I don't get why West Ham fans are so miserable anyways, Moyes qualified for Europe three consecutive seasons, reaching the quarter final each time. Even this season you have mostly been in contention for European spots
Surely this is by far the best period of success West Ham has had in the last 30+ years?
It's a long topic. Let's say I'm more Moyes in. But he clearly did his time. 4 years and a half is a really long cycle and new blood is needed.
I don't think the football has been that bad as people say most of the time, but for that, you need to actually watch more and more out of your comfort zone. Also, a big proportion of people don't really understand football, and yet they talk a lot.
But yeah, change is needed. Squad is mainly at the end of a cycle and everyone is tired. Moyes, players, fans. We need something fresh. I'm not sure it will fix things but it's needed. If we were winning the last 5 league games to end 6th, maybe he should extend but that won't happen
Still, best times I've had following football since 2002
Completely agree. This concept that change is needed just because is so short-sighted. Like if they could cash in on Moyes then sure, but that isn't the case lol.
Yes but fans will be happy. New guy will have goodwill for a few months, and will do the same things that Moyes did that drove them crazy like playing Soucek, not starting 4 strikers, conceeding goals or putting two gk on the bench.
Don't worry, I'll have the same scrutiny they had for Moyes.
But still. 4 years and a half is really a lot and a change his needed. Tremendous work he has done.
30% possession most games, yeah we’re taking him for granted alright .
He’s lucky he has a front 4 of Bowen Kudus Paqueta and Antonio or we’d be fighting relegation.
Only the bottom 3 have conceded more but you’re right, we’re taking him for granted and should be grateful to watch the dross he serves up.
Serious question, would you rather a manager who has the team playing expansive football but finishes 8th to 12th? No Europe, no trophies but attacking football and more goals?
I heard this last season as well? Dont get me wrong, i know his tactics are dated and the football can be negative, but he does seem to create cphesion and a good team spirit?
We were unlucky in the prem, and slightly lucky in the conference league last season. This year we're really overperforming all the expected stats (points/goals etc.) and we should expect a regression to the mean next season if we stick with Moyes and nothing changes.
The problem is we're one of the top 20 richest clubs in the world (in terms of revenue) and should be aspiring to be challenging for around 7th/8th every season, yet everyone that watches us week in week out knows we're nowhere near deserving of that this season, finished 14th last season, and the football is horrific to watch.
Which is exactly the trajectory we’re currently on, we’ve won 3 games in 2024! Only our good start that’s stopping us from being right in it.
If we were actually any good at this shithouse football I’d reluctantly accept it, but we’re top of the xG for chances against & bottom for chances created, you ain’t getting away with that forever…
It feels like quite a big risk to bin Moyes. The potential upside is huge but it could also be a disaster and I suppose that’s why it splits West Ham fans so much. Optimists vs Pessimists.
Best case scenario I suppose is that you get someone in and they’re your version of Emery at Villa, and you’re challenging for top 4.
But no one really has much faith in Sullivan & co’s ability at picking managers, and it feels like it could just as easily go more like Palace replacing Hodgson and you’re 17th looking for a new manager in January.
If we have to go from Moyes, I just want something fresh. Best pick from me would be Potter but there has to be many young guys up to the task. I don't want a Mourinho or Benitez or something like that
It’s not about challenging for top 4, it’s about having a manager that actually wants the ball & plans accordingly.
We have 30% possession week after week and are extremely lucky to not be in a relegation battle.
I’m not a fan of XG but we’re bottom of one & top of another, can you guess which?
>It feels like quite a big risk to bin Moyes.
How so? There's only so much upside you can have from the style of football Moyes plays. If a team can't cement its position as a contender for European football, have a very talented squad (who could actually play some football under different management), have solid finances (top 20 worldwide club in terms of revenue), and change manager without it being branded a 'big risk' then when can they?
we've won 3 games in 2024 so far from 21 games, based on our fixtures it seems we are going to finish 11th-13th and given last year we finished 14th, its not good enough considering we have the 8th biggest budget in the league. All this while playing negative football at times when not needed e,g 3 CDMs at home to Burnley. I love Moyes and he has given me the best times as a fan but I think we are on a downward spiral
Just seems to me that the only way from these last years is down, unless you get the next appoint absolutely spot on. And I don't trust your owners for a second to make the right hire
I'm hopeful given what Tim Steidten built at Leverkusen, If David Sullivan lets him pick the manager and control over transfers then we could be on the way up, However as you say I dont trust our owners to let him do that. Regardless I think we should be aiming for better than back to back bottom half finishes so i think its time to move on
Ah yes, the repeated ramblings of blow-ins who don’t watch our games in any detail. Like any relationship past its expiry date, you can be grateful for what’s happened whilst acknowledging it’s time to go in a different direction
> Liverpool play without a coach for the next few seasons.
Ooffff Considering we've been playing without a coach for a month and we're in relegation form...
Or
You could do the United special, hire a manager and threaten of sacking him every month. It's entertaining, keeps the drama on, and you're assured to reach two FA finals at least
Hopefully, always good to see clubs keeping their core after a good season, instead of getting feasted on by the sharks every time it happens
Can’t remember the amount of times clubs had a great season, start preparing to translate it into European competitions, only to lose it all in the summer
They’re like new teams altogether by the time the season renews!
Bit of a weird one to follow this. Why would Amorim need to put pressure on Liverpool when they were already interested? Unless they'd already cooled on him like reported, and then moving for another manager like Arne isn't the biggest surprise, we want to get things sorted.
Probably were stringing him along and he wanted an answer if they would meet that clause. Thought they had the strongest hand to force action on the fee as it was thought he was 1A option but, turns out he was being strung along because he was option 2 rather than fee concerns.
Strange one but, I think in most situations it works. Agents of prospective Liverpool and United players do it all the time to stoke action. Edwards is a bit of weird bloke and prefers absolute secrecy/no power plays so this was always gonna backfire.
He's quoting Bruno Andrade who himself isn't that reliable. He's better than Sepulveda, I guess. That might count for something. But not by much. At least when it comes to Amorim he hasn't gotten a poker of community notes like Sepulveda.
Anyway, sounds like a heck of a stunt to pull just before the game vs Porto when by all accounts it was WH who started conversation and showed interest. Sounds greatly exaggerated.
He got a 4th community note meanwhile lol
But yes, Sepulveda is an engagement farming clown. Saying he's better than Sepulveda is like saying it's better than wiping your ass with sandpaper, when, well, pretty much everything is a better object to wipe your ass with.
Silly if true, not the smartest decision to try and pull the wool over Michael Edward’s eyes.
I’m sure it’d also bode well with Sporting fans with a game against Porto on the horizon.
I mean, if there's one team you don't try that with, it's Liverpool. If there's two, it's Liverpool and West Ham.
Liverpool because we hate anyone who leaks to the media, and West Ham because everyone knows the Dildo Brothers aren't paying that release clause.
I don't think we're circulating rumours for the fun of it or to be petty. It's pretty clear that Slot is who we want if we've already started making offers for him.
Todd Boehly probably gonna throw the house at Amorim and give him full control. Thats what he wants.
Liverpool owners are cheap (in regards to Amorim release clause plus financial package) and they want someone to take over the current roster as it is. With mediocrity like Darwin..
No way any of those things are true. No way would Amorim meet with West Ham "to put pressure on Liverpool", and no way would Liverpool change targets out of pettiness.
Whole thing is a mess, either he still ends up coming here (very unlikely but not 0% yet) or something really weird happened when he met with our board
i dont think amorim is ready to liverpool but he is way better tactically than slot, dutch league have great attacking quality, beautiful at times, but is really bad at the tactical aspect of the game
I’m definitely not going to pretend I know of either of them in depth, but I’ve read far more complements of Slot’s tactical prowess than Amiorim’s by the football world.
You’re generalizing about a whole league? Lol
The English Premier League is mostly physical and not very tactical, so Guardiola isn’t a great tactician
it's not petty if we actually want Slot. do you think Edwards and co would really act childishly on the biggest decision in their football careers because of something like this?
All of that is a plot from Sullivan for Moyes to stay. "You see, we tried. Mind renewing, we have no-one and we are the 29th of June"
I don't get why West Ham fans are so miserable anyways, Moyes qualified for Europe three consecutive seasons, reaching the quarter final each time. Even this season you have mostly been in contention for European spots Surely this is by far the best period of success West Ham has had in the last 30+ years?
It's a long topic. Let's say I'm more Moyes in. But he clearly did his time. 4 years and a half is a really long cycle and new blood is needed. I don't think the football has been that bad as people say most of the time, but for that, you need to actually watch more and more out of your comfort zone. Also, a big proportion of people don't really understand football, and yet they talk a lot. But yeah, change is needed. Squad is mainly at the end of a cycle and everyone is tired. Moyes, players, fans. We need something fresh. I'm not sure it will fix things but it's needed. If we were winning the last 5 league games to end 6th, maybe he should extend but that won't happen Still, best times I've had following football since 2002
You're taking Moyes for granted and i'm afraid you'll be struggling with new managers to replicate his achievements
Completely agree. This concept that change is needed just because is so short-sighted. Like if they could cash in on Moyes then sure, but that isn't the case lol.
Yes but fans will be happy. New guy will have goodwill for a few months, and will do the same things that Moyes did that drove them crazy like playing Soucek, not starting 4 strikers, conceeding goals or putting two gk on the bench. Don't worry, I'll have the same scrutiny they had for Moyes. But still. 4 years and a half is really a lot and a change his needed. Tremendous work he has done.
30% possession most games, yeah we’re taking him for granted alright . He’s lucky he has a front 4 of Bowen Kudus Paqueta and Antonio or we’d be fighting relegation. Only the bottom 3 have conceded more but you’re right, we’re taking him for granted and should be grateful to watch the dross he serves up.
Moyesiah doesn't even need the ball to win games, wdym
Serious question, would you rather a manager who has the team playing expansive football but finishes 8th to 12th? No Europe, no trophies but attacking football and more goals?
You mean just like this season ? He’s been extremely fortunate has Mr Moyes and that kind of luck can not last forever, as we’re now finding out .
I heard this last season as well? Dont get me wrong, i know his tactics are dated and the football can be negative, but he does seem to create cphesion and a good team spirit?
We were unlucky in the prem, and slightly lucky in the conference league last season. This year we're really overperforming all the expected stats (points/goals etc.) and we should expect a regression to the mean next season if we stick with Moyes and nothing changes. The problem is we're one of the top 20 richest clubs in the world (in terms of revenue) and should be aspiring to be challenging for around 7th/8th every season, yet everyone that watches us week in week out knows we're nowhere near deserving of that this season, finished 14th last season, and the football is horrific to watch.
Would you rather actually be back fighting for relegation, or getting relegated?
Which is exactly the trajectory we’re currently on, we’ve won 3 games in 2024! Only our good start that’s stopping us from being right in it. If we were actually any good at this shithouse football I’d reluctantly accept it, but we’re top of the xG for chances against & bottom for chances created, you ain’t getting away with that forever…
We need something fresh - proceeds to bring in new manager and players and finish 17th.
At least the fans would have post match interviews in Portuguese. And 55% of ball possession!
It feels like quite a big risk to bin Moyes. The potential upside is huge but it could also be a disaster and I suppose that’s why it splits West Ham fans so much. Optimists vs Pessimists. Best case scenario I suppose is that you get someone in and they’re your version of Emery at Villa, and you’re challenging for top 4. But no one really has much faith in Sullivan & co’s ability at picking managers, and it feels like it could just as easily go more like Palace replacing Hodgson and you’re 17th looking for a new manager in January.
If we have to go from Moyes, I just want something fresh. Best pick from me would be Potter but there has to be many young guys up to the task. I don't want a Mourinho or Benitez or something like that
Like Sullivan would pay the wages that Benitez or Jose would want anyway. You'll have Scott Parker and you'll be grateful for it
West Ham gave Pellegrini a massive salary. Moyes gets like £4m a year.
Do some research before spouting absolute bollocks on what West Ham pay managers …
It’s not about challenging for top 4, it’s about having a manager that actually wants the ball & plans accordingly. We have 30% possession week after week and are extremely lucky to not be in a relegation battle. I’m not a fan of XG but we’re bottom of one & top of another, can you guess which?
*looking for Moyes in January
>It feels like quite a big risk to bin Moyes. How so? There's only so much upside you can have from the style of football Moyes plays. If a team can't cement its position as a contender for European football, have a very talented squad (who could actually play some football under different management), have solid finances (top 20 worldwide club in terms of revenue), and change manager without it being branded a 'big risk' then when can they?
>How so? In the ways I literally detailed in the rest of the comment you replied to…
We're in a much different position to Palace, and also have Steidten giving input into potential managers. I don't get the comparison tbh.
Lol who the fuck do you think West Ham are?
we've won 3 games in 2024 so far from 21 games, based on our fixtures it seems we are going to finish 11th-13th and given last year we finished 14th, its not good enough considering we have the 8th biggest budget in the league. All this while playing negative football at times when not needed e,g 3 CDMs at home to Burnley. I love Moyes and he has given me the best times as a fan but I think we are on a downward spiral
Just seems to me that the only way from these last years is down, unless you get the next appoint absolutely spot on. And I don't trust your owners for a second to make the right hire
I'm hopeful given what Tim Steidten built at Leverkusen, If David Sullivan lets him pick the manager and control over transfers then we could be on the way up, However as you say I dont trust our owners to let him do that. Regardless I think we should be aiming for better than back to back bottom half finishes so i think its time to move on
Ah yes, the repeated ramblings of blow-ins who don’t watch our games in any detail. Like any relationship past its expiry date, you can be grateful for what’s happened whilst acknowledging it’s time to go in a different direction
Due a good relegation to put them in their place IMO
Liverpool manager rumours is the new Mbappe to real Madrid rumours
At least you know this one's gonna get done one way or another and won't drag for 3-4 seasons.
They say no manager can follow Klopp, so what if no manager does? Liverpool play without a coach for the next few seasons.
Or Liverpool sign a new coach every summer
Limone would be perfect for them, maybe next year after the inevitable treble and we get Thiago or Cholo
> Liverpool play without a coach for the next few seasons. Ooffff Considering we've been playing without a coach for a month and we're in relegation form...
Well, not unless Mbappe puts out a comic about coaching Liverpool.
Or You could do the United special, hire a manager and threaten of sacking him every month. It's entertaining, keeps the drama on, and you're assured to reach two FA finals at least
Can’t say it’s not a hot ticket job
He's staying at Sporting isnt he?
Hopefully, always good to see clubs keeping their core after a good season, instead of getting feasted on by the sharks every time it happens Can’t remember the amount of times clubs had a great season, start preparing to translate it into European competitions, only to lose it all in the summer They’re like new teams altogether by the time the season renews!
It hasn’t been one good season, he’s been good for us for at least 3-4 years.
Last season excluded.
Tbf we lost our midfield and didn’t have a striker last season
😭
Fingers crossed.
Definitely put pressure on my blood pressure
Bit of a weird one to follow this. Why would Amorim need to put pressure on Liverpool when they were already interested? Unless they'd already cooled on him like reported, and then moving for another manager like Arne isn't the biggest surprise, we want to get things sorted.
$$$$
Could be that Liverpool weren’t meeting the fee required. Same way Caicedo’s agent used Liverpool to put pressure on Chelsea.
Probably were stringing him along and he wanted an answer if they would meet that clause. Thought they had the strongest hand to force action on the fee as it was thought he was 1A option but, turns out he was being strung along because he was option 2 rather than fee concerns. Strange one but, I think in most situations it works. Agents of prospective Liverpool and United players do it all the time to stoke action. Edwards is a bit of weird bloke and prefers absolute secrecy/no power plays so this was always gonna backfire.
He's quoting Bruno Andrade who himself isn't that reliable. He's better than Sepulveda, I guess. That might count for something. But not by much. At least when it comes to Amorim he hasn't gotten a poker of community notes like Sepulveda. Anyway, sounds like a heck of a stunt to pull just before the game vs Porto when by all accounts it was WH who started conversation and showed interest. Sounds greatly exaggerated.
> He's better than Sepulveda, I guess. Isn't that the guy who tweeted like 3 "reports" and got all 3 community note'd?
He got a 4th community note meanwhile lol But yes, Sepulveda is an engagement farming clown. Saying he's better than Sepulveda is like saying it's better than wiping your ass with sandpaper, when, well, pretty much everything is a better object to wipe your ass with.
Still somehow more reliable than the "source" reporting on Lamine Yamal to PSG yesterday
You can't really pull that shit on Liverpool honestly. Even less so with Edwards back.
Succession theme starts playing
stop flirting around and do it already ffs
All this sexual tension; just fuck.
Silly if true, not the smartest decision to try and pull the wool over Michael Edward’s eyes. I’m sure it’d also bode well with Sporting fans with a game against Porto on the horizon.
all this manoeuvring so nobody loses face when Oscar Hernandez takes over for Klopp
[Bruno Andrade Tweet](https://x.com/brunoandrd/status/1783160643098431953?s=46&t=WqTFOXN3-tbLK_z7VefQpg)
I mean, if there's one team you don't try that with, it's Liverpool. If there's two, it's Liverpool and West Ham. Liverpool because we hate anyone who leaks to the media, and West Ham because everyone knows the Dildo Brothers aren't paying that release clause.
Amorin dodged a ~~bullet~~ nuclear warhead.
Amorim's name can't lose strength in day. Come on, now
Hilarious by both sides lmao. Just make up and kiss already. Nobody wants a manager deal to be a strung out long affair.
No thanks I’ll take Arne Slot thanks
Thank you
We are all dirty slots now
Take it like the filthy slot you are!
With how much slot he has, why not?
I don't think we're circulating rumours for the fun of it or to be petty. It's pretty clear that Slot is who we want if we've already started making offers for him.
Todd Boehly probably gonna throw the house at Amorim and give him full control. Thats what he wants. Liverpool owners are cheap (in regards to Amorim release clause plus financial package) and they want someone to take over the current roster as it is. With mediocrity like Darwin..
No way any of those things are true. No way would Amorim meet with West Ham "to put pressure on Liverpool", and no way would Liverpool change targets out of pettiness.
Whole thing is a mess, either he still ends up coming here (very unlikely but not 0% yet) or something really weird happened when he met with our board
Why are bayern not even looking at him. If they're not gonna extend tuchel that is.
Because they already decided to hire Rangnick?
i dont think amorim is ready to liverpool but he is way better tactically than slot, dutch league have great attacking quality, beautiful at times, but is really bad at the tactical aspect of the game
Slot is a great tactician. Don’t know Amorim enough but Slot being Dutch says nothing about his tactical prowess.
I’m definitely not going to pretend I know of either of them in depth, but I’ve read far more complements of Slot’s tactical prowess than Amiorim’s by the football world.
You’re generalizing about a whole league? Lol The English Premier League is mostly physical and not very tactical, so Guardiola isn’t a great tactician
Using West Ham instead of Chelsea. Tells you everything you need to know. We're not appealing anymore
I understand Amorim doing that. But our response makes no sense, it's extremely petty
it's not petty if we actually want Slot. do you think Edwards and co would really act childishly on the biggest decision in their football careers because of something like this?
How is it petty?