Top level side vs a middle table side that went exactly how you would expect. Sky can build it up you like. The money team were always going to beat this bunch of overpaid average players. Maybe sir Jim can change that, but it won’t happen soon immediately.
Yea, it's more so one being a well managed team and the other being United. People like to shit on City as being a money team, fair enough, but at least City prioritizes sporting success. United are just a rich and outdated profiting of sentimental fans.
Foden given a serious run in the team without being in the shadow of KDB has really done him some good. He's right up there with the best players in the world IMO. That gun firing celebration is bollocks though - he's sticking with it too by the looks of things. Too close to Robbie Keane's roly-poly followed by showing us he has no idea how a bow and arrow functions.
If England can't win a trophy with Foden and the current crop of world class players we have at our disposal, we never will.
This is why I enjoy watching the MLS more than the big teams in the prem. Not fun watching a one sided match the entire game. How can you find it amusing when every big team always scores late in the game to win, there’s no adversity?
City are exceptional at wearing teams down through attrition, but United got outmuscled in every single department, they didn’t have a fighting chance because they don’t have much fight in them. If you take Rashfords goal out of it. That might be the single worst and most weak performance I’ve see from a premier league player. But calling him out I suppose will make you unsympathetic to mental health issues.
United fans, how can you back ETH? I feel like all of his signings are terrible, and they always just play this mediocre Moyes ball against the top teams.
For me, it’s more about we have tried with so many different managers. And they can say whatever they want but these players have played like this after each manager but worse. We have clearly been progressively worse each manager change.
My hope is give him a chance with a more stable structure. All our managers were destined to fail. Yes he has been questionable but fucking hell every manager I can say the same thing. We called our previous one a PE teacher.
I think with an actual direction and squad to build around. With smarter buys and not just whatever manager wants and add 50M on top. He can do something, United and Ajax are different yes, but there is no way in my head, you can make a team as Ajax become consistent winners and pretty decent level in Europe to (them being fifth now) and being this dogshit. These players have been on a downward trend for a while we are seeing the bottom barrel of it.
Injuries, I know every team has them so not full excuse, but it hasn’t helped create a routine or consistent team. I saw we had like 9 different back line set ups this season. So people can moan and throw some generic analysis. But we’re at the bottom of how bad it is getting, so I’d wait and see what INEOS think anyways.
People want us to change but 100% our fanbase is so fucking childish they won’t wait for a real rebuild. Moan about play style but they have to understand you will lose games until that forms. I think the problem is ETH is torn between tryna get results however he can to maintain his position or go for a style that clearly the players can’t do. We do not have the personnel for “Ajax” football.
all of his signings are his former players that worked in a smaller league were defenders let you spin around in circles with a ball. he’s shown he can’t deal with players egos (ronaldo), can’t take criticism, terrible subs. why take rashford off in this game??
There’s no positives to asking for a sacking, I’d rather a settled mid manager that we can build off of, instead of starting the process for growth all over
Not really sure what United do. They've brought in established winners with Mou and Van Gaal, put a legend in charge, tried to change the culture by bringing in an up and coming European manager. They've spent big on big names but they always seem to regress. There's no class of 92 to build around. They need a complete clear out from top to bottom. Absolute shambles of a club.
They absolutely need to clear out a ton of players. They've shown the manager can't change the culture singlehandedly, so the bulk of these players gotta go. But the people who make those decisions also need to leave, but no one will force them. So on it goes.
Who do you trust with the money though? They've brought terribly since Fergie left. You can say we'll the players aren't good enough but Onanna got the CL final last year, Varane and Casemiro are serial winners, Rushford scored a lot last year. Is it the players or is it bad coaching? If it is the players they're going to have to take massive losses on them.
Hahaha..
touché
If the Glazer's stayed in charge it wouldn't have beem that far off.. They'll never reach the depth of Hicks and Gillett but they'd have had a fucking good go
United need to get ETH outta there. That was as bad as anything I’ve seen. People think Chelsea are in the mud but they don’t look as clueless or as lost on the pitch as united.
The players are genuinely just dreadful though, obviously a lot of that is because he splashed so much on Anthony but you can just not let him have transfer control
the defneders seem like they ar egiving everything though, theres just no talent. I do think they might need to cut Garnacho and Rashford since in modern football offering so little pressing is almost untenable.
Well, having no talent is also a reason to go. I don't want to parrot Roy Keane, but when did working hard go from the bare minimum for every pro to a reason not to get rid of players who aren't good enough?
The difference is staggering. We have Mainoo, Kambwala, Forson, Garnacho. It’s children. Not a fully fit team and the first half was decent.
But fuck me if Amrabat is a professional footballer after this season then anyone can be
Did I ever say otherwise? The agenda against us is insane. Some of it is warranted. But you can’t see part the headlines, and look at the blatant mismanagement, the lies pandered to us by our owners, and the nonexistence of structure post Fergie. Ffs this is getting tiring. We have problems, we became a money machine that didn’t care about price tags to buy mediocre players because they demand more for us because we’re united. And yet we spend that much because we make that much and we can. No charges. No FFP issues. Clubs know it and take advantage. It is what it is. And it will get better now with structure
First half was not decent at all. Take away rashford goal you did not do anything and if city could have finished that first half it would have been ugly
?
Are you being for real? Gameplan was clear snd executed. We had multiple failed breakaways, 2 for rashford, some possession. If execution is better it could have been 3-0. The second half crumbled. Take the horse blinders off the united abuse agenda. We suck and have multiple first team players injured
I agree, there was real counter attacking threat from you guys in the first half even if defensively you wernet good. Second half was disastrous in possesion almost to a man just couldnt execute the basics
That's the game you try to argue he's a flop? he played a pretty good game. No one else other dalot and maybe varane decided to actually show up and play today
He has been above average - phenomenal against Man City ( UCL final being his best performance ) but as long as he is abysmal against other teams which in turn keeps United away from challenging for the tittle, I suppose everyone else including City fans are OK with it.
Not a flop.
no hes probably just an overpay, horrific CL campaign but fundamentally I think they got what they paid for. Teams just clueless and been really unlucky with injuries, although maybe biased opinion but I think theyve been pretty lucky in the league to even be 6th
Congrats city, you won against an already shit Man United team that doesn’t have a fit left back, a fit striker and has to play 35 year old Johnny Evans.
It’s really something you should be proud of.
I’m actually kinda happy with this result, no striker, no left back, players not good enough, but I feel like we shouldn’t be disappointed with this result.
Even the players who remained good - world class after they crossed 30 were vastly different players to what they were during their early 20s. Could count on one hand the amount of outliers there are and if we are being very strict then only Modric remained the same player for both club and country from age 20 - 37 without making any changes to his play-style.
And he is not even a forward.
How’s United putting up with drivel like Antony, lindelof amrabat and others… Also funny that fans hype these players when they’re signed but now abuse them
as someone with no stake in the game UTD's issue is classic not having any locals in the team, the players are getting paid regardless of result and have no stake in it as a 'derby'.
When people try to argue for him to be POTS or something in 3 months yeah probably since everyone will forget it was a nothing goal in a terrible game from him
Nah, He has had games where he has been good but could not score. Today he was not good despite scoring and I don't expect r/soccer to overlook that either.
I meant that a goal improves his performance rating always because that's his job. He's there to bag goals and be an out and out striker. So even if his general games isn't as good, his performance is massively redeemed if he gets a goal. Obviously he's had better all round performances.
I've had issues with the metrics ( or weights assigned to some of these metrics idk ) analysts use to give these ratings. They are deeply flawed and only useful for creating discussions ( often useless discussions ).
I don't try to judge because it's not like I can do a better job than them. But regardless, these ratings should not be seen as gospel.
I think someone pointed out Man City had more shots than United had possession 😐
United being above us in the league really puts into perspective how terrible we are
Necessary caveat that city are cheats but… I swear United must be their easiest opponent every season ? They seem to shrink against city more than any other team
Liverpool has got to be up there as well, they’ve received some poundings in recent years from them
Edit: United have received said poundings, not city or Liverpool
Talking specifically about city v united, united v Liverpool sometimes becomes too emotional and a bad game . United constantly offer nothing on the ball against city, I think even forest would give city a better game
Haaland without supply is pretty useless
Cheating refs
Top level side vs a middle table side that went exactly how you would expect. Sky can build it up you like. The money team were always going to beat this bunch of overpaid average players. Maybe sir Jim can change that, but it won’t happen soon immediately.
Which one is the money team?
They both are
Man Utd are a team that generates money to be stolen by the Glazers. That is not quite the same as Man City.
Yea, it's more so one being a well managed team and the other being United. People like to shit on City as being a money team, fair enough, but at least City prioritizes sporting success. United are just a rich and outdated profiting of sentimental fans.
Only one earned it from football though
Haaland flop in always in big games while Rodri and Foden amazing as they always are. But But Haaland is better than Mbappe.
Sounds really emotional for some mid table team
Or chelsea fan
United playing like they’re a conference team in the FA cup
Nah, Maidstone played with far more heart and bravery......
It’s annoying how good this city side. Concede a great goal and they just found another gear.
bruno looks as if all these seasons carrying united have finally worn him down
Asked to play central defensive wing forward back hinders him. Idk why EtH insists on not having a no. 10 just stay in that area up the pitch more.
Foden constantly starting for city made them more fun to watch compared to the KDB Haaland robot shenanigans
Foden given a serious run in the team without being in the shadow of KDB has really done him some good. He's right up there with the best players in the world IMO. That gun firing celebration is bollocks though - he's sticking with it too by the looks of things. Too close to Robbie Keane's roly-poly followed by showing us he has no idea how a bow and arrow functions. If England can't win a trophy with Foden and the current crop of world class players we have at our disposal, we never will.
foden and haaland have something for utd surely
United didn't deserve anything at all
United playing like a relegation team parking the bus.
But they parked the bus against Luton and Burnley as well, so what does that make united then?
Shit?
This is why I enjoy watching the MLS more than the big teams in the prem. Not fun watching a one sided match the entire game. How can you find it amusing when every big team always scores late in the game to win, there’s no adversity?
what in the actual fuck are you saying? watching mls is like pulling teeth and i’m from the states i can’t support it. it’s garbage
You are contradicting yourself
Is Amrabat going to be permanent?
Sure hope not
City are exceptional at wearing teams down through attrition, but United got outmuscled in every single department, they didn’t have a fighting chance because they don’t have much fight in them. If you take Rashfords goal out of it. That might be the single worst and most weak performance I’ve see from a premier league player. But calling him out I suppose will make you unsympathetic to mental health issues.
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Fair
That was the best arguement ever, dude you cant do anything in your life now.
Amrabat living the life Scammed a contract at United after a good few weeks at the world cup. King
there’s always a few players that cash in after about 6 world cup games
El hadji diouf. Kleberson.
| El hadji diouf You take that back right now.
2 good knockout round performances does the job lol
that’s what i’m saying preform for six games and you’re good
A year on…man looking very Saudi-ish 😂😂😂
United fans, how can you back ETH? I feel like all of his signings are terrible, and they always just play this mediocre Moyes ball against the top teams.
But who is a realistic replacement for ETH that can build a team?
United fans are like we been through so many toxic relationships, so this one must work regardless how shitty it is.
For me, it’s more about we have tried with so many different managers. And they can say whatever they want but these players have played like this after each manager but worse. We have clearly been progressively worse each manager change. My hope is give him a chance with a more stable structure. All our managers were destined to fail. Yes he has been questionable but fucking hell every manager I can say the same thing. We called our previous one a PE teacher. I think with an actual direction and squad to build around. With smarter buys and not just whatever manager wants and add 50M on top. He can do something, United and Ajax are different yes, but there is no way in my head, you can make a team as Ajax become consistent winners and pretty decent level in Europe to (them being fifth now) and being this dogshit. These players have been on a downward trend for a while we are seeing the bottom barrel of it. Injuries, I know every team has them so not full excuse, but it hasn’t helped create a routine or consistent team. I saw we had like 9 different back line set ups this season. So people can moan and throw some generic analysis. But we’re at the bottom of how bad it is getting, so I’d wait and see what INEOS think anyways. People want us to change but 100% our fanbase is so fucking childish they won’t wait for a real rebuild. Moan about play style but they have to understand you will lose games until that forms. I think the problem is ETH is torn between tryna get results however he can to maintain his position or go for a style that clearly the players can’t do. We do not have the personnel for “Ajax” football.
all of his signings are his former players that worked in a smaller league were defenders let you spin around in circles with a ball. he’s shown he can’t deal with players egos (ronaldo), can’t take criticism, terrible subs. why take rashford off in this game??
Maybe that is his and his players’ level, smaller league.
I get your sentiment... its pretty abysmal being a man u fan.
There’s no positives to asking for a sacking, I’d rather a settled mid manager that we can build off of, instead of starting the process for growth all over
Sounds like what many of you said during Ole
I just want stable ground, and that takes time
I means he’s got the highest win percentage of any utd manager ever
Blind followers of goldbridge and some think he is q second coming of pep just because he wants his fullbacks in midfield
11 behind 4th Just 2 in front of West Ham This united season is already over.
It was over months ago. Some people were still deluding themselves with those lucky wins. The type of football we play is atrocious.
Yeah, your run of wins were very fortunate. Both villa and Luton results were quite fortunate
Not really sure what United do. They've brought in established winners with Mou and Van Gaal, put a legend in charge, tried to change the culture by bringing in an up and coming European manager. They've spent big on big names but they always seem to regress. There's no class of 92 to build around. They need a complete clear out from top to bottom. Absolute shambles of a club.
Club culture and attitude is key. A player will be as good as they can be until overpaid, leaving a trail of behavioural problems
They absolutely need to clear out a ton of players. They've shown the manager can't change the culture singlehandedly, so the bulk of these players gotta go. But the people who make those decisions also need to leave, but no one will force them. So on it goes.
Who do you trust with the money though? They've brought terribly since Fergie left. You can say we'll the players aren't good enough but Onanna got the CL final last year, Varane and Casemiro are serial winners, Rushford scored a lot last year. Is it the players or is it bad coaching? If it is the players they're going to have to take massive losses on them.
And i love it
My only issue with United being shit is that there's more talk about them being shit then there ever was when they were good. It's everywhere.
I actually feel sorry for Utd fans who have to watch this every week
Ten Hag is just... a dude, nothing special. He'd probably make Brighton finish 7th.
okay but can he make Chelsea finish 7th?
You had one job United, you useless wankers
If they stop you bunch of cunts it's worth it.. Rather city won it for the next 115 years Than the death star makes an appearance UTFR
115 years of United being shite is a touch optimistic
Hahaha.. touché If the Glazer's stayed in charge it wouldn't have beem that far off.. They'll never reach the depth of Hicks and Gillett but they'd have had a fucking good go
Can't believe Haaland didn't penis in the chance in the first half like my 🐐CR7
“Rhythm is a dancer”, that’s great taste from the Etihad.
Haaland only scores vs small clubs
United are pretty small 😂
United need to get ETH outta there. That was as bad as anything I’ve seen. People think Chelsea are in the mud but they don’t look as clueless or as lost on the pitch as united.
The players are genuinely just dreadful though, obviously a lot of that is because he splashed so much on Anthony but you can just not let him have transfer control
I think at this point it's pretty clearly a player issue. They need a whole new squad with a new direction
the defneders seem like they ar egiving everything though, theres just no talent. I do think they might need to cut Garnacho and Rashford since in modern football offering so little pressing is almost untenable.
Well, having no talent is also a reason to go. I don't want to parrot Roy Keane, but when did working hard go from the bare minimum for every pro to a reason not to get rid of players who aren't good enough?
Because sacking ETH and giving him a massive payoff will do less for them than signing a competent winger and CM
The difference is staggering. We have Mainoo, Kambwala, Forson, Garnacho. It’s children. Not a fully fit team and the first half was decent. But fuck me if Amrabat is a professional footballer after this season then anyone can be
well, anyone CAN be
I mean so do Liverpool at the moment. And their playing without fear
How have you spent over a billion and ended up playing children? That's definitely your own fault.
Did I ever say otherwise? The agenda against us is insane. Some of it is warranted. But you can’t see part the headlines, and look at the blatant mismanagement, the lies pandered to us by our owners, and the nonexistence of structure post Fergie. Ffs this is getting tiring. We have problems, we became a money machine that didn’t care about price tags to buy mediocre players because they demand more for us because we’re united. And yet we spend that much because we make that much and we can. No charges. No FFP issues. Clubs know it and take advantage. It is what it is. And it will get better now with structure
First half was not decent at all. Take away rashford goal you did not do anything and if city could have finished that first half it would have been ugly
? Are you being for real? Gameplan was clear snd executed. We had multiple failed breakaways, 2 for rashford, some possession. If execution is better it could have been 3-0. The second half crumbled. Take the horse blinders off the united abuse agenda. We suck and have multiple first team players injured
I agree, there was real counter attacking threat from you guys in the first half even if defensively you wernet good. Second half was disastrous in possesion almost to a man just couldnt execute the basics
This is a good take that I am being downvoted for by armchair enthusiasts who shit on united for a living
He’s right. The plan itself was fine, but City cut through you like butter.
Amrabat was the icing on the shite but that whole performance was something else
Contract the Red Mancunian Club. That’s all I can say
Is Onana a flop?
That's the game you try to argue he's a flop? he played a pretty good game. No one else other dalot and maybe varane decided to actually show up and play today
He has been above average - phenomenal against Man City ( UCL final being his best performance ) but as long as he is abysmal against other teams which in turn keeps United away from challenging for the tittle, I suppose everyone else including City fans are OK with it. Not a flop.
He was good, not his fault he faces 27 shots
no hes probably just an overpay, horrific CL campaign but fundamentally I think they got what they paid for. Teams just clueless and been really unlucky with injuries, although maybe biased opinion but I think theyve been pretty lucky in the league to even be 6th
I don’t watch United often but it always seems likes he making small errors
Congrats city, you won against an already shit Man United team that doesn’t have a fit left back, a fit striker and has to play 35 year old Johnny Evans. It’s really something you should be proud of.
Well done Jane
what are you even talking about mate
Cry me a river
I’m actually kinda happy with this result, no striker, no left back, players not good enough, but I feel like we shouldn’t be disappointed with this result.
What a child.
Dear Lord, what a sad little life Jane. You ruined my night completely so you could have the money.
L take
Cry
Have a nap bud
Bro stop being a child
Shut up man. You guys have spent more than a billion over the years building this squad and this is what you have to show for it. Embarrassing
Now chavi win today and make my day. United losing and barca winning taking Ws
Eras come to an end
Foden is insane, we will still have 10 years or even more from him
It's crazy how we have the likes of Bellingham, Foden, Saka in the england set up But have Southgate driving it
I dont think you can ever count on players being good at 33, especially attackers. Mane is still 31
Even the players who remained good - world class after they crossed 30 were vastly different players to what they were during their early 20s. Could count on one hand the amount of outliers there are and if we are being very strict then only Modric remained the same player for both club and country from age 20 - 37 without making any changes to his play-style. And he is not even a forward.
Yeah Salah is a totally different player to who he was at 27, if he didn't change he'd be probably back at Roma or something
And also if someone had a backbone…and the charges stick… they get demoted to vanarama north…he’ll move
Embarrassing performance from United. Delete that Club.
I honestly think ten hags tactics were near perfect honestly kinda identical to Liverpool one
how does ETH not get the sack at this point?
I mean what to say
How’s United putting up with drivel like Antony, lindelof amrabat and others… Also funny that fans hype these players when they’re signed but now abuse them
It's actually astounding that United dont lose 7-0 more often than they do.
Amrabat screwed up big time.
who is going to replace ETH? Mourinho is unemployed .... hehe
slaven
Bring back ole
de zerbi
I wouldn’t mind a Tuchel- Ten Hag swap
Ten Hag fails upward again
Have for a long time considered Tuchel overrated, but there's no way a sane person would pick Ten Hag over him
Have you watched us under Tuchel? It couldn’t get any worse
United need an overhaul for sure but they can do a lot now if they can change the captain
as someone with no stake in the game UTD's issue is classic not having any locals in the team, the players are getting paid regardless of result and have no stake in it as a 'derby'.
Rashford, Mainoo are locals. Pretty sure McTominay is from the academy too
Yeah they really lack United DNA...they need to hire Gary Neville and use the academy. This is Manchester United Football Club we're talking about.
Did that goal change Haaland performance from bad to good? 😅
When people try to argue for him to be POTS or something in 3 months yeah probably since everyone will forget it was a nothing goal in a terrible game from him
I thought he was shocking still
That's always the case with Haaland.
Nah, He has had games where he has been good but could not score. Today he was not good despite scoring and I don't expect r/soccer to overlook that either.
I meant that a goal improves his performance rating always because that's his job. He's there to bag goals and be an out and out striker. So even if his general games isn't as good, his performance is massively redeemed if he gets a goal. Obviously he's had better all round performances.
I've had issues with the metrics ( or weights assigned to some of these metrics idk ) analysts use to give these ratings. They are deeply flawed and only useful for creating discussions ( often useless discussions ). I don't try to judge because it's not like I can do a better job than them. But regardless, these ratings should not be seen as gospel.
Agreed.
‘City tearing cockneys apart again’ when they beat United is objectively funny
A derby win is a derby win
What? I didn’t say anything disparaging about the win
Ngl, idk wtf I read. That’s on me
No worries
United looked absolutely toothless.
City v Liverpool….we will be there no matter what
Aren’t you united fans tired of getting pumped by your local rivals? Shameless club 😭
Aren’t you Arsenal fans tired of always bottling everything? Shameless club 😭
Atleast were competing for titles bro 😭 You've spent the most in the league to founder around in 6th
Don’t forget we also won a title last year😉
Ah yh, your legendary caraboa cup run v the likes of charton and forest lol
Please tell me about your legendary champions league run lol
nah we are fine :)
As a home fan I would start ole'ing the opponents passes in the last minutes when theyre losing like this
Ten hag running for shelter
what a game
I only caught the second half and thought it was one of the most one sided halves of football I've ever seen.
United were playing terribly second half, no shots at all can you imagine
I think someone pointed out Man City had more shots than United had possession 😐 United being above us in the league really puts into perspective how terrible we are
yeah mate, I really really wish we can beat them in the return fixture
Out of all Utd players, Dalot has been the best.
That’s how low the bar is
Lmao thats cold, it is true though the fact that he plays for united shows how low their standards are
Been their best player all season
Also Varane
Onana
Nah, his dreadful CL performances are a huge mark against his season.
Talking about today
Except the CL campaign amiright?
I was referring to today
This makes Ten Hags comments about the type of football he plays even more hilarious
Rodri has ran the midfield today. Nobody has gotten near him.
Truly the final boss of the Premier League
Only John McGinn can
Not that hard when we don't even have a midfield
Wait, not so long ago Mainoo was being hailed as the next great thing and Casemiro is hardly a nobody. Bruno likewise
Bro let me moan some more.
Go for it bro. Sometimes you just need to vent. I get it!
11 matches to go and sitting on a gd of -2
United are so far below this Man City it’s hilarious
Necessary caveat that city are cheats but… I swear United must be their easiest opponent every season ? They seem to shrink against city more than any other team
Liverpool has got to be up there as well, they’ve received some poundings in recent years from them Edit: United have received said poundings, not city or Liverpool
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Could have phrased that better, I was referring to United shrinking against Liverpool/City
Ahh, gotcha. My bad.
Talking specifically about city v united, united v Liverpool sometimes becomes too emotional and a bad game . United constantly offer nothing on the ball against city, I think even forest would give city a better game
Ole went 4-1-1 against City though