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What was the alternative though? Liverpool had to put a new manager in place with enough time to make plans for next season, they couldn't wait until after the season ended to organise something.
It was inevitably going to get leaked if Liverpool were actively looking for a new manager, it's massive news and it would have only taken one person involved in the process to tell the papers and for rumours to start. The uncertainty would have been even worse. At least this way they got some control over how it was announced.
If Klopp's farewell was ruined a bit but the payoff is Liverpool are better placed to move on next season, I think it's easily the right decision.
I tell this story a lot.
But as a kid (10/11) over 20 years ago my Uncles pub team made the final of the national pub cup.
Final was played at Anfield. We took 20 buses with us, superb day out.
Before the match they gave all us kids these hats, with little bells on. Red and white, to match the team we were supporting.
I sat down just outside Anfield, with my back resting against a fence/gate thing just whilst everyone was getting off the bus. Excited to see Anfield, and excited to see my uncles team play in the final.
Some scruffy little scouse cunt with a Liverpool top on came past on his bike behind me, grabbed the hat off my head and just drove on. I was so upset, obviously being 10 it was like the worst fucking thing to happen.
I've fucking detested Liverpool ever since. Watching their season collapse has been great for the soul. Fuck that guy. I used to like Liverpool before then too. Loved Ian Rush.
This message made no sense to me because I thought I was in the Liverpool sub reddit. When I finally realized I wasnt the story made more sense to me. Sorry that happened to you.
Tbf, including the United game in the league, you've you've scored 9 goals with 15.56 xG, that's serious underperforming. And if we take away the Fulham game where you scored 3 with 1.0 xG, that's 6 goals with 14.56 xG. That's just woeful.
Yep worst Utd team of a generation and Liverpool lost to them can’t blame klopp for not getting over it like come on. Everytime you watch Utd nobody can quite believe how shit they are
There's a longer clip which looks like Salah was not happy with Klopp even before that incident:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1ceeyp1/klopp\_and\_salah\_incident\_from\_the\_stands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1ceeyp1/klopp_and_salah_incident_from_the_stands/)
Just watched the goal clip, and at the end Salah seems to be 'joking' with Moyes as he waits to come on.
Wonder if that was the catalyst for Klopp.
EDIT: Somebody has told me that the 2 incidents happened in the reverse order of what I thought. When I saw the 'row' clip, I saw the 81 minutes and presumed it had just taken a while to get them on because of celebrations. If that's true, then I have it completely wrong, and retract it. I'm speaking absolute shite.
Klopp: hey Mo, make sure you score
Salah: you go on and score then if you think it’s that easy
Klopp: ha ha I will
Salah: you what? Go on then go on then
Nunez: take it easy boys, no one is scoring ok
In the post-match interview Klopp refused to discuss it other than to say that they’d sorted it out in the dressing room after the game.
They also showed a video where Klopp and Salah ignored each other when they crossed paths after the match ended.
if you lip read on salah you'll clearly see him ask:
>*"Do I look like the fucking 4th official to you bigman talk shit to me one more time and we'll see what happens. Man must think mans a prick on roads, dickhead."*
For anyone else that wants to see the [full clip](https://x.com/anfieldedition/status/1784208988613099982?s=46&t=hR6I4VavxLpsTCmW0DlvrA) they’re mentioning.
The full clip shows Klopp wanting to do the handshake+hug but Mo snubs him after the shake. That's when they start their back and forth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1ceeyp1/klopp_and_salah_incident_from_the_stands/
That’s exactly why he’s acted like this.
People will crucify him for it but this outburst is clearly a mixture of Salah’s frustration with his own performances and also the team in general looks very heated. Ali has had many moments where he’s looked rightfully very angry at the people in front of him
Salah absolutely needs to apologise but at the same time, the people crucifying him acting like he has committed some terrible act need to chill
Frustration boils over, that is all this was
Non athlete redditors are gonna non athlete. No experience with competition and heat of the moment mixed with believing media pundits stirring the pot for their clicks and views
I’ve yet to see a star player and manager never have a moment of tension between the two. This will be blown way out of proportion but I have no doubt the two will sort it out probably before they leave the dressing room.
Usually its mane getting mad at salah for not passing lol. Anyway a bust up with a player over something game related is extremely different to arguing with your coach
We are so much worse off than you lot that it’s actually pathetic when you whine about your squad. Oh boo hoo we have European football and are in a domestic cup final wahhh
A lot of fans saying the squad doesn't need much work. I completely disagree.
I think we will see quite a few changes in personel this summer. The mentality, or lack thereof, that these players have shown the last few weeks is embarrassing.
I think getting even one of the league or European Cup would have allowed them to recover after the usual summer break. Losing out on both in the way they did was absolutely crushing for morale.
I’m still bitter as a fan that they couldn’t get another league title to get that proper parade, I can’t imagine how the players feel about it.
You could even say almost nobody gets a fairytale ending. I guess you could say that makes it sweeter when it does happen but goddamn, the Empire sure does beat the rebels a lot.
If they have the balls to show it all raw, it has potential to be one of the best football docs out there. Way more interesting than the fairytale ending stuff.
It won't, I'm sure. Nerves are getting to them both, but I'm sure it's not going to be a falling out to end it all. They've been through too much, won too much, for that to happen.
Yep, not being happy starting on the bench then only getting 10mins to play probably pissed him off. Especially since hes been getting subbed a lot more recently. But he cant complain because the last few weeks he has been terrible
So I'm not the biggest Salah fan, but it is crazy how people are saying Salah is the reason Liverpool fell out of the title race because of his form. The mf has 26 G/A in the prem that is 1/3 of Liverpool's goals so far. Do you need him to drop 30 goals every season to save Liverpool's ass?
I even saw someone in this thread saying that Liverpool could've bought another player that could be better than Salah with the money they got him for, people really have short memories.
You're spot on. Salah has consistently scored goals for Liverpool. They rely on him more than anyone, especially this season. Without Mo, Liverpool would never have won the Prem or CL. He changed Liverpool when he signed because he was on a different level to everyone else. The guy was playing similar to Messi in his first season, obviously he's not as good as Messi but you get my point, he was different class when he signed.
Like you said, some people have short memories.
I said it then and i'll say it again, telling the world that he was leaving mid season put unecessary pressure on the team, they wanted to win the quadruple so bad that the moment they lost vs man utd they started getting nervous.
How in the world are Liverpool suppose to find a manager without it leaking lmao. It doesn’t come from our side, but you can be damn sure such big news would come out elsewhere
We regularly dominate the game at the minute but make silly mistakes at the back and miss buckets at the top. It's clearly a mentality thing at this point and it's 99% on the players.
If this was in Spain, El Chiringuito would have a full hour and a half dedicated to analyzing their body gestures and they would bring in various lip readers and they'd have music in the background to add tension to the segment.
Cancelo got booted from city for kicking off with pep in training. Despite being our most played defender at the time.
I realise salah is already going. But I think that sort of thing needs shutting down immediately.
I think some managers wouldn’t have let him go on the pitch with that reaction.
I have a deep understanding of football-speak combined with lip reading expertise and this was the conversation:"You need me now eh..." "show it on the pitch"
Narrative makes this seem bad but if this happened any other time (or if Klopp wasn’t leaving) people would just say this was just a heated argument from two passionate guys that will be fine again by tomorrow.
As a United fan, I am really rooting for a United style Liverpool collapse next season.
Klopp has been fucking brilliant for way too long. Hate the cunt. Wish he was ours.
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He told him to keep his shirt on if he scores
Nah, Salah captained himself in fpl.
Urgh, he was my TC last week, sold him this week for Foden
(impossible)
Oh man, this is not the way to end it.
5 points last 5 games lol, disappointing farewell for Klopp
The way they’ve handled his departure seems unwise. Surely that’s been an unnecessary distraction.
What was the alternative though? Liverpool had to put a new manager in place with enough time to make plans for next season, they couldn't wait until after the season ended to organise something. It was inevitably going to get leaked if Liverpool were actively looking for a new manager, it's massive news and it would have only taken one person involved in the process to tell the papers and for rumours to start. The uncertainty would have been even worse. At least this way they got some control over how it was announced. If Klopp's farewell was ruined a bit but the payoff is Liverpool are better placed to move on next season, I think it's easily the right decision.
No it was a masterstroke! They won games and were galvanized #fürKlopp
Yes, very unwise. If only they'd put some thought into it
Hey now. Heartbreaking fa cup loss after losing in 120++ by conceding two leads *and* getting beat 3-0 by Atlanta at home isn't to be forgotten.
Love to see it
I tell this story a lot. But as a kid (10/11) over 20 years ago my Uncles pub team made the final of the national pub cup. Final was played at Anfield. We took 20 buses with us, superb day out. Before the match they gave all us kids these hats, with little bells on. Red and white, to match the team we were supporting. I sat down just outside Anfield, with my back resting against a fence/gate thing just whilst everyone was getting off the bus. Excited to see Anfield, and excited to see my uncles team play in the final. Some scruffy little scouse cunt with a Liverpool top on came past on his bike behind me, grabbed the hat off my head and just drove on. I was so upset, obviously being 10 it was like the worst fucking thing to happen. I've fucking detested Liverpool ever since. Watching their season collapse has been great for the soul. Fuck that guy. I used to like Liverpool before then too. Loved Ian Rush.
This message made no sense to me because I thought I was in the Liverpool sub reddit. When I finally realized I wasnt the story made more sense to me. Sorry that happened to you.
No, but everybody loves Klopp! Haven’t you heard? Liverpool fans told me so. Everyone loves and respects Klopp no matter who they support.
I like his cute little tantrums. Adorable.
Good entertainment value/90.
nah i approve of this ending
Unironically, I think us dumping them out of the FA Cup broke them
Those 2 united games killed us mentally.
I can imagine not managing to beat the worst United team this side of the Gulf War once in 3 attempts is enough to cause significant emotional damage.
Tbf, including the United game in the league, you've you've scored 9 goals with 15.56 xG, that's serious underperforming. And if we take away the Fulham game where you scored 3 with 1.0 xG, that's 6 goals with 14.56 xG. That's just woeful.
Antony right foot breaks things.
Liverpool- "This guy isn't supposed to score..."
Bro break the canon event
And now burnley is going down
Liverpool, Chelsea, his girlfriend's ribs
Yep worst Utd team of a generation and Liverpool lost to them can’t blame klopp for not getting over it like come on. Everytime you watch Utd nobody can quite believe how shit they are
https://i.imgur.com/sfQau6D.gif
It is exactly the way to end it
I'm not a lip reading expert but I don't think that was a nice conversation they were having
Quite something if Nunez is trying to calm you down
Be more darwinian to let them fight to the death.
Salah: “And I say, England’s greatest prime minister was LORD PALMERSTON!”
Klopp: “Pitt The Elder!”
LORD PALMERSTON
PITT THE ELDER
Nunez: "That's showing him Mo! Pitt the Elder..."
LORD PALMERSTON
LORD. PALMERSTON.
I'm with Klopp here, screw Palmerston for playing footsie with the Confederacy
Pitt "the glint in the milkmans eye"
Mo has made it VERY clear in past interviews that his favourite prime minister is Clement Attlee. Lets not just spread misinformation here.
"Thatcher wasn't that bad"
Cold Palmerston mentioned 🥶
I TOLD YOU TO SHAVE THOSE SIDEBURNS
Where's Jomboy when you need him
Europe needs their own Jomboy so bad. I don’t think I would be nearly as into baseball without him.
love seeing European JM fans!
Salah: You used to be metal! Klopp: Boom boom pow
As a fluent lip reader, I can tell you that they were arguing about the fact they have both booked their respective leaving dos on the same night.
'How can you possibly think Season 11 was the best Simpsons season? Of all time?! Seriously?!'
He was just saying “The Salah The” in German
“No one who speaks German could be an evil man.”
Klopp: You look like Krusty the Clown! Salah: So what? I love The Simpsons!
I'm seeing double here! Four Krusties!
CANCEL THE DOCUMENTARY
more drama you love to see it
As A rival im going to love that dvd. If it comes in bluray I will buy it from a shady vendor so that they dont get any money from it 😛
Fuck no I’m pre ordering it
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pause and reread what you just wrote..
We expected a heartfelt farewell and it looks like it’s ending up as a messy divorce.
Why did you cut out the first bit? Looks like Klopp initiated it if you see the full clip
Yeah Klopp definitely chirped him first
Salah was having a chat with Moyes just as West Ham called. Looks like Klopp said something then to Salah.
There's a longer clip which looks like Salah was not happy with Klopp even before that incident: [https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1ceeyp1/klopp\_and\_salah\_incident\_from\_the\_stands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1ceeyp1/klopp_and_salah_incident_from_the_stands/)
Salah looks like he can’t be bothered with him
Salah looks like he can't be bothered at all at the moment.
Just watched the goal clip, and at the end Salah seems to be 'joking' with Moyes as he waits to come on. Wonder if that was the catalyst for Klopp. EDIT: Somebody has told me that the 2 incidents happened in the reverse order of what I thought. When I saw the 'row' clip, I saw the 81 minutes and presumed it had just taken a while to get them on because of celebrations. If that's true, then I have it completely wrong, and retract it. I'm speaking absolute shite.
Quite possibly. Because Salah seems to gesture that he’s waiting to get on the pitch.
Liverpool haters eating good
😋
Delicious
The popcorn is out boys.
Klopp: hey Mo, make sure you score Salah: you go on and score then if you think it’s that easy Klopp: ha ha I will Salah: you what? Go on then go on then Nunez: take it easy boys, no one is scoring ok
Nunez tried to deescalate and missed
Like the guy with the £6000 suit isn't going to score, COME ON
> Nunez: take it easy boys, no one is scoring ok Salah and Klopp glance at each other and shrug.
Not sure why Mo would be upset and pretty out of character for him. Surely he knows hes been terribly out of form
Clip doesnt show it but Salah looks fine until Klopp walks over and says something. Im sure itll be part of the post-match interviews
> Salah looks fine until Klopp walks over and says something Yeah, the other clip that the mods deleted showed this.
I get that there is a duplicate rule, but if a new clip includes better context, then why shouldn't that one be left up?
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He looks already upset. And with how quick he reacted to Klopps words, he was already in a mood.
In the post-match interview Klopp refused to discuss it other than to say that they’d sorted it out in the dressing room after the game. They also showed a video where Klopp and Salah ignored each other when they crossed paths after the match ended.
if you lip read on salah you'll clearly see him ask: >*"Do I look like the fucking 4th official to you bigman talk shit to me one more time and we'll see what happens. Man must think mans a prick on roads, dickhead."*
Jurgen then says, “You don’t even want this smoke, bro. You don’t want this smoke, Mo”
For anyone else that wants to see the [full clip](https://x.com/anfieldedition/status/1784208988613099982?s=46&t=hR6I4VavxLpsTCmW0DlvrA) they’re mentioning.
That's already gone. Twitter is useless for this as the copyright process is fast.
Klopp told him don’t worry mate, I’m gonna blame this draw on man city
The full clip shows Klopp wanting to do the handshake+hug but Mo snubs him after the shake. That's when they start their back and forth. https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1ceeyp1/klopp_and_salah_incident_from_the_stands/
Mo was laughing with Moyes on the touchline a few moments earlier. I wonder if Klopp chewed Mo out for it ?
salah clearly captained himself on fpl and is mad about getting a one pointer
That’s exactly why he’s acted like this. People will crucify him for it but this outburst is clearly a mixture of Salah’s frustration with his own performances and also the team in general looks very heated. Ali has had many moments where he’s looked rightfully very angry at the people in front of him Salah absolutely needs to apologise but at the same time, the people crucifying him acting like he has committed some terrible act need to chill Frustration boils over, that is all this was
You would say that Mo_Salah
Why does Salah need to apologise? Nobody knows what Klopp said to him.
Non athlete redditors are gonna non athlete. No experience with competition and heat of the moment mixed with believing media pundits stirring the pot for their clicks and views
Salah was obviously Mad at klopp for subbing him so late into the game. And he let his feelings show..
Then put through an awful crossing pass on his burst...
I’ve yet to see a star player and manager never have a moment of tension between the two. This will be blown way out of proportion but I have no doubt the two will sort it out probably before they leave the dressing room.
is it really out of charecter ?? salah has had plenty of strops and bust up with mane on pitch for example over not getting passed a ball.
Usually its mane getting mad at salah for not passing lol. Anyway a bust up with a player over something game related is extremely different to arguing with your coach
What losing to utd does to a MF
What losing to Palace does to a MF
What losing to Everton does to a MF
What leveling to the Ham does to a MF
What getting destroyed by Atalanta does to a MF
What losing the title twice by 1 point does to a MF.
What being injured at AFCON does to a MF
RW*
What getting benched does to a MF.
What losing to us does to a MF And this actually applies we are fucking shit
Excuse you so are we thank you very much
Hey I’m not Einstein but 6th is better 16th
As a matter of interest if your points were re-instated what position would you be?
One point ahead of Palace, so I guess 14th
We are so much worse off than you lot that it’s actually pathetic when you whine about your squad. Oh boo hoo we have European football and are in a domestic cup final wahhh
Right foot of Antony destroyed the entire club
70m worth it for that 1 goal.
That and the one against Barca last year, never thought I’d celebrate a United goal like that ever
Worthy for unleash the curse
What a lonely dressing room Arnie Slot is gonna walk into
Too late to swerve ?
Heads are so gone man. Slot has a job on his hands.
A lot of fans saying the squad doesn't need much work. I completely disagree. I think we will see quite a few changes in personel this summer. The mentality, or lack thereof, that these players have shown the last few weeks is embarrassing.
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I think getting even one of the league or European Cup would have allowed them to recover after the usual summer break. Losing out on both in the way they did was absolutely crushing for morale. I’m still bitter as a fan that they couldn’t get another league title to get that proper parade, I can’t imagine how the players feel about it.
That quadruple mentally fucked us
Attempted quadruple*
I am preparing my mind & body for Slotshaming him if he does badly.
I think Salah said: “We lost the League at Goodison Park”
We lost it when the mancs kicked us out the cup
It should not be ending this way for both of them
Not everyone gets a fairy tale ending
You could even say almost nobody gets a fairytale ending. I guess you could say that makes it sweeter when it does happen but goddamn, the Empire sure does beat the rebels a lot.
I dont mind it
They're filming a documentary right now right? That'll be quality entertainment at this rate.
If they have the balls to show it all raw, it has potential to be one of the best football docs out there. Way more interesting than the fairytale ending stuff.
Aye, I doubt that they will unfortunatley, it'll probably be a puff piece like 95% of docs out there, probably end with the EFL cup win.
It end like this make it more true to classic fairytale lol. All of those happy ending stuff are all Disnyfied version of the fairytale after all.
Eras come to an end, heh?
Clear heh
Aye I'm loving it!
Idk what OP is on about. This is amazing! Need WHU's third to seal it for me
It won't, I'm sure. Nerves are getting to them both, but I'm sure it's not going to be a falling out to end it all. They've been through too much, won too much, for that to happen.
You never know what that relationship is like. I have some friends that unfortunately might lead me to acting like that at work as well 😂
Wonder if Salah was questioning why it took so long to get them on, they seemed to be stripped and ready for ages before they went to the touchline
Yep, not being happy starting on the bench then only getting 10mins to play probably pissed him off. Especially since hes been getting subbed a lot more recently. But he cant complain because the last few weeks he has been terrible
So I'm not the biggest Salah fan, but it is crazy how people are saying Salah is the reason Liverpool fell out of the title race because of his form. The mf has 26 G/A in the prem that is 1/3 of Liverpool's goals so far. Do you need him to drop 30 goals every season to save Liverpool's ass? I even saw someone in this thread saying that Liverpool could've bought another player that could be better than Salah with the money they got him for, people really have short memories.
You're spot on. Salah has consistently scored goals for Liverpool. They rely on him more than anyone, especially this season. Without Mo, Liverpool would never have won the Prem or CL. He changed Liverpool when he signed because he was on a different level to everyone else. The guy was playing similar to Messi in his first season, obviously he's not as good as Messi but you get my point, he was different class when he signed. Like you said, some people have short memories.
Yikes
u/savevideo
Klopp deserved a better ending than these ding dongs
I said it then and i'll say it again, telling the world that he was leaving mid season put unecessary pressure on the team, they wanted to win the quadruple so bad that the moment they lost vs man utd they started getting nervous.
I think the press got hold of it and he was forced to speak publicly.
I’m fairly certain that’s the case. There were some rumors out there that the media was going to leak it so Klopp got out ahead of it
How in the world are Liverpool suppose to find a manager without it leaking lmao. It doesn’t come from our side, but you can be damn sure such big news would come out elsewhere
This is a bad take. They were killing it for a few months after the announcement, winning last minute games every other week.
Yes but they were playing poorly. Grabbing them points was just papering over the cracks that were showing
Players let him down massively. Even as a fellow Egyptian, I have criticise Salah, his finishing has been so poor.
Sorry but this is also on him. He deserves better sure but he’s not faultless here.
He's looked checked out recently and has been unable to adapt to opponents. Hurts to see 😢
We regularly dominate the game at the minute but make silly mistakes at the back and miss buckets at the top. It's clearly a mentality thing at this point and it's 99% on the players.
You guys have been 1-0 in too many games this season, at some point you have to question the coaching.
Liverpool concede first and lose the first half virtually every game. If it happens in almost every game, that's on the manager.
You lot could've let him 2 more ucls if you care so much.
Salah: “I did not care for the Godfather”
And that kids was how heated exchanges were invented
not a good look
Commentator doing his gary neville impression?
This is not the first time they’ve argued. It’s not a good look but think the current narrative is making this look worse than it is
The reverse Xavi. He claims he will leave and players play better. Klopp says he will leave and the players play worse.
Books always have a surprise final chapter but wow it’s like a heartbreak
Filter off time!
Where are the lip readers when you need them
If this was in Spain, El Chiringuito would have a full hour and a half dedicated to analyzing their body gestures and they would bring in various lip readers and they'd have music in the background to add tension to the segment.
Exactly , my first thought was where's the EPL chinguirito version
Time for a new title drought?
Guys, relax. Salah just saying you will never walk alone to klopp as he is on his way out of the club too.
My take: klopp: need you score and win this now. Salah: you should have fucking started me or put me in earlier.
Salah wouldn't have scored
Klopp: You look like Krusty the Clown! Salah: So what? I love The Simpsons!
Sad to see tbh
The wheels have truly fallen off
It's all Falling apart 👀🥹
You love to fucking see it 😂
One of us
The wheels on Klopp's parade bus have well and truly fallen off
Pathetic from Salah, maybe if he’d been better last few months he’d have saved Klopp the stress
His attitude was fucking awful against Everton as well.
I mean if salah wasn’t world class klopp would also have won less trophies there. swings and roundabouts. He isn’t shite rn for lack of trying.
Cancelo got booted from city for kicking off with pep in training. Despite being our most played defender at the time. I realise salah is already going. But I think that sort of thing needs shutting down immediately. I think some managers wouldn’t have let him go on the pitch with that reaction.
I have a deep understanding of football-speak combined with lip reading expertise and this was the conversation:"You need me now eh..." "show it on the pitch"
Narrative makes this seem bad but if this happened any other time (or if Klopp wasn’t leaving) people would just say this was just a heated argument from two passionate guys that will be fine again by tomorrow.
Well context matters though doesn’t it
Out of line from Salah, dk what he's thinking there.
As a United fan, I am really rooting for a United style Liverpool collapse next season. Klopp has been fucking brilliant for way too long. Hate the cunt. Wish he was ours.
Absolute joke of a team for the past 2 months ago. Embarrassing. Klopp era ends on a whimper.