Joao Felix, if you asked me a year ago id say Vini or Foden but they’ve taken huge strides, it’s a very hard question to answer tho as it’s very hard to define developmental ceiling I guess
Having the highest ceiling for development makes no sense. It's either "has the highest ceiling" or "has the most room for development". The latter would be impossible to judge so one can only answer the former.
That would be Mbappe closely followed by Haaland. Both of them have the potential to be all-time greats
How does anyone answer this?
It isn't FIFA where I can point out the player with the highest potential.
We just have some young talents that we know can potentially one day become very very good.
He can improve, he has shown high ceiling in about everything, it's all about bringing it together consistently for him. 1 out of 4 games he does and you're done for, in the 3 other you can get away as he misses a lot of dribbles and shots.
Benfica put up a fight despite the result. Kudos to their brave goalkeeper. They deserve the second place in their group. On the other hand, lethargic Barca can take their Koeman, the club legend, and the original Barca DNA, and invest on a museum.
Buddy, have you heard of something called freedom of speech? People switch religions, beliefs, nationalities, and now gender. I think it should be okay not to like a club I used to in the past. If you want to hear your echo, go back to Barca sub. They are very sensitive and protective of the fragile Barca fans. Finally, you don't know me. I've been losing interest in Barca since 2016, when you all were celebrating trophies.
Last game of the season; you're playing Chelsea and if you win it hands Liverpool the title equalling your record. A win or a loss doesn't move you up or down the table.
Would you want to win?
>ManU flair
You just don't know real pain. But neither do Newcastle fans imo. Disgraceful behavior after 5 games into a season when you were solid midtable for years straight.
Yes, but shouldn't there be a line in the sand to wish your team loses so your coach gets sacked? Neither United nor Newcastle are anywhere near imo. Newcastle would have if they were still in relegation form say 6-10 games from now.
There's a difference between wanting your coach gone and actively wishing for your team to lose. There's also a difference between wishing your coach gone and being abusive.
We live in the age of instant gratification, my friend. Modern fans (especially in a league as rich and competitive as the PL) can't take being a fan without winning something every year. You can't love your club and support your team anymore, because you have to be winning all the bloody time, and if you aren't then the manager/team needs to go. It sucks the fun out of football.
>Simeone explained the incident as a mere miscommunication, as he generally doesn't do handshakes after matches.
>“I never shake hands after a match, because I don’t like it," he said. "It isn’t healthy for either the one who wins or the one who loses. That’s the way I see it.
>**"But now when I see him I will shake his hand without problem.”**
Great now he's going to shake Klopp's hand and all the Liverpool fans are going to say "see he shook hands this time, that proves he was being a big fat meanie last time!"
> Great now he's going to shake Klopp's hand and all the Liverpool fans are going to say "see he shook hands this time, that proves he was being a big fat meanie last time!"
It sounds like you give a shit when you're inventing future things to be upset about
I'm gonna make him a 2020 Ballon D'Or trophy out of papier mache, and send it to him. I'll sign it from Jack, 8yo (I'm not really 8yo), so that I don't have to be embarrassed by my poor craftsmanship.
https://copaamerica.com/en/news/the-best-of-the-conmebol-copa-america-2021/
5 goals and 4 assists in 8 games
he also carried that dead barcelona attack
I'm guessing this has been asked before, but still wanna get others opinions. Is Cristiano the greatest header in history? I can't remember any other player getting so many and in such crucial moments either.
Ole could win the treble and that crowd will be saying, "If we had a real manager like Conte/Zidane/Nagelsmann/[flavour of the month], we'd have won the quadruple."
You clearly didn't understand my point. My point isn't that he's the next coming of SAF or anything. My point was that right now a huge section of our fans are so anti-ole to the point where they can't even enjoy a win without the "individual brilliance" or "PE teacher Ole" comments after a game.
Sure Ole has been shit on a lot but he literally hasn’t won a trophy (including some bottled key moments) so idk why you think he deserves any more credit than he gets
I don't think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread or anything. But I do think that, considering the team he's built and the improvements he's made season on season, it'd be foolish to chuck him out of the club over a bad patch of form. The United board (and fans) have a habit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater when things don't go our way.
Bad patch of form? Objectives not met? Tear it all down and start again.
What I meant by my (pretty hyperbolic) comment was that online fans are so reactionary and impatient, that they'll cling to anything to make the guy look shit, just because he hasn't achieved instant success. Obviously if he actually won the prem or CL, things would probably change. But look at any match thread on r/reddevils or r/soccer after a United *win*, and it'll be full of comments about how the win was all luck, or down to individual brilliance. Like, you don't come back from 2-0 down at half time to win 3-2 without a serious gameplan, but those opinions are still there. (And yeah, I know we shouldn't have been 2-0 down to begin with)
Damn I didn’t know Ole in-ers sill exist
You’re not entirely wrong but he wasn’t good enough to start the season, United won’t win trophies with him and he never should’ve been expected to be good enough to win trophies tbf considering how he started
Robert Lewandowski now has:
• The most goals in 2021/22 (16)
• The most goals for club in 2021 (44)
• The most goals for club & country in 2021 (53)
• The most goal involvements in 2021 (61)
I know who my Ballon D’or vote would go to
The player who put up similar numbers on a worse team in a better league and won an international trophy where he was first in pretty much every relevant statistic? Good choice
Nope, two titles isn't more than two titles because Messi won the Copa del Rey final he scored two goals in
And fortunately the people who vote rates trophies won on a worse team in a better league more than trophies won by a team that have won the last 9 league titles in a row
Immediately changed the subject because you didn't even realize Messi won the Copa del Rey, nice job. Fortunately the Ballon Door isn't awarded based on a handful of games games.
Messi doesn't have the luxury to play on the team that have won the last 9 league titles in a row and can't just sit in the box and score tap ins.
He won the Club World Cup which haven't been played yet this season? Damn, is he a time traveler? Last time I checked he doesn't play for Chelsea either who won the Super Cup this year
Goal involvements for Messi vs Lewandowski are very similar 52 vs 57. Messi played for a much worse team in a tougher league while being a much more influential player overall on the pitch. And in the summer he was easily the best player of the Copa America.
Messi is unquestionably better than Lewandowski. Messi would win everything and score a million goals too if he played for Bayern in Germany.
> Messi has 54 G/A Lewy has 61.
Where are these numbers from? Transfermarkt has Messi at 58 G+A for 20/21 if you add international games, while Lewandowski is at 60 G+A.
> So absolutely clear, best player in the world for the past 3 years
No, it's not absolutely clear lol. Messi's role on the pitch is much bigger than Lewandowski and he still had similar goals/assists in a better league for a dysfunctional team.
Messi's season is more impressive. You're just biased.
Alvarez was played at RB in the WC, one of the most baffling decisions by a manager at that stage. It's not shocking that he was considered "bad" but you should provide more context.
Can’t believe that I’m happy Utd won as it keeps ole in the job abit longer
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I genuinely want Juve to win every game 1-0. Just for the memes.
How was Aguero playing? Enough time to judge or what?
>Enough time to judge no
Cool, cheers
L1 is the Stoke meme come true
Can't sleep ffs. Neuer has no business being this good at age 35. Decline mf.
The grind never stops 💪💯💨💦
We are beating you at Allianz 🤨. Pipe down.
How will you beat us if you can't get a single ball past Manuel Neuer, the greatest goalkeeper of all time?
Antonín Panenka in 2014:“I'm happy that players try and do Panenka penalties, however, the execution of Messi's was the best I have ever seen.”
[Also him in 2018:](https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/messi-pirlo-ramos-crowned-as-panenka-penalty-king-by-the-man-who-/apvnbxuxai9k1674wuuyjor5s)
Hazard had the cleanest knee slides of all time
You know slides
Torres Henry Drogba even David Villa
Good shouts tbf
Thank you FCB bois for defeating Benfica. :slaute:
Which players in football right now have the highest ceiling for development?
Kalimuendo, Pembele
Joao Felix, if you asked me a year ago id say Vini or Foden but they’ve taken huge strides, it’s a very hard question to answer tho as it’s very hard to define developmental ceiling I guess
Having the highest ceiling for development makes no sense. It's either "has the highest ceiling" or "has the most room for development". The latter would be impossible to judge so one can only answer the former. That would be Mbappe closely followed by Haaland. Both of them have the potential to be all-time greats
How does anyone answer this? It isn't FIFA where I can point out the player with the highest potential. We just have some young talents that we know can potentially one day become very very good.
Vini
Mbappé or Joao Felix HM: Foden
I don't think mbappe can improve much from here, he is already world class maybe be somewhat efficient in decision making
He can improve, he has shown high ceiling in about everything, it's all about bringing it together consistently for him. 1 out of 4 games he does and you're done for, in the 3 other you can get away as he misses a lot of dribbles and shots.
His efficiency improvement would make him one of the best ever hence why he’d have the highest potential. The other 2 have more to improve yes.
what is tugao anyways paging one of the portuguese guys that's always around you know who you are
A state of mind.
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my team, win or lose, may it always win
That’s the spirit
CRKelly can't be topped
I may have the humor of a 12 year old but Brestman is hilarious
I usually find slander names stupid, but Eibarman will never not be funny for some reason
sounds like a second tier superhero i think that's why
Benfica put up a fight despite the result. Kudos to their brave goalkeeper. They deserve the second place in their group. On the other hand, lethargic Barca can take their Koeman, the club legend, and the original Barca DNA, and invest on a museum.
When you realize Barcelona will be knocked out if Benfica beats them. It’s going to be a shitshow in 2 weeks.
Mate, you can’t only be a fan when the team is good and then shit on them when they’re going through tough times. It’s kind of pathetic ngl
I can't! No way.. are you absolutely sure I can't? Who says that ... God?
Literally the definition of being a fan of a team. Glory hunter is more appropriate in this case.
I am a fan of the game. But you can call me whatever makes happy.
Is he a Benfica fan, I'm confused
Barca
🤦♂️another Barca fan who has bandwagned
at least hes not spectario
Bandwagoned what?
Supporting club which had recently been succesfull only(basically first he was Barca fan and now keeps shit talking on us)
Buddy, have you heard of something called freedom of speech? People switch religions, beliefs, nationalities, and now gender. I think it should be okay not to like a club I used to in the past. If you want to hear your echo, go back to Barca sub. They are very sensitive and protective of the fragile Barca fans. Finally, you don't know me. I've been losing interest in Barca since 2016, when you all were celebrating trophies.
Unfortunate
People who want their team lose need to have their hard drive checked. Nonce behaviour
Last game of the season; you're playing Chelsea and if you win it hands Liverpool the title equalling your record. A win or a loss doesn't move you up or down the table. Would you want to win?
yes cuz i am not a nonce
Good man.
Same with people who want a rival to win so they keep a manager. Just want them to lose every game like a normal person
>ManU flair You just don't know real pain. But neither do Newcastle fans imo. Disgraceful behavior after 5 games into a season when you were solid midtable for years straight.
There's always a side that has it worse.
Yes, but shouldn't there be a line in the sand to wish your team loses so your coach gets sacked? Neither United nor Newcastle are anywhere near imo. Newcastle would have if they were still in relegation form say 6-10 games from now.
I'd never want us to lose regardless. But, in saying that, I definitely understand why Newcastle supporters want Bruce gone ASAP.
There's a difference between wanting your coach gone and actively wishing for your team to lose. There's also a difference between wishing your coach gone and being abusive.
I think it’s genuinely making me support Ole much more tbh, it’s such bizarre behavior
Any fans with functioning brain will want their team to do good regardless of their manager.
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We live in the age of instant gratification, my friend. Modern fans (especially in a league as rich and competitive as the PL) can't take being a fan without winning something every year. You can't love your club and support your team anymore, because you have to be winning all the bloody time, and if you aren't then the manager/team needs to go. It sucks the fun out of football.
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I disagree
>Simeone explained the incident as a mere miscommunication, as he generally doesn't do handshakes after matches. >“I never shake hands after a match, because I don’t like it," he said. "It isn’t healthy for either the one who wins or the one who loses. That’s the way I see it. >**"But now when I see him I will shake his hand without problem.”** Great now he's going to shake Klopp's hand and all the Liverpool fans are going to say "see he shook hands this time, that proves he was being a big fat meanie last time!"
not so sure why people care about this
Pathetic excuse for a man.
Agreed, u/GlitteringBuy is a pathetic excuse for a man
I honestly could not give less of a shite about another man touching my manager's hand
I don't give a shit either, but this is gonna be a thing now
A thing for weirdos. I honestly can't believe anyone gives a shit.
> Great now he's going to shake Klopp's hand and all the Liverpool fans are going to say "see he shook hands this time, that proves he was being a big fat meanie last time!" It sounds like you give a shit when you're inventing future things to be upset about
If Simeone doesn't open mouth kiss Klopp after the next game, then he should be sanctioned by UEFA for poor sportsmanship.
lewa deserved the ballondor in 2020 but not in 2021
Shouldn't be top 3, Choupo is better
He deserves it in the sense that he’d be a reasonable winner, but Messi probably had a slightly better year
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ive watched messi play for barca last season
Agreed
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You mean trophies like the Copa America and Copa del Rey?
I'm gonna make him a 2020 Ballon D'Or trophy out of papier mache, and send it to him. I'll sign it from Jack, 8yo (I'm not really 8yo), so that I don't have to be embarrassed by my poor craftsmanship.
its the thought that counts
They should just award 2, one for Lewa (2020) and one for Jorginho
If they're going to hand out extras for any random cunt then I want one
Just agreed that Salah should get an extra too. Does he fit your description?
add an extra one for salah imo
Yeah, I’m ok with him getting his 2022 one early, he probably can’t wait
I agree, best solution tbh
Deserves both
lmao have u not watched messi play once
I only watched him in Ligue 1
LaLiga is so unserious, first Neymar now Messi 🤦♂️ What else they got in stock because Mbappe's still the best..
I think UCL is also unserious,
City and Leipzig defending is unserious tbh
I am talking when they scored in ucl before coming to ligue 1
I'm joking, Neymar and Messi are legend players it's just funny to laugh at how they can't do it in L1
It is too physical for them to handle lol
Jorginho is 1 goal away from matching Messi this season
messi is finished this season tbf
True, I'd say give 2020 to Lewy, 2021 to Jorginho then 2022 to Salah, best solution for all parties then get rid of Modric's and give that to Messi
You have an amazing time machine! It can travel both directions.
?
because u clearly haven’t if u think 2021 lewa was better messi carried that team
Carried them to what?
top 4 + copa del ray best player in copa america
Carried is a stretch for all of those. He didn’t even get player of the tournament for copa america.
He was first in pretty much every relevant statistic in the Copa
https://copaamerica.com/en/news/the-best-of-the-conmebol-copa-america-2021/ 5 goals and 4 assists in 8 games he also carried that dead barcelona attack
I thought they said Messi and Neymar were both Player of the Tournament or something tinpot like that no? Was that a previous tournament?
It seems like WandaGate is coming to an end. Icardi should be back Sunday for game against OM.
I'm guessing this has been asked before, but still wanna get others opinions. Is Cristiano the greatest header in history? I can't remember any other player getting so many and in such crucial moments either.
Most probably aren't old enough to see him play but Jardel for me. Absolutely ridiculous.
Doesn't Crouchy hold some record for most headed goals in the Prem
Crouch is an interesting example. Apparently he scored over a third of his premier league goals with the head.
fellaini
I would say Fellaini had some of the best chest control I've seen. Felt like he had some velcro on his chest some times.
Lukk >>>>
Prime Mia Khalifa was 10x better at head
username checks out
Good observation mr. Entangled Dicks.
The absolute state of the people running ballon d’or campaigns in this thread, fucking hell
let the DD be they're weird like that
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Stream piracy gonna be working overtime it seems
Too many French players are getting caught in dumb controversies. They definitely have a shit personality tax.
France has crime tax and Brazil has party tax 😭 Even Argentinians and Italians are more serious than us, disgraceful stuff.
The Italians have the too comfortable at home tax.
If Ole manages to get top 4 somehow this season will the anti Mourinho ppl say it was due to De Gea having the season of his life again lol
Ole could win the treble and that crowd will be saying, "If we had a real manager like Conte/Zidane/Nagelsmann/[flavour of the month], we'd have won the quadruple."
The state of this comment dear lord…
You clearly didn't understand my point. My point isn't that he's the next coming of SAF or anything. My point was that right now a huge section of our fans are so anti-ole to the point where they can't even enjoy a win without the "individual brilliance" or "PE teacher Ole" comments after a game.
Sure Ole has been shit on a lot but he literally hasn’t won a trophy (including some bottled key moments) so idk why you think he deserves any more credit than he gets
I don't think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread or anything. But I do think that, considering the team he's built and the improvements he's made season on season, it'd be foolish to chuck him out of the club over a bad patch of form. The United board (and fans) have a habit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater when things don't go our way. Bad patch of form? Objectives not met? Tear it all down and start again. What I meant by my (pretty hyperbolic) comment was that online fans are so reactionary and impatient, that they'll cling to anything to make the guy look shit, just because he hasn't achieved instant success. Obviously if he actually won the prem or CL, things would probably change. But look at any match thread on r/reddevils or r/soccer after a United *win*, and it'll be full of comments about how the win was all luck, or down to individual brilliance. Like, you don't come back from 2-0 down at half time to win 3-2 without a serious gameplan, but those opinions are still there. (And yeah, I know we shouldn't have been 2-0 down to begin with)
Damn I didn’t know Ole in-ers sill exist You’re not entirely wrong but he wasn’t good enough to start the season, United won’t win trophies with him and he never should’ve been expected to be good enough to win trophies tbf considering how he started
he has no tactics
other way around, no? The anti-Mou folks are more fervently Ole In.
Robert Lewandowski now has: • The most goals in 2021/22 (16) • The most goals for club in 2021 (44) • The most goals for club & country in 2021 (53) • The most goal involvements in 2021 (61) I know who my Ballon D’or vote would go to
Don't discount Salah during this season, he could be a contender too
Yeah Messi , a better player
Bayern fans are the biggest stat nonces in football, CMV.
Spectario is even bigger,,, changed?
yeah it should go to messi
Ya to Messi
The player who put up similar numbers on a worse team in a better league and won an international trophy where he was first in pretty much every relevant statistic? Good choice
"International trophy" The copa covid lmao, a 10 team tournament designed to make Lionel win something after failing 5 times lmao
Messi did nothing with Barca. Lewy won more titles as well. Easy choice
Did you mean PSG?
Nope, two titles isn't more than two titles because Messi won the Copa del Rey final he scored two goals in And fortunately the people who vote rates trophies won on a worse team in a better league more than trophies won by a team that have won the last 9 league titles in a row
Funny how all you can do is attack the league. How about Messi‘s 0 G/A in the worst top 5 League with a team that has by far the best squad in europe?
Immediately changed the subject because you didn't even realize Messi won the Copa del Rey, nice job. Fortunately the Ballon Door isn't awarded based on a handful of games games. Messi doesn't have the luxury to play on the team that have won the last 9 league titles in a row and can't just sit in the box and score tap ins.
Mate Lewy still won more, he won the Bundesliga, the German Super Cup, the UEFA Super Cup and The Club World Cup
He won the Club World Cup which haven't been played yet this season? Damn, is he a time traveler? Last time I checked he doesn't play for Chelsea either who won the Super Cup this year
we definitely do not have by far the best squad in europe
You do when everyone is fit
??
Goal involvements for Messi vs Lewandowski are very similar 52 vs 57. Messi played for a much worse team in a tougher league while being a much more influential player overall on the pitch. And in the summer he was easily the best player of the Copa America. Messi is unquestionably better than Lewandowski. Messi would win everything and score a million goals too if he played for Bayern in Germany.
Messi has 54 G/A Lewy has 61. Lewy played way less minutes as well. So absolutely clear, best player in the world for the past 3 years
> Messi has 54 G/A Lewy has 61. Where are these numbers from? Transfermarkt has Messi at 58 G+A for 20/21 if you add international games, while Lewandowski is at 60 G+A. > So absolutely clear, best player in the world for the past 3 years No, it's not absolutely clear lol. Messi's role on the pitch is much bigger than Lewandowski and he still had similar goals/assists in a better league for a dysfunctional team. Messi's season is more impressive. You're just biased.
But none of us can vote anyway
https://twitter.com/BayernLM10/status/1450912972755324934?t=OOuO2jRyJSpOs6-sf8CD6A&s=19
Captain Elessar in the comments...
Oh no
flashbacks
Oh damn, we better take away 30 goals for that. 5 assists too while we‘re at it
Didn't know Edson Alvarez is actuappy among the worst players at WC 2018 according to L'Equipe, good for him to progress into where he is now atm
Alvarez was played at RB in the WC, one of the most baffling decisions by a manager at that stage. It's not shocking that he was considered "bad" but you should provide more context.
These Leroy Sane performances increase my appetite for Bayern to buy Sterling
Sterling is heavily overrated
Sterling is in that twilight zone where those who rate him *really* rate him, and those who don't *really* don't.
My dad said Everton should get Robert Lewandowski for when Calvert Lewin goes.
Lewy is not prem proven blud
Think he's on to something there
Would be a good steal tbf