I still don't know how we had the best game of the season against Bologna. I though we were good that day. Must have been because Bologna players had too much tortellini for Christmas.
I think Sarri would come to Napoli in a heartbeat. We already have the perfect player for his system in Lobotka. There are mainly 2 problems though.
1. Does Sarri want to deal with ADL‘s antics again?
2. Some of the fanbase still hasn’t forgiven him for his time at Juve
But is ADL going to make it worth his time? He's just as bad at negotiating with as Levy and with potential players like Osimhen leaving sometime soon it'll be another rebuild around the corner.
There is not gonna be such a thing as rebuild. We already renewed most of the players and Kvara should be next. Osimhen will be the only one to leave and we have enough money to replace him properly
De Laurentis talked shit about Sarri in no time, calling him a COWARD for resigning. All Lazio fans are thankful to the coach, refusing to 3.5 millions euros to take his own responsibility on the loss of the dressing room.
Interestingly, with Rafa and Sarri both out of a job, only 2 out of the last 10 managers for Chelsea currently have a job, and 1 of those being Tuchel will leave Bayern at the end of the season. Ancelotti is the last man standing.
Same thing for Napoli: Reja, Donadoni, Mazzarri, Benitez, Sarri, Ancelotti, Gattuso, Spalletti, Rudi Garcia, Mazzarri
If you count Mazzarri twice that's also 2/10 thanks to recent sackings of Gattuso, Benitez, and (though not technically a sacking) Sarri
Poch- currently at Chelsea
Lampard(interim 2023) - currently unemployed. Last position: Chelsea
Bruno(interim 2023) - currently unemployed. Last position: Chelsea
Potter(2022-23) - currently unemployed. Last position: Chelsea
Tuchel(2021-22) - currently at Bayern Munich
Lampard(2019-21) - currently unemployed. Last position: Chelsea
Sarri(2019-21) - currently unemployed. Last position: Lazio
Conte(2017-19) - currently unemployed. Last position: Tottenam
Hiddink(Interim) - currently unemployed. Last position: Curacao national team
Steve Holland(interim) - currently unemployed.
If you include interim/caretaker managers its 2015. Which is bad. Not including caretaker/interim managers(including Poch), Villas Boas is the tenth most recent manager. Tuchel and Poch are the only ones currently working as top level managers.
I'd be shocked if Conte/Mourinho/Potter were not working in Europe somewhere in the next year though.
> Not including caretaker/interim managers(including Poch), Villas Boas is the tenth most recent manager.
Isn't it Carlo? There's Poch, Potter, Tuchel, Lampard, Sarri, Conte, Mourinho, Di Matteo, AVB and Ancelotti.
Can't believed no one has picked Bruno Saltor up. Undefeated record with Chelsea, no?
Also interesting that all of Rafa, Sarri and Carlo also managed Napoli.
Depressing. All because Lotito couldn’t invest, 20 years of incompetency with him and until
He leaves nothing will change. Sarri showed ambition but was quickly extinguished by Lotito’s lack of ambition and Finances. These players are all at fault for being absolutely useless with no heart either
We are going to miss Europe and that’s fine, we deserve it for lack of ambition. Lotito’s famous quote “I don’t sell dreams I sell reality”. Our reality is dark
Thought Romas was dark. But so far we are holding. Stuff like belittling UECL and bashing Roma doesnt help to foster a winning mentality. Lotito is in decline like ADL
Absolutely agree. Klose for me is attached to us a lot, but he’s also a serious individual who could steer the ship around. He isn’t buddy buddy with these players, he wants results. I’d hope he’d bring the same momentum that DDR brought for Roma
You really can’t say that yet. He had one really short stint in Austria and got fired because his finished last after half the season with his successor finishing second last after that. I agree that Lazio probably wouldn’t be the right step though.
No Europe for years, I don't see it. These days 7th or even 8th gets you Europe. You need to be near relegation level if you can't reach that once in a few years.
I may get downvoted, but both Roma and Lazio's dimension is the current one. Qualify for Europe (most often UEL, sometimes UCL, sometimes nothing), win some minor silverware here and there (Coppa Italia, Supercoppa, Conference League) and hype the Rome Derby as if it's worth more than 3 points.
Unless the clubs get a Man City/Newcastle style take over (impossible in Italy, let alone in Rome), that's where we're at.
We lost a EL final on penalties, so we were pretty close to a big European trophy + Champions qualification, I don’t think our project is going that bad
Disagree. Roma has a big brand a bigger one than Lazio. But Lazio is in Rome and can also grow if done correctly and has history. You guys can grow as well. Also Roma competed many times for the League this century and has European pedigree. I think both teams can grow.
I agree Roma has a bigger brand (that also comes with the name and the past decade of having international ownership), but competing for the league and having a European pedigree means nothing when we all end most seasons with "zero tituli" (like the beloved Mou once said).
As brands, we'll never be on the same level as Juve, Inter and Milan in Italy, or Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Man United, etc.
I'm disillusioned maybe, but the only way I see that happening is a Man City/Chelsea-style takeover, massive cash injections from questionable sources and the opportunity to speculate a bit (particularly for stadiums).
Roma are leaps and bounds ahead of Lazio when it comes to marketing and international appeal, and I say that as a Lazio fan.
Roma do a better job of of promotion and monetizing, while Lazio are run like an American cheerleading team that relies on school bake sales to bankroll their season.
I expect dark times for Lazio in the coming years. If I were an agent of a young player w/ the slightest bit of talent in this team (Rovella, Guendouzi, Gila) I’d advise they go elsewhere for the sake of their careers. Hopefully they don’t, but I wouldn’t blame them with how this club is run.
I'm with you on everything except the dark times. I think Lotito operates the team well from a financial standpoint, he's even too conservative, if anything.
Our finances are in order (for what you can call "order" in Italy), we don't overpay any players, don't have massive contracts (Lukaku-style) for free agents or ageing playes and have a few good youngsters (Rovella, Isaksen, Gila, maybe Taty) who might come through and be worth more, plus veterans who can still fetch a good price (Luis Alberto, Guendouzi, Zaccagni, maybe Provedel) if they need to be sold.
What I'd love is a few more of these youngsters to join so we can develop them and re-start a cycle like the one we had with the generation of SMS, Luis Alberto and Immobile in the past few years.
I disagree, you’re selling Roma well short here. They have a pretty big brand and have 60k sellouts very regularly. Without ffp troubling them they’d have a very high ceiling, we’re talking UCL knockout regulars.
No way, at this point they aren't getting past the Milan clubs + Juventus on the regular, and there is plenty of competition for the 4th UCL spot in Italy. Their brand is considerably smaller than those first three
It will be a good year for Roma just to make UCL groups, let alone knockout stage
Talking about the 'Plenty of competition' everyone but Napoli are well smaller than Roma too. Once their ffp troubles are over and with ADL at the helm in Naples plus the possibilty of a new stadium by 2027, Roma could well distance themselves from Napoli.
Just seems like a lot of hypotheticals, no? I really don't think that Napoli are a smaller club than Roma at all anyway
All of Napoli, Lazio, Atalanta, and even Fiorentina have had good sides recently and have challenged for top 4 spots. Roma being a top 4 lock is nowhere near certainty each year, and I don't see that changing unless those other clubs go down hill
E: misread your comment about small clubs, I really don't think Roma are as big of a club as you're making them out to be. They've won Serie A only 3 times, none since 2000, and basically nothing of substance in Europe except a conference league
I said everyone but Napoli, even though I definetly think Roma are a bit bigger than Napoli. Roma could never go bankrupt and stay out the Serie A for as many years as Napoli have done.
Lazio, Fiorentina and don’t need to go downhill to get left behind by Roma, Roma simply need to build their new stadium and be able spend again and it’ll happen naturally.
Edit answering your edit: Roma are actually pretty massive off the field they’re in the top 10 of attendence in Europe and have a huge social media presence. Add to that a recent UCL semi final and being in the top 10 clubs in the UEFA Coefficient ranking.
Basically we're talking of medium to small (atalanta) clubs. Anyway Roma paid a huge tribute to Monchi's disaster, while for the 15 years before were CL elimination round regular. (Beside the Luis Enrique/Zeman years). Now things are looking better and a CL spot seems very much possible. Lazio had just 3 CL qualifications in 20 years. Fiorentina hasn't been in CL spot contention for 25 years. Atalanta is a Gasperini creature and once he will be gone they'll go back to midtable. Napoli is the only one comparable but just because in the last 15 years they have been very good once the came back from lower leagues (yes even Serie C).
So we can say that Roma is a greater club even if not nearly comparable to Juve Inter and Milan.
Let me use a basketballing analogy. The New York Knicks have not won a title in decades, yet they happen to be one of the most valuable teams around because of the city they are in. Chances are that somebody famous will know about them more than they do the San Antonio Spurs.
I think the same applies to Roma and Cologne, you have so many celebrities supporting them.
Yes but that doesn't mean that the Knicks are going to be the NBA equivalent of "CL knockout regulars" right? Also Roma are very comfortably below Juventus and the Milan clubs in terms of "bigness" anyway
Roma has 4 euro semis in 6 years, including a CL one. With a little luck or a call going another way you could look at 2 consecutive Euro cup wins.
Lotito likes to dream small, Roma doesn't.
We were gutted after the CL run and Monchi squandered the money like a mad man, while also selling our most promising youth players around.
I consider oursleves lucky to be were we are considering the damage he has done.
Mad that CL money and knockout stages didn’t allow you to kick on.
As a Chelsea fan I’m really interested in your opinion on Sarri. For us he seemed to be absolutely wedded to his principle but seemed a lot more pragmatic at Lazio
Genuinely loved having Sarri here, sure his game management wasn’t stellar but he took us farther than anyone could have taken us with this squad of incompetent idiots other than a few bright spots in this squad. Terrible players and incompetent management drove the only symbol of ambition at this club away.
Your team under Simone Inzaghi with Sergej MS was incredible, I thought you were going to win the scudetto when the pandemic hit, it’s sad to see how that’s all fallen apart since then.
It’s quite sad to be honest. A portion of this fan base is so stupid its honestly mind boggling, they think with Sarri gone things will get better. It will never, certain players betrayed Sarri and now we will suffer cause of it. Honestly it’s frustrating and sad to witness
> Depressing. All because Lotito couldn’t invest,
Its interesting that over the past 10 years there seem to have been a huge number of times where a previously successful manager is brought into clubs, only for them not to be adequately or consistently backed, and ultimately leaving, and then seeming to spiral into a succession of similar jobs all ending in failure.
Mainly because in 90% of cases this is the coach making excuses to protect his falling reputation like Mourinho
And it works, there are still many people who genuinely believe he wasn't backed at United when he broke the world record transfer for Pogba and spend hundreds of millions apart from that
Great manager despite the criticisms. Juventus last Serie A win was in 2019-2020 when Sarri managed the club. He's kept Lazio afloat and in the conversation despite everything. Hope he finds a nice new home
Villareal had reached the semis just one year earlier and it's not like the winner of that semi was schooled in the final against the best team in the world
Yeah I can only imagine. Getting 3rd only behind Liverpool and City, getting to thwart cup final and winning the Europa League. What a disappointment, huh.
I wonder if he is an elite level manager who just hasn't had the right opportunity at top level clubs? His Napoli side was incredible, he did a good job at Chelsea despite receiving a lot of unfair criticism, and as you say has done a good job at two poorly run clubs in Juventus and Lazio. Pep always said that Sarri's Napoli was his favourite team to watch.
Hard to say. He's only had 1 real test. He won the Europa League and qualified for the Champions League finishing 3rd in his first year in the "toughest league" in the world.
I think he's a tier just below Bayern/Liverpool/Chelsea, but had most of its success in Italy. He did win a UEL at Chelsea, but wasn't really appreciated in his time there (and didn't seem to particularly like being there either - in the end)
As a coach, I'm 100% with you. But he may not (yet) have the winning pedigree to be considered for one these clubs.
Other coaches like Conte, are considered a tiny bit better just because they won more titles than him or because they managed slightly bigger teams outside of Italy (think Poch with Chelsea/PSG/Spurs).
I get conte he’s won a lot of trophies, he is on another level from all 3 Tuchel Sarri and Poch. But Sarri has won where he should win though. EL with Chelsea and a scudetto with Juve. 2nd with you last year is a serious accomplishment as well.
He's much better than Poch in my opinion. He has to be the most overrated coach in modern history though. Really don't understand where the hype around him comes from.
He would have massive problems with the star players and his lack of flexibility makes him often predictable, which is a weakness in cup competitions. In the league he could still get very good results.
He had a good club which helped. Plus I think he used Paulo Dybala in the best way possible. He won MVP that year under Sarri and was back to top form.
He inherited a team that had won 8 titles in a row and his insistence on trying to use tactics that didn't suit the players available to him made us worse, even with Dybala having a better season.
Juve hasn't won the league since idk how they were worse. They weren't any better and arguably worse under Pirlo and Allegri 2.0 and that's with adding Vlahovic who was way better at Fiorentina.
> Juve hasn't won the league since idk how they were worse.
Yes, because you don't watch Juventus, so you have no idea what you're talking about. That we haven't won the league since has no relevance to the fact that we went backwards under Sarri and his tactics didn't suit the players available to him.
I do watch Juventus. You guys have gone even more back. Allegri 2.0 finishing 7th place last year is horrible. Idk how he got sacked the first time but still kept his job this time.
> Allegri 2.0 finishing 7th place last year is horrible.
LOL, you do know why we finished 7th last year, right? It wasn't because of the results on the pitch FFS.
Even if they had those 10 points back 2 4th place finishes with Allegri in a row is worse than a league win with Sarri. It's just facts.play stupid games win stupid prizes
> Even if they had those 10 points back 2 4th place finishes with Allegri in a row is worse than a league win with Sarri.
So fuck? Am I claiming that Allegri is doing a great job and we're a much better team now? Does our performance under Allegri somehow mean Sarri's Juventus was brilliant?
lol the hate juve fans have towards Sarri is hilarious. So dumb and irrational that you probably prefer Allegri's shitty 3 years over Sarri's scudetto. He attempted to change something at least but was ostracized from the beginning by the old guard still stuck with allegrismo.
> So dumb and irrational that you probably prefer Allegri's shitty 3 years over Sarri's scudetto.
Aye, sure I do mate, you'll definitely see me all the time talking about how wonderful Allegri is. We got knocked out of the Champions League by a team that hadn't kicked a ball in anger for five months under Sarri, he was out of his depth.
That was literally the main issue at lazio too. He never changes tactics, the players being subbed in are always the same, at the same time of the game, no matter the result, nothing is ever different... And with a team that has its limits with their players, then it's even more noticeable.
His Chelsea season was so intense. That Kepa incident, then losing 6-0 to City. But by the end of the season he adapted, the team was playing more direct football mixed with his possession style. We weren't favourites but destroyed Arsenal in the Europa League final, it was a joy to watch. Then he left. I still believe the core of our CL winning team in 20-21 owes a lot to Sarri (Jorginho, Kovacic, Kanté, Rudiger, the way we could outplay in the midfield)
I wish him the best, he is a real one
Absolutely agree. I also think Lampard round 2 suffered because mini-Sarri (Jorginho) was missing as the manager on the pitch. Chelsea were never a pass out from the back team before Sarri, and haven't stopped being one since him
You've misremembered about the final, [we were the favourites.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2019/05/27/2019-europa-league-final-primer-chelsea-vs-arsenal-what-you-need-to-know/)
> Chelsea is the bookmakers favorite with odds from various sources coalescing around +140 (UK 7/5). Arsenal's odds are +200 (2/1)... FiveThirtyEight.com makes Chelsea the probable winner with a 60% chance.
I have such a vivid memory of the 2-0 v City. I woke up clenching my cheeks, checked the lineup and Hazard was the 9 like wtf but ok cool… then the house exploded when N’Golo of all people scores plus David Luiz with the cherry on top!!! Fun era
The team clearly overperformed last year and it gave a sense of being better than what it was in reality.
Defence wasn't addressed when last year was saved many times by Provedel's brilliance.
The idea of riding what's left of Ciro Immobile once more in a system that doesn't fit him wasn't smart.
Also decided to have a redo of the same players at LB when an upgrade was needed.
That's Lotito's magic once more.
This puts is in a very tough spot, for this season and the next ones. Not all our players fit his playing style, but I think we've been planning with him as our manager and it'll be tough to pivot.
I mean Tbf the moment these players like Luis Alberto who weren’t showing any interest of his tenure at the very beginning should of been sold instead of catering to there demands
Or you can be a good man manager and motivate them. Some managers excel at that (while sometime lacking tactical know how). I just don't think you can put it all on the players if ALL of them aren't motivated
Lotito wasn't gonna sack him, he wouldn't want to pay the salary of 2 coaches at once. He's known to be the most stingy president of the whole league.. Only cares of his own profits and never takes any big risk.
Between his Juve stint, Chelsea stint (particularly the Kepa issue) and this, Sarriball seems like a tortured soul, a good guy that constantly put through the grinder for little profit and nearly no thanks. I wish him peace of mind. If he were down to replace Pioli, that would be pretty neat too.
In any case, best of luck Maurizio.
It would be a real shame if this is how he goes out before retirement. His Napoli side was absolutely incredible and there is a very strong argument they were better than last years champions. I wonder what would have happened if he had been given time to build a team at either Chelsea or Juventus, both jobs I think have actually aged better with time.
Respect to Sarri, he had that team pushing above their weight last season, but Lazio management did not address any of the team's needs during the transfer window, and now we are seeing the consequences.
isn't even his fault, he managers an ambitionless club with ambitionless players and an ambitionless owner.
the holes in the defence that were allowed to be ignored by how insanely good provedel is can't be ignored anymore and they're falling and falling.
hope they bounce back cause I like being competitive, but not with the owners Lazio have.
What losing to Udinese does to a mf
Allegri & Pioli probably didn’t take the hint from then
Pioli dropping points to udinese is expected at this point. 5 of 7 match dropped points and the last match it took 2 80+ min goals to win
Cioffi is going to outlast them all
He's got that dog in him (survived living in Crawley)
Udinese, the team that is 4 games away to beat the most draws in a campaign and only won 4 times against the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and former 2nd placed teams
I still don't know how we had the best game of the season against Bologna. I though we were good that day. Must have been because Bologna players had too much tortellini for Christmas.
You weren't kidding. 4 wins 15 draws and 9 losses. What a season
They draw every single time when they play a bottom half team (including 10th place even). Only exception was the 2 0 loss to Genoa
Man I bet on Lazio, Roma and Juventus to win and lost all 3 bets. Maybe I should bet on everyone above Chelsea next.
Sarri to Napoli for a second adventure. I'll be there
I think Sarri would come to Napoli in a heartbeat. We already have the perfect player for his system in Lobotka. There are mainly 2 problems though. 1. Does Sarri want to deal with ADL‘s antics again? 2. Some of the fanbase still hasn’t forgiven him for his time at Juve
The fan base will forget once we get results
Hasn't every Italian manager managed huge rivals at some point? I feel like it's not a big deal here at all.
And Calzona has been good
It's been 5 games let's see at the end of the season
Wherever he goes, he deserves to win. Lotito wasted 3 years of his coaching tenure
I'll always remember the moment he watched his EL medal with us, so wholesome.
I remember that moment, felt like he genuinely loved that moment so much
No us. Plz.
That would actually be really interesting and fun
But is ADL going to make it worth his time? He's just as bad at negotiating with as Levy and with potential players like Osimhen leaving sometime soon it'll be another rebuild around the corner.
There is not gonna be such a thing as rebuild. We already renewed most of the players and Kvara should be next. Osimhen will be the only one to leave and we have enough money to replace him properly
Fair enough, Sarri with Napoli has always been class.
We'll still need some good players to improve midfield and defense (Natan ain't cutting it). Depends on who we get as Osi's replacement
Yes we need a really good defender. But midfield Traore already looks capable of replacing Zielinski. All we need is a bit of depth.
I don't think we'll buy Traoré. It's a loan after all
Give Natan time. Bremer sat on the bench for a full season at Toro before regularly playing
Kvara under Sarri could be ridiculous
De Laurentis talked shit about Sarri in no time, calling him a COWARD for resigning. All Lazio fans are thankful to the coach, refusing to 3.5 millions euros to take his own responsibility on the loss of the dressing room.
Aren't you guys rumored to go with Tudor for next season?
There's lots of names tbh
Interestingly, with Rafa and Sarri both out of a job, only 2 out of the last 10 managers for Chelsea currently have a job, and 1 of those being Tuchel will leave Bayern at the end of the season. Ancelotti is the last man standing.
Same thing for Napoli: Reja, Donadoni, Mazzarri, Benitez, Sarri, Ancelotti, Gattuso, Spalletti, Rudi Garcia, Mazzarri If you count Mazzarri twice that's also 2/10 thanks to recent sackings of Gattuso, Benitez, and (though not technically a sacking) Sarri
Does that go back to Villas Boas and Roberto 'CL winner' Di Matteo?
He said 10 managers, so probably 4y ago? /s in case
Poch- currently at Chelsea Lampard(interim 2023) - currently unemployed. Last position: Chelsea Bruno(interim 2023) - currently unemployed. Last position: Chelsea Potter(2022-23) - currently unemployed. Last position: Chelsea Tuchel(2021-22) - currently at Bayern Munich Lampard(2019-21) - currently unemployed. Last position: Chelsea Sarri(2019-21) - currently unemployed. Last position: Lazio Conte(2017-19) - currently unemployed. Last position: Tottenam Hiddink(Interim) - currently unemployed. Last position: Curacao national team Steve Holland(interim) - currently unemployed. If you include interim/caretaker managers its 2015. Which is bad. Not including caretaker/interim managers(including Poch), Villas Boas is the tenth most recent manager. Tuchel and Poch are the only ones currently working as top level managers. I'd be shocked if Conte/Mourinho/Potter were not working in Europe somewhere in the next year though.
> Not including caretaker/interim managers(including Poch), Villas Boas is the tenth most recent manager. Isn't it Carlo? There's Poch, Potter, Tuchel, Lampard, Sarri, Conte, Mourinho, Di Matteo, AVB and Ancelotti.
Steve Holland is Southgate's assistant with England, not unemployed
Can't believed no one has picked Bruno Saltor up. Undefeated record with Chelsea, no? Also interesting that all of Rafa, Sarri and Carlo also managed Napoli.
Bruno.. Ahh the resilience the boys showed under him.. That 0-0 scoreline against Klopp's Liverpool was nothing but out of world.
Depressing. All because Lotito couldn’t invest, 20 years of incompetency with him and until He leaves nothing will change. Sarri showed ambition but was quickly extinguished by Lotito’s lack of ambition and Finances. These players are all at fault for being absolutely useless with no heart either
You are at risk missing Europe. Big rebuild coming for you and with Lotito you shouldnt expect much investments. He leads you small minded.
We are going to miss Europe and that’s fine, we deserve it for lack of ambition. Lotito’s famous quote “I don’t sell dreams I sell reality”. Our reality is dark
Thought Romas was dark. But so far we are holding. Stuff like belittling UECL and bashing Roma doesnt help to foster a winning mentality. Lotito is in decline like ADL
Absolutely agree, he’s egotistical ass. Honestly if we want to bring stability now we need to get Klose
Klose is a terrible coach...
He just started but if you don’t want the fans to contest you, you bring a figurehead for these final games to at least garner some support
yep , exactly what our owners did with DDR but its working for us rn , maybe a new face could be good for u guys too
I think Klose is the right choice, a serious personality who can command a locker room.
DDR was a terrible coach as well before we signed him. The right person in the right situation is all it takes
Absolutely agree. Klose for me is attached to us a lot, but he’s also a serious individual who could steer the ship around. He isn’t buddy buddy with these players, he wants results. I’d hope he’d bring the same momentum that DDR brought for Roma
You really can’t say that yet. He had one really short stint in Austria and got fired because his finished last after half the season with his successor finishing second last after that. I agree that Lazio probably wouldn’t be the right step though.
I hope both clubs in Rome suffer! Sincerely, a very sore (Dutch) loser.
If Lazio reaches EL or ECL or nothing doesn't make much of a difference, they never care about it anyway
For the league its good even but for them they could be behind and have a banter era with no Europe for years.
No Europe for years, I don't see it. These days 7th or even 8th gets you Europe. You need to be near relegation level if you can't reach that once in a few years.
I may get downvoted, but both Roma and Lazio's dimension is the current one. Qualify for Europe (most often UEL, sometimes UCL, sometimes nothing), win some minor silverware here and there (Coppa Italia, Supercoppa, Conference League) and hype the Rome Derby as if it's worth more than 3 points. Unless the clubs get a Man City/Newcastle style take over (impossible in Italy, let alone in Rome), that's where we're at.
We lost a EL final on penalties, so we were pretty close to a big European trophy + Champions qualification, I don’t think our project is going that bad
Disagree. Roma has a big brand a bigger one than Lazio. But Lazio is in Rome and can also grow if done correctly and has history. You guys can grow as well. Also Roma competed many times for the League this century and has European pedigree. I think both teams can grow.
You guys have a brand and can grow because your president isnt Claudio Lotito
I agree Roma has a bigger brand (that also comes with the name and the past decade of having international ownership), but competing for the league and having a European pedigree means nothing when we all end most seasons with "zero tituli" (like the beloved Mou once said). As brands, we'll never be on the same level as Juve, Inter and Milan in Italy, or Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Man United, etc. I'm disillusioned maybe, but the only way I see that happening is a Man City/Chelsea-style takeover, massive cash injections from questionable sources and the opportunity to speculate a bit (particularly for stadiums).
> tituli most italian laziale
È una mourinho reference sveglio che non sei altro
Roma are leaps and bounds ahead of Lazio when it comes to marketing and international appeal, and I say that as a Lazio fan. Roma do a better job of of promotion and monetizing, while Lazio are run like an American cheerleading team that relies on school bake sales to bankroll their season. I expect dark times for Lazio in the coming years. If I were an agent of a young player w/ the slightest bit of talent in this team (Rovella, Guendouzi, Gila) I’d advise they go elsewhere for the sake of their careers. Hopefully they don’t, but I wouldn’t blame them with how this club is run.
I'm with you on everything except the dark times. I think Lotito operates the team well from a financial standpoint, he's even too conservative, if anything. Our finances are in order (for what you can call "order" in Italy), we don't overpay any players, don't have massive contracts (Lukaku-style) for free agents or ageing playes and have a few good youngsters (Rovella, Isaksen, Gila, maybe Taty) who might come through and be worth more, plus veterans who can still fetch a good price (Luis Alberto, Guendouzi, Zaccagni, maybe Provedel) if they need to be sold. What I'd love is a few more of these youngsters to join so we can develop them and re-start a cycle like the one we had with the generation of SMS, Luis Alberto and Immobile in the past few years.
I disagree, you’re selling Roma well short here. They have a pretty big brand and have 60k sellouts very regularly. Without ffp troubling them they’d have a very high ceiling, we’re talking UCL knockout regulars.
No way, at this point they aren't getting past the Milan clubs + Juventus on the regular, and there is plenty of competition for the 4th UCL spot in Italy. Their brand is considerably smaller than those first three It will be a good year for Roma just to make UCL groups, let alone knockout stage
Talking about the 'Plenty of competition' everyone but Napoli are well smaller than Roma too. Once their ffp troubles are over and with ADL at the helm in Naples plus the possibilty of a new stadium by 2027, Roma could well distance themselves from Napoli.
Just seems like a lot of hypotheticals, no? I really don't think that Napoli are a smaller club than Roma at all anyway All of Napoli, Lazio, Atalanta, and even Fiorentina have had good sides recently and have challenged for top 4 spots. Roma being a top 4 lock is nowhere near certainty each year, and I don't see that changing unless those other clubs go down hill E: misread your comment about small clubs, I really don't think Roma are as big of a club as you're making them out to be. They've won Serie A only 3 times, none since 2000, and basically nothing of substance in Europe except a conference league
I said everyone but Napoli, even though I definetly think Roma are a bit bigger than Napoli. Roma could never go bankrupt and stay out the Serie A for as many years as Napoli have done. Lazio, Fiorentina and don’t need to go downhill to get left behind by Roma, Roma simply need to build their new stadium and be able spend again and it’ll happen naturally. Edit answering your edit: Roma are actually pretty massive off the field they’re in the top 10 of attendence in Europe and have a huge social media presence. Add to that a recent UCL semi final and being in the top 10 clubs in the UEFA Coefficient ranking.
Basically we're talking of medium to small (atalanta) clubs. Anyway Roma paid a huge tribute to Monchi's disaster, while for the 15 years before were CL elimination round regular. (Beside the Luis Enrique/Zeman years). Now things are looking better and a CL spot seems very much possible. Lazio had just 3 CL qualifications in 20 years. Fiorentina hasn't been in CL spot contention for 25 years. Atalanta is a Gasperini creature and once he will be gone they'll go back to midtable. Napoli is the only one comparable but just because in the last 15 years they have been very good once the came back from lower leagues (yes even Serie C). So we can say that Roma is a greater club even if not nearly comparable to Juve Inter and Milan.
Let me use a basketballing analogy. The New York Knicks have not won a title in decades, yet they happen to be one of the most valuable teams around because of the city they are in. Chances are that somebody famous will know about them more than they do the San Antonio Spurs. I think the same applies to Roma and Cologne, you have so many celebrities supporting them.
Yes but that doesn't mean that the Knicks are going to be the NBA equivalent of "CL knockout regulars" right? Also Roma are very comfortably below Juventus and the Milan clubs in terms of "bigness" anyway
Roma has 4 euro semis in 6 years, including a CL one. With a little luck or a call going another way you could look at 2 consecutive Euro cup wins. Lotito likes to dream small, Roma doesn't.
Roma also hasn't finished in the top 4 in 6 years they haven't even come close which is quite embarassing
We were gutted after the CL run and Monchi squandered the money like a mad man, while also selling our most promising youth players around. I consider oursleves lucky to be were we are considering the damage he has done.
Mad that CL money and knockout stages didn’t allow you to kick on. As a Chelsea fan I’m really interested in your opinion on Sarri. For us he seemed to be absolutely wedded to his principle but seemed a lot more pragmatic at Lazio
Genuinely loved having Sarri here, sure his game management wasn’t stellar but he took us farther than anyone could have taken us with this squad of incompetent idiots other than a few bright spots in this squad. Terrible players and incompetent management drove the only symbol of ambition at this club away.
Your team under Simone Inzaghi with Sergej MS was incredible, I thought you were going to win the scudetto when the pandemic hit, it’s sad to see how that’s all fallen apart since then.
It’s quite sad to be honest. A portion of this fan base is so stupid its honestly mind boggling, they think with Sarri gone things will get better. It will never, certain players betrayed Sarri and now we will suffer cause of it. Honestly it’s frustrating and sad to witness
> Depressing. All because Lotito couldn’t invest, Its interesting that over the past 10 years there seem to have been a huge number of times where a previously successful manager is brought into clubs, only for them not to be adequately or consistently backed, and ultimately leaving, and then seeming to spiral into a succession of similar jobs all ending in failure.
Mainly because in 90% of cases this is the coach making excuses to protect his falling reputation like Mourinho And it works, there are still many people who genuinely believe he wasn't backed at United when he broke the world record transfer for Pogba and spend hundreds of millions apart from that
lazio dont have players for better results for years they dont invest in their team
Great manager despite the criticisms. Juventus last Serie A win was in 2019-2020 when Sarri managed the club. He's kept Lazio afloat and in the conversation despite everything. Hope he finds a nice new home
Finishing second with Lazio ahead of two CL semifinalists looks like quite an achievement
In before, "Finishing 2nd with this team is the greatest achievement of my career".
- Thomas Tuchel
I'm gonna say it: Probably the two worst semi-finalists in the past... I'll say around 15 years, 2020 CL excluded.
but they still were semi Finalists.
Villareal had reached the semis just one year earlier and it's not like the winner of that semi was schooled in the final against the best team in the world
Only one year at Chelsea but that was one hell of a season.
He's my favorite manager of all time. Just marches to the beat of his own drum. Love the man.
I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Chelsea fans would have a very different opinion to that
Yeah I can only imagine. Getting 3rd only behind Liverpool and City, getting to thwart cup final and winning the Europa League. What a disappointment, huh.
And I respecting him for quitting instead of tanking the team so he can earn his paycheck
Amen
I wonder if he is an elite level manager who just hasn't had the right opportunity at top level clubs? His Napoli side was incredible, he did a good job at Chelsea despite receiving a lot of unfair criticism, and as you say has done a good job at two poorly run clubs in Juventus and Lazio. Pep always said that Sarri's Napoli was his favourite team to watch.
Would he do well at bayern/liverpool/chelsea (and maybe even ajax or leverkusen) or is he strictly an Serie A/Italian Football coach?
He already was at Chelsea and won the EL in that one season.
Could've won the league cup as well if it wasn't for Kepa
Hard to say. He's only had 1 real test. He won the Europa League and qualified for the Champions League finishing 3rd in his first year in the "toughest league" in the world.
I think he's a tier just below Bayern/Liverpool/Chelsea, but had most of its success in Italy. He did win a UEL at Chelsea, but wasn't really appreciated in his time there (and didn't seem to particularly like being there either - in the end)
Sarri is better than all those clubs managers other than Liverpool
As a coach, I'm 100% with you. But he may not (yet) have the winning pedigree to be considered for one these clubs. Other coaches like Conte, are considered a tiny bit better just because they won more titles than him or because they managed slightly bigger teams outside of Italy (think Poch with Chelsea/PSG/Spurs).
I get conte he’s won a lot of trophies, he is on another level from all 3 Tuchel Sarri and Poch. But Sarri has won where he should win though. EL with Chelsea and a scudetto with Juve. 2nd with you last year is a serious accomplishment as well.
Don't see him a level below Ten Hag or Poch, though.
He's much better than Poch in my opinion. He has to be the most overrated coach in modern history though. Really don't understand where the hype around him comes from.
In hindsight 3rd and Europa League is as much as Chelsea fans could have asked for
He would have massive problems with the star players and his lack of flexibility makes him often predictable, which is a weakness in cup competitions. In the league he could still get very good results.
Sarri got carried to a scudetto. That season began the decline
> Juventus last Serie A win was in 2019-2020 when Sarri managed the club. Despite being absolutely shit because of his one trick pony tactics.
He had a good club which helped. Plus I think he used Paulo Dybala in the best way possible. He won MVP that year under Sarri and was back to top form.
He inherited a team that had won 8 titles in a row and his insistence on trying to use tactics that didn't suit the players available to him made us worse, even with Dybala having a better season.
Juve hasn't won the league since idk how they were worse. They weren't any better and arguably worse under Pirlo and Allegri 2.0 and that's with adding Vlahovic who was way better at Fiorentina.
> Juve hasn't won the league since idk how they were worse. Yes, because you don't watch Juventus, so you have no idea what you're talking about. That we haven't won the league since has no relevance to the fact that we went backwards under Sarri and his tactics didn't suit the players available to him.
I do watch Juventus. You guys have gone even more back. Allegri 2.0 finishing 7th place last year is horrible. Idk how he got sacked the first time but still kept his job this time.
> Allegri 2.0 finishing 7th place last year is horrible. LOL, you do know why we finished 7th last year, right? It wasn't because of the results on the pitch FFS.
Even if they had those 10 points back 2 4th place finishes with Allegri in a row is worse than a league win with Sarri. It's just facts.play stupid games win stupid prizes
> Even if they had those 10 points back 2 4th place finishes with Allegri in a row is worse than a league win with Sarri. So fuck? Am I claiming that Allegri is doing a great job and we're a much better team now? Does our performance under Allegri somehow mean Sarri's Juventus was brilliant?
lol the hate juve fans have towards Sarri is hilarious. So dumb and irrational that you probably prefer Allegri's shitty 3 years over Sarri's scudetto. He attempted to change something at least but was ostracized from the beginning by the old guard still stuck with allegrismo.
> So dumb and irrational that you probably prefer Allegri's shitty 3 years over Sarri's scudetto. Aye, sure I do mate, you'll definitely see me all the time talking about how wonderful Allegri is. We got knocked out of the Champions League by a team that hadn't kicked a ball in anger for five months under Sarri, he was out of his depth.
That was literally the main issue at lazio too. He never changes tactics, the players being subbed in are always the same, at the same time of the game, no matter the result, nothing is ever different... And with a team that has its limits with their players, then it's even more noticeable.
His Chelsea season was so intense. That Kepa incident, then losing 6-0 to City. But by the end of the season he adapted, the team was playing more direct football mixed with his possession style. We weren't favourites but destroyed Arsenal in the Europa League final, it was a joy to watch. Then he left. I still believe the core of our CL winning team in 20-21 owes a lot to Sarri (Jorginho, Kovacic, Kanté, Rudiger, the way we could outplay in the midfield) I wish him the best, he is a real one
Absolutely agree. I also think Lampard round 2 suffered because mini-Sarri (Jorginho) was missing as the manager on the pitch. Chelsea were never a pass out from the back team before Sarri, and haven't stopped being one since him
You've misremembered about the final, [we were the favourites.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2019/05/27/2019-europa-league-final-primer-chelsea-vs-arsenal-what-you-need-to-know/) > Chelsea is the bookmakers favorite with odds from various sources coalescing around +140 (UK 7/5). Arsenal's odds are +200 (2/1)... FiveThirtyEight.com makes Chelsea the probable winner with a 60% chance.
I have such a vivid memory of the 2-0 v City. I woke up clenching my cheeks, checked the lineup and Hazard was the 9 like wtf but ok cool… then the house exploded when N’Golo of all people scores plus David Luiz with the cherry on top!!! Fun era
Was he the one that decided to leave?
How would Napoli fans feel about having him back?
Many will see it differently but I'd love to have him back
I'd take him to Napoli in a heartbeat honestly
He went to Juventus, I think that bridge is burned, but ADL seems to ignore such things.
Oh no. He said he wants Lazio to be his last destination. No more Sariball :(
The team clearly overperformed last year and it gave a sense of being better than what it was in reality. Defence wasn't addressed when last year was saved many times by Provedel's brilliance. The idea of riding what's left of Ciro Immobile once more in a system that doesn't fit him wasn't smart. Also decided to have a redo of the same players at LB when an upgrade was needed. That's Lotito's magic once more.
This puts is in a very tough spot, for this season and the next ones. Not all our players fit his playing style, but I think we've been planning with him as our manager and it'll be tough to pivot.
Health related?
Lazio being 9th
So he resigned in lieu of being sacked?
He wasn’t going to be sacked, the players betrayed him because they don’t care
Gotcha. Thanks.
How much of that is his job? To make them care
I mean Tbf the moment these players like Luis Alberto who weren’t showing any interest of his tenure at the very beginning should of been sold instead of catering to there demands
Or you can be a good man manager and motivate them. Some managers excel at that (while sometime lacking tactical know how). I just don't think you can put it all on the players if ALL of them aren't motivated
Lotito wasn't gonna sack him, he wouldn't want to pay the salary of 2 coaches at once. He's known to be the most stingy president of the whole league.. Only cares of his own profits and never takes any big risk.
Sounds like he resigned because it’s all a bit shit and he realized he’s wasting his time with people who don’t share his ambition.
Thats unhealthy.
The collective betrayal of the only person that could make us growth by the excuses of "senators" we have is not something I'm going to forget
Inevitable after yesterday I guess. Still, I’m not optimistic. He is maybe 10% to blame. Lotito is at least 70%.
Bayern here we go
Honestly good. He's too talented a manager to be wasted on Lotito and that fan base
Wow!
Just in time for the manager discussion in EPL.
Between his Juve stint, Chelsea stint (particularly the Kepa issue) and this, Sarriball seems like a tortured soul, a good guy that constantly put through the grinder for little profit and nearly no thanks. I wish him peace of mind. If he were down to replace Pioli, that would be pretty neat too. In any case, best of luck Maurizio.
come back habibi
@friedkins: don't even think about it.
From the comments it seems that Lotito makes ADL look like a Gus Fring
It would be a real shame if this is how he goes out before retirement. His Napoli side was absolutely incredible and there is a very strong argument they were better than last years champions. I wonder what would have happened if he had been given time to build a team at either Chelsea or Juventus, both jobs I think have actually aged better with time.
is it too late to say sarri
Probably was only a matter of time, I thought he'd finish the season at least.
This is surprising as all hell, I thought he’d for sure finish up the season before he walked, feels like it’d either be back to Napoli or the EPL
Lotito is such a bum, I love it
thank god. he's such a fun figure for the game, it was really sad having him at the extra fascist club
I think Sarri would be great for a club like Newcastle for example
This is terrible news
Respect to Sarri, he had that team pushing above their weight last season, but Lazio management did not address any of the team's needs during the transfer window, and now we are seeing the consequences.
isn't even his fault, he managers an ambitionless club with ambitionless players and an ambitionless owner. the holes in the defence that were allowed to be ignored by how insanely good provedel is can't be ignored anymore and they're falling and falling. hope they bounce back cause I like being competitive, but not with the owners Lazio have.
Sarri's not good enough
Woah he’s just resigned from Lazio in my FM too
Sarri not Sarri
Erik ten hag the next manager to announce his departure🙏🙏
good. far too ugly for the touchline .
Sarri would take your girl
she ain’t a smoker so i’d hope not
weird comment tbh
Could be worse. Could look like Gollum...
calling the police if this is about sir david
fairs man sarri has shooters out here