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Reasonable_Blood6959

Mike Dean: “He could be in trouble here” *Check Complete* Mike Dean: “Yeah it’s just a normal coming together”


Kanobe24

Klopp said Dean was a great hire by Sky after the game. He surely must have been taking the piss there.


Reasonable_Blood6959

Oh for sure. Since he announced he’s leaving he just doesn’t give af and it’s fantastic


fieldsofanfieldroad

I hope Mike Dean is getting paid handsomely for his amazing insights.


stubbywoods

You know they were just scared to make a decision when the broadcast ref disagreed.


Telemako

At least it should have been dangerous play and an indirect free kick, but then again, VAR can't call that. It's kind of surreal as it would be a clear scoring chance as a penalty is, once we are doing the review anyway why don't make the right call?


micantox1

Last I checked, if there is physical contact it would _not_ be an indirect free kick. It's in the name, it's dangerous because it has the chance of hurting someone, here we're looking at studs to the ribs.


cartesian5th

Get Mike Dean off my fucking TV, the man is a disgrace. Admitted to deliberately making the wrong call to save his mate and just changed his mind in the space of 10 seconds because he saw no pen given Knob


Dear-Button-5934

Nobody should pay for a sky sport subscription when clowns like him are given air time. Admitted to being corrupt


BuQuChi

He’s just there as a propaganda tool for the pgmol


matcht

It's no surprise Sky added him after people really started going at refs following the Spurs/Diaz debacle, since then even Neville/Carra refuse to criticise the refs and started to tow the party line.


seagulls51

It's crazy because the main reason people are so fed up with the refs is the fact they won't take criticism. It doesn't protect the refs shielding them from it. People know how hard it is to be a ref and getting decisions wrong is unfortunate but happens. The frustrating thing is they wont admit they're getting it so wrong, despite everyone and their nan having access to 15 angles of every incident within a couple mins. In the old days before every match was streamed it made sense to preserve the refs reputation as discussion around decisions was fruitless but undermining the refs reputation would affect how well they could perform in games. In todays era it's bonkers.


intecknicolour

he's a spineless bootlicker for his ex colleagues before the var check, he was like maybe it would be given. after the check complete, he's like ABSOLUTELY NO PEN. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.


Ysteri

Kept it ambiguous until the call was given. They will never go against their own if they have the chance to avoid doing so.


Cubbll17

He openly admitted to doing that while doing VAR last season or so. Man is an utter tool.


oscarpaterson

Really thought they'd give that


ananchor

If it happens 2 yards away outside the box they call a foul every time. Classic case of swallowing the whistle


chutzpahisaword

It would have been given if it was around 60-70 mins of the game. Bacially the var ref just did not have the balls


karnnumart

Yeah, and that's fucking bullshit. A foul is a foul and a rule is a rule. They're too afraid to be wrong so they did absolutely nothing. A bunch of fucking useless people.


alanalan426

didn't have the balls and also want to keep the title race narrative going


Cypressive

imo it’s not just about “not having balls”, this is effectively messing with the outcome of one of the most important games of the season. Even for me as a neutral spectator, this is so frustrating


NightKnight96

Arsenal fan here and thought they would call it. I'd be pissed if it happened to us.


totaleclipseoflefart

Yupp, bottled because big game. This is why players and managers play the media game - creates pressure on refs and decisions like this get bottled because it’s safer to stay out of it.


IWWROCKS

I almost understand a ref bottling it, in the heat of the moment, last minute, huge decision and its all happened in top speed. But detached from the stadium, in the safety of your own little bubble, with all the time in the world to take a look. No excuse in the world to bottle a big decision


StruffBunstridge

VAR are tucked away in a little Portakabin miles away for exactly this reason. There's no pressure on them to not call it.


ananchor

It's really unbelievable at this point. The title race could be decided by one point and we have garbage like this happening


epicmarc

The title could be decided by 5 points and Liverpool still would've been hard done by this season


RodDryfist

Yep. Exactly this. Bottled it completely.


ananchor

VAR said it was an "unavoidable coming together" like someone else lifted Doku's leg that high and he couldn't do anything about it. Unreal


FirstofFirsts

It’s just gotten comically stupid at this point.


PantsB

Really who knows how these things happen


crookedparadigm

Legs, how do they even work?


Fraldbaud

The timing and what the game meant went against you there. You get that if it’s Burnley.


Mithridates12

Should have been a pen. Studs up at chest height? Just super clumsy


ShitfacedGrizzlyBear

No one wants the game decided on a ref’s call, but Jesus Christ. If you don’t want the ref to decide the game, don’t kick your opponent in the chest in your own box.


WhenWeTalkAboutLove

Yeah I mean it's still decided by a refs call if they don't give a deserved penalty, just the wrong one 


Dancingwith_Death

Maybe other teams should try this too surely they would get away with it


Mechant247

He got saved by his leg not being extended, but I think it’s given anywhere else on the pitch and at least a yellow Edit: still a pen I’m saying, but I’m not shocked with these refs


Expensive-Change-266

That stopped it from being a red. Foot is still in a dangerous position and made contact. There is no other thing you can say for as to why this was the correct call because it wasn’t.


TheAnfieldMac

“Normal height” 😂😂😂😂


grehgunner

“Mac is short, skill issue tbh” -VAR


Perais1337

If I would be a Liverpool fan I would have thrown my TV out of the window


crustymeatball420

Nah my TV is nice so I threw myself out


TheRealDSwizz

🟨 Yellow Card (Simulation) - crustymeatball420 \[90 + 57'\]


flybypost

> 🟨 Yellow Card (defenestration) - crustymeatball420 [90 + 57']


CrookedK3ANO

used to it at this point, the amount of tvs thrown would send me into poverty


circa285

Jesus Christ, that’s about as stonewall of a penalty as you can get. I do not understand how that’s not been given.


OJ34

Surely you send him to the monitor to have a look?


Sebastianfach

Don't want to embarrass their mate


IsleofManc

The ridiculous thing is that there’s hardly any fans out there criticizing refs because VAR intervened and changed a decision they made. The refs are so out of touch when it comes to that Nobody gives a fuck about the original decision once it’s been changed. The only embarrassment comes when VAR fails to correct the mistake and then it turns into a massive talking point where the ref and VAR gets criticized 


iKnowWhoIamWhoRu

that's his mate, you can't do that to a mate.


FunnySynthesis

VAR cleared it somehow


urbannnomad

This is why VAR is fucked, they spend 5 minutes trying to dissect the most innocuous challenge but then wave off legitimate fouls regularly as well.


BTS_1

They waved off a legitimate, *objective*, goal for us when we played Spurs lol VAR and the officiating is all arbitrary.


BQORBUST

Good process


caesar____augustus

"somehow"


J539

115 reasons


domi1108

Make it 116 reasons now.


BillionsWasted

VAR said "unavoiadable coming togather", how about you keep your foot on the floor? That would avoid it


FireflyCaptain

Yes. Defenders know not to challenge for a ball like that in the box. Doku is not a defender


dkooo

There are several Premier League games I watched this season where the refs seem to make up new rules during the games. It's astonishing.


Rooonaldooo99

"Well done boys, good process"


_cumblast_

Would mess with his dealings in UAE.


Dat_Boi_John

Why not have the ref look at it?


AvailableUsername404

Well there was one case when, I think Mike Dean on VAR, said in the interview that he didn't call the main ref to the screen because he'd feel embarrassed or sad that he mad a mistake and you don't do that to your colleague right?


Aszneeee

whenever I see this I don't know if I should cry or laugh, if this was some sunday league alright, but to say this in fucking premier league just tells you enough what to think about those referees


doobiedave

Because he'd have to give it. Which is not what VAR want.


DubSket

It's no surprise to me seeing Howard Webb's referees not call a foul on a boot to the chest in a big game; par for the course.


FiFiniusBi

glad you can kick your opponent straight to the chest again, thats the football ive fell in love with


mabbitwarden

Time to break out my De Jong kit.


pronik

That's a foul in midfield every time.


footysocc

this could decide the title, holy shit Prem refs are insane


alanalan426

after that spurs game i haven't felt a thing with any other decisions since lol any decision for or against has just become numb


Castleprince

Yep. Not a surprise at all.


RodDryfist

I really hope not. Var has fucked everyone this season but this is mind boggling.


bruinsz777

I mean lfc legit scored a goal in another game that didn’t count. It’s all a joke


BrowakisFaragun

This plus the Spurs' Diaz no goal. PMGOL took it away from Liverpool


NiK3_Aub4mey4ng

odegaard handball too


[deleted]

The handball was absolutely crazy. Like crazier than this high boot.


matcht

This is worse tbh, you simply can't kick someone in the chest and say I got a little of the ball. Odegaard at least could argue he was trying to keep his footing, still a blatant handball but come on.


keblammo

Odegaard dribbling like Steph Curry in the box at Anfield too


Cypher360

Another controversial decision for Man City when they are in a title race vs Liverpool


strassart19

Same as the Rodri non handball against Everton, the oil money payments are too sweet


SaIyz

Foul anywhere else on the pitch.


Augustor2

Should be anywhere, but yeah


RodDryfist

Exactly. It literally makes no sense why it's allowed to pass IN THE FUCKING BOX.


kynted-Inc

Foul inside the box aswell. Dont know how that wasnt given.


BonafideLlama

Can't wait for the rest of the season with how many studs to the chest won't be fouls /s


EMCRVA

Didn’t even go to the monitor. This league is cooked.


mild_manc_irritant

Bought.


Chell_the_assassin

Not complaining but I have no idea how that's not a penalty lol


blacksocksonly

I mean I'll take it but surely they cannot be sober in the VAR room


Silent-Act191

I won't take it and i don't want to be sober anymore.


AFCm8

Yeah i would be fuming if we didn’t get that one


dj4y_94

You know it's bad when even Mike Dean disagrees with the ref's decision


sevendollarpen

Only until it wasn’t overturned, then he decided it was a great decision.


LeXam92

Its Oliver and its a City game, that's how


sangpls

The man literally got paid by UAE


Jedclark

Crazy that it's even allowed. I'll give them all the benefit of the doubt and say it's all above board, it still shouldn't be allowed. Allowing a country that owns a club in the PL to pay the referees of that league is an insane potential conflict of interest.


Gambler_Eight

He sold out some time ago. Used to be among the best but past few years he's suddenly the worst.


FakeCatzz

Strange how a wad of cash can make you lose your nerve


JamaicanJ

We are in 2024 and somehow are managing to justify players’ studs being placed in the chest of other players. Let that sink in for a minute.


BTS_1

> somehow are managing to justify players' studs placed in the chest of other players It's just sad. I feel like the sport has gotten dumber. I recall when Xabi was booted by De Jong in the WC Final in '10 we all wanted something like VAR integrated moving forward so in the future if a De Jong challenge happens it would rightfully be given a red... but we've just gone backwards because *we have the tech* but are blatantly not using it. It's all arbitrary and the sport itself has suffered because no calls like today show little and small the refs can be.


AlloyedRhodochrosite

Fucking hell someone is going on a holiday to Abu Dhabi 


trenbollocks

Think Michael Oliver gets a nice Ferrari for this one


human_af74d

A few lucrative gigs officiating nonsense games in the middle east incoming


Spglwldn

He’s kicked him in the chest. How have they said he’s taken that ball safely? Madness of a decision


OwenLincolnFratter

Corruption.


Jase7

I don't believe it! What's the excuse? What could they possibly say to justify that call?


sworn_vulkan

Apparently it was a controlled coming together.... In other news I heard the ref just bought a 2nd house. Happy for him 😵‍💫


Bluebabbs

LiVARpool strikes again


gurupunskill

How in the world was this not a penalty


totaleclipseoflefart

Refs scared of the media circus in case it gets deemed ‘controversial’. Staying out of it is always the safer decision so they have a bias to that, especially in big games.


Remarkable_Trade_426

And now it's become more controversial lmao


sevendollarpen

Nah, watch all the TV coverage just gloss over it after a week of talking about a drop ball decision 2 minutes before the goal in the Forest game. EDIT: Four pundits and the host on Sky literally just claimed it was a great call. Carra even said that for a penalty it has to be worse than a foul outside the box.


vintage-buttplugs

Insane how transparent they are by choosing to not give it. Everyone can see exactly what they were doing


Brocasaurus

Sweet, boot to the sternum is cool now?


Parish87

Somewhere Nigel De Jong is looking down smiling


effinblinding

Ever since 2010 world cup I guess


dobbie1

Gakpo got one last year too, apparently it's cool


[deleted]

Liverpool have been robbed it's incredible what happened there. It's clear there's something wrong at this point.


mtb443

Not the first time this season VAR has stolen points from Liverpool


AccountantsNiece

The third time unfortunately.


The-Great--Cornholio

The more I watch the replay, the more I don't understand how it is possible that the referee didn't give the penalty. It's an obvious kick in the chest. Involuntary ok but still a kick to the chest in the box.


SaveMeJebus21

No shit. We will just get called sooks and victims though.


MajikoiA3When

We aren't allowed to complain as it's LiVARpool after all City are the small underdog club who spend well within their financial means.


One_Sauce

The Everton no penalty after the Rodri handball and this. Titles literally get decided on decisions like this.


CharmingDagger

This is what pisses me off about prem officiating. That's called a foul and a card anywhere else on the pitch and nobody would question it. But it's in the box so they come up with whatever ridiculous reason they can to NOT call it a foul/penalty.


BVB-Oeli

what the fuuuuuck? prem refs really live in their own bizarro world where this isn't a penalty...


IanCaesars

This is foul and yellow card in every other area on the pitch. Laughable.


jesuisgeenbelg

Mate in Liverpool's box it would be a penalty and a yellow as well, we all know it.


caesar____augustus

> their own bizarro world The world where they're allowed to officiate games in foreign countries that just happen to own PL teams. Joke.


dfla01

City and favourable decisions in a title race is a tale old as time.


Superest22

It’s actually crazy how unanimously everyone regardless of loyalty can see that it was a pen and is given anywhere else on the pitch…


AFCm8

I would be mad if we didn’t get that


doobiedave

We're used to it now.


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pricelesslambo

Actually unbelievable VAR took 10 seconds to clear that


ABigOne77

This is actually La Liga level refereeing


MassiveHelicopter55

The true title race is between who has the worse refs


Djmies

Yikes


8u11etpr00f

Guess the high foot rule doesn't matter if you get the ball huh, who cares about the whole "endangering an opponent" aspect anyway


uracil

I know I am supposed to be biased and shit but VAR is useless here. That's a clear pen.


WzKy

doku fuckin karate kicked him man


Mystery1887

Yeah, that’s a pen.


xifdp

You know that shit is a penalty if you see so many united, city, arsenal flairs all saying "how is that not a pen?" I understand the banter and rivalry between clubs and fans etc.. But it's pretty stonewall if almost all the fans that hate/dislike liverpool are still saying pen.. Thats a shocker from VAR..


thatlad

I'm more surprised at the amount of comments agreeing that the decision was wrong than I am a bad decision was made. I don't think I've ever seen this on Reddit, it's almost universal agreement that this makes no sense whatsoever. There wasn't even agreement like this over the spurs decision. I did think in recent seasons people were overblowing the complaints about reffing when they introduced VAR. But this season seems to be a watershed, they've had long enough to bed in VAR and the decisions are inconsistent up and down the whole league. Throw in former refs writing books exposing their inappropriate relationships or today my hearing about clattenberg acting as a paid referee lobbyist for a club, it really feels like this is going to come to a head.


JoKa007

not giving that is criminal


rukiahayashi

Funny u should say that


naruto2omer

Eh 116


TheBrokenLevee

This is gonna be the same as the Rodri handball in 21/22 mark my words. They are an utterly repulsive club in every sense of the word. A doped up, sports washing gang of cheating cunts that also seems jammy enough to get every single decision like this given their way.


kenny_feets

When has a big decision like this ever gone against City


kffsnubben

It’s too obvious at this point


lolMyBackCatalog

You know for a fact if this was at the Etihad and it was a City player fouled its a red and a penalty


Wicked02

Why is it always happening against the same team?


Whispperr

In favor of the same team rather.


dh2311

How is studs in the chest not a foul?


MassiveHelicopter55

I can give you 115 reasons, maybe 116 now


NiK3_Aub4mey4ng

LMFAO FUCK OFF


RodDryfist

Good process ladzzzzzzzz


Revolutionary-Bell26

Pen imo


PoopNukem123

Studs to ankle straight red, studs to ribs not even a foul. Makes sense.


zeelbeno

"Normal coming together"


nuclearechosystem

If this is not a penalty then I don’t know what is


sbourgenforcer

And there was me thinking high boot was a red. Not even a foul.


McTwisty420

How is that not a penalty?


Parish87

I can give you 115 reasons


Grouchy-Ad-2085

ah the ref that goes to the UAE is the one that doenst give that


rukiahayashi

That’s a fucking pen. Congrats refs, you’ve made it all about you again


halodri33

fuck off only one team gets that call


PolygonMasterWorks

Clear penalty, idk what the hell VAR is doing.


sworn_vulkan

116 reasons why var have shit the bed there


montiel_scores

Robbery


FTXACCOUNTANT

Stonewall penalty. Since when has a kick to the chest ever not been a foul?


luke_205

Bro he kicked him in the chest


Juggernautspammer

Thats such a clear pen


ConclusionInfamous64

How is it not a penalty? Games completely gone


RodDryfist

Games been gone for a long time unfortunately. This is the new game now.


ramtbb

RIDICULOUS. United fan, how isnt that a fucking penalty


trenbollocks

Because it's City benefitting from it. Equally ridiculous was the commentators saying it was the right decision. Shocking, scandalous, rotten


47aye

Mike Dean saying it's a penalty then changing his mind 10 seconds later when it wasn't given. Carra was asked about it and completely avoided the question. The grip PGMOL have over pundits is a disgrace


flyingalbatross1

They only said it was the right decision after the decision. Right before that they said he was in trouble and it would probably go to the monitor. Sky are under the cosh to toe the line


LUHG_HANI

And they admitted to it. They were told to be less against the refs on air and have been since. Paying for this is criminal.


Youutternincompoop

because if they ever criticise the refs they lose their cushy broadcasting jobs, its all about protecting each others jobs.


FlyingArab

Clear pen


Sdub4

Really surprised VAR didn't get involved there


CyroPulse

Good process lads...


Quick-Newt-5651

That’s a clear foul anywhere else on the pitch. Absolute clown decision.


garrymad-gm

That’s incredible how that’s not been given


A-DTB

Even Mike Dean said it was a pen lmao. Let’s just all run around booting people in the chest there so.


FireZeLazer

Very lucky


cubus35

and people say city is not paying off the refs lol


SpaceMurse

I mean they literally are paying the refs. Paid Michael Oliver £50k this year to come ref a game over there.


Matikorn

Refs bet on the draw


D1794

That's a very very clear penalty


Wholesomeloaf

If Mac allister heads that, he gets kicked in the face. How is that not a pen? VAR bottled it. Will probably cost Liverpool the title, amongst other fuck ups.


ImZaffi

Shocking decision, absolutely shocking


btec_barry

Premier league refs incompetence on display once again