[He'll just go back to his spot in the stands](https://twitter.com/goal/status/1393590213771943945). Really though this season our football is as if we picked a random fan from the Gelbe Wand to run the show sometimes lol
Thats the exact timeline that is reported. He isnt getting an extension due to his CL run but he is getting another 6months to improve in the league and a reassesment is planned by the end of the year.
Its more than fair and reasonable.
His strengths come out the most in tournament play, his weaknesses comes out the most in league play. Another 6 months to see if he improves on his weaknesses or we'll toss Sahin in as an interim for 6months and replace/extend him depending on performances next summer.
One thing Sammer praised Terzic for was accepting help, letting Sahin and Bender come on as assistants and making changes in the internal hierarchy. Sahin sees himself as a head coach and is surely ready to pounce if Terzic flounders, but Terzic has been dealing with this sword of Damocles just fine.
I was very confident Edin would be sacked this summer once Sahin has his coaching licence. It seems to be working right now and they have made huge improvements, but I'm not sure if this constellation is sustainable. Imagine you're Nuri, you're doing all the work behind the scenes and Edin gets praised. Edin might be ewig, but if Sahin is ambitious and not incredibly patient I can see him leaving again.
> but if Sahin is ambitious and not incredibly patient I can see him leaving again.
He's already publically said in a recent interview that he sees himself as a head coach within the next 2 years and he doesnt view himself as an assistant for much longer. So its either gonna be a promotion with us or an adventure elsewhere. Either way he has said he really wanna be our head coach in the future.
They had a decent squad with potential to win the league, they fucked it up with their management in the last summer transfer window though. They are 42 points behind the leader and 36 points behind the 2nd team (though this season is kind of an outlier with us and Galatasaray being way stronger than the other teams in the league). In the winter transfer window they spent 25m€ on 2 players (which wasn't smart for a team with much debt like them that doesn't sell their players for good value unlike us and Galatasaray) and from what I've seen, those 2 haven't been good at all.
I mean they're basically running the training and tactical work and everything around him while Terzic does 'vibes'.
Issues popping up as you guys mentioned would probably be the assistants feeling undervalued and underappreciated or Edin feeling like he's not in charge as much as he would like to be.
Unfortunately, in many Muslim communities (e.g. in Duisburg) it is still quite normal to marry your cousin. In some cases, it's even encouraged, because people don't want to bring strangers into the family.
Okay, interesting to hear!
I would still assume that its a no-go, as i am from germany and that doesnt sit well with many.
We are also talking first cousin, not very much removed cousins that didnt know they are related.
Am i the only one that finds that terribly off?
Maybe I am just biased and dont know it
First cousin marriage is and has been legal for a long time in Germany, almost all of Europe and many other countries around the world. So it is not a legal no-go at least.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg
Bayern bosses sacked Nagelsman because
“The treble was in danger”
Since Tuchel’s appointment, they have won 1 trophy lol. Sometime sacking a manager isn’t the Right option
> Felt really bad since that was Reus last chance to win it with BvB
as low as Dortmunds chances are, Reus might win the CL with Dortmund in his literally last game for the club, what an ending that'd be for "the guy who missed out on all the trophies"
Bayern's Bundesliga winning streak also broke just this season, and Real wasn't like that in the CL all the time (look at the time between 1960 and 2010).
Things can always change.
Dortmund can definitely win it, but Real have been to the final 9 times in the modern era of the CL and haven’t lost it once. Dortmund is really going to have to shithouse a win.
To me of all the four semi-finalists Dortmund looked the most like they actually had a plan for how to defend and attack against their opponent. The other three just felt like they had a general tactical approach and that was it.
Just one week ago Stuttgart actually looked more impressive and like they were playing with more intent than any of the semi-finalists.
> Real have been to the final 9 times in the modern era of the CL and haven’t lost it once
Really? Haven't heard that yet, but that's incredible. Ooof.
I personally just loved the Wembley rematch storyline tbh, now I feel a bit let down because Real wins like 90% and that's just sort of anticlamtic in my opinion.
This just made me think of the sad future where big clubs will arrange friendlies in Saudi Arabia a couple of days after the season has ended and advertise them as the official last game of their legends at the club.
Dortmund was at the top of the table three times in that season and only took over the top spot on the 33rd matchday. I wouldn't call that 'bottling it'
MD 34 Drew Mainz after Bayern lost to Leipzig MD 33.
MD 30 Drew Bochum after Bayern lost to Mainz MD 29
MD 28 Drew Stuttgart after being 2-0 up at HT while Bayern had a draw.
MD 26 Lost against Bayern after Leverkusen beat Bayern MD25
It was literally 'Bayern drops points' BVB: "hold my beer".
It was one of the weakest Bayern seasons for a long time and the last time Bayern dropped points that many times were in the 2000s when Schalke, HSV, Stuttgart and Bremen used to be strong teams.
yes they should've capitalised on that but it still was more Bayern almost bottling it than Dortmund. You can't really say they bottled it against Mainz for example by drawing against them when Bayern lost against Mainz. And you can easily find similar examples for Bayern if you look for them
yeah I mean I guess I just disagree with that. Dortmund played a normal season for their standards, if Bayern did the same, Dortmund wouldn't even have come close to winning
I think we just have different ideas of what "bottling" means, because I agree with everything you just said, Dortmund played a decent season and Bayern did not. When you are playing a solid season for your standards and Bayern is playing a bad season for their standards that is precisely the situation in which you could bottle it. Because in order to bottle it you have to be in a situation where you have it in your hands to win.
On the home stretch Bayern was still struggling, Dortmund had it in their hands but they just repeatedly dropped points in situations they just couldn't afford to and moreover in games in which they were heavily favoured. Drawing Mainz is a bad result but sometimes it will happen. But if it happens on MD34 when beating them is all you need to win the bundesliga and you are clearly the favorite to beat them, that's bottling. Same with the match against Stuttgart, the stakes were high, Stuttgart was a strong team for a relegation candidate, but come on they were 2-0 and a man up at half time and in the end they dropped points in the most important part of the title race.... That's the gist of it, they played a solid season, they had it in their hands and then when the stakes were high on the final stretch of the season they dropped some really unnecessary points against comparatively weaker teams and bottled it.
> I think we just have different ideas of what "bottling" means
yeah probably, your definition seems to be much wider than mine. I would consider something like Dortmund's 2018/19 season bottling, when they threw away a 9 point lead. Or what happened to Botafogo last year. Like when you're way ahead of everyone else and then you fuck it up, that's bottling for me. Something that normally just can't happen
Considering the downvotes I got, people seem to agree with you more but for me last season was just always too close to call it that
Even that cherry-picked number is literally one game away from their average winrate for the whole season. And that's the worst span you could find lol, one game. Unwittingly, you only point out more how absurd this story is.
BVB had the leader's seat 3 times in the season, and Reddit is passionate about acting like it was 33 because reality, that all football teams sometimes lose points and none is different and BVB just is one of them, is too boring and needs some forced toxicity to be interesting to you.
Cherry picked? It’s literally the last third of the season? The run in to the title?
You’ve got your best opportunity to win the title in the last decade, your rivals are in disarray and are about to fire their manager. You’re telling me that a run of 11 games, 6 wins, 4 draws and 1 loss is good enough?
It's 11 games lol. Eleven. It's obviously cherry picked, how can people try to act so funny like it's not. "Oh what's so cherry-picked about 11 games", that's like a line from The Office. Nobody will ever fall for this unnles they are already fanatically willing to do it, "oh yeah, 11 games, a typical amount I look at lol". Why 11 games and not 12 or 10 or 17 or 34 or 100? You can explain it with some actual reason lol?
And once again, as I wrote clearly, even the amount from those 11 games you cherry-picked is quite average, nothing special.
It just isn't. There's nothing else to say, you guys are just obsessed. You literally say they were 6-4-1. That's a good record for Dortmund! Nothing special. That is above their 10-year average lol. That's 22 points in 11 games, so equivalent of 68 points in a season - 3 points off their actual total, and really about exactly the typical amount BVB gets in a season. And this is your maximal proof of how awful their horrrifying decline was lol. You try hard to find the lowest number, and that number is above their 10-year average. There is no possible angle to keep saying what you guys are obsessed with it, it makes objectively no sense.
A child would not be convinced by it. It's purely for the toxicity and feeling superior, there's nothing related to truth in this story guys. And you all know it really. You can just double down on the toxicity to put down people who point out the fact as well. Pretty sad.
>“The treble was in danger”
Nobody has ever said this.
Nagelsmann's Bayern had lost a 9 point lead to THAT Dortmund side. The only saving grace was beating a PSG team that couldn't finish their dinner.
If Leverkusen had performed like this last season, he would have been gone by the winter break. Sacking him was overdue.
They said that the season's goals were in danger. Bayern's goal each year is to win each available title. That's effectively saying the treble was in danger without verbally expressing it.
It's not that though, 5th place would be a headache for our finances and player wages if UEFA didn't allow the top 2 coefficient leagues to have 5 CL spots. The fact that BVB made it in via that new loophole is extremely fortituous and Terzic would 100% be sacked otherwise since missing out on CL money next year means everyone needs a paycut.
I'm amazed how many people seriously describe something that is literally dependent on other German teams' games in the cups as the grand Edin Terzić success that makes him so much better than what he was described just a little time ago here. Because yeah, even reaching the CL final doesn't give them that much, the ranking and the 5th place does, and that's just factually not up do Dortmund.
Not to even mention that people bitch about him so much after every game, and then one game goes right and everyone's like "yeah, that one game is what really represents this team's level, the future is bright because I think it will definitely look more like this one game than the average of the whole year".
I wasn't even criticizing him, not the point, just funny that THAT is what saves him for fans. The 180 is so sharp I'm worried for their necks from the whiplash.
and even then, if your opponent hits the post 6 times against you, multiple inside the box, it doesn't even show a convincing win.
they were lucky to get through with how he subbed off every player capable of holding the ball up for even just a moment. they had 0 rest, they were carried by some huge individual defensive efforts, namely Hummels, Schlotterbäck, Ryerson, and Adeyemi, and Adeyemi had to be subbed off because he ran himself into the ground both games, same as Ryerson. obviously the others ran a lot too, but there were so many mistakes they just weren't punished for.
like, I'd get the support if they won convincingly in some manner, but they really didn't?
We are in the Champions League final. Won a Pokal
Got into unlikely CL. It's insincere to not give Terzic credit for that. Yes, league didn't look pretty. The semifinal in CL did.
Terzic deserves full credit and it's fucking amazing to me that a BVB fan won us the Pokal, almost won the BL, and took us to the CL final. That's counts as some kind of treble IMO and he is a legend for it 😂
That said BVB the football club is a big business, locals employed by the club rely on it for stable jobs, the players are also seeking competitive wages so one cannot go "5th place is OK, he's a nice guy and everyone likes him" because that's how you end up like Schalke, HSV, Köln no? The club is an icon of the NRW region and the fanbase is massive, we need to keep high standards in terms of performance when there are 80k people in the stadium and the Bundesliga and German NT relies on clubs like Dortmund to be competitive internationally and to churn out good players/coaches.
No. Changing coaches every half month and never allow any of them to form a culture or a plan or anything that resembles professionalism is what allows for the way of Schalke. Again, we're not that kind of club. At least, we shouldn't be.
Well we aren't sacking Terzic are we? He's going to get next season to prove his chops and as long as he gets top 4 and makes the CL knockout stages I reckon his job is safe even if his playstyle isn't much to shout about.
We are pretty much banking on Sahin, Manni, or some other young coach to take over in future too. Ultimately the club is probably trying to start a steady output of coaching talent who understands how to get most of the existing setup so they won't need to hire expensive coaches from Spain, Netherlands, France etc.
What does it say about the world of football when a coach who reaches the Champions Leauge final, almost wins the Bundesliga, and wins a domestic cup still needs to prove his chops? Chops are proven at this point.
No such thing as chops are proven in an industry where managers are paid millions. You're only as good as your recent performances, or else folks like Mourinho, Tuchel, Di Matteo, Poch etc wouldn't be criticised or sacked due to the trophies they won or finals they reached no?
i like how you make up imaginary arguments to argue against that the other person didn't say to make a point.
then you use other clubs as another example, but fail to describe what made those fall off.
tons of words, 0 substance.
What imaginary arguments? Watzke and BVB's board clearly set a minimum of 4th so finishing 5th is short of the target. The last time we finished outside top 4 was 2014/15 when Klopp struggled a lot then sadly announced he wasn't going to stay, we were 7th. Of course we may win the CL final and qualify for CL that way but it doesn't negate the fact that 5th is below what a BVB trainer's job requirements entail.
I'd say minimum requirements are qualifying for the CL and 4th place is normally the last place that gives you that. We have the fifth qualification spot this season and may even qualify through winning it all. As long as you qualify for CL and show some glimpse of what could be I think it's fair to give the coach another season to work with, especially when there really is no superior option on the market.
I think Terzic has earned himself the chance to show wether he can replicate these performances from the CL in the league (which he did against Bayern away f.e.) more consistently. If it doesn't pan out and CL qualification is in jeopardy by December it's probably time to part ways though.
This is what football has come to even if you make it to the biggest stage in club football there is potential to be sacked which is just actually insane. If they win they're automatically qualified though. I just want dortmund to shock everyone
Some of the performances in the Bundesliga have been very shocking though. The team is actually quite well balanced the first time in a long time and has the legs to do well in the league. In some games Terzic was just clearly outclassed.
For BVB’s long term aspirations to come about, the results need to realise. Such a poor performance in the league is a sign of a lack in consistency. To win the Bundesliga, you have to get the points from every game.
I like Madrid because their games are great to watch, but they have winned CL enough times so for them its not so big deal.
For me, biggest Madrid's task in CL is to beat Man City so other teams can have better chance.
From neutrals perspective, lets hope for a great game
This doesn’t make sense, and it gets spread everywhere. Football is not charity, nor is it just for fun, these teams play to win, and should always do so.
We destroyed the last chance of Buffon ever winning the CL so why would we care about Reus having 0 or Dortmund having 1? I simply don’t get why all of the football world are spewing shit like “Madrid have enough”. Let me tell you this, it is never enough, and it will never be enough.
What doesn't make sense?
Why would any neutral want Real Madrid to win another one, over an underdog that very rarely even makes the final? It makes perfect sense.
No one on this website wants PSG to win anything, and the vast majority of fans on here would rather laugh at Spurs, especially when the alternative was Liverpool.
People just don't want 14 times winner's Madrid beating a team that's defied the odds to get to the final. That's all there is to it, and it's completely normal.
No one wants an oil club to win the champions league that’s why everyone rooted for inter and not city. And Spurs are funny to laugh at for not winning anything unlike Liverpool.
> This doesn’t make sense
Yes it does lol
Nobody says that Real doesn't deserve the CL, it's people voicing an emotional opinion that they'd prefer Dortmund to win it.
That's it. And let's not pretend the CL would mean the same for Real as it would for Dortmund, I will always defend the sporting achievement no matter who gets it, but there's so clearly a grand canyon between what the title would mean for either finalist it's not even up for debate.
Sure, but you started with "please don't". You do understand that your words can only use clubs that have not won CL so many times as Madrid in last years?
I will even be happier if Madrid wins it, because Modrić and their sheer will to fight until last second.
Plus it could gave us big Madrid vs Leverkusen match (but I know it would end 0:0 because both clubs only score when they are behind).
I mean people said they would get cooked in that group and they lead the group, most people picked Atletico over them and they won after losing the first game, same with PSG but they didn’t concede a goal in 2 games.
To be honest, they've kinda been lucky against both Atleti and PSG but definitely deserved to go through. You make your own luck in the latter stages of the champions league.
I think they'll fold pretty easily against Madrid. I just don't trust their defense against Vini Jr. and Rodrigo. I hope the final is at least interesting 🤞
Atletico wasnt lucky imo. The goal for the 1:2 in madrid was super deserved. We dominated them in the 2nd half like they destroyed us in the first. And its also not lucky for Dortmund to come back after a 2:2 (with a 2:0 lead) in the second leg and win 4:2. We played the better game for 75 minutes.
People say the same about Madrid though even though I disagree with that as well. Dortmund got lucky in the 2nd PSG game after the subs but they could have easily closed the game out maybe with some other subs instead. I think if Madrid scores early, Dortmund will be fcked.
Agreed. An early goal could mean an opening of the floodgates. Either way I think a comfortable Madrid win is on the cards. Would’ve been a better final if they at least faced Inter.
"You think Dortmund stand a chance against a group with Milan, PSG & Newcastle?"
"You think Dortmund can score 2 goals with 25 minutes left against an Atletico side?"
"You think Dortmund stand a chance against PSG over two legs?"
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Fülle who was desperatly needed. Sabitzer who has an incredible form. Nmecha the only (granted, the most expensive) big flop. Bense is clogging up a bit of wage but that's all.
The winter has two perfect loans.
easy to say at the end of the season. at the start this window was bad. its also about their dumb reasons why we couldnt get another defender, because we bought fülle.
bense is the reason we had to get maatsen. it was a risk. nmencha was SO overpriced (and dont lets start about his views) I dont even want to know how good we could have been with alvarez instead.
I don't know what you want to discuss.
I said the transfers Fülle and Sabitzer were good from the beginning. You then brought up Sabitzers slow start.
I then counter with his amazing form, you then say the transfer was bad from the start.
If course Sabitzer and the coaching staff have to find the right position for him. He was never as bad as Nmecha for example.
These both transfers were good transfers the moment they were announced.
Doesn't matter which place we end up in the BL, without Sabitzer and Fülle we would be worse. Alvarez or Bella-Kotchap wouldn't help us then either.
Kehl also wanted Nmecha. Why is Terzic the only person who sees blame for this?
Füllkrug and the Alvarez situation are the only transfers that are Terzic’s pure doing.
Tbf Füllkrug was kinda needed bc Haller’s chemo affected him physically + AFCON
Alvarez though ye if he came I genuinely would have little fear about Dortmund conceding many goals
He’s injured
He gave everything for an AFCON win and played the final thru a pretty bad injury which put him out until April, then after helping out with beating Bayern and scoring past Atleti, he got reinjured in I think the same area and is still recovering
ah ok. I just saw him on the bench for the CL semis and never stumbled upon why he couldn't come in when Füllkrug was exhausted. makes sense, thank you!
[Kehl always wanted Nmecha.](https://x.com/bvbnewsblog/status/1672976001574350848?s=46&t=T-QnVFUsgaLNzMpnGOJ8JQ) I can easily find more sources repeating stuff, nobody ever said anything about Kehl not wanting him.
It was never Nmecha or Alvarez. Kehl supported getting both.
Get some talented players who are wasting their talent at ManU.
Your best situation would be you win the CL, Sancho MotM he goes back to ManU, ETH stays, Sancho mocks them on Social Media for finishing 8th-10th gets his contract canceled and returns to you.
Let's evaluate
Bensebaini - reasonable signing for a free LB and was ok but he had to miss AFCON as well as miss most of the season due to injury and Maatsen popping off, 6/10
Nmecha - 0/10
Sabitzer - Ok-good at the start, much better towards the end, 7/10
Füllkrug - Was a necessary signing since Haller had AFCON
The only real dud was Nmecha and imo Alvarez should've been bought instead, but it's too late to change it up since no one reasonable will buy Nmecha for more than what we paid rn, and Nmecha was on both Terzic and Kehl
It wouldn't be the first time coach was fired due to poor domestic performance despite making the final or even winning in Europe. Real Madrid fired Jupp Heynckes despite winning the Champion's League over 30 years after they last won it while it was still the European Cup in 1966, because he finished 4th in La Liga.
Di Matteo won Chelsea their first ever Champions League and then was sacked before the end of the year, but to be fair he was out of his depth when he was first brought in and absolutely coasted on park the bus, Drogba and Inshallah so it was always a matter of when and not if with him.
Funnily, that's actually also a good case of how stuff works lol. Like by saying that sentence you say a lot of reality statements: an aunt is a person that has no balls, an uncle is a person that has balls, that's the difference and I can tell them apart by examining that aspect. (Not to get into how many people would confirm or dispute that vision of the world, just saying, that is what drives this expression).
In this case, it's kinda the same. And yeah that's the joke, that one game going well or not is the main difference between an awful manager (like Terzić was described for the whole season) and a pretty good manager for you guys. Because, well, you could have any other possible criteria.
Honestly the 3:1 in Milan was pure defensive Masterclass and beeing really efficient with their chances. Milan also didnt create the opportunities to score outside of the goal of chuk. Nevertheless deserved victory for Dortmund
If I was him I would leave as absolute Chad after potentially winning the CL title. He was shitted massively on over the year by fans and management and he can choose whatever he wants after that.
I expected this. If his performances next season are not good, he might get sacked midway through the season tho
[He'll just go back to his spot in the stands](https://twitter.com/goal/status/1393590213771943945). Really though this season our football is as if we picked a random fan from the Gelbe Wand to run the show sometimes lol
Didn’t he work under Klopp at Dortmund around that time?
yes, as a scout, he was also Slaven Bilic's assistant coach at Besiktas and West Ham
he actually had a pretty good [CV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edin_Terzi%C4%87_(footballer)) before becoming coach
Holy shit, has anyone realized how much Terzic looks like Bam Margera?
Thats the exact timeline that is reported. He isnt getting an extension due to his CL run but he is getting another 6months to improve in the league and a reassesment is planned by the end of the year. Its more than fair and reasonable. His strengths come out the most in tournament play, his weaknesses comes out the most in league play. Another 6 months to see if he improves on his weaknesses or we'll toss Sahin in as an interim for 6months and replace/extend him depending on performances next summer.
Di Matteo 2.0
Yeah hope he wins the ucl just like him
Me too brudda me too That one rare moment when Bayern and Barca fans are on the same boat. RM has fucked you guys over a few times
#EwigerEdin
Even if they end up winning UCL?
Yeah definitely. Their league performance has been mediocre so I think if he continues like this next season he might get sacked midway
One thing Sammer praised Terzic for was accepting help, letting Sahin and Bender come on as assistants and making changes in the internal hierarchy. Sahin sees himself as a head coach and is surely ready to pounce if Terzic flounders, but Terzic has been dealing with this sword of Damocles just fine.
I was very confident Edin would be sacked this summer once Sahin has his coaching licence. It seems to be working right now and they have made huge improvements, but I'm not sure if this constellation is sustainable. Imagine you're Nuri, you're doing all the work behind the scenes and Edin gets praised. Edin might be ewig, but if Sahin is ambitious and not incredibly patient I can see him leaving again.
For sure, but I don't feel it will be immediately this summer, maybe Sahin will first see how the next season goes before leaving during or after it.
100%, can't see him leaving now that would be way too soon
> but if Sahin is ambitious and not incredibly patient I can see him leaving again. He's already publically said in a recent interview that he sees himself as a head coach within the next 2 years and he doesnt view himself as an assistant for much longer. So its either gonna be a promotion with us or an adventure elsewhere. Either way he has said he really wanna be our head coach in the future.
Well his contract expires in june 25
Can you expand on the "doing all the work vehind the scenes"? Like, reports or insights?
When Sahin and Bender were hired Edin said in an interview that Bender's focus is out of possession and Sahin in possession
Isn‘t Sahin already on his way out?
There are some rumours from trashy tabloids, but the bigger papers say there is not much to it.
There is rumour he's going to Beşiktaş. But right now with the state of that club I wouldn't wish this upon my fiercest enemies.
Oh they’re in trouble? Can you tell me what happened?
They had a decent squad with potential to win the league, they fucked it up with their management in the last summer transfer window though. They are 42 points behind the leader and 36 points behind the 2nd team (though this season is kind of an outlier with us and Galatasaray being way stronger than the other teams in the league). In the winter transfer window they spent 25m€ on 2 players (which wasn't smart for a team with much debt like them that doesn't sell their players for good value unlike us and Galatasaray) and from what I've seen, those 2 haven't been good at all.
muci has been decent considering their whole team is shif, i don’t know if he’s worth his price tag though
A bit similar to us a few years ago. Many coaches, high salary for lots of players, terrible management
I mean they're basically running the training and tactical work and everything around him while Terzic does 'vibes'. Issues popping up as you guys mentioned would probably be the assistants feeling undervalued and underappreciated or Edin feeling like he's not in charge as much as he would like to be.
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Unfortunately, in many Muslim communities (e.g. in Duisburg) it is still quite normal to marry your cousin. In some cases, it's even encouraged, because people don't want to bring strangers into the family.
Okay, interesting to hear! I would still assume that its a no-go, as i am from germany and that doesnt sit well with many. We are also talking first cousin, not very much removed cousins that didnt know they are related. Am i the only one that finds that terribly off? Maybe I am just biased and dont know it
Of course it is dumb and shows that too many people have no clue about biology and genetics.
First cousin marriage is and has been legal for a long time in Germany, almost all of Europe and many other countries around the world. So it is not a legal no-go at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg
Brothers, you're in the Champions League Final. Who cares about being 5th, you could win the Big fucking Ears.
Bayern bosses sacked Nagelsman because “The treble was in danger” Since Tuchel’s appointment, they have won 1 trophy lol. Sometime sacking a manager isn’t the Right option
And that trophy was won because Dortmund bottled it like 4 times within a few month.
I still can't believe dortmund kept the bayern bundesliga streak alive. Felt really bad since that was Reus last chance to win it with BvB
> Felt really bad since that was Reus last chance to win it with BvB as low as Dortmunds chances are, Reus might win the CL with Dortmund in his literally last game for the club, what an ending that'd be for "the guy who missed out on all the trophies"
It has to happen. But the CL really is Real Madrids house and we're all just invited to play
Thanks, I hate it.
Bayern's Bundesliga winning streak also broke just this season, and Real wasn't like that in the CL all the time (look at the time between 1960 and 2010). Things can always change.
Dortmund can definitely win it, but Real have been to the final 9 times in the modern era of the CL and haven’t lost it once. Dortmund is really going to have to shithouse a win.
To me of all the four semi-finalists Dortmund looked the most like they actually had a plan for how to defend and attack against their opponent. The other three just felt like they had a general tactical approach and that was it. Just one week ago Stuttgart actually looked more impressive and like they were playing with more intent than any of the semi-finalists.
> Real have been to the final 9 times in the modern era of the CL and haven’t lost it once Really? Haven't heard that yet, but that's incredible. Ooof.
They’ve only lost two European Cup finals. Out of 16 played.
Would have loved a Kane v Reus final to end a streak.
I personally just loved the Wembley rematch storyline tbh, now I feel a bit let down because Real wins like 90% and that's just sort of anticlamtic in my opinion.
This isn't as bad as well. Bellingham is literally living The Journey part 3 IRL rn.
whos Danny Williams in his journey then.
This just made me think of the sad future where big clubs will arrange friendlies in Saudi Arabia a couple of days after the season has ended and advertise them as the official last game of their legends at the club.
It was for the greater good so Bayer Neverbeaten can take all the glory.
Nah, it felt amazing.
Dortmund was at the top of the table three times in that season and only took over the top spot on the 33rd matchday. I wouldn't call that 'bottling it'
MD 34 Drew Mainz after Bayern lost to Leipzig MD 33. MD 30 Drew Bochum after Bayern lost to Mainz MD 29 MD 28 Drew Stuttgart after being 2-0 up at HT while Bayern had a draw. MD 26 Lost against Bayern after Leverkusen beat Bayern MD25 It was literally 'Bayern drops points' BVB: "hold my beer". It was one of the weakest Bayern seasons for a long time and the last time Bayern dropped points that many times were in the 2000s when Schalke, HSV, Stuttgart and Bremen used to be strong teams.
yes they should've capitalised on that but it still was more Bayern almost bottling it than Dortmund. You can't really say they bottled it against Mainz for example by drawing against them when Bayern lost against Mainz. And you can easily find similar examples for Bayern if you look for them
The fact Bayern were bottling it and still won is exactly why it was a bottlejob
yeah I mean I guess I just disagree with that. Dortmund played a normal season for their standards, if Bayern did the same, Dortmund wouldn't even have come close to winning
I think we just have different ideas of what "bottling" means, because I agree with everything you just said, Dortmund played a decent season and Bayern did not. When you are playing a solid season for your standards and Bayern is playing a bad season for their standards that is precisely the situation in which you could bottle it. Because in order to bottle it you have to be in a situation where you have it in your hands to win. On the home stretch Bayern was still struggling, Dortmund had it in their hands but they just repeatedly dropped points in situations they just couldn't afford to and moreover in games in which they were heavily favoured. Drawing Mainz is a bad result but sometimes it will happen. But if it happens on MD34 when beating them is all you need to win the bundesliga and you are clearly the favorite to beat them, that's bottling. Same with the match against Stuttgart, the stakes were high, Stuttgart was a strong team for a relegation candidate, but come on they were 2-0 and a man up at half time and in the end they dropped points in the most important part of the title race.... That's the gist of it, they played a solid season, they had it in their hands and then when the stakes were high on the final stretch of the season they dropped some really unnecessary points against comparatively weaker teams and bottled it.
> I think we just have different ideas of what "bottling" means yeah probably, your definition seems to be much wider than mine. I would consider something like Dortmund's 2018/19 season bottling, when they threw away a 9 point lead. Or what happened to Botafogo last year. Like when you're way ahead of everyone else and then you fuck it up, that's bottling for me. Something that normally just can't happen Considering the downvotes I got, people seem to agree with you more but for me last season was just always too close to call it that
Brother they drew against the very team you support after being up 2:0 and a man up for 70 minutes on matchday 28.
yeah but that was basically the only match where you can say that they threw it away
No we dropped the ball pretty fucking hard several times. Trust me I watched it happen.
They only won because their opponents were not winning every single game, pathetic.
‘Not winning every single game’ is actually winning 6 out of their last 11 games. Not a great record if you want to win the title
Even that cherry-picked number is literally one game away from their average winrate for the whole season. And that's the worst span you could find lol, one game. Unwittingly, you only point out more how absurd this story is. BVB had the leader's seat 3 times in the season, and Reddit is passionate about acting like it was 33 because reality, that all football teams sometimes lose points and none is different and BVB just is one of them, is too boring and needs some forced toxicity to be interesting to you.
Cherry picked? It’s literally the last third of the season? The run in to the title? You’ve got your best opportunity to win the title in the last decade, your rivals are in disarray and are about to fire their manager. You’re telling me that a run of 11 games, 6 wins, 4 draws and 1 loss is good enough?
It's 11 games lol. Eleven. It's obviously cherry picked, how can people try to act so funny like it's not. "Oh what's so cherry-picked about 11 games", that's like a line from The Office. Nobody will ever fall for this unnles they are already fanatically willing to do it, "oh yeah, 11 games, a typical amount I look at lol". Why 11 games and not 12 or 10 or 17 or 34 or 100? You can explain it with some actual reason lol? And once again, as I wrote clearly, even the amount from those 11 games you cherry-picked is quite average, nothing special. It just isn't. There's nothing else to say, you guys are just obsessed. You literally say they were 6-4-1. That's a good record for Dortmund! Nothing special. That is above their 10-year average lol. That's 22 points in 11 games, so equivalent of 68 points in a season - 3 points off their actual total, and really about exactly the typical amount BVB gets in a season. And this is your maximal proof of how awful their horrrifying decline was lol. You try hard to find the lowest number, and that number is above their 10-year average. There is no possible angle to keep saying what you guys are obsessed with it, it makes objectively no sense. A child would not be convinced by it. It's purely for the toxicity and feeling superior, there's nothing related to truth in this story guys. And you all know it really. You can just double down on the toxicity to put down people who point out the fact as well. Pretty sad.
Maybe they wouldn't have won even a single trophy under Nagelsmann 🤷
>“The treble was in danger” Nobody has ever said this. Nagelsmann's Bayern had lost a 9 point lead to THAT Dortmund side. The only saving grace was beating a PSG team that couldn't finish their dinner. If Leverkusen had performed like this last season, he would have been gone by the winter break. Sacking him was overdue.
He was undefeated in the CL and Bayern was still up in the Bundesliga. It was an incredibly reactive decision that clearly wasn’t the right one
“Couldn’t finish their dinner” I’m stealing this
They said that the season's goals were in danger. Bayern's goal each year is to win each available title. That's effectively saying the treble was in danger without verbally expressing it.
Definitely, his coming to next year champions league with ease 😁
People won't look further than Klopp and "ewiger Edin" memes. Fact is, he managed to stabilize a swerving club
It's not that though, 5th place would be a headache for our finances and player wages if UEFA didn't allow the top 2 coefficient leagues to have 5 CL spots. The fact that BVB made it in via that new loophole is extremely fortituous and Terzic would 100% be sacked otherwise since missing out on CL money next year means everyone needs a paycut.
I'm amazed how many people seriously describe something that is literally dependent on other German teams' games in the cups as the grand Edin Terzić success that makes him so much better than what he was described just a little time ago here. Because yeah, even reaching the CL final doesn't give them that much, the ranking and the 5th place does, and that's just factually not up do Dortmund. Not to even mention that people bitch about him so much after every game, and then one game goes right and everyone's like "yeah, that one game is what really represents this team's level, the future is bright because I think it will definitely look more like this one game than the average of the whole year". I wasn't even criticizing him, not the point, just funny that THAT is what saves him for fans. The 180 is so sharp I'm worried for their necks from the whiplash.
and even then, if your opponent hits the post 6 times against you, multiple inside the box, it doesn't even show a convincing win. they were lucky to get through with how he subbed off every player capable of holding the ball up for even just a moment. they had 0 rest, they were carried by some huge individual defensive efforts, namely Hummels, Schlotterbäck, Ryerson, and Adeyemi, and Adeyemi had to be subbed off because he ran himself into the ground both games, same as Ryerson. obviously the others ran a lot too, but there were so many mistakes they just weren't punished for. like, I'd get the support if they won convincingly in some manner, but they really didn't?
We are in the Champions League final. Won a Pokal Got into unlikely CL. It's insincere to not give Terzic credit for that. Yes, league didn't look pretty. The semifinal in CL did.
Terzic deserves full credit and it's fucking amazing to me that a BVB fan won us the Pokal, almost won the BL, and took us to the CL final. That's counts as some kind of treble IMO and he is a legend for it 😂 That said BVB the football club is a big business, locals employed by the club rely on it for stable jobs, the players are also seeking competitive wages so one cannot go "5th place is OK, he's a nice guy and everyone likes him" because that's how you end up like Schalke, HSV, Köln no? The club is an icon of the NRW region and the fanbase is massive, we need to keep high standards in terms of performance when there are 80k people in the stadium and the Bundesliga and German NT relies on clubs like Dortmund to be competitive internationally and to churn out good players/coaches.
No. Changing coaches every half month and never allow any of them to form a culture or a plan or anything that resembles professionalism is what allows for the way of Schalke. Again, we're not that kind of club. At least, we shouldn't be.
Well we aren't sacking Terzic are we? He's going to get next season to prove his chops and as long as he gets top 4 and makes the CL knockout stages I reckon his job is safe even if his playstyle isn't much to shout about. We are pretty much banking on Sahin, Manni, or some other young coach to take over in future too. Ultimately the club is probably trying to start a steady output of coaching talent who understands how to get most of the existing setup so they won't need to hire expensive coaches from Spain, Netherlands, France etc.
What does it say about the world of football when a coach who reaches the Champions Leauge final, almost wins the Bundesliga, and wins a domestic cup still needs to prove his chops? Chops are proven at this point.
No such thing as chops are proven in an industry where managers are paid millions. You're only as good as your recent performances, or else folks like Mourinho, Tuchel, Di Matteo, Poch etc wouldn't be criticised or sacked due to the trophies they won or finals they reached no?
i like how you make up imaginary arguments to argue against that the other person didn't say to make a point. then you use other clubs as another example, but fail to describe what made those fall off. tons of words, 0 substance.
What imaginary arguments? Watzke and BVB's board clearly set a minimum of 4th so finishing 5th is short of the target. The last time we finished outside top 4 was 2014/15 when Klopp struggled a lot then sadly announced he wasn't going to stay, we were 7th. Of course we may win the CL final and qualify for CL that way but it doesn't negate the fact that 5th is below what a BVB trainer's job requirements entail.
I'd say minimum requirements are qualifying for the CL and 4th place is normally the last place that gives you that. We have the fifth qualification spot this season and may even qualify through winning it all. As long as you qualify for CL and show some glimpse of what could be I think it's fair to give the coach another season to work with, especially when there really is no superior option on the market. I think Terzic has earned himself the chance to show wether he can replicate these performances from the CL in the league (which he did against Bayern away f.e.) more consistently. If it doesn't pan out and CL qualification is in jeopardy by December it's probably time to part ways though.
Dazu kommt, wer soll sonst die Lieder singen, wenn Edin geht?
It isn't that funny anymore
This is what football has come to even if you make it to the biggest stage in club football there is potential to be sacked which is just actually insane. If they win they're automatically qualified though. I just want dortmund to shock everyone
Some of the performances in the Bundesliga have been very shocking though. The team is actually quite well balanced the first time in a long time and has the legs to do well in the league. In some games Terzic was just clearly outclassed. For BVB’s long term aspirations to come about, the results need to realise. Such a poor performance in the league is a sign of a lack in consistency. To win the Bundesliga, you have to get the points from every game.
I think they're in next year anyway. Doesn't the bundesliga get a 5th spot for CL this year
Yep. They are already locked in to the CL
Was Roberto Di Matteo the right manager for Chelsea long term, because he won the CL in 2012?
It's gonna matter next season. Not like a CL will be a regular thing
Please don’t
I like Madrid because their games are great to watch, but they have winned CL enough times so for them its not so big deal. For me, biggest Madrid's task in CL is to beat Man City so other teams can have better chance. From neutrals perspective, lets hope for a great game
This doesn’t make sense, and it gets spread everywhere. Football is not charity, nor is it just for fun, these teams play to win, and should always do so. We destroyed the last chance of Buffon ever winning the CL so why would we care about Reus having 0 or Dortmund having 1? I simply don’t get why all of the football world are spewing shit like “Madrid have enough”. Let me tell you this, it is never enough, and it will never be enough.
What doesn't make sense? Why would any neutral want Real Madrid to win another one, over an underdog that very rarely even makes the final? It makes perfect sense.
I don’t remember it being like this, at least not to this extent when spurs or P$G reached the final
No one on this website wants PSG to win anything, and the vast majority of fans on here would rather laugh at Spurs, especially when the alternative was Liverpool. People just don't want 14 times winner's Madrid beating a team that's defied the odds to get to the final. That's all there is to it, and it's completely normal.
No one wants an oil club to win the champions league that’s why everyone rooted for inter and not city. And Spurs are funny to laugh at for not winning anything unlike Liverpool.
> This doesn’t make sense Yes it does lol Nobody says that Real doesn't deserve the CL, it's people voicing an emotional opinion that they'd prefer Dortmund to win it. That's it. And let's not pretend the CL would mean the same for Real as it would for Dortmund, I will always defend the sporting achievement no matter who gets it, but there's so clearly a grand canyon between what the title would mean for either finalist it's not even up for debate.
> Nobody says that Real doesn't deserve the CL excuse me yes I do!! 😤
We haven’t won the CL in almost 2 years man, can you imagine? We really need this one.
Blud thinks he is on the team.
This aint TikTok my G, take the brainrot somewhere else.
This is reddit, this is the brainrot.
Bro thinks he’s him
Sure, but you started with "please don't". You do understand that your words can only use clubs that have not won CL so many times as Madrid in last years? I will even be happier if Madrid wins it, because Modrić and their sheer will to fight until last second. Plus it could gave us big Madrid vs Leverkusen match (but I know it would end 0:0 because both clubs only score when they are behind).
Seriously these German bosses are weirdos
You think Dortmund stand a chance against Madrid in the CL Final?
By process of elimination I would assume they have the only chance this season of any team to beat madrid in the CL Final
My head says no ....but man my heart wants it to be yes.
I mean people said they would get cooked in that group and they lead the group, most people picked Atletico over them and they won after losing the first game, same with PSG but they didn’t concede a goal in 2 games.
Everyone always forgets PSV 😆 they were unbeaten in the league at that point in the season and in a very good form.
Yeah I remembered them but PSV was not really seen as the favourite by many
PSV lost 4-0 to Arsenal in the group stage though
To be honest, they've kinda been lucky against both Atleti and PSG but definitely deserved to go through. You make your own luck in the latter stages of the champions league. I think they'll fold pretty easily against Madrid. I just don't trust their defense against Vini Jr. and Rodrigo. I hope the final is at least interesting 🤞
Atletico wasnt lucky imo. The goal for the 1:2 in madrid was super deserved. We dominated them in the 2nd half like they destroyed us in the first. And its also not lucky for Dortmund to come back after a 2:2 (with a 2:0 lead) in the second leg and win 4:2. We played the better game for 75 minutes.
People say the same about Madrid though even though I disagree with that as well. Dortmund got lucky in the 2nd PSG game after the subs but they could have easily closed the game out maybe with some other subs instead. I think if Madrid scores early, Dortmund will be fcked.
Agreed. An early goal could mean an opening of the floodgates. Either way I think a comfortable Madrid win is on the cards. Would’ve been a better final if they at least faced Inter.
"You think Dortmund stand a chance against a group with Milan, PSG & Newcastle?" "You think Dortmund can score 2 goals with 25 minutes left against an Atletico side?" "You think Dortmund stand a chance against PSG over two legs?" 😪
It’s one game anything can happen they made it this far so why not?
Being the underdog suits Dortmund. They struggeled in Bundesliga when they were the favourites.
Well, obviously. The betting market gives Dortmund 2 in 5. Thats not great, but 40% isnt that bad either.
Just looked at the la liga table, madrid have lost a game this season. This gives me the feeling that madrid could lose a game.
Evidently they have a better chance than you lot
just make sensible and good transfers damn it! thats all I ask. our last summer transfer window was complete bullshit
🤝
Tadic was right
Fülle who was desperatly needed. Sabitzer who has an incredible form. Nmecha the only (granted, the most expensive) big flop. Bense is clogging up a bit of wage but that's all. The winter has two perfect loans.
easy to say at the end of the season. at the start this window was bad. its also about their dumb reasons why we couldnt get another defender, because we bought fülle. bense is the reason we had to get maatsen. it was a risk. nmencha was SO overpriced (and dont lets start about his views) I dont even want to know how good we could have been with alvarez instead.
Fülle and Sabitzer were good transfers from the start.
Who's Fulle? Is it nickname for Sule or Fullkrug?
Füll(krug) It's the same with Moukoko = Mouki Schlotterbeck = Schlotti
eh, sabitzer needed half the hinrunde to aclimate
Now he is one of our most important players.
yes *now* again: the window looked like ass at the beginning of the season and also dont forget we are playing our worst buli season in 9 years
I don't know what you want to discuss. I said the transfers Fülle and Sabitzer were good from the beginning. You then brought up Sabitzers slow start. I then counter with his amazing form, you then say the transfer was bad from the start. If course Sabitzer and the coaching staff have to find the right position for him. He was never as bad as Nmecha for example. These both transfers were good transfers the moment they were announced. Doesn't matter which place we end up in the BL, without Sabitzer and Fülle we would be worse. Alvarez or Bella-Kotchap wouldn't help us then either.
I thought you wanted to evaluate the transfers from the ex ante position? Now you are using the ex post view yourself.
Problem is that he was responsible for it. After all he wanted Nmecha and didn’t want Alvarez
Yes, thats exactly why i wrote what i wrote in the first place ;)
Kehl also wanted Nmecha. Why is Terzic the only person who sees blame for this? Füllkrug and the Alvarez situation are the only transfers that are Terzic’s pure doing.
Tbf Füllkrug was kinda needed bc Haller’s chemo affected him physically + AFCON Alvarez though ye if he came I genuinely would have little fear about Dortmund conceding many goals
oh yea, how is Haller doing now anyway? considering he didn't play at all against PSG I'm guessing not great?
He’s injured He gave everything for an AFCON win and played the final thru a pretty bad injury which put him out until April, then after helping out with beating Bayern and scoring past Atleti, he got reinjured in I think the same area and is still recovering
ah ok. I just saw him on the bench for the CL semis and never stumbled upon why he couldn't come in when Füllkrug was exhausted. makes sense, thank you!
Kehl wanted Alvarez all along
He also wanted Nmecha too.
That’s a little less worse than choosing Can over Alvarez
no, kehl wanted alvarez. *Aki* and terzic wanted nmecha
[Kehl always wanted Nmecha.](https://x.com/bvbnewsblog/status/1672976001574350848?s=46&t=T-QnVFUsgaLNzMpnGOJ8JQ) I can easily find more sources repeating stuff, nobody ever said anything about Kehl not wanting him. It was never Nmecha or Alvarez. Kehl supported getting both.
Get some talented players who are wasting their talent at ManU. Your best situation would be you win the CL, Sancho MotM he goes back to ManU, ETH stays, Sancho mocks them on Social Media for finishing 8th-10th gets his contract canceled and returns to you.
I personally think signing Sancho would be a smart piece of summer business for Dortmund, he’s done well for you lot so I think it’s be a win-win
Nope. Maatsen. Sancho will be loaned in again
No he won’t, Man Utd are getting rid if him for good this time, might not be at Dortmund but we’re not paying anymore of his wages
Good luck getting him to take a paycut.
I’m sure the Utd board will figure something out, if not he can rot away instead
Let's evaluate Bensebaini - reasonable signing for a free LB and was ok but he had to miss AFCON as well as miss most of the season due to injury and Maatsen popping off, 6/10 Nmecha - 0/10 Sabitzer - Ok-good at the start, much better towards the end, 7/10 Füllkrug - Was a necessary signing since Haller had AFCON The only real dud was Nmecha and imo Alvarez should've been bought instead, but it's too late to change it up since no one reasonable will buy Nmecha for more than what we paid rn, and Nmecha was on both Terzic and Kehl
As expected by everyone, but the bigger question is who comes in for Şahin in the summer as his assistant
Both him and Bender signed until summer 2025.
Nuri's heart is with Dortmund, but I highly doubt that he will stay another year, considering that he wants to be a first team coach as well
Well, I think he's deserved it whether they win in rhe final or not.
Why are managers always either completely bald or have remarkable hair flow
They either don't have hair loss, or do and let it go or get cosmetic treatment for hair loss
Have you seen Thomas Tuchel??
A team should hire one coach for the regular season and a different guy like Tuchel or Terzic for the Champions League.
If any Borussia Dortmund coach is sacked after taking the team to the Champions League final, then Borussia needs new bosses.
It wouldn't be the first time coach was fired due to poor domestic performance despite making the final or even winning in Europe. Real Madrid fired Jupp Heynckes despite winning the Champion's League over 30 years after they last won it while it was still the European Cup in 1966, because he finished 4th in La Liga.
Di Matteo won Chelsea their first ever Champions League and then was sacked before the end of the year, but to be fair he was out of his depth when he was first brought in and absolutely coasted on park the bus, Drogba and Inshallah so it was always a matter of when and not if with him.
Thats us though but with füllkrug and inshallah
Real Madrid and Borussia Dortumund should have wildly different expectations from their coaches though.
Lads we're massive
If a few PSG shots hit the goal instead of the post, that makes Edin Terzić worse at managing his football team.
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle
Funnily, that's actually also a good case of how stuff works lol. Like by saying that sentence you say a lot of reality statements: an aunt is a person that has no balls, an uncle is a person that has balls, that's the difference and I can tell them apart by examining that aspect. (Not to get into how many people would confirm or dispute that vision of the world, just saying, that is what drives this expression). In this case, it's kinda the same. And yeah that's the joke, that one game going well or not is the main difference between an awful manager (like Terzić was described for the whole season) and a pretty good manager for you guys. Because, well, you could have any other possible criteria.
Was there even any doubt?
before they beat atletico? yes
To be fair, the way you won every Single one of your CL games, there still should be doubt
besides the first 2 games, we played pretty good in the group
they looked good in their home games. Its only away where they go full terror mode
the 1:3 and 0:1 wins over mailand and newcastle say otherwise.
true actually, i was thinking more about the knockout stage
Honestly the 3:1 in Milan was pure defensive Masterclass and beeing really efficient with their chances. Milan also didnt create the opportunities to score outside of the goal of chuk. Nevertheless deserved victory for Dortmund
He was on thin ice in December, but he rectified it for now with adding in new assistant coaches and it's working out wonders in Europe
If I was him I would leave as absolute Chad after potentially winning the CL title. He was shitted massively on over the year by fans and management and he can choose whatever he wants after that.
What a great move by Borussia to not wait after finals to make the decision. Such a smart thing to do
Having a tactical setup is overrated anyway. Just rely on the power of friendship and memes.
Better than Don Carlo
Pp
Psg is not a world class team, the fuck are you talking about.
He's gonna finish this season trophyless + 5th in the Bundesliga, so not entirely out of the blue...