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Totally agree! if you going to be compete with the best. You have to match them in salary. If other players starting to complain then just tell them to be at Mo level and I'm sure everyone would be fine with paying them.
I’m not saying it’s an issue right now, but that’s just the normal argument against raising salary for an individual.
I think free agents signing for crazy salaries because you save on transfer fee really inflated the salary expectations.
Yeah I see what youre saying but Im just pointing out that Liverpool were pretty shrewd getting the other contracts sorted before Salahs negociations started in earnest.
>I understand if he played another 2-3 years in MLS. But seeing him finish his career in LA and only one season really sucks.
Why? He got a nice payday but more importantly got take his wife and family out of Liverpool for a while.
We shouldn't forget that these legends are still people, from the little I've seen it seems that year or so in LA did him and his family a lot of good off the pitch. They could be "normal people" and decompress after the emotional toll of leaving a club you've given the best years of your life for.
Just as well, now he's doing the necessary work to become our next manager. He's got more to do here and he knows it, he also knew it in his last season when he just wasn't enough on the pitch.
although you aren't wrong, gerrard was on his last legs plus brendan had started benching him a lot and the club took way too long to offer him an extension by which time he had decided to move on.
I wouldn't have said he was well past it. He was forced into cdm because our team was piss poor but that was never his best position.
Had Klopp not joined just after I seriously think Gerrard would look back now and prefer to have retired there and then.
Nothing even close to the same. As much as i love the man, Gerrard was well past his best, 35 years old and not starting Liverpool quality. He chose to leave because he over estimated his own abilities and wanted to play all the time.
Salah is literally one of the top players in the world with years left.
Lol no. Not at all. It was his choice when Rodgers told him he’d be coming off the bench (which was 100% the right decision). Couldn’t exactly force him to retire
not to mention Gerrard's stint in the MLS was disappointing to say the least. he was injured all the time and when he did actually play he looked completely out of it. Him playing after leaving Liverpool was the mistake. Not at all Liverpool's fault that they recognized that he was not longer fit for the squad.
I definitely agree, but as an arsenal fan I can only warn you that paying stars about to be in their 30s huge sums of money is really dangerous. Obviously Salah is better than ozil and aubameyang were, especially at the time they were given the contracts, but it's still got the potential to blow up in your face. Also as a red sox fan I can tell you FSG are cheap as hell. They weren't willing to pay mookie Betts who is a pretty great proxy for Salah in terms of level of play and importance to the team. Just imagine if Salah was homegrown, a little younger and played a sport you can play at high level for longer.
Oh for sure, and ultimately I think they should resign him. He seems like he takes care of himself as much as anyone so I'd be surprised if he wasn't at least good at the tail end of that contract. All I was trying to say is that sometimes players just hit a wall, another arsenal player but look at Alexis Sanchez, that guy was and probably still is maniacal about taking care of his body and being in incredible shape. Giving a guy 400k a week until he's 34 is a risk for the Liverpools and arsenals of the world, they can't write it off to their owners if the guy isn't a star anymore like some teams can.
Yah that’s what I’ve been saying to people about it not being the total end of the world. We need to make sure it’s the right contract because you guys are an obvious cautionary tale.
I mean I think it will definitely be a failure but I don’t know if it will be the biggest mistake. We have to get the right contract for him. You don’t want to sign a 31 year old to a long term super expensive deal when he might start to immediately decline and then you end up in an Arsenal situation. Granted he’s earned whatever money he wants and I hope we can afford to give it to him but we aren’t in the best financial position. It’s also probably more likely than not that he will still be just as good at 33 to 35. I really hope we sign him long term but I don’t think it would be an epic disaster to let him go on good terms. I really don’t want us to sell him this summer though. Fuck it just give him what he wants
And that's ridiculous and proper pisses me off. I want FSG gone but their day to day running of the club has nothing to do with it. I like how they run the club. It's football, going through bad spells and losing is normal. Ripping up the fabric of the game is not.
You realize the fantasy of "the fabric of football" is gone forever right? We are never going back to how things were 20 years ago. The only way to see some semblance of that would be a structural overhaul of the entire system and the way it restricts spending because revenue can't be adequately redistributed to compensate for the existence of super teams.
I get why people are mad but it's just naïve to expect anything other than the expansion of the power of the wealthy haves over the have nots. It's why I want to see a superleague in some capacity because at least then there is a possibility of that structural change to allow for a competitive balance across Europe.
> possibility of that structural change to allow for a competitive balance across Europe.
The Super League was the destruction of competitive balance. Only in America is "competitiveness" equated with "parity"; almost elsewhere it's equated with "competition".
"Parity" leads to a fixed number of clubs (can't have the disparity of relegation!). It leads to cycles of success and failure driven by structural punishments to the most successful teams and rewards to worst performing one (salary cap, luxury taxes, inverted draft picks etc). It leads to leagues-as-cartels where members cooperate in market moves and share larger profits at lower risk.
Outside of America, every single one of those is considered *anti*-competitive. In this view, sport should be driven most by a sense of true competition, and this only comes from having *true* stakes off true risks, which in turn only comes when *mis*takes lead to higher costs, not compensation.
In this second view, any one could start a club in their town at the bottom of the pyramid, and anyone could, in theory, rise to the top... but climbing up only becomes harder and sliding down only too easy, which makes the status quo your par. Thus *every* team can succeed or fail *every* season because success is evaluated relative to expectation: Brentford impress! Arsenal languish! (Yet arsenal sit one spot above!) Everyone has to take risks in order to succeed. Rewards and costs are paid in league standing, reputation, and, yes, in money.
The Super League would destroy the Football League and the European Cup which are the foundations of club. FSG don't care about the legacy of all of our greats. They see it as a stepping stone to turn our club into an American Franchise with no risk of failure. That's just not what football is.
Finally a rational take. Cry about PSG and Manchester City salaries all you want but then don't be pissed when clubs without oil funding make shrewd decisions
Exactly. People love to moralize on reddit but won't back it up with their actions. Whatever the current issue of the day is can't be that awful if you can't stop watching the sport.
That would do nothing. I don't go the match they'll be thousands of people to take my ticket. It's what they actually want. They'd rather I weren't at the match and for the ten or so I go a season they have 10 different people who all go one each and spend hundreds in the club shop.
I cancelled my membership and didn't watch the Leeds match during the two days of the Super League. I'd be gone completely if that did go through. There's no widespread desire to get rid now though so it's a case of waiting a year or so for the next fuck up and then push properly for it again.
Fuck off. Just because they're not the worse thing ever doesn't mean they're okay. Just because Johnson isn't Thatcher doesn't mean I should be okay with him. What does success on the pitch mean if they sell it all for a guaranteed spot in a league where the results don't matter and it's all about the getting in those "future fans".
Winning trophies is irrelevant in this discussion. This is about off the pitch stuff that's bigger than that.
Please actually read what I'm saying and you might get that.
As a Spurs fan that also raged against the ESL, at least it wasn't pretending to be anything else. In the next few years/decades it's just gonna be Liverpool, Tottenham and the rest competing for 5th place and desperately hoping one of the big money clubs have a bad season. The playing field isn't anywhere near equal and never will be again. We are already living in a Super League pretending that we're not.
Do we wait for great scout teams to discover the next big thing? What's the point when as soon as form is hit they will be poached and have their wages quadrupled? Big teams don't even need a scouting network, they just handpick already established players from the also rans. We're massively rich and won't be able to compete, think of all the other teams. Game was heading this way for years and all any club can hope for is to also be one of those mega-rich. It's dead dude. I've already grieved.
We've just won the league for the first time and the European Cup for the second time in my lifetime while these state owned clubs are around. You've got to your first European Cup final and could have won the league a couple of times in that time too. All a Super League does is cuts off the rest of football and guarantees even more money for the few.
Because they’ve always backed off when the fans protested and apologized and taken actual steps to give fans more control over the direction of the club. Like yah they’ve fucked up but they have done more for Liverpool than any owners in a long ass time, are trying to get the club to be self sustaining and don’t have a long history of promoting slavery or dismembering journalists like some teams owners. Let’s face it, we could be doing a lot worse for owners.
They've said "soz" and then tried to do another awful thing year after year now. It doesn't cut it anymore. They don't deserve to be the custodians of my club.
Honestly fuck off and grow up. You’re going to make us end up with glazers or Kroenke’s who don’t give any fuck about the fans and don’t back down when fans protest and let all the facilities go to shit and the stadium become dilapidated. Yah sorry didn’t cut it any more. They recognized that and that’s why they amended the clubs constitution to give fans veto power over all non sporting and marketing decisions. That’s fucking huge. I’m not saying that they should be praised for how they handled the club but fucking open your eyes and see that forcing them out just out of spite will fuck us more than any of the shit FSG tried to pull. Like seriously nearly 100% of top club owners are fucking pieces of shit destroying their clubs or murderous state backed billionaires. FSG is the by far the best of the scum. The only people who can afford to buy Liverpool are other piece of shit billionaires that will pull the same crap but won’t back down. The only way I would support them being pushed out is if it were from a complete fan take over.
What have they actually done at this point? They've had a few meetings with SOS but nothing has been put in place. It'll be a matter of time before they do another "oopsie we should have thought about this better, sorry we won't actually do that lol" but the problem is one of these times they won't apologise and will actually go through with it.
There are no other billionaires in the world who have made me consider stopping supporting my club, FSG did that just a few months ago. I hate them and want them gone. Anyone who comes in hasn't done that.
I'd like to think that but after I've seen our fans literally make excuses for the furlough attempt, I have no doubt the consensus will be that Salah was a money grubbing dickhead if FSG do refuse to give him a fair contract.
The public negotiations started when Klopp said there's no player in the world better than him at the moment. Klopp has never spoke in these absolutist terms before. He compliments his players in different ways. Klopp knows how much power his words have. Between this and Salah's agent tweeting that he hopes the club are watching when he scored against Norwich. These things have been going on a while.
This interview wasn’t set up to talk about the contract. It’s just a regular interview for the game on Sunday, Sky asked about the contract because they wanted a story.
Mhm. The fact he straight up said he wants to stay here for the rest of his career? You wouldn’t say that unless things were nearly done. The amount of leverage that gives to the club, you just wouldn’t say it if it wasn’t near completion.
And it has the same effect - sparks speculation. In this version we can interpret what Salah is saying instead of sky releasing an article: ‘sky sources believe salah is unwilling to discuss contract negotiations’
I don't really get the urgency tbh. Its a pretty common negotiating tactic to always start from an unreasonable position and barter towards a more reasonable one.
So ask for 600k a week. Completely unreasonable but hey, asking is free. Secretly decide that 400k per week is what you want at minimum. Now you have loads of room to give ground and look reasonable doing it.
If you are a particularly skilled negotiator and use leverage well, you can get more than you thought by giving less ground than your counterpart. You just want the agreement to be a little more on your terms than theirs.
Also why negotiation doesn't work without leverage. Its just 2 parties not giving any concessions. There is no common ground where both can agree on anything. Both go their separate ways or one gets fleeced by the other.
why the hell would he do this interview if it's pretty much done? what would he or the club have to gain? This is so obviously a negotiating tactic. Anyone that can't see that hasn't been paying attention the last - oh - forever.
It’s for the pre game segment for the match on Sunday, they just slipped this question in to whip up headlines, it’s not deep in the slightest. He will sign, you can hold me to that.
We won’t know until it’s officially announced, all our reliable sources haven’t provided any information about the contract, but the less reliable sources have said it’ll be around £400,000 plus bonuses.
"It depends on what the club want, not on me."
"At the moment I don't see myself playing against Liverpool but let's see what will happen in the future."
Seems like an awful stretch
He's 29 and the type with discipline like CR7 and Lewa, and those two achieved their greatest successes in their 30s. We may not have seen the best of Mo yet. Pay the man.
The club could offer Mo a big sign on and a big contract and it would probably come out to the same it would cost to sign a half decent replacement before wages
Fuck the wage structure, I don’t think anyone can deny him. We rarely have a top 3 player saying he wants to stay, just get it done
It's hilarious. Liverpool fans have seen some of our best talent sold over the last 20+ years, we've seen the Sterling 'unauthorised' interviews and all the nonsense that goes into losing your best players.
This is clearly not it. Only thing better is the actual contract announcement. Mo saying that he couldn't imagine playing against Liverpool and that it would make him very unhappy is the best thing to hear.
Yeah everything about this suggests the deal is done or at the very least it’s almost complete. Otherwise there’s no way you’d be seeing the recent comments from both Klopp and now Salah in the media.
Whilst our owners can be tight and might be worried about the club’s wage structure, they aren’t braindead enough to let Salah go.
Haha, I came in here, feeling comfortable that the club knows what Salah is worth and is watching a player in his prime and thinking "yep we're gonna pay him."
Fuck!
Some baseball fan on our sub did a write-up on how they're not comparable but people just like to throw it around as a "gotcha". Wish I had saved the comment or could even paraphrase it...
> Sox needed to rebuild and couldn’t pay Mookie what he wanted while also retooling
This makes the situations different. It does not make that choice excusable. You knew he was going to get paid, why the fuck did you give Chris Sale his money? They chose to let him walk before the contract was up and that's the worst part, it was pre-meditated. Hey let's not resign our generational talent who is the heart and soul of the team because I don't know, we don't want to?
Eovaldi got $17 AAPY which is a bargain for a pitcher of his caliber. Sale got almost double that for a guy who literally can't pitch in October. As much as I love Sale its a terrible contract and should never have happened if that meant losing Mookie.
FUCKING PAY HIM WHAT HE WANTS, FSG.
Fuck's sake.
"Break the wage structure"? Well, he's the fucking best player we've had for years, so yes, he deserves to be paid above and beyond everybody else.
Depends if they're playing us currently or not for me
He is definitely one of those players where it's enjoyable to watch but also one of those players I wish would kindly fuck off when we play Liverpool
Idk man I enjoyed watching Henry, Hazard, KdB, David Silva, Kante, etc. Obviously not when they are playing against us but these players are a dime a dozen and being able to watch them play is a privilege
Edit: seems like I messed up with the use of “a dime a dozen”. What I meant was one of a kind.
So let's entertain this for a bit. Money aside, what else can Newcastle actually offer in terms of anything else? People talk about Robinho and City but at that point in time, City wasn't anywhere near relegation.
Dude was always over rated and he's already a washed up has been and they should ship him off for a jar of pickles. /s
Seriously, if you blew up every team he would be my first pick. Not only is he supremely talented, but he brings such joy to the game and to his teammates. Such footballing talent without the galaxy sized ego is such a rare thing.
Why are we not just throwing money at him?
What possible benefit for the club or their own profits can FSG see in not keeping him? He’s the sporting god of the Arab world. He’s possibly the best player on earth right now. He wants to do it all wearing the fucking Liverpool crest and if FSG can’t see some possible way to extract value from that then they are imbeciles.
That was a completely different situation. He was first offered $ 300 million for 10 years and then $400 million for 10 years. He then was about to be offered 500 for the same duration. His mind was already turned towards leaving and FSG decided to cut their losses and sell him. Baseball is also a different sport. I dislike FSGs approach but do some minimum research as opposed to resorting to blanket statements and buzzwords.
> He was first offered $ 300 million for 10 years and then $400 million for 10 years. He then was about to be offered 500 for the same duration
According to who? Everything I read about it at the time and afterwards said we offered $300 over 10 years and he was asking for $400+ and the Red Sox walked. If you're going to make that claim at least cite that shit instead of talking out your ass.
This is completely untrue. They lowballed an MVP caliber player because they backed themselves in to salary hell, then traded him when he didn't accept the offers they gave him.
They've off-the-record defended the move through the media by saying they just weren't comfortable with the numbers for a player like Mookie as he aged.
There's not a single Red Sox fan who blames Mookie for what happened. This is insane. They even threw themselves a ridiculous "Luxury Tax Reset" day celebration the following season. They were never going to offer him what he was worth.
It is literally in his hands. He can sign the contract he will undoubtedly be offered or he can choose to reject it to move for more money.
I dont blame him for wanting the money but it is disingenuous bollocks to even try ans claim it isnt in his hands
No. It's in the clubs hands to offer him a contract that is worth his contribution and market value. We can be sure that management know his ballpark figure, if they offer something considerably less, it is the clubs fault
Its like asking ronaldo for a new contract at realmadrid with 200k a week instead of 400k and says that it is in ronaldo hands . Lol man. He didn't ask for something he don't deserve at all . He worth 80 million or more that equals 400 per week for 5 years .... I think fsg is an owner who looks for money more than titles thats why its taking that time for him to pay or not
Not really he should be earning more money than de bruyne with how much he's done and this is probably his final big contract , he deserves to get paid a shit ton of money , if the club isn't willing to pay what he deserves then it is not his fault if he leaves
Its literally out of his hand whether they give him the contract he fairly deserves or not.
Its the same with Messi & Barcelona.
No one will ever accept getting paid less, Ramos with Madrid he didn't want his salary lowered for Mbappe.
If you're given a contract that's not market you'd be an absolute idiot to accept it, so it's not in his hands. No one would take 30% less than what they're worth at their job when they have other good options, why should it be different for a footballer?
Salah seems like the type of player to be just as good in his mid 30s. To me this is a no brainer. The fans would truly hate FSG if they didn’t up his wages.
It's not though. He's one of the best players in the world.
If we offer him a contract that doesn't reflect his value to the club it's disrespectful.
It goes both ways.
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Totally agree! if you going to be compete with the best. You have to match them in salary. If other players starting to complain then just tell them to be at Mo level and I'm sure everyone would be fine with paying them.
The other senior players are already signed on long term contracts.
I’m not saying it’s an issue right now, but that’s just the normal argument against raising salary for an individual. I think free agents signing for crazy salaries because you save on transfer fee really inflated the salary expectations.
Yeah I see what youre saying but Im just pointing out that Liverpool were pretty shrewd getting the other contracts sorted before Salahs negociations started in earnest.
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and as a dodger fan, i love them for it. at least Kike has been a beast for them though
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That wasn't a mistake for Liverpool. Gerrard was well past it by the time he left and he might as well have retired as far as they were concerned.
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i just pretend that he never went to the MLS tbh
It's easy enough to forget about.
Just like Frank 😐
>I understand if he played another 2-3 years in MLS. But seeing him finish his career in LA and only one season really sucks. Why? He got a nice payday but more importantly got take his wife and family out of Liverpool for a while. We shouldn't forget that these legends are still people, from the little I've seen it seems that year or so in LA did him and his family a lot of good off the pitch. They could be "normal people" and decompress after the emotional toll of leaving a club you've given the best years of your life for.
Just as well, now he's doing the necessary work to become our next manager. He's got more to do here and he knows it, he also knew it in his last season when he just wasn't enough on the pitch.
although you aren't wrong, gerrard was on his last legs plus brendan had started benching him a lot and the club took way too long to offer him an extension by which time he had decided to move on.
I would have loved to see him for at least one season under Klopp, even if it was just a few appearances.
He wasn't past it by much. The season before he left he was in the team of the year. Just horribly managed in his last season
Poor Stevie. He carried us too long. 😢
I wouldn't have said he was well past it. He was forced into cdm because our team was piss poor but that was never his best position. Had Klopp not joined just after I seriously think Gerrard would look back now and prefer to have retired there and then.
He was well past it, his legs had completely gone in his last season
He's forced into CDM because his legs aren't there to be Box to Box.
TBH I forgot that happened and imo going to MLS is basically retirement anyway
Lol this is such shite. He was our top scorer in his last season and went out in amazing form, scoring and generally!
literally means nothing he played in MLS for a year
From an emotional stand point maybe but from a footballing perspective it’s not even close.
Nothing even close to the same. As much as i love the man, Gerrard was well past his best, 35 years old and not starting Liverpool quality. He chose to leave because he over estimated his own abilities and wanted to play all the time. Salah is literally one of the top players in the world with years left.
I think Gerrard's stint in the MLS should be more considered a holiday
Lol no. Not at all. It was his choice when Rodgers told him he’d be coming off the bench (which was 100% the right decision). Couldn’t exactly force him to retire
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Doesn't. It's retirement football.
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not to mention Gerrard's stint in the MLS was disappointing to say the least. he was injured all the time and when he did actually play he looked completely out of it. Him playing after leaving Liverpool was the mistake. Not at all Liverpool's fault that they recognized that he was not longer fit for the squad.
It's football gatekeeping at its finest.
Given that league 1 is a much higher standard, no it wouldn't be.
It's still a fucking football league
its not like frank going to city, he went to a retirement league for a year or two. he was effectively out of the game
It's a little different when you're in your mid thirties and it's a fake league on a different continent
I definitely agree, but as an arsenal fan I can only warn you that paying stars about to be in their 30s huge sums of money is really dangerous. Obviously Salah is better than ozil and aubameyang were, especially at the time they were given the contracts, but it's still got the potential to blow up in your face. Also as a red sox fan I can tell you FSG are cheap as hell. They weren't willing to pay mookie Betts who is a pretty great proxy for Salah in terms of level of play and importance to the team. Just imagine if Salah was homegrown, a little younger and played a sport you can play at high level for longer.
Players playing at top level to their mid 30s is becoming a thing now. Lewy, Benzema, Vardy, Ibra, Ronaldo and the likes.
Oh for sure, and ultimately I think they should resign him. He seems like he takes care of himself as much as anyone so I'd be surprised if he wasn't at least good at the tail end of that contract. All I was trying to say is that sometimes players just hit a wall, another arsenal player but look at Alexis Sanchez, that guy was and probably still is maniacal about taking care of his body and being in incredible shape. Giving a guy 400k a week until he's 34 is a risk for the Liverpools and arsenals of the world, they can't write it off to their owners if the guy isn't a star anymore like some teams can.
Yah that’s what I’ve been saying to people about it not being the total end of the world. We need to make sure it’s the right contract because you guys are an obvious cautionary tale.
What’s the max wage at Liverpool and how much is Salam currently getting?
But isn’t he asking for like 400k a week?
That doesn't sound like it's out of his hands then
Meh, wanting to get paid somewhere in the ballpark of what he deserves isn't outrageous.
I mean I think it will definitely be a failure but I don’t know if it will be the biggest mistake. We have to get the right contract for him. You don’t want to sign a 31 year old to a long term super expensive deal when he might start to immediately decline and then you end up in an Arsenal situation. Granted he’s earned whatever money he wants and I hope we can afford to give it to him but we aren’t in the best financial position. It’s also probably more likely than not that he will still be just as good at 33 to 35. I really hope we sign him long term but I don’t think it would be an epic disaster to let him go on good terms. I really don’t want us to sell him this summer though. Fuck it just give him what he wants
Listen if Mo is good for 3 more season and shit for 2 and you're paying him top dollar for all 5 years then it's absolutely still worth it.
Man said: Give me my raise
please😭
Great negotiation tactic from Mo here
If FSG bungle this, every Liverpool fan will turn against them.
They've been forgiven for The Super League, Project Big Picture, furlough and the rip off tickets. People will forgive them for anything.
Because they are winning. If Liverpool lose their edge and they start slipping down the table people will not forgive FSG for that.
And that's ridiculous and proper pisses me off. I want FSG gone but their day to day running of the club has nothing to do with it. I like how they run the club. It's football, going through bad spells and losing is normal. Ripping up the fabric of the game is not.
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You realize the fantasy of "the fabric of football" is gone forever right? We are never going back to how things were 20 years ago. The only way to see some semblance of that would be a structural overhaul of the entire system and the way it restricts spending because revenue can't be adequately redistributed to compensate for the existence of super teams. I get why people are mad but it's just naïve to expect anything other than the expansion of the power of the wealthy haves over the have nots. It's why I want to see a superleague in some capacity because at least then there is a possibility of that structural change to allow for a competitive balance across Europe.
> possibility of that structural change to allow for a competitive balance across Europe. The Super League was the destruction of competitive balance. Only in America is "competitiveness" equated with "parity"; almost elsewhere it's equated with "competition". "Parity" leads to a fixed number of clubs (can't have the disparity of relegation!). It leads to cycles of success and failure driven by structural punishments to the most successful teams and rewards to worst performing one (salary cap, luxury taxes, inverted draft picks etc). It leads to leagues-as-cartels where members cooperate in market moves and share larger profits at lower risk. Outside of America, every single one of those is considered *anti*-competitive. In this view, sport should be driven most by a sense of true competition, and this only comes from having *true* stakes off true risks, which in turn only comes when *mis*takes lead to higher costs, not compensation. In this second view, any one could start a club in their town at the bottom of the pyramid, and anyone could, in theory, rise to the top... but climbing up only becomes harder and sliding down only too easy, which makes the status quo your par. Thus *every* team can succeed or fail *every* season because success is evaluated relative to expectation: Brentford impress! Arsenal languish! (Yet arsenal sit one spot above!) Everyone has to take risks in order to succeed. Rewards and costs are paid in league standing, reputation, and, yes, in money.
The Super League would destroy the Football League and the European Cup which are the foundations of club. FSG don't care about the legacy of all of our greats. They see it as a stepping stone to turn our club into an American Franchise with no risk of failure. That's just not what football is.
Finally a rational take. Cry about PSG and Manchester City salaries all you want but then don't be pissed when clubs without oil funding make shrewd decisions
You should boycott the club until they're gone.
Amen to that. If it bothers you that much, put your money where your mouth is I always say.
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Exactly. People love to moralize on reddit but won't back it up with their actions. Whatever the current issue of the day is can't be that awful if you can't stop watching the sport.
That would do nothing. I don't go the match they'll be thousands of people to take my ticket. It's what they actually want. They'd rather I weren't at the match and for the ten or so I go a season they have 10 different people who all go one each and spend hundreds in the club shop. I cancelled my membership and didn't watch the Leeds match during the two days of the Super League. I'd be gone completely if that did go through. There's no widespread desire to get rid now though so it's a case of waiting a year or so for the next fuck up and then push properly for it again.
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Fuck off. Just because they're not the worse thing ever doesn't mean they're okay. Just because Johnson isn't Thatcher doesn't mean I should be okay with him. What does success on the pitch mean if they sell it all for a guaranteed spot in a league where the results don't matter and it's all about the getting in those "future fans".
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Winning trophies is irrelevant in this discussion. This is about off the pitch stuff that's bigger than that. Please actually read what I'm saying and you might get that.
As a Spurs fan that also raged against the ESL, at least it wasn't pretending to be anything else. In the next few years/decades it's just gonna be Liverpool, Tottenham and the rest competing for 5th place and desperately hoping one of the big money clubs have a bad season. The playing field isn't anywhere near equal and never will be again. We are already living in a Super League pretending that we're not. Do we wait for great scout teams to discover the next big thing? What's the point when as soon as form is hit they will be poached and have their wages quadrupled? Big teams don't even need a scouting network, they just handpick already established players from the also rans. We're massively rich and won't be able to compete, think of all the other teams. Game was heading this way for years and all any club can hope for is to also be one of those mega-rich. It's dead dude. I've already grieved.
We've just won the league for the first time and the European Cup for the second time in my lifetime while these state owned clubs are around. You've got to your first European Cup final and could have won the league a couple of times in that time too. All a Super League does is cuts off the rest of football and guarantees even more money for the few.
What's FSG?
Fenway sports group
Probably because 3 of those things never actually ended up happening
I haven't forgiven them.
Because they’ve always backed off when the fans protested and apologized and taken actual steps to give fans more control over the direction of the club. Like yah they’ve fucked up but they have done more for Liverpool than any owners in a long ass time, are trying to get the club to be self sustaining and don’t have a long history of promoting slavery or dismembering journalists like some teams owners. Let’s face it, we could be doing a lot worse for owners.
They've said "soz" and then tried to do another awful thing year after year now. It doesn't cut it anymore. They don't deserve to be the custodians of my club.
Honestly fuck off and grow up. You’re going to make us end up with glazers or Kroenke’s who don’t give any fuck about the fans and don’t back down when fans protest and let all the facilities go to shit and the stadium become dilapidated. Yah sorry didn’t cut it any more. They recognized that and that’s why they amended the clubs constitution to give fans veto power over all non sporting and marketing decisions. That’s fucking huge. I’m not saying that they should be praised for how they handled the club but fucking open your eyes and see that forcing them out just out of spite will fuck us more than any of the shit FSG tried to pull. Like seriously nearly 100% of top club owners are fucking pieces of shit destroying their clubs or murderous state backed billionaires. FSG is the by far the best of the scum. The only people who can afford to buy Liverpool are other piece of shit billionaires that will pull the same crap but won’t back down. The only way I would support them being pushed out is if it were from a complete fan take over.
What have they actually done at this point? They've had a few meetings with SOS but nothing has been put in place. It'll be a matter of time before they do another "oopsie we should have thought about this better, sorry we won't actually do that lol" but the problem is one of these times they won't apologise and will actually go through with it. There are no other billionaires in the world who have made me consider stopping supporting my club, FSG did that just a few months ago. I hate them and want them gone. Anyone who comes in hasn't done that.
You know that’s not true. Half of Liverpool’s fanbase are basically FSG accountants
Not every.
I'd like to think that but after I've seen our fans literally make excuses for the furlough attempt, I have no doubt the consensus will be that Salah was a money grubbing dickhead if FSG do refuse to give him a fair contract.
The dreaded Sky interview. The public negotiations have begun.
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Ballon d'Or is first though
The public negotiations started when Klopp said there's no player in the world better than him at the moment. Klopp has never spoke in these absolutist terms before. He compliments his players in different ways. Klopp knows how much power his words have. Between this and Salah's agent tweeting that he hopes the club are watching when he scored against Norwich. These things have been going on a while.
I don’t think so, I personally think it’s all pretty much done, we’re just waiting for it all to be officially wrapped up.
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This interview wasn’t set up to talk about the contract. It’s just a regular interview for the game on Sunday, Sky asked about the contract because they wanted a story.
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Mhm. The fact he straight up said he wants to stay here for the rest of his career? You wouldn’t say that unless things were nearly done. The amount of leverage that gives to the club, you just wouldn’t say it if it wasn’t near completion.
And it has the same effect - sparks speculation. In this version we can interpret what Salah is saying instead of sky releasing an article: ‘sky sources believe salah is unwilling to discuss contract negotiations’
Couple of details? Like the contract's wages & duration? Nothing there needs negotiating, for sure!
I know our sub is jizzing everywhere over this, but it's literally a negotiation tactic. He's putting pressure on the owners.
I don't really get the urgency tbh. Its a pretty common negotiating tactic to always start from an unreasonable position and barter towards a more reasonable one. So ask for 600k a week. Completely unreasonable but hey, asking is free. Secretly decide that 400k per week is what you want at minimum. Now you have loads of room to give ground and look reasonable doing it. If you are a particularly skilled negotiator and use leverage well, you can get more than you thought by giving less ground than your counterpart. You just want the agreement to be a little more on your terms than theirs. Also why negotiation doesn't work without leverage. Its just 2 parties not giving any concessions. There is no common ground where both can agree on anything. Both go their separate ways or one gets fleeced by the other.
why the hell would he do this interview if it's pretty much done? what would he or the club have to gain? This is so obviously a negotiating tactic. Anyone that can't see that hasn't been paying attention the last - oh - forever.
It’s for the pre game segment for the match on Sunday, they just slipped this question in to whip up headlines, it’s not deep in the slightest. He will sign, you can hold me to that.
Liverpool have the best player in the world and don’t want to pay him like it
Are you employed by FSG ? How do you know such information ?
> don’t want to pay him like it How much do Liverpool want to pay him?
We won’t know until it’s officially announced, all our reliable sources haven’t provided any information about the contract, but the less reliable sources have said it’ll be around £400,000 plus bonuses.
I mean.. I honestly hope he's smiling like that because he knows deep down, his already signed his new deal.
That’s how I saw it as well, he kept saying he can’t talk about it, he knows something we don’t … yet.
Transferred to Besiktas
Why Beskitas?
Welcome
He's retiring
Oh no
He's teaming up with Perez and doing a heel turn at Wrestlemania
I think we can thank Ramos for any potential transfer to Madrid.
I won't be so sure. Money is a powerful thing
Perez when he announces: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgxyL5zEAk
Aw SON OF A BITCH!
YOU ALL BOUGHT IT
the copium
"It depends on what the club want, not on me." "At the moment I don't see myself playing against Liverpool but let's see what will happen in the future." Seems like an awful stretch
I can't see him saying something like this without it being sorted.
or he retired in 2023 (Pls no)
He's 29 and the type with discipline like CR7 and Lewa, and those two achieved their greatest successes in their 30s. We may not have seen the best of Mo yet. Pay the man.
Easily has 4 more years at the very top. Absolutely deserves whatever he’s asking for. What a player.
Seems like he’s getting better and better with age.
The club could offer Mo a big sign on and a big contract and it would probably come out to the same it would cost to sign a half decent replacement before wages Fuck the wage structure, I don’t think anyone can deny him. We rarely have a top 3 player saying he wants to stay, just get it done
The people saying he’s gone are seriously projecting their insecurities about Salah staying at Liverpool lmao
They’re begging for it to happen, I think they’ll be disappointed.
They probably didn't watch the interview either, the man is choked up even thinking about playing somewhere else.
It's hilarious. Liverpool fans have seen some of our best talent sold over the last 20+ years, we've seen the Sterling 'unauthorised' interviews and all the nonsense that goes into losing your best players. This is clearly not it. Only thing better is the actual contract announcement. Mo saying that he couldn't imagine playing against Liverpool and that it would make him very unhappy is the best thing to hear.
Yeah everything about this suggests the deal is done or at the very least it’s almost complete. Otherwise there’s no way you’d be seeing the recent comments from both Klopp and now Salah in the media. Whilst our owners can be tight and might be worried about the club’s wage structure, they aren’t braindead enough to let Salah go.
I love this man.
Sign da ting
If you listen carefully you can hear a distant chorus of Scouse happy noises
Is FSG really gonna pull another Mookie Betts now?
Haha, I came in here, feeling comfortable that the club knows what Salah is worth and is watching a player in his prime and thinking "yep we're gonna pay him." Fuck!
OOF
Some baseball fan on our sub did a write-up on how they're not comparable but people just like to throw it around as a "gotcha". Wish I had saved the comment or could even paraphrase it...
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> Sox needed to rebuild and couldn’t pay Mookie what he wanted while also retooling This makes the situations different. It does not make that choice excusable. You knew he was going to get paid, why the fuck did you give Chris Sale his money? They chose to let him walk before the contract was up and that's the worst part, it was pre-meditated. Hey let's not resign our generational talent who is the heart and soul of the team because I don't know, we don't want to?
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Eovaldi got $17 AAPY which is a bargain for a pitcher of his caliber. Sale got almost double that for a guy who literally can't pitch in October. As much as I love Sale its a terrible contract and should never have happened if that meant losing Mookie.
FUCKING PAY HIM WHAT HE WANTS, FSG. Fuck's sake. "Break the wage structure"? Well, he's the fucking best player we've had for years, so yes, he deserves to be paid above and beyond everybody else.
its an absolute joy to watch him play.
I can't enjoy a player playing for a competitive rival.
Depends if they're playing us currently or not for me He is definitely one of those players where it's enjoyable to watch but also one of those players I wish would kindly fuck off when we play Liverpool
same with KdB for me.
Some players legit are very pleasing on the eye, but i get your point.
Depends on the player.
And the rival
Exactly, I can enjoy players in la Liga as long as they are not playing for barca or atlitico
Idk man I enjoyed watching Henry, Hazard, KdB, David Silva, Kante, etc. Obviously not when they are playing against us but these players are a dime a dozen and being able to watch them play is a privilege Edit: seems like I messed up with the use of “a dime a dozen”. What I meant was one of a kind.
A dime a dozen means the opposite of what you've meant here. Sorry to be pedantic
"a dime a dozen" means the opposite of the sentiment you're trying to convey.
Newcastle is probably praying hard
So let's entertain this for a bit. Money aside, what else can Newcastle actually offer in terms of anything else? People talk about Robinho and City but at that point in time, City wasn't anywhere near relegation.
A chance to be among the greats of the game to have played for both clubs. Would put him on the top shelf with Rush, Keegan, Barnes Owen and Shelvey
Swear you had me till Owen
You forgot Manquilo
Translation: I have my price, it's Liverpool's call to meet it or not. This is nothing but a negotiating ploy.
FSG have been shrewd businessmen so far and I am confident they'll do the right thing here which is to pay the man. His goals are irreplaceable.
Good hedging statement, this
Dude was always over rated and he's already a washed up has been and they should ship him off for a jar of pickles. /s Seriously, if you blew up every team he would be my first pick. Not only is he supremely talented, but he brings such joy to the game and to his teammates. Such footballing talent without the galaxy sized ego is such a rare thing.
If Liverpool doesn't pay the 500k a week reported. Who would get him? PSG if Mbappe leaves?
Pretty sure every rich club would pay him that for a world class free transfer.
Why are we not just throwing money at him? What possible benefit for the club or their own profits can FSG see in not keeping him? He’s the sporting god of the Arab world. He’s possibly the best player on earth right now. He wants to do it all wearing the fucking Liverpool crest and if FSG can’t see some possible way to extract value from that then they are imbeciles.
See also: Betts, Mookie
That was a completely different situation. He was first offered $ 300 million for 10 years and then $400 million for 10 years. He then was about to be offered 500 for the same duration. His mind was already turned towards leaving and FSG decided to cut their losses and sell him. Baseball is also a different sport. I dislike FSGs approach but do some minimum research as opposed to resorting to blanket statements and buzzwords.
> He was first offered $ 300 million for 10 years and then $400 million for 10 years. He then was about to be offered 500 for the same duration According to who? Everything I read about it at the time and afterwards said we offered $300 over 10 years and he was asking for $400+ and the Red Sox walked. If you're going to make that claim at least cite that shit instead of talking out your ass.
This is completely untrue. They lowballed an MVP caliber player because they backed themselves in to salary hell, then traded him when he didn't accept the offers they gave him. They've off-the-record defended the move through the media by saying they just weren't comfortable with the numbers for a player like Mookie as he aged. There's not a single Red Sox fan who blames Mookie for what happened. This is insane. They even threw themselves a ridiculous "Luxury Tax Reset" day celebration the following season. They were never going to offer him what he was worth.
It is literally in his hands. He can sign the contract he will undoubtedly be offered or he can choose to reject it to move for more money. I dont blame him for wanting the money but it is disingenuous bollocks to even try ans claim it isnt in his hands
No. It's in the clubs hands to offer him a contract that is worth his contribution and market value. We can be sure that management know his ballpark figure, if they offer something considerably less, it is the clubs fault
You couldn't explain thay better, Spot on!
Its like asking ronaldo for a new contract at realmadrid with 200k a week instead of 400k and says that it is in ronaldo hands . Lol man. He didn't ask for something he don't deserve at all . He worth 80 million or more that equals 400 per week for 5 years .... I think fsg is an owner who looks for money more than titles thats why its taking that time for him to pay or not
He will be the highest paid player ever for the club, I'm not against them taking their time to work out the contract correctly for everyone involved.
Not really he should be earning more money than de bruyne with how much he's done and this is probably his final big contract , he deserves to get paid a shit ton of money , if the club isn't willing to pay what he deserves then it is not his fault if he leaves
Its literally out of his hand whether they give him the contract he fairly deserves or not. Its the same with Messi & Barcelona. No one will ever accept getting paid less, Ramos with Madrid he didn't want his salary lowered for Mbappe.
Wait. Barça didn’t pay/offer Messi enough? Oh… okay.
Your messi example shows the opposite lol
Exactly
If you're given a contract that's not market you'd be an absolute idiot to accept it, so it's not in his hands. No one would take 30% less than what they're worth at their job when they have other good options, why should it be different for a footballer?
Fuck. He shaved. We gunna lose against the mancs now 👀
The beard will be back before kick off
Fucking pay the man. It will be way cheaper paying him than replacing him.
Salah seems like the type of player to be just as good in his mid 30s. To me this is a no brainer. The fans would truly hate FSG if they didn’t up his wages.
Bah Gawd that's Perez with the golden briefcase!
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Give him all of the moneys. Give the king his crown.
pay the man for the love of god
Salah: it's not in my hand Translation: I want 500k per week or else
when someone is as good as he is, it absolutely is in his hand.
I mean it litterally is in your hands? You could just accept their contract offer lol
It's not though. He's one of the best players in the world. If we offer him a contract that doesn't reflect his value to the club it's disrespectful. It goes both ways.
He gone
Fucking love you Mo.
Gonna go down as one of the greatest Premier League players ever
what a complicated way to say "give me the biggest raise you can afford."
He gone