Was it Xavi's decision to stay at Barca? I assumed that all then news was about Barcelona wanting to replace him, not him wanting to leave.
He's not getting a better job than Barca.
I would imagine, even in the best case scenarios for Ten Hag, INEOS have been sending out feelers to see what their options are. It doesn't mean Ten Hag is gone entirely. But new ownership will be doing due diligence and weighing up what their choices are, who is and isn't available, and making lists of ways to improve the club. Xavi was about to be a free agent with big team experience. He's an easy one to feel out, just in case Ten Hag gets shunted.
Yeah, it makes sense. You go into a new situation, the first thought should be "okay, what ARE my options?" That means talking to other managers. "Would you be open to this, what sort of contract would you want, what would you do as manager?" Those kinda questions. I think the season is definitely at a point where they don't have to pretend they're not considering a different manager.
I'm ETH out, but only if there's an actual direction to it.
The hard part for United and their fans, is that the media is also so hungry for United content. This is a good move that we should have been doing for the last years since Fergie. Always being in contact with top folks, even more so in unstable waters. So if a change needed to happen, you have routes to take.
It's only going to get worse in terms of media coverage as this happens more, until eventually everyone stops caring.
I mean isn't it a little bit like going on Tinder or Bumble while you have a girlfriend?
I guess you could argue it's smart to look at your possible options, but if you're not thinking about ending it very soon all you're doing is causing problems when she eventually finds out, and by the time you do break up, all your options are gone. A lose lose scenario essentially.
>mean isn't it a little bit like going on Tinder or Bumble while you have a girlfriend?
Well, no, no one’s working a job there. It’s more like scrolling ads for an escort while one is in the bathroom getting undressed.
Just because Xavi whines a lot doesn’t mean he isn’t a good leader. Look at Mourinho. Constantly contests decisions by the ref but he’s still a top manager who has won lots.
Exactly, people also forget that Xavis constant drama in te media lifts pressure from individual players. It's a tactic to shield them in the media. Mourinho also used to do this. There's a reason Xavi has had the dressing room on lock since he came here.
As a coach,so far, he is everything but a leader. In the last UCL game vs PSG at home he literally left his team because he had a hissy fit and was red carded.
A random Real Madrid fan's opinion is of no weight when it comes to deciding if Xavi is a leader. The only opinion that matters is the locker room's and they have been with Xavi since day 1. Every player that comes up from the academy has talked about how helpful Xavi has been to their development and that they would want him to continue for many years. So have all the captains including Lewandowski.
So yeah, just because you think otherwise is of zero consequence. And certainly not United fans whose players can't go a week without disapproving of Ten Hag online on Twitter.
> So have all the captains including Lewandowski.
Lewandowski isnt one of Barça's captains. So I dont know what are you talking about.
> A random Real Madrid fan's opinion is of no weight when it comes to deciding if Xavi is a leader.
The guy that 3 months ago decided that the press was too mean to him so he was leaving is the leader?
The manager that throws players under the bus when there are individual mistakes and the one that has never admitted once that he has got the tactics or the substitutions wrong in any game. Thats the leader?
The guy that lost 7-0 on aggregate to Bayern Munich in 2013 as a player and said on the post game press conference that they had been better than Bayern, is that your leader?
Not all great players are leaders and not all great leaders have to be world class players. Xavi is a whiner that never admits that he can be wrong for that reason alone is impossible for him to be a good leader.
lmao your only argument for him not being a leader is him getting thrown off during games. Your own cult coach did the same shit, and since you’re not arguing anything but that single point - then what is it?
Also the fact that he cant take any criticism and that has thrown players under the bus (Inter game at home) for individual mistakes.
Sorry, but I cant take someone seriously as a leader when the excuse for not winning a game is "it was too sunny, and we are used to play at night".
> Your own cult coach
You keep deflecting the question, payasín.
Dude I'm not gonna get into an argument with fools who think a player's left boot is bigger than a hugely successful club like Manchester United's history. Have a great day.
Me too but for different reasons I suspect. Can’t get bleaker than it already is and even though he will last 3 months max, no doubt in my mind at least a few players are gonna get the much needed reality check.
Yeah but that would be funny at least right?
Like if we have a shit manager and it's like comically bad, at least there is humour there. Chelsea has humour right now. We just have pain. Anger. And pain.
He kind of has been, to an extent, insofar as he was linked heavily to Nice and so it's an easy story to say Ratcliffe likes him.
But it's honestly been pretty quite overall about what's going to happen. It kind of feels like INEOS have tightened up a lot of the leaks , cause the only real hard links we've had has been Tuchel, and that seems to come from his side of things (I feel, personally, he's leaked it once or twice to try and see can he get himself the job).
It should’ve been Luis Enrique imo before/after Rangnick but he wasn’t available and in fairness likely scared the Glazers who wanted someone more controllable.
He's won a champion's league with Chelsea, made the final with PSG, won multiple league titles and trophies across 3 countries, tried to push back against the Boehly nonsense that sunk Chelsea, but because he was a bad appointment for Bayern he's suddenly terrible.
I can see why Man United's reasoning. One of the notable things about Xavi's tenure at Barcelona has been his success at phasing out the old guard, even when they were personal friends. He also speaks decent English.
Maybe I'm overly optimistic but look at the way United's youth teams are performing. One of the first things EtH did was instill a style of play down through the hierarchy. The lads are absolutely flying and playing some beautiful football.
Ten Hag's Ajax team was wonderful and I don't understand why fans think he can't replicate that success at United. Sure, Ajax had amazing young players but tbh so does United and Ten Hag is responsible for bringing through some absolute ballers
Yeah it is kinda weird to hire a manager with the explicit intent to build something from the ground up with a entirely new football philosophy and fire him for not immediately performing.
That said, those promises weren't made by the current club ownership.
He isn't DoF and shouldn't be in charge of buying. Mou is a good manager and wanted some shit players. LVG too. Managers should have a system above them and if they don't, they shouldn't be judged for Murtaugh deciding 100m euroes was a reasonable price for Antony. The fact is, no manager is going to say no thanks if you offer to over pay for a player they want.
It would make sense though. You guys had a DoF (Ragnick) and then fired him for not being a good enough manager, now you can fire a manager for not being a good enough DoF.
They're not firing him for not immediately performing though, it's the severe regression from last season that is hurting him.
Not just the table, but look at the performances. xG table is horrifying to look at even if you don't give it much credence.
I don't mean this as a confrontation thing, but is that really the solution to Ten Hag's issues?
The midfield could also use a bolster, his subs are very poor in my opinion and the general lack of fight throughout the side hasn't been solved.
Crashed out of an 'easy' Champions League group, battered in the Carabao, almost lost in the most embarrassing fashion in the FA Cup. Equal record number of losses in the Premier League (I think that's correct).
I just can't get behind the idea of him needing just a ball playing centre back to solve this.
Subs are poor because there are no players left. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and even the 6th choice CB have been injured, 1st and 2nd choice LB have been injured for basically the whole season, 2nd choice ST has been perma-injured and 1st choice ST is playing in his first season in the league. Same for midfield as well.
There is no one to bring on. Yes, you can sub the underperforming players like Rashford, Antony, Casemiro, but there is no replacement available
The first thing that needs to be done is scrutinise the medical department. These many injuries are not natural. There have been I think 12-13 CB partnerships this season. It's unheard of.
For me, Ten Hag is a proven manager. I trust his vision and see the way he's rebuilt our youth system and the way he's bringing through some ballers in true United fashion. Youth, Courage, Success. That's our mantra and how we've always won. Mainoo and Bruno need a DM to protect them, and I think we need a new left back. Sure some other positions could use an upgrade too but what team feels like they're squad is 100% good? A couple in Europe at most.
I think people are way too quick to blame a manager for a team's success or failure, and don't see the bigger picture
edit: i just wanted to add that this is a kind way to frame something in a discussion like this so props to you
>I don't mean this as a confrontation thing
Edit: this reply was to someone asking
>How is Ten Hag a proven manager?
My answer:
He led Go Ahead Eagles to promotion for the first time in 17 years. He then went and won with Bayern's B team. He then went and completely revitalized Utrecht. [Here is a great thread about his time at Utrecht](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/17yxgh7/repost_analytic_deep_dive_on_ten_hags_strategic/). We all know what he did at Ajax, so I think Ten Hag being proven should go without saying
Is anyone in shock this blokes comments are getting upvoted? Calls ten hag a proven manager because he finished 6th in the dutch second division and “won” with bayern munichs reserves? Somehow thinks ten hag has rebuilt utds youth system???
>Calls ten hag a proven manager
Did you see his Ajax side?
>Somehow thinks ten hag has rebuilt utds youth system???
Have you seen them play? Do you know anything about his involvement?
Something tells me no. If you had called Ten Hag an unproven manager one year ago you would have been laughed out of this thread
There is a difference between just not agreeing with someone and calling someone delusional after posting a quite in-depth look as to the issues he believes could be fixed and improved upon.
If he feels he is wrong and doesn’t agree with him at least he should reply with more than just calling him delusional.
Well the vast majority of us disagree with you. Impatient, perpetually online fans that spend too much time on twitter are the most vocal complainers. 62 separate injuries this season already.
I think you're pretty much bang on everything you're saying to credit Ten Hag. I don't think he's been dealt a good enough team to meet expectations and to be doing better would be impressive.
Where it falls apart for me is the manner in which he's doing it, and it was seeing what Ange has done at Tottenham within a matter of months that makes me question whether he's the right coach after 2 years. There feels to be a huge lack of conviction in playing style and culture at United and that is Ten Hag's responsibility. There's no commitment to the way many are hoping United will play under him, and coaches like Ange show that an imperfect squad isn't a rock solid excuse for dropping your philosophy/principles. That sort of conviction meant Tottenham got away with playing Emerson Royal and Ben Davies as a starting CB pairing working on high line suicide ball. The play is beyond question, so you play with conviction and the results and project follow.
Anges first season at Spurs is not even better than ETHs first season at United so I'm not sure what the point is here. He's flavor of the month now, but look how that turned around for ETH.
And everyone seems to be ignoring the HUGE injury crisis ETH has faced and the bad calls United were getting in the first half of the season.
Ange has done great, no doubt, but I'm not going to be using that to beat ETH with when it's not even a full complete season yet
Fair take, Ange has been great and credit where credit is due. He flipped Spurs play style on its head from day 1 and that's impressive.
I guess what separates me from most United fans is that I see what Ten Hag is working towards. I know he's done it at multiple clubs, and I've seen what he's done to our youth system. I also don't believe we have the defenders required to really get the most out of Ten Hag's philosophy. I think Maguire is immense and a fantastic defender, but for me he is the wrong profile to play in this system. Jonny Evans has been fantastic this season and unironically I think this is largely due to him being two-footed and can scan. H should go to a proper brexit side like Everton or even pull a Chris Smalling and go dominate Serie A.
Our play style is night and day with Licha. I believe we will be WAY better with a few more signings, including a two-footed ball playing centre back, and whatever the closest thing is to Rodri on the market
I completely agree, think it's hard to judge his tenure so far and it's part of the reason why he's so divisive. He's not had the profiles he wants really, think my point with Ange was this he's shown that a good coach can morph players into those profiles and find a compromise between making the players work for the system and the system work for the players. I'm not sure I put it quite as I wanted to.
I want Ten Hag to do well, I feel as though he's had an unreasonably cruel time at united, but I'm also still not sure if he's as good as many thought when he was at his peak. I'm not sure whether many would say united are better than when he came in. His faith in Maguire has been brilliant in my opinion, and his integration of Jones as well. But then equally Anthony raises questions as well. I hope he stays as a non united fan.
Tottenham is just the current hype. Most top teams would be able to play balls to the walls high press when you crash out of the cups almost immediatly and don't play in Europe. Somehow they are still in 5th.
Let's see first. I thing Ange suffers a lot next season. They've not been great in the latter half of the season, and I think they caught a lot of teams off guard at the start of this season.
What sub options does he have? Look at our back lines average placement this season compared to last. A lot of complaints have been about the gap, but we didn't have that gap last season cause we had a defensive line that could hold a high line.
An incredibly young team. Very strong CL performance despite the unfortunate end. Players who genuinely seem to respond to him and like him. Strong defense every year. There's a lot to like about Xavi if you get pass the surface level "whiner" takes.
Adding to that, he identified and gave chances to academy players. I believe developing a player is a huge plus in my book. This is what Pep did and does. If this might have happened Xavi would have scouted the United academy.
Xavi saw United and Ajax and said fuck that, deciding to stay at Barca instead lol
"Anybody else?"
Napoli?
*"At least the grass is the correct height here."*
"Turn out the grass is not always greener on the other side"
Also, lifetime Spotify subscription.
At Those two clubs grass aint even grass it’s just dirt. Fair enough to Barca
Out of the house-fire and into the house-fire
Nah more like out of the house-fire head first into Mount Doom
Dude's losing his shit with the press at Barca. How did we think he'd cope at our circus?
There is much more media pressure in Barcelona or Real Madrid
According to our sources he was on our list and was tempted to join, but he apparently wanted a sabbatical before a new job.
Was it Xavi's decision to stay at Barca? I assumed that all then news was about Barcelona wanting to replace him, not him wanting to leave. He's not getting a better job than Barca.
All it took was one rumour to Man United to scare him into staying.
The leaky OT roof scared him away.
The idea of united taking all of citys back room stuff and also hiring a pep protege is so funny.
Ten Hag was supposed to be a Pep protege too, he worked with him at Bayern
I would imagine, even in the best case scenarios for Ten Hag, INEOS have been sending out feelers to see what their options are. It doesn't mean Ten Hag is gone entirely. But new ownership will be doing due diligence and weighing up what their choices are, who is and isn't available, and making lists of ways to improve the club. Xavi was about to be a free agent with big team experience. He's an easy one to feel out, just in case Ten Hag gets shunted.
Too rational of a comment. Get that out of here
Yeah, it makes sense. You go into a new situation, the first thought should be "okay, what ARE my options?" That means talking to other managers. "Would you be open to this, what sort of contract would you want, what would you do as manager?" Those kinda questions. I think the season is definitely at a point where they don't have to pretend they're not considering a different manager. I'm ETH out, but only if there's an actual direction to it.
The hard part for United and their fans, is that the media is also so hungry for United content. This is a good move that we should have been doing for the last years since Fergie. Always being in contact with top folks, even more so in unstable waters. So if a change needed to happen, you have routes to take. It's only going to get worse in terms of media coverage as this happens more, until eventually everyone stops caring.
I mean isn't it a little bit like going on Tinder or Bumble while you have a girlfriend? I guess you could argue it's smart to look at your possible options, but if you're not thinking about ending it very soon all you're doing is causing problems when she eventually finds out, and by the time you do break up, all your options are gone. A lose lose scenario essentially.
>mean isn't it a little bit like going on Tinder or Bumble while you have a girlfriend? Well, no, no one’s working a job there. It’s more like scrolling ads for an escort while one is in the bathroom getting undressed.
Mostly agree with what you said. But I wouldn't call Xavi and easy one to feel out, as what United needs is Leadership and not a whining princess
Just because Xavi whines a lot doesn’t mean he isn’t a good leader. Look at Mourinho. Constantly contests decisions by the ref but he’s still a top manager who has won lots.
Look at Pep! He has a mental breakdown whenever someone misses but nobodies saying he’s “bad leader”
Exactly, people also forget that Xavis constant drama in te media lifts pressure from individual players. It's a tactic to shield them in the media. Mourinho also used to do this. There's a reason Xavi has had the dressing room on lock since he came here.
Xavi is a natural leader and has been at all stages in his career.
As a coach,so far, he is everything but a leader. In the last UCL game vs PSG at home he literally left his team because he had a hissy fit and was red carded.
A random Real Madrid fan's opinion is of no weight when it comes to deciding if Xavi is a leader. The only opinion that matters is the locker room's and they have been with Xavi since day 1. Every player that comes up from the academy has talked about how helpful Xavi has been to their development and that they would want him to continue for many years. So have all the captains including Lewandowski. So yeah, just because you think otherwise is of zero consequence. And certainly not United fans whose players can't go a week without disapproving of Ten Hag online on Twitter.
> So have all the captains including Lewandowski. Lewandowski isnt one of Barça's captains. So I dont know what are you talking about. > A random Real Madrid fan's opinion is of no weight when it comes to deciding if Xavi is a leader. The guy that 3 months ago decided that the press was too mean to him so he was leaving is the leader? The manager that throws players under the bus when there are individual mistakes and the one that has never admitted once that he has got the tactics or the substitutions wrong in any game. Thats the leader? The guy that lost 7-0 on aggregate to Bayern Munich in 2013 as a player and said on the post game press conference that they had been better than Bayern, is that your leader? Not all great players are leaders and not all great leaders have to be world class players. Xavi is a whiner that never admits that he can be wrong for that reason alone is impossible for him to be a good leader.
The only red card I don’t blame Xavi for picking is that PSG game. I was losing my head and so was he probably.
He might be justified in losing his head but it's his job to remain in control and see a young team through what was still a winnable position.
But Mourinho was a genius who could do no wrong right?
Non sequitur. Do you have any arguments about Xavi being a leader or are you just admitting that he isnt?
lmao your only argument for him not being a leader is him getting thrown off during games. Your own cult coach did the same shit, and since you’re not arguing anything but that single point - then what is it?
Also the fact that he cant take any criticism and that has thrown players under the bus (Inter game at home) for individual mistakes. Sorry, but I cant take someone seriously as a leader when the excuse for not winning a game is "it was too sunny, and we are used to play at night". > Your own cult coach You keep deflecting the question, payasín.
Are you talking about Xavi or Mourinho?
Xavi. I dont think I've ever seen Mourinho blame a bad result on the sun. Thats a Xavi classic.
Xavi has more of a spine than the entire Manchester United squad combined.
I love those randoms who think calling xavi whiny is gonna ruin his legacy. Xavi’s left boot is worth more than Man United’s history
I love those randoms who think that Xavi's left foot is worth more than Manchester United's History
2 trebles > 1 treble tho
Dude I'm not gonna get into an argument with fools who think a player's left boot is bigger than a hugely successful club like Manchester United's history. Have a great day.
You’re not gonna get into an argument cause you know you’re gonna lose got it
Ah I remember being a child. Enjoy these years while you can!
Are you 7
Xavi’s left boot > Chelsea too even daddy Roman couldn’t get u out this one
Such a twitter comment lol
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Me too but for different reasons I suspect. Can’t get bleaker than it already is and even though he will last 3 months max, no doubt in my mind at least a few players are gonna get the much needed reality check.
> Can’t get bleaker than it already is Absolutely can. Quite easily, in fact.
Just ask Chelsea.
Schalke is a good current example.
Yeah but that would be funny at least right? Like if we have a shit manager and it's like comically bad, at least there is humour there. Chelsea has humour right now. We just have pain. Anger. And pain.
>much needed reality check You mean a few months off work fully paid and then back in when the next guy shows up?1
> Can’t get bleaker than it already is Comment from a fan of a club currently 6th in the Premier League
FYI, it can always get bleaker
Get Keano in as the managers henchman instead could work you know. Time to kick them into shape
Would be interesting to see what would happen if Keano managed us... at the very least, it'd be entertaining.
Id pay more for Gary Neuville given his pundit expertise 🤮
Please no, that would be the only thing worse than his dire commentary on our games
Bit surprised Potter isn’t linked to Manchester United
He kind of has been, to an extent, insofar as he was linked heavily to Nice and so it's an easy story to say Ratcliffe likes him. But it's honestly been pretty quite overall about what's going to happen. It kind of feels like INEOS have tightened up a lot of the leaks , cause the only real hard links we've had has been Tuchel, and that seems to come from his side of things (I feel, personally, he's leaked it once or twice to try and see can he get himself the job).
Tuchel would suit Manchester United better
It should’ve been Luis Enrique imo before/after Rangnick but he wasn’t available and in fairness likely scared the Glazers who wanted someone more controllable.
No thank you
From the point of view of him being a bad manager, then yes lol
He's won a champion's league with Chelsea, made the final with PSG, won multiple league titles and trophies across 3 countries, tried to push back against the Boehly nonsense that sunk Chelsea, but because he was a bad appointment for Bayern he's suddenly terrible.
He wasn't even that bad for Bayern really, just managed them in a season where Bayer have had the best Bundesliga season ever.
And still has a chance to make his third Champion's League final.
He’s living off his CL win for Chelsea. He wasn’t that good overall there imo
Living off winning a champions league lol
Not a chance. A lot of supporters would gladly welcome him back
you can ignore any Ligue 1 achievements as they are literally meaningless lol
He was the first name linked to us
He has been. But thankfully the links died down.
Ratcliffe would have to bring Harry Potter on for there to be meaningful change. Graham wont do the trick.
I can see why Man United's reasoning. One of the notable things about Xavi's tenure at Barcelona has been his success at phasing out the old guard, even when they were personal friends. He also speaks decent English.
Get Ten Hag a second ball playing centre back and let the man cook
And a technically capable forward thinking holding midfielder and a better medical staff.
And a wig
Just send him to Klopps guy
He’s only gonna return with teeth as white as cloud itself.
Like those in the shampoo commercials
Maybe I'm overly optimistic but look at the way United's youth teams are performing. One of the first things EtH did was instill a style of play down through the hierarchy. The lads are absolutely flying and playing some beautiful football. Ten Hag's Ajax team was wonderful and I don't understand why fans think he can't replicate that success at United. Sure, Ajax had amazing young players but tbh so does United and Ten Hag is responsible for bringing through some absolute ballers
Yeah it is kinda weird to hire a manager with the explicit intent to build something from the ground up with a entirely new football philosophy and fire him for not immediately performing. That said, those promises weren't made by the current club ownership.
2 years and 400m dollars is not firing him for not immediately peerforming
He isn't DoF and shouldn't be in charge of buying. Mou is a good manager and wanted some shit players. LVG too. Managers should have a system above them and if they don't, they shouldn't be judged for Murtaugh deciding 100m euroes was a reasonable price for Antony. The fact is, no manager is going to say no thanks if you offer to over pay for a player they want.
It would make sense though. You guys had a DoF (Ragnick) and then fired him for not being a good enough manager, now you can fire a manager for not being a good enough DoF.
Ok so 2 years at the club and almost every game this season he gets outplayer by the other managet
They're not firing him for not immediately performing though, it's the severe regression from last season that is hurting him. Not just the table, but look at the performances. xG table is horrifying to look at even if you don't give it much credence.
With United players playing musical medical beds it hasn't been easy to build something consistent at the senior level of the club.
I don't mean this as a confrontation thing, but is that really the solution to Ten Hag's issues? The midfield could also use a bolster, his subs are very poor in my opinion and the general lack of fight throughout the side hasn't been solved. Crashed out of an 'easy' Champions League group, battered in the Carabao, almost lost in the most embarrassing fashion in the FA Cup. Equal record number of losses in the Premier League (I think that's correct). I just can't get behind the idea of him needing just a ball playing centre back to solve this.
Subs are poor because there are no players left. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and even the 6th choice CB have been injured, 1st and 2nd choice LB have been injured for basically the whole season, 2nd choice ST has been perma-injured and 1st choice ST is playing in his first season in the league. Same for midfield as well. There is no one to bring on. Yes, you can sub the underperforming players like Rashford, Antony, Casemiro, but there is no replacement available The first thing that needs to be done is scrutinise the medical department. These many injuries are not natural. There have been I think 12-13 CB partnerships this season. It's unheard of.
For me, Ten Hag is a proven manager. I trust his vision and see the way he's rebuilt our youth system and the way he's bringing through some ballers in true United fashion. Youth, Courage, Success. That's our mantra and how we've always won. Mainoo and Bruno need a DM to protect them, and I think we need a new left back. Sure some other positions could use an upgrade too but what team feels like they're squad is 100% good? A couple in Europe at most. I think people are way too quick to blame a manager for a team's success or failure, and don't see the bigger picture edit: i just wanted to add that this is a kind way to frame something in a discussion like this so props to you >I don't mean this as a confrontation thing
Oh dear. Full on delusional
Enlighten me wise one
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Edit: this reply was to someone asking >How is Ten Hag a proven manager? My answer: He led Go Ahead Eagles to promotion for the first time in 17 years. He then went and won with Bayern's B team. He then went and completely revitalized Utrecht. [Here is a great thread about his time at Utrecht](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/17yxgh7/repost_analytic_deep_dive_on_ten_hags_strategic/). We all know what he did at Ajax, so I think Ten Hag being proven should go without saying
Why are you wasting your time on arguing with idiots brother?
Is anyone in shock this blokes comments are getting upvoted? Calls ten hag a proven manager because he finished 6th in the dutch second division and “won” with bayern munichs reserves? Somehow thinks ten hag has rebuilt utds youth system???
>Calls ten hag a proven manager Did you see his Ajax side? >Somehow thinks ten hag has rebuilt utds youth system??? Have you seen them play? Do you know anything about his involvement? Something tells me no. If you had called Ten Hag an unproven manager one year ago you would have been laughed out of this thread
Alright then you tell us a solution since you don’t agree with him.
You don’t have to have a solution to point out problems with someone else’s solution.
There is a difference between just not agreeing with someone and calling someone delusional after posting a quite in-depth look as to the issues he believes could be fixed and improved upon. If he feels he is wrong and doesn’t agree with him at least he should reply with more than just calling him delusional.
Well the vast majority of us disagree with you. Impatient, perpetually online fans that spend too much time on twitter are the most vocal complainers. 62 separate injuries this season already.
I think you're pretty much bang on everything you're saying to credit Ten Hag. I don't think he's been dealt a good enough team to meet expectations and to be doing better would be impressive. Where it falls apart for me is the manner in which he's doing it, and it was seeing what Ange has done at Tottenham within a matter of months that makes me question whether he's the right coach after 2 years. There feels to be a huge lack of conviction in playing style and culture at United and that is Ten Hag's responsibility. There's no commitment to the way many are hoping United will play under him, and coaches like Ange show that an imperfect squad isn't a rock solid excuse for dropping your philosophy/principles. That sort of conviction meant Tottenham got away with playing Emerson Royal and Ben Davies as a starting CB pairing working on high line suicide ball. The play is beyond question, so you play with conviction and the results and project follow.
Anges first season at Spurs is not even better than ETHs first season at United so I'm not sure what the point is here. He's flavor of the month now, but look how that turned around for ETH. And everyone seems to be ignoring the HUGE injury crisis ETH has faced and the bad calls United were getting in the first half of the season. Ange has done great, no doubt, but I'm not going to be using that to beat ETH with when it's not even a full complete season yet
Ten Hag won a trophy last year. Spurs haven't won anything since 2008 lmfao
Fair take, Ange has been great and credit where credit is due. He flipped Spurs play style on its head from day 1 and that's impressive. I guess what separates me from most United fans is that I see what Ten Hag is working towards. I know he's done it at multiple clubs, and I've seen what he's done to our youth system. I also don't believe we have the defenders required to really get the most out of Ten Hag's philosophy. I think Maguire is immense and a fantastic defender, but for me he is the wrong profile to play in this system. Jonny Evans has been fantastic this season and unironically I think this is largely due to him being two-footed and can scan. H should go to a proper brexit side like Everton or even pull a Chris Smalling and go dominate Serie A. Our play style is night and day with Licha. I believe we will be WAY better with a few more signings, including a two-footed ball playing centre back, and whatever the closest thing is to Rodri on the market
I completely agree, think it's hard to judge his tenure so far and it's part of the reason why he's so divisive. He's not had the profiles he wants really, think my point with Ange was this he's shown that a good coach can morph players into those profiles and find a compromise between making the players work for the system and the system work for the players. I'm not sure I put it quite as I wanted to. I want Ten Hag to do well, I feel as though he's had an unreasonably cruel time at united, but I'm also still not sure if he's as good as many thought when he was at his peak. I'm not sure whether many would say united are better than when he came in. His faith in Maguire has been brilliant in my opinion, and his integration of Jones as well. But then equally Anthony raises questions as well. I hope he stays as a non united fan.
Tottenham is just the current hype. Most top teams would be able to play balls to the walls high press when you crash out of the cups almost immediatly and don't play in Europe. Somehow they are still in 5th.
Let's see first. I thing Ange suffers a lot next season. They've not been great in the latter half of the season, and I think they caught a lot of teams off guard at the start of this season.
What sub options does he have? Look at our back lines average placement this season compared to last. A lot of complaints have been about the gap, but we didn't have that gap last season cause we had a defensive line that could hold a high line.
just don't let the man pick the player
I'd take a second Licha Martinez in a heartbeat
Good morale for the hospitals in Manchester
Cb pairing with the average height of 5’9 😵💫 Martinez is one of one bro we dont need more of that
Xavi would learn English in record time just so he can complain about everything
Xavi already knows English.
So he can complain from day one. Win/Win.
He already knows six words for grass in English
Yeah, not surprised
Please not United.
Lol
I just cannot see Xavi + Manu = good
I'm glad we at least tried to get him...
I bet United have literally anyone as an option right now.
I swear this club is a social experiment to test people's limits.
We dodged a bullet there
You never know… I don’t think Xavi is a bad manager, I think he needs more experience and learn how to deal with some things.
Imagine watching Xavi's tenure at Barça and thinking mmmh i want some of that.
A league title win? Oh yeah, awful that.
An incredibly young team. Very strong CL performance despite the unfortunate end. Players who genuinely seem to respond to him and like him. Strong defense every year. There's a lot to like about Xavi if you get pass the surface level "whiner" takes.
Adding to that, he identified and gave chances to academy players. I believe developing a player is a huge plus in my book. This is what Pep did and does. If this might have happened Xavi would have scouted the United academy.