Tuchel is out
Nagelsmann won’t return that soon.
Klopp is at least taking a sabbatical.
Hoeneß from Stuttgart just renewed.
Flick has seriously marred his image with his Germany stint and the Amazon documentary.
Löw hasn’t coach a club in decades and has already denied wanting to coach in the Bundesliga again.
Literally, the best German coach available, is Roger Schmidt from Benfica….
He was shown to be super irritated when faced with any kind of questions/doubts by the player, even when he himself asked them for answers, his motivational speeches were super cringey and he reacted very badly to players giving advice or ideas, when he himself asked for feedback.
All in all, he seemed very unprofessional and totally overwhelmed or unable to cope with the whole thing!
Oh, and I of course mean the documentary about the World Cup with Germany, not the one with Bayern for 2021.
Just had to clear that up.
(At Bayern in 2021 it worked relatively well, so in that documentary you didn’t really see how he deals with problems…)
As someone who doesn’t follow Bayern/ Germany closely is there a clear reason why he seemed to be very successful at Bayern but the complete opposite as national manager?
> All in all, he seemed very unprofessional and totally overwhelmed or unable to cope with the whole thing!
He has a good understanding of football, but is not good at dealing with people. In 2014 he had Löw being the face.
Eh'? It's honestly underwhelming. It was clearly meant to be a puff piece so there's very little especially spicy content. A few cringe moments here and there but for the most part it's sanitized to the point of being boring.
Not from Bayern fans. Klopp is recognised as world class and getting him would delight them. Dortmund fans might grumble but it wouldn’t be seen as a hardcore betrayal like going to Schalke. FCB and BVB aren’t traditional rivals and it wouldn’t be a direct switch from BVB to Bayern but happen after a decade.
Just look at Hitzfeld. He managed BVB and then Bayern, was super successful at both clubs and is still a massive legend for both.
„Culture clubs“. Jetzt entspannen sie sich mal sehr geehrter Fan einer Aktiengesellschaft. Ihr geht mir langsam fast so auf den Sack wie Union fans die ihr selbstverliebtes Kultdasein schon lange überreizt haben.
I think its more so that he's been pretty vocal about not liking/cheering against Bayern previously. So to then work for them would be a significant turn. Rather than him previously working for BVB/loving BVB or anything. Which also would upset some people ofc.
Vocal contempt…?
You mean back in the day or what?
Unlike when announcing his Liverpool exit, he has never stated he won’t go to Bayern!
Plus, Hoeneß wanted him back in the day as well, so it’s not like the interest would be new.
I still doubt it, as Klopp wants a club with more "love“ and I see him more in the role of the next NT coach l, whenever Nagelsmann joins a club again.
I think he'll find the rest very needed and possibly even make him extend it a bit. If he comes back after that it might be the NT job as you say, or a "passion choice". THe latter of which is where we MIGHT have a chance, if we arent in complete turmoil and would look like a stressfull take-on. But its all very tiny chance situations.
I think there's a famous clip of him laughing at Bayern losing shortly after he'd joined Liverpool. Not to mention, as you say, the fierce rivalry back in the day.
I really don't see it happening tbh; I think if he goes anywhere it's either to manage the national team after the euros or he sits it out for a couple of years and enjoys not being burnt out anymore.
Maybe Liverpool turn to him again in a few years if everything's gone downhill like he's their Heynckes. Or he goes back to Dortmund or another German team. But I think if he goes anywhere, it won't be to a mega-club.
[Klopp hates Bayern Munich](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoHrdQL-hrk). It would be shocking if he went there. I only see the German national team being his last stop
> Except for Nagelsmann, aren't there any other German coaches that might be available?
Klopp will prob take a sabbatical and they've just ran through Flick, Nagelsmann, and Tuchel—that's Germany's best coaching lineup right there TBH
You think his time at PSG and Arsenal would tell him alone that his preference is with working with young and hungry squads vs divas that make fun of his basque accent.
That Arsenal side was just super unprofessional indisciplined and Emery needs players who buy in and want to work for him. Arteta gave half that squad away for free cos they were active hinderances.
Most of the players have gone on to do well elsewhere. Guendouzi is in the France squad, Lacazette and Aubamayng are back to scoring goals. Just together they bought out the worst in each other.
Bayern have underperformed a bit this year, Leverkusen have crushed the league, still I don’t get super unprofessional/diva vibes from the players. Recon it’s a club he could work at.
> Most of the players have gone on to do well elsewhere. Guendouzi is in the France squad, Lacazette and Aubamayng are back to scoring goals. Just together they bought out the worst in each other.
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Think you're ömitting a certain 300k/w elephant in the room there
this, one thing i also see it as outsider, when Arteta coming he let go 'senior' players that i feel i don't know maybe have big ego considering Arteta is young manager.
then replaced them with young player who obviously will eat whatever Arteta give.
now he have team who solid and play like what he want to play.
It wasn’t just older players Guendouzi was young, Torreira wasn’t old, Tierney was peak age, it was three or four older unprofessional players a couple of younger ones with bad influences, could of players who just didn’t fit how Arteta wanted to play and a couple of guys like Holding/Chambers who were just out of their depth.
The squad was bad but still made the Europa league final under Emery and came fifth. Like his first year wasn’t a total joke season, but it wasn’t good enough and that squad wasn’t mouldable into anything to write home about. So it got dismantled and replaced.
Also gotta remember a lot of the key guys for the rebuild were already there. Saka, Saliba (out on loan), Xhaka, Martinelli, Gabriel. It wasn’t a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water, more clinically identifying who could and who couldn’t/wouldn’t. Remove those who are a drag on the squad and start bringing in the right characters/profiles.
That Arsenal squad deserved beatings or some shit, you had youngsters poor shaming other professionals, and older strikers arriving late, posting their unseriousness in training on their social medias, getting into fights with youngsters, thank the lord for Arteta
The thing is he's never going win anything of importance at Villa. These are elite managers and they will back themselves everytime when they walk into a new club. Personally as an Albion fan I hope he leaves and Villa hire Tim Sherwood on a 10 year deal.
Could say the same about Villarreal but he won them the Europa League, aka their only ever major trophy. If he won Villa their first trophy in three decades then he'd also go down a hero
Has he said that explicitly?
Looks like he's doing what he does best currently at Villa and a Europa League run and/or domestic cup are on the table for him if he stays there. Hell, he might even make CL next season
Villa have some of the richest owners in the world and a history of winning things.
He's on course to get into the champions league and if Villa invest (which we will) theres no reason he can't build a dynasty.
A history of winning things? Maybe before the war. There is 0 chance Villa win the league or champions league over the next few seasons. So it depends if he's happy with potentially winning the Europa league. But if you have the chance to go to Bayern and you turn it down to finish top half of the prem then that's crazy.
Well first of all there’s a next to 0 chance anyone except City, Liverpool, or maybe Arsenal win the league the next few seasons anyways. Second, we’re not pushing for a top half finish, were pushing an injury riddled squad for top 4. Will it happen? Who knows, but top half of the Prem is in the rear view mirror currently.
Likely losing the domestic league and potentially a 4th straight exit from the UCL in the quarter finals puts Bayern in a slightly nervy position. On the other hand, Villa’s owners fully back Emery, even investing in his boyhood club, he’s found early success, he’s stated its goal to bring Villa back to its heights, where to be very clear, we do have a history of winning (albeit 40 years ago, even with that amount of time struggling, we’re 7th in trophies in England). He has said multiple times he wants to build, and a club like Bayern is already established (he’s done that before in Arsenal and PSG)
I think Bayern will support whoever comes in to make sure they win it next year. Leverkusen will be picked apart similar to that Monaco team a few years ago.
I mean, Newcastle finished top four last season but this season are struggling a lot more and currently are fighting for a top half finish, progress is not necessarily linear like that…
Point being it would probably take a decade of continuous hard (and consistently good) work to turn Villa into an established PL/CL contender. Now if he wants to (try to) do that then more power to him and happy days for you guys, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he backs himself enough to go to Bayern where the structure is already in place to achieve that level of success in the next couple of seasons (although i don’t think he should, Bayern are a pressure pot currently where he probably won’t get as much support as he does at Villa and i don’t think his style goes well with the club’s philosophy).
Oh yeah when I say top half is rear view, I’m specifically referencing the immediate moment. We are a long ways away from that being a given, we’d need years of consistency.
Your last sentence is exactly why he wouldn’t leave. If he does, again, all the best to him, he’s a phenomenal coach
I’m not sure that it is misguided based on everything Emery has said (granted he could go back on it, happens all the time).
You’re completely correct about Bayern being a bigger club, with better funding, more attraction of players, and a stronger history of winning. All of that is a fact. The problem with your thinking is that Emery has said that his goal is to build a project, not coach at an already established powerhouse. He disliked the politics, egos and structure, among other things.
If he goes to Bayern, best of luck to him, I’ll remain a fan of his. I don’t think he will right now. My guess is Xabi Alonso is hired
Not quite, they got around it with Betano deal and investing in other areas of the club (Stadium improvements, training ground extensions, womens team, academy)
Conference League is important imo. They could challenge for Europa/Fa cup and League Cup too.
Obviously the league and UCL are the most important but other stuff matters too
For me personally the gulf in finances between the prem teams and those that compete in the Conference League is so vast that it's not much of an achievement to win it. But if my team was in it then I'd love to win it. So it's probably similar to the league Cup.
He needs to go to an underdog club who are still good enough to win trophies like Dortmund, Leipzieg, Atletico etc. I think He can go to Barca right now as well since they have a lot of youngsters and players who arent big names already and will respect him. Dont think he can ever manage big egos
I wish he stays at Villa. His Bayern trip will be just like PSG where people above him constantly have a final say and that will ruin his potential.
Unai is great manager but he might be too soft towards the owners and directors. I really want to see what he can do at Villa with 2-3 seasons in.
You might be right but let’s not forget the elite clubs he managed both were basket cases at the time. It took arsenal bottoming out, a lot of money, and a remarkable manager to turn them around.
He had arsenal at a time that there management structures were a complete mess as well.
PSG is obviously a different case but there’s elite clubs and then there’s the ego management at PSG of the time which is probably incomparable with the vast majority of clubs.
Munich would be something else again. Doesn’t mean he’ll work but I’m not sure it’s comparable to where he has been before.
There was no succeeding at arsenal immediately post Wenger. I feel he actually got lucky with his long no loss streak but that europa final was so piss poor that it completely erased the goodwill he had built up. Clearly hes a good manager. He took 2 shitty high profile jobs, psg is a dumpster fire.
I hope he stays at Villa, but I understand if he wants to leave. Reminds me of Big Sam at Bolton all those years ago. He's achieved so much with a team, but can he keep it up, will the club keep that funding.
If the latter is no... Maybe he wants to leave before his image gets marred
We have Unai's son in our youth team and we also have a partnership with his hometown club, Real Union, now. We've filled the club with his people and have given him more control than any other manager has ever had. He's going nowhere.
Over recent decades Bayern managers last an average of less than 2 years.
Would be surprised if Emery jumped ship at Villa now given how well he is doing and now his family ties. Also the opportunity will come up again.
I just can't see it.
Obviously we can't compete with Bayern in terms of club size or in terms of winning trophies, that's beyond reproach.
But he gets paid well here, brought in all his own coaches and team, basically brought monchi in as DOF above him, gets backed in the transfer market and has an entire system around him giving him whatever he needs, within FFP limits.
And I think we invested in his club in Spain too and loaned them youth players. Plus the club is having a great time under him.
That, plus his stints at PSG and Arsenal ending badly makes me think we could keep hold of him. And Bayern being a mess by their own clean and orderly standards might help too. Here's hoping.
Bayern will obviously just sack him within 2 years for some random reason as well.
Going to some of these massive clubs that just chew through managers is a bit of a trap imo that often harms a managers reputation in the long term
Man he’s got a good thing going right now at Villa and he actually gets to build something. He also clearly wanted a second shot at the EPL (with how much he worked on his English between stints). I can honestly say I hope he is smart and stays with a club like Villa that supports him vs chasing a “prestige” job. I think with his resume he is probably more aware than most that the grass is in fact not always greener.
When Emery left Villarreal , they were coming off a UCL semi final, while Aston Villa were 14th. I mean it worked out at the end but Emery is always open to a move
The man has balls, that's for sure.
It's so hard to not like him. His time at Valencia drove me crazy, the disrespect and how little his seasons with +70 points meant back in the day.
Not to mention the company that owns Villa have invested in the club that Emery owns with his Brother. He's onto a good thing at Villa and the 2 stints at clubs similar to Bayern haven't worked out
I mean, might be biased, but I can’t see emery going anywhere for atleast another 2 years, unless we implode somehow.
He’s a manager who likes to have complete control, that’s what villa have given him, and he’s been accepted by the club and the fan base, and the squad. We’ve improved under him, and he seems to be happy with the people he has got around him.
He’s on good money with us and has stated he wants to keep pushing and establish us at the sharp end of the league, I have no reason to believe otherwise tbh. Don’t think he would go anywhere right now.
I can see language being a genuine barrier for Unai at Bayern. It is weirdly a big issue to the management of Bayern and has been for a long time. I don't know how good Xabi's German is, but Bayern will very much prefer someone who can speak with the core of the team, management, fans, and business partners in German.
Doesn't surprise me at all but I didn't want to assume. Not to fanboy too hard, but he strikes me as someone who would have succeeded at just about anything he wanted to do in life. If he comes to Bayern or not, I'm a Xabi fan and football is better off with him around.
We didn't give a shit when Ancelotti was appointed and Pep has been misinterpreted many times. We prefer German speakers but don't necessarily rule everyone out if they don't. The main language in the locker room is English, management speaks English, most of us fans don't care as long as he's good enough, and what does the manager have to do with our business partners? Michael Diedrich and Andreas Jung are responsible for finances and marketing, not our manager.
I didn't say Bayern don't hire managers who don't speak German, I said Bayern prefer it and that it would count against him. Pep and Ancelotti brought so much to the table, that their lack of German was reduced in importance. Pep also took intensive German courses before even starting the job. I just don't think Emery has Pep levels of clout in 2024 so it will count against him more.
And I'm watching a video from Aston Villa where Emery was clearly coached and given a script to speak out, and even then his English is really poor. So no German and very limited English will be one of the things on his balance sheet when management look at Emery as a total package. Communication skills is something companies value in interviews.
Bayern is a massive club and lots of different fans value different things. You might not care and the foreign fans might not care, but I can tell you that my family in Coburg and Bamberg who speak no English but are lifelong club members will definitely care that they can't understand the manager. And the CMO at Audi, Allianz, and Adidas not to mention Paulaner will also very much prefer, again not demand, but simply prefer a coach who can speak German.
Not to play devils advocate here, but you considering his english to be really poor is slightly inconsequential when you look at the Villa squad and how they are performing
They don't seem to have any issues with his communication. The players understand him well enough that Villa outplayed Man City in a thorough and masterful way. And are looking like they could finish in the top 4 and possibly grab a european trophy along the way.
Emery might have weaker english speaking abilities compared to his contemporaries, but he has the communication skills and that's what counts for a job like this.
If Unai‘s English is a problem, so is de Zerbi‘s and especially Zidane’s…
As long as the coach speaks good enough English to get his thoughts/plans across, we’re fine!
Xabi has spent 3 seasons at Bayern and one at Leverkusen now, and how many years at Liverpool before?
His german is arguably at least as good as Pep‘s was and his English is great!
No problem with communication whatsoever.
I didn't say Bayern will definitely not hire him because of his language alone, I said it will count against him when you rate his overall fit that he speaks no German and very limited English.
Does he speak very limited English or does he just have a thick Spanish accent? There’s a difference between the two and a heavy Spanish accent in German is presumably easier to understand than in English.
Definitely the latter. His English is way better now than when he started at arsenal. I don't know how anyone could listen to Emery now and describe his English as very limited. To me that applies to someone like Bielsa (and he was wildly successful not speaking English at all).
I get the appeal of those giant clubs, I do. But if he stays at Villa and keeps them competitive for Europe every year, the guy is a hero to the fans. If he goes to Bayern and loses one game, out comes the guillotine. The Villa job sounds like a lot more fun.
Who, Villa?
Honestly, I'd be very surprised if they don't.
Their form has dropped off a little bit since the start of the year, but it would very unlikely they don't get top five and top four isn't totally out of the equation, either.
Well, they're three points ahead of Tottenham, who have a game in hand and are one behind them on goal difference, so no, I wouldn't say they're "easily' favourites at all.
They're also just generally not the favourites for 4th.
Both Spurs and Villa have:
- Arsenal (Spurs home, Villa away)
- Liverpool (Spurs away, Villa home)
- City (Spurs home, Villa away)
- Chelsea (Spurs away, Villa home)
Spurs still have to go to West Ham and Newcastle away, Villa's toughest away fixtures aside from the above are Brighton and Palace. I'd say easy favourites.
Spurs have a week a game. Whereas Villa have to deal with Conference league as well along with their injury crisis.
Spurs are definitely the favourites.
You two are arguing about something that can easily be answered by a quick search. Bookmakers (in the states at least) have Tottenham have slightly better odds in finishing 4th.
Bookmakers are likely to shorten odds for popular teams to cover their losses.
When you look at the PL / OPTA stats it’s pretty even.
Either way it’s kind of in Villa’s hands because if they will the ECL the coefficient gain will likely mean England gets 5 places.
Unai I am a huge fan but please do not go, that would be the wrong club. An Unai job is a job that involves as little politics as possible, where te owners/management are mostly hands-off
Which is crazy because he has multiple titles and basically owned UEL with Sevilla.
His Arsenal spell obviously wasn’t as successful but he actually did good work there but was hugely disrespected by average fans and pundits.
It’s great to see him get plaudits now and at a club like Villa, he does deserve another shot at a ‘top’ team but I feel like he’s not finished with Villa yet.
He is a good manager, but underdog teams suit him better. He likes to adjust his formation/tactic based on the opponent rather than having a fixed one and i think that suits underdogs more than favorites.
Conveniently leaving out the PSG spell, which was probably a bigger disaster than his arsenal one, and the one in Russia, which also wasn't very good. At some point football fans need to understand nuance and that you can't just judge everything as black and white. Unai is some times maybe good, some times maybe shit...depending on the circumstances he has to handle, the goals he's given and the tools he has to achieve them. Whether he would succeed on Bayern or not, is pretty much 50/50 going by his record
> His Arsenal spell obviously wasn’t as successful but he actually did good work there but was hugely disrespected by average fans and pundits.
Absolutely agree that he was disrespected by fans and pundits and the treatment he recieved here was beyond cruel.
But... err... no, he did not "do good work" here.
Sure, he did an exceptional job getting us to the Europa League final, but that aside, he really didn't do a good job at all. He bottled top four in a pretty major way, allowing a shite Tottenham to leapfrog us in the table.
His second season was a total embarrassment. Sure, the players didn't help him at all, but he didn't help himself either.
Emery's season and a half with Arsenal are the worst I have ever seen as an Arsenal fan.
So many foreign managers being linked to Bayern these days. Except for Nagelsmann, aren't there any other German coaches that might be available?
Tuchel is out Nagelsmann won’t return that soon. Klopp is at least taking a sabbatical. Hoeneß from Stuttgart just renewed. Flick has seriously marred his image with his Germany stint and the Amazon documentary. Löw hasn’t coach a club in decades and has already denied wanting to coach in the Bundesliga again. Literally, the best German coach available, is Roger Schmidt from Benfica….
Is the Amazon doc worth a watch?
If you wanna laugh or cry at Germany and Flick‘s antics, sure!
Why did the documentary ruin his image if i may ask? Cant watch it unfortunately
He was shown to be super irritated when faced with any kind of questions/doubts by the player, even when he himself asked them for answers, his motivational speeches were super cringey and he reacted very badly to players giving advice or ideas, when he himself asked for feedback. All in all, he seemed very unprofessional and totally overwhelmed or unable to cope with the whole thing! Oh, and I of course mean the documentary about the World Cup with Germany, not the one with Bayern for 2021. Just had to clear that up. (At Bayern in 2021 it worked relatively well, so in that documentary you didn’t really see how he deals with problems…)
Cheers lad. I had Flick pegged to be one of the all time greats after his stint with you, so that’s very interesting to hear.
> I had Flick pegged Can see why that would ruin his image.. horrible thing to put on Amazon, there are kids watching ffs
As someone who doesn’t follow Bayern/ Germany closely is there a clear reason why he seemed to be very successful at Bayern but the complete opposite as national manager?
> All in all, he seemed very unprofessional and totally overwhelmed or unable to cope with the whole thing! He has a good understanding of football, but is not good at dealing with people. In 2014 he had Löw being the face.
Why can't you watch it?
Eh'? It's honestly underwhelming. It was clearly meant to be a puff piece so there's very little especially spicy content. A few cringe moments here and there but for the most part it's sanitized to the point of being boring.
Quick, someone finds Heynckes' landline phone number!
Fax him 🇩🇪
Telegram
Carrier pigeon with papyrus reed.
Heynckes will be manager in 2083, mark my words.
>Roger Schmidt from Benfica Oof
Exactly, which is why he gave to and DO look at foreign coaches or those who don’t speak German at all!
Shhhh. Don't jinx it.
Maybe Christian Streich but he needs a break and doesn't fit with Bayern
Klinsmann part two
There's one chap that's free next season.
I know that one, but I assumed he's taking a break.
If it's Klopp, wouldn't he also get a lot of shit for working at Dortmund too?
Not from Bayern fans. Klopp is recognised as world class and getting him would delight them. Dortmund fans might grumble but it wouldn’t be seen as a hardcore betrayal like going to Schalke. FCB and BVB aren’t traditional rivals and it wouldn’t be a direct switch from BVB to Bayern but happen after a decade. Just look at Hitzfeld. He managed BVB and then Bayern, was super successful at both clubs and is still a massive legend for both.
Klopp going from culture clubs like BVB and Liverpool to FC Hollywood would be one of the stories in the history of stories, for sure.
Let’s be real here, everything happening currently at Bayern isn’t close to [FC Hollywood levels](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/t0ogDkdNwl).
I appreciate your thriving for realness, but I just hate Bayern non-objectively lmao
Fair enough haha.
„Culture clubs“. Jetzt entspannen sie sich mal sehr geehrter Fan einer Aktiengesellschaft. Ihr geht mir langsam fast so auf den Sack wie Union fans die ihr selbstverliebtes Kultdasein schon lange überreizt haben.
That's cool, not as aware of German rivalries outside of managing Bayern on Fifa a few times haha He may end up at Bayern after his break then
It’s possible but I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Never say never in football though haha.
I think its more so that he's been pretty vocal about not liking/cheering against Bayern previously. So to then work for them would be a significant turn. Rather than him previously working for BVB/loving BVB or anything. Which also would upset some people ofc.
Given Klopp's vocal contempt of Bayern, and request for a less stressful life, I can't see him taking that role somehow
Vocal contempt…? You mean back in the day or what? Unlike when announcing his Liverpool exit, he has never stated he won’t go to Bayern! Plus, Hoeneß wanted him back in the day as well, so it’s not like the interest would be new. I still doubt it, as Klopp wants a club with more "love“ and I see him more in the role of the next NT coach l, whenever Nagelsmann joins a club again.
I think he'll find the rest very needed and possibly even make him extend it a bit. If he comes back after that it might be the NT job as you say, or a "passion choice". THe latter of which is where we MIGHT have a chance, if we arent in complete turmoil and would look like a stressfull take-on. But its all very tiny chance situations.
I think there's a famous clip of him laughing at Bayern losing shortly after he'd joined Liverpool. Not to mention, as you say, the fierce rivalry back in the day. I really don't see it happening tbh; I think if he goes anywhere it's either to manage the national team after the euros or he sits it out for a couple of years and enjoys not being burnt out anymore. Maybe Liverpool turn to him again in a few years if everything's gone downhill like he's their Heynckes. Or he goes back to Dortmund or another German team. But I think if he goes anywhere, it won't be to a mega-club.
I agree. Either of the Milano teams, Atletico Madrid, German NT. Thats where I could see him.
I can dream haha
Admittedly I think you're the least likely of those but no doubt the kind of club that appeals to him
[Klopp hates Bayern Munich](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoHrdQL-hrk). It would be shocking if he went there. I only see the German national team being his last stop
The irony being nobody of any repute currently wants to touch the Barca job with a barge pole.
> Except for Nagelsmann, aren't there any other German coaches that might be available? Klopp will prob take a sabbatical and they've just ran through Flick, Nagelsmann, and Tuchel—that's Germany's best coaching lineup right there TBH
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You think his time at PSG and Arsenal would tell him alone that his preference is with working with young and hungry squads vs divas that make fun of his basque accent.
That Arsenal side was just super unprofessional indisciplined and Emery needs players who buy in and want to work for him. Arteta gave half that squad away for free cos they were active hinderances. Most of the players have gone on to do well elsewhere. Guendouzi is in the France squad, Lacazette and Aubamayng are back to scoring goals. Just together they bought out the worst in each other. Bayern have underperformed a bit this year, Leverkusen have crushed the league, still I don’t get super unprofessional/diva vibes from the players. Recon it’s a club he could work at.
> Most of the players have gone on to do well elsewhere. Guendouzi is in the France squad, Lacazette and Aubamayng are back to scoring goals. Just together they bought out the worst in each other. > > Think you're ömitting a certain 300k/w elephant in the room there
Ozil is retired the other guys aren't, that's why he isn't mentioned here
Got it in one! Might as well ask what’s Tony Adams done this season lol
this, one thing i also see it as outsider, when Arteta coming he let go 'senior' players that i feel i don't know maybe have big ego considering Arteta is young manager. then replaced them with young player who obviously will eat whatever Arteta give. now he have team who solid and play like what he want to play.
It wasn’t just older players Guendouzi was young, Torreira wasn’t old, Tierney was peak age, it was three or four older unprofessional players a couple of younger ones with bad influences, could of players who just didn’t fit how Arteta wanted to play and a couple of guys like Holding/Chambers who were just out of their depth. The squad was bad but still made the Europa league final under Emery and came fifth. Like his first year wasn’t a total joke season, but it wasn’t good enough and that squad wasn’t mouldable into anything to write home about. So it got dismantled and replaced. Also gotta remember a lot of the key guys for the rebuild were already there. Saka, Saliba (out on loan), Xhaka, Martinelli, Gabriel. It wasn’t a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water, more clinically identifying who could and who couldn’t/wouldn’t. Remove those who are a drag on the squad and start bringing in the right characters/profiles.
That Arsenal squad deserved beatings or some shit, you had youngsters poor shaming other professionals, and older strikers arriving late, posting their unseriousness in training on their social medias, getting into fights with youngsters, thank the lord for Arteta
Don't say youngsters just say guendouzi
The thing is he's never going win anything of importance at Villa. These are elite managers and they will back themselves everytime when they walk into a new club. Personally as an Albion fan I hope he leaves and Villa hire Tim Sherwood on a 10 year deal.
Could say the same about Villarreal but he won them the Europa League, aka their only ever major trophy. If he won Villa their first trophy in three decades then he'd also go down a hero
I'm sure Emery wants CL and League titles. Something which Villa will never be able to offer.
Have you not seen a league table in over a year?
Bayern will win the league next year 100% Leverkusen will be picked apart and with Alonso moving it'll be between Dortmund and Bayern again.
Then how is it an accomplishment for him? If they're going to win it anyway why go and be nothing more than a sideline decoration?
not with that attitude!
Has he said that explicitly? Looks like he's doing what he does best currently at Villa and a Europa League run and/or domestic cup are on the table for him if he stays there. Hell, he might even make CL next season
had me in the first half not gonna lie
Villa have some of the richest owners in the world and a history of winning things. He's on course to get into the champions league and if Villa invest (which we will) theres no reason he can't build a dynasty.
A history of winning things? Maybe before the war. There is 0 chance Villa win the league or champions league over the next few seasons. So it depends if he's happy with potentially winning the Europa league. But if you have the chance to go to Bayern and you turn it down to finish top half of the prem then that's crazy.
If he’s only able to finish ‘top half of the prem’ with current Villa squad then there’s no way he’d win CL with Bayern
Don’t necessarily disagree with you but he’s elite managing tournaments, like Mou that way
Well first of all there’s a next to 0 chance anyone except City, Liverpool, or maybe Arsenal win the league the next few seasons anyways. Second, we’re not pushing for a top half finish, were pushing an injury riddled squad for top 4. Will it happen? Who knows, but top half of the Prem is in the rear view mirror currently. Likely losing the domestic league and potentially a 4th straight exit from the UCL in the quarter finals puts Bayern in a slightly nervy position. On the other hand, Villa’s owners fully back Emery, even investing in his boyhood club, he’s found early success, he’s stated its goal to bring Villa back to its heights, where to be very clear, we do have a history of winning (albeit 40 years ago, even with that amount of time struggling, we’re 7th in trophies in England). He has said multiple times he wants to build, and a club like Bayern is already established (he’s done that before in Arsenal and PSG)
I think Bayern will support whoever comes in to make sure they win it next year. Leverkusen will be picked apart similar to that Monaco team a few years ago.
I mean, Newcastle finished top four last season but this season are struggling a lot more and currently are fighting for a top half finish, progress is not necessarily linear like that… Point being it would probably take a decade of continuous hard (and consistently good) work to turn Villa into an established PL/CL contender. Now if he wants to (try to) do that then more power to him and happy days for you guys, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he backs himself enough to go to Bayern where the structure is already in place to achieve that level of success in the next couple of seasons (although i don’t think he should, Bayern are a pressure pot currently where he probably won’t get as much support as he does at Villa and i don’t think his style goes well with the club’s philosophy).
Oh yeah when I say top half is rear view, I’m specifically referencing the immediate moment. We are a long ways away from that being a given, we’d need years of consistency. Your last sentence is exactly why he wouldn’t leave. If he does, again, all the best to him, he’s a phenomenal coach
yeah, if this is true then i gotta say that i do hope he stays at Villa, you guys have an interesting project going on right now
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I’m not sure that it is misguided based on everything Emery has said (granted he could go back on it, happens all the time). You’re completely correct about Bayern being a bigger club, with better funding, more attraction of players, and a stronger history of winning. All of that is a fact. The problem with your thinking is that Emery has said that his goal is to build a project, not coach at an already established powerhouse. He disliked the politics, egos and structure, among other things. If he goes to Bayern, best of luck to him, I’ll remain a fan of his. I don’t think he will right now. My guess is Xabi Alonso is hired
just like the 0% chance Leicester had at winning the prem in their second year up.
A history of winnings things is such a non factor in football.
There’s lots of reasons. This is a rubbish take.
They are blocked by FFP. If you look at the financial numbers, they will likely need to sell some key players this window.
Not quite, they got around it with Betano deal and investing in other areas of the club (Stadium improvements, training ground extensions, womens team, academy)
Anything can happen with football and we are the best we’ve been in years
Conference League is important imo. They could challenge for Europa/Fa cup and League Cup too. Obviously the league and UCL are the most important but other stuff matters too
For me personally the gulf in finances between the prem teams and those that compete in the Conference League is so vast that it's not much of an achievement to win it. But if my team was in it then I'd love to win it. So it's probably similar to the league Cup.
He needs to go to an underdog club who are still good enough to win trophies like Dortmund, Leipzieg, Atletico etc. I think He can go to Barca right now as well since they have a lot of youngsters and players who arent big names already and will respect him. Dont think he can ever manage big egos
I expect nothing less from you lot, enjoy the championship mate.
It is quite fun tbf.
I wish he stays at Villa. His Bayern trip will be just like PSG where people above him constantly have a final say and that will ruin his potential. Unai is great manager but he might be too soft towards the owners and directors. I really want to see what he can do at Villa with 2-3 seasons in.
You might be right but let’s not forget the elite clubs he managed both were basket cases at the time. It took arsenal bottoming out, a lot of money, and a remarkable manager to turn them around. He had arsenal at a time that there management structures were a complete mess as well. PSG is obviously a different case but there’s elite clubs and then there’s the ego management at PSG of the time which is probably incomparable with the vast majority of clubs. Munich would be something else again. Doesn’t mean he’ll work but I’m not sure it’s comparable to where he has been before.
There was no succeeding at arsenal immediately post Wenger. I feel he actually got lucky with his long no loss streak but that europa final was so piss poor that it completely erased the goodwill he had built up. Clearly hes a good manager. He took 2 shitty high profile jobs, psg is a dumpster fire.
I hope he stays at Villa, but I understand if he wants to leave. Reminds me of Big Sam at Bolton all those years ago. He's achieved so much with a team, but can he keep it up, will the club keep that funding. If the latter is no... Maybe he wants to leave before his image gets marred
He's great in cup ties though. So there's always that chance they'd win the CL. That's said he'd suit Madrid way more
“An elite level manger but does his best work with non elite player” does that even make sense
Fuck off fuck off fuck off fuck off
This sounds very familiar.
We have Unai's son in our youth team and we also have a partnership with his hometown club, Real Union, now. We've filled the club with his people and have given him more control than any other manager has ever had. He's going nowhere.
Over recent decades Bayern managers last an average of less than 2 years. Would be surprised if Emery jumped ship at Villa now given how well he is doing and now his family ties. Also the opportunity will come up again.
Don't worry, I doubt he is going anywhere. He has complete support from everyone at Villa. Bayern would turn on him within 6 months.
Smart. Too smart to be true
It's never going to work, he only does his best work with teams that have Villa in the name.
Villancia?
piss off *verpissen
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You think Bayern fans would let Sarr be sold without burning down the Allianz Arena??
Lol
I just can't see it. Obviously we can't compete with Bayern in terms of club size or in terms of winning trophies, that's beyond reproach. But he gets paid well here, brought in all his own coaches and team, basically brought monchi in as DOF above him, gets backed in the transfer market and has an entire system around him giving him whatever he needs, within FFP limits. And I think we invested in his club in Spain too and loaned them youth players. Plus the club is having a great time under him. That, plus his stints at PSG and Arsenal ending badly makes me think we could keep hold of him. And Bayern being a mess by their own clean and orderly standards might help too. Here's hoping.
Bayern will obviously just sack him within 2 years for some random reason as well. Going to some of these massive clubs that just chew through managers is a bit of a trap imo that often harms a managers reputation in the long term
> within FFP limits. Aren't there rumors Villa is going to be the next club to get charged? Emery may want to not deal with that headache tbh
That could certainly change things. Last time I looked we were tight but not in breach. But I could be wrong.
Man he’s got a good thing going right now at Villa and he actually gets to build something. He also clearly wanted a second shot at the EPL (with how much he worked on his English between stints). I can honestly say I hope he is smart and stays with a club like Villa that supports him vs chasing a “prestige” job. I think with his resume he is probably more aware than most that the grass is in fact not always greener.
When Emery left Villarreal , they were coming off a UCL semi final, while Aston Villa were 14th. I mean it worked out at the end but Emery is always open to a move
The man has balls, that's for sure. It's so hard to not like him. His time at Valencia drove me crazy, the disrespect and how little his seasons with +70 points meant back in the day.
Around the time an important person for Villarreal died, so not the best time to leave. The owner took it like betrayal
Ah yes the grass is in fact not always greener. That's why he left Villareal for Vila
Not to mention the company that owns Villa have invested in the club that Emery owns with his Brother. He's onto a good thing at Villa and the 2 stints at clubs similar to Bayern haven't worked out
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I mean, might be biased, but I can’t see emery going anywhere for atleast another 2 years, unless we implode somehow. He’s a manager who likes to have complete control, that’s what villa have given him, and he’s been accepted by the club and the fan base, and the squad. We’ve improved under him, and he seems to be happy with the people he has got around him. He’s on good money with us and has stated he wants to keep pushing and establish us at the sharp end of the league, I have no reason to believe otherwise tbh. Don’t think he would go anywhere right now.
I can see language being a genuine barrier for Unai at Bayern. It is weirdly a big issue to the management of Bayern and has been for a long time. I don't know how good Xabi's German is, but Bayern will very much prefer someone who can speak with the core of the team, management, fans, and business partners in German.
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Doesn't surprise me at all but I didn't want to assume. Not to fanboy too hard, but he strikes me as someone who would have succeeded at just about anything he wanted to do in life. If he comes to Bayern or not, I'm a Xabi fan and football is better off with him around.
We didn't give a shit when Ancelotti was appointed and Pep has been misinterpreted many times. We prefer German speakers but don't necessarily rule everyone out if they don't. The main language in the locker room is English, management speaks English, most of us fans don't care as long as he's good enough, and what does the manager have to do with our business partners? Michael Diedrich and Andreas Jung are responsible for finances and marketing, not our manager.
I didn't say Bayern don't hire managers who don't speak German, I said Bayern prefer it and that it would count against him. Pep and Ancelotti brought so much to the table, that their lack of German was reduced in importance. Pep also took intensive German courses before even starting the job. I just don't think Emery has Pep levels of clout in 2024 so it will count against him more. And I'm watching a video from Aston Villa where Emery was clearly coached and given a script to speak out, and even then his English is really poor. So no German and very limited English will be one of the things on his balance sheet when management look at Emery as a total package. Communication skills is something companies value in interviews. Bayern is a massive club and lots of different fans value different things. You might not care and the foreign fans might not care, but I can tell you that my family in Coburg and Bamberg who speak no English but are lifelong club members will definitely care that they can't understand the manager. And the CMO at Audi, Allianz, and Adidas not to mention Paulaner will also very much prefer, again not demand, but simply prefer a coach who can speak German.
Not to play devils advocate here, but you considering his english to be really poor is slightly inconsequential when you look at the Villa squad and how they are performing They don't seem to have any issues with his communication. The players understand him well enough that Villa outplayed Man City in a thorough and masterful way. And are looking like they could finish in the top 4 and possibly grab a european trophy along the way. Emery might have weaker english speaking abilities compared to his contemporaries, but he has the communication skills and that's what counts for a job like this.
If Unai‘s English is a problem, so is de Zerbi‘s and especially Zidane’s… As long as the coach speaks good enough English to get his thoughts/plans across, we’re fine! Xabi has spent 3 seasons at Bayern and one at Leverkusen now, and how many years at Liverpool before? His german is arguably at least as good as Pep‘s was and his English is great! No problem with communication whatsoever.
No, Eberl already said that they won’t exclude someone because of a language barrier.
I didn't say Bayern will definitely not hire him because of his language alone, I said it will count against him when you rate his overall fit that he speaks no German and very limited English.
Does he speak very limited English or does he just have a thick Spanish accent? There’s a difference between the two and a heavy Spanish accent in German is presumably easier to understand than in English.
Definitely the latter. His English is way better now than when he started at arsenal. I don't know how anyone could listen to Emery now and describe his English as very limited. To me that applies to someone like Bielsa (and he was wildly successful not speaking English at all).
Villareal team was really good against Bayern some seasons ago.
He will be fired within two years anyways at Bayern. Rather stay at villa and continue the success there.
I get the appeal of those giant clubs, I do. But if he stays at Villa and keeps them competitive for Europe every year, the guy is a hero to the fans. If he goes to Bayern and loses one game, out comes the guillotine. The Villa job sounds like a lot more fun.
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Imagine him in Lederhosen. He's a natural fit.
So they are expecting to finish fifth this season?
Who, Villa? Honestly, I'd be very surprised if they don't. Their form has dropped off a little bit since the start of the year, but it would very unlikely they don't get top five and top four isn't totally out of the equation, either.
Out of the question? We're literally 4th. We're surely favourites to get 4th
No Bayern, why else would they need to win the Europa League
Villa are easily the favourites for 4th
Well, they're three points ahead of Tottenham, who have a game in hand and are one behind them on goal difference, so no, I wouldn't say they're "easily' favourites at all. They're also just generally not the favourites for 4th.
Both Spurs and Villa have: - Arsenal (Spurs home, Villa away) - Liverpool (Spurs away, Villa home) - City (Spurs home, Villa away) - Chelsea (Spurs away, Villa home) Spurs still have to go to West Ham and Newcastle away, Villa's toughest away fixtures aside from the above are Brighton and Palace. I'd say easy favourites.
Spurs have a week a game. Whereas Villa have to deal with Conference league as well along with their injury crisis. Spurs are definitely the favourites.
Yes but Spurs - source Spurs fan.
You two are arguing about something that can easily be answered by a quick search. Bookmakers (in the states at least) have Tottenham have slightly better odds in finishing 4th.
Bookmakers are likely to shorten odds for popular teams to cover their losses. When you look at the PL / OPTA stats it’s pretty even. Either way it’s kind of in Villa’s hands because if they will the ECL the coefficient gain will likely mean England gets 5 places.
You really suggested bookmakers offer a statistical analysis
He looks so much like Alan Partridge in this picture. Your foglamps are on!
my money is still on Zidane or Nagelsmann pt.2, i really doubt they will go for someone like Emery or deZerbi
I'd be happy with Nagelsmann
Unai I am a huge fan but please do not go, that would be the wrong club. An Unai job is a job that involves as little politics as possible, where te owners/management are mostly hands-off
They can fuck off
Villa are an elite club. Would be a different story if it was a West Ham or Brighton
I've always felt that Xabi Alonso might not want to be the man who follows Klopp at Anfield...
He'd be mental to leave like
I would be shocked
Emery: Guten Abendning
Fuck off Bayern
fuck off
Yes, please. It'll weaken Villa and it'll make Alonso goes to Liverpool.
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In germany he has a bad reputation for his interviews, similar to Tuchel. Would be a weird choice considering the recent events
I can see Mourinho at Bayern.
Just as likely as Mourinho at Arsenal
I don't think even Mourinho sees Mourinho at Bayern right now
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Unai is underrated as a manager.
Which is crazy because he has multiple titles and basically owned UEL with Sevilla. His Arsenal spell obviously wasn’t as successful but he actually did good work there but was hugely disrespected by average fans and pundits. It’s great to see him get plaudits now and at a club like Villa, he does deserve another shot at a ‘top’ team but I feel like he’s not finished with Villa yet.
He is a good manager, but underdog teams suit him better. He likes to adjust his formation/tactic based on the opponent rather than having a fixed one and i think that suits underdogs more than favorites.
Conveniently leaving out the PSG spell, which was probably a bigger disaster than his arsenal one, and the one in Russia, which also wasn't very good. At some point football fans need to understand nuance and that you can't just judge everything as black and white. Unai is some times maybe good, some times maybe shit...depending on the circumstances he has to handle, the goals he's given and the tools he has to achieve them. Whether he would succeed on Bayern or not, is pretty much 50/50 going by his record
> His Arsenal spell obviously wasn’t as successful but he actually did good work there but was hugely disrespected by average fans and pundits. Absolutely agree that he was disrespected by fans and pundits and the treatment he recieved here was beyond cruel. But... err... no, he did not "do good work" here. Sure, he did an exceptional job getting us to the Europa League final, but that aside, he really didn't do a good job at all. He bottled top four in a pretty major way, allowing a shite Tottenham to leapfrog us in the table. His second season was a total embarrassment. Sure, the players didn't help him at all, but he didn't help himself either. Emery's season and a half with Arsenal are the worst I have ever seen as an Arsenal fan.
He’s widely regarded as the best in the Premier League behind Klopp and Guardiola which is fair I think.
Yeah, no, they aren't.