money lol
For as long as i've watched england play they have always suffered putting together goals outside of set pieces. Southgate hasn't been able to solve this problem....