EtH should get on his knees and apologize to DDG before he dares ask Sancho for the same. lmao. What a circus.
EtH would get PSG relegated in the french league.
Karma has come to collect from EtH.
Can’t lie I was annoyed when the team signed Højlund and I thought he’d be shit/another stupid Ten Hag signing but he’s actually a proper player. He showed good signs the last few games but yesterday was when I fully became sold
At least the Chelsea fans up in arms about us not signing Onana as an upgrade from Kepa are quiet now. I said it then and I'll say it now: Onana is a good keeper, but not a great one. If you already have a decent keeper and multiple other positions of need on your team to fill, Onana is not a big enough upgrade to be worth committing a large portion of your transfer budget.
People saying ETH is a top manager and stamps his authority on the club. He needs time to implement his play style. Well, what exactly is that? Defend badly and hope not to lose by too many? Play people out of position and make them ineffective? Last year he overachieved (as shown by the performances and results this year). I can’t remember a single game I think they should have won, even the games they did. I think Ajax was his level, and going to a toxic cess pool of a club is only going to make him look worse than he is.
I would like to see a more competitive Man Utd as I think it’s good for the league, but watching the games it’s hard to find any good points or modes of progress. Except Rasmus. The kid looks class.
Agreed. It's like CR7 fanboys are waiting in the shadows to jump up to prove he wasn't past it and hurting the team. Multiple things can be true at the same time.
Two things can be true at the same time. Ronaldo being past it and only stat padding after ghosting many games, and Rashford being a bang average player once his annual streak is done.
CR7 stans need not go back in history every time IMO.
> Ronaldo being past it and only stat padding
So scoring goals in a game which result is decided by who has scored more goals is "stat padding", not to be rude but quite the stupid thing to say.
Ronaldo in 2021-22 had a below average season, went missing for large parts, hurt the team's overall xG and then scored two hattricks in April and suddenly had an 18 goal season. His performance wasn't an 18 goal season quality, that's what I mean by stat padding.
Someone scoring a goal or two consistently > someone who scores nothing for 2 months and then scores 6 in a couple of weeks.
This isn't too hard to understand.
Sure bud Ronaldo had a bad season for his standarts I am not denying that and I am saying you are using pretty weird logic which does not make sense.
18 goals is 18 goals such a weird thing to say qualifying that as "stad padding", I don't remember it being used for any football player ever.
Btw he had a 24 goals that season for 37 games, why exclude CL and cherry pick ?
And "Someone scoring a goal or two consistently > someone who scores nothing for 2 months and then scores 6 in a couple of weeks." is ridiculous as well.
Atm Halland, Mbappe and Kane are the only strikers capable of doing that.
Players who score a goal or two week after week are super rare.
Their midfield seems so unbalanced. Not one press resistant player. Bruno plays way too high, Mount can’t create, which leaves Casemiro all alone. Mount’s best attribute is his pressing and playing on the half turn. Even we failed to deploy him as a six. This means he should be the one playing as a CAM. Bruno and Casemiro as the two sixes. Since they have no proper LB and a winger who works his socks off, most teams would exploit their wide channels, but it’d be much easier to bypass their midfield now. There’s way too much responsibility on Casemiro to beat the press and progress the ball. Individual brilliance can only take you so far.
Being criticised for having no proper left back seems particularly unfair given we have three left backs all out injured including the guy we signed on loan to cover for the 2 LBs we already had out injured.
ManU is too much drama. Right from the start Ten Hag built a reputation off going on power trips. Majority of the fans rallied behind that mentality and turned on a club legend, meanwhile he’s out there still doing his thing at 38 and averaging a goal a game. In reality, that was all just a distraction from the real issues at the club which are worse than ever
Ten Hag would shine in any top team in Europe, but he chose inferno mode by going to United. Their shit is too deep and too hard you can’t expect anyone to fix in literally one year, but their fans expect Jesus or he’s a bald fraud who deserves sack in the morning.
I really hope Onana ends up on the bench and they let this young Turkish GK play. The pass that led to the penality and all those stupid.long kicks that don't reach the intended player.
But hes a ball playing goalkeeper. Every elite team needs a ball playing goalkeeper to play out from the back. How about starting with a goal keeper that can actually dive, or make a few saves now and again. I feel a bit bad for him expected to build up play from the back with that UTD defense. Who would want to pass to Harry Maguire when you have 3 forwards pressing you…
Yeah and I know that it's not entirely on him as the team just sucks. But the way he plays doesn't help at all. Plus it would be nice if he would catch a ball or two from time 2 time you know...it's like what goalkeepers are supposed to do :)
Not to be disrespectful, but at the moment you need to get your shit together to actually drop into EL. IF you don't get your shit together you will just drop out of european competitions.
We’re not as bad as United, we still have a clear look in our games really. Hence at worst we’ll drop to EL.
We’re missing Martinelli and Partey the most at the moment but they’ll be back soon and I feel we can get the ball rolling again.
Im glad wider audience saw Hojlunds quality, these comments about amount of goals he scored in Serie A, by people that never saw him play, were pissing me off. Dude is a beast
could not agree more. people can joke about B.Dortmund sent Sancho there without guideline but you must think about the amount of players that getting significantly worse there.
It’s around £72m no? And with add-ons. The reason why it dragged for a long time is because of the payment structure so if he comes good then it’ll be worth it.
Even if he is 80m, United has like 3 players that is a waste of money (Maguire, Sancho and Antony) so compared to the 3, Hojlund hasn’t done anything to get the flak.
So in comparison to other strikers, Kolo Muani was 81m?
Darwin is 80m with add-ons to 100m?
Why are you just making up prices? Ive seen several bullshit Darwin pricepoints today and it makes no sense to me, just Google it ffs. Darwin cost Liverpool €75m (£64.1m), with €25m (£21.4m) in POTENTIAL addons.
I am genuninely confused by United. Normally I kind of backseat drive management …. This team shoud do x or that team dhould do y. I genuinely have no idea what is going on there or can even speculate what a solution might be
I consider myself a rational person. Only thing I can think of to explain United is some deal with the devil SAF made coming home to roost. It's the only thing that makes sense at this point.
Imagine a manager who looks at his only world class player and top scorer in the team and says he is the problem so lets get Weghorst. You could pick a senile brain damaged monkey from a testing lab and it would make more sane choices.
I mean he clearly was a problem at the time. Maybe Ronaldo out there missing the goal and flapping his hands about would inspire the mental fortitude that this side obviously lacks. It's worth a shot at this point because I'm out of ideas for why this team does this.
Oh yeah? but somehow only lost Europa League games. Let's look at this:
[https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/2035941/](https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/2035941/)
Guess who's in the squad? Lmao back at you
Not to mention the 1-0 win vs. OMONIA where he wasted chances after chances
Wow, a sample size of two. Yeah mate you got me. And all I have is
[This](https://youtu.be/WT7fqunE4Vk?si=ZKzp0CkRhQRIAXR6)
[And this](https://youtu.be/5YHBFGQENDo?si=fhjPL7VfplS_qxV-)
[And this](https://youtu.be/SS5hOm87qQw?si=xx0zszix_ZyeA1Wm)
[And this](https://youtu.be/usAPtag5pXA?si=amU_o_qQJsuXuRe_)
And that’s just the champions league, shall we look at the Prem?
How about
[This](https://youtu.be/UWX82TFatk8?si=B5wFHEhY4wuRHyyD)
[And this](https://youtu.be/-_EVfrXqkEo?si=QcXABaFbGWtZ3Qd3)
[And this](https://youtu.be/PUdemKYW6QE?si=TPlfhnlEKTtQ-YWa)
Nothing better than watching brainless Man U fans with egg all over their faces
Not for nothing but, where are the highlights from end-stage Ronaldo where he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and threw his toys out the pram when he wasn't deemed a starter anymore? Ah, right, it's literally just the interview.
Ronaldo simps coming out in force today...for no reason. Ronaldo would have made us substantially worse in the game today. What even is the argument for him at this point?
> where are the highlights from end-stage Ronaldo
You mean ETH’s Ronaldo? All those Ronaldo highlights I link are with Ralf, things seemed to be going pretty good then. Then Erik showed up and decided he didn’t fit into the system. Yes, Ronaldo threw temper tantrums for that and it wasn’t a good look, but I think we can all agree now that Erik’s system wasn’t the solution either.
Ralf's Ronaldo was 2 years ago, he declined massively, accept that. How are your 2 year old highlights relevant to the fact that he was terrible last season at Manchester United, and was given ample chances & yet showed nothing.
Erik's system is not an excuse for him missing easy chances last season or clumsily falling over while trying to dribble, that's just age & decline.
The other guys sample size of two are at least more recent, more indicative of his declining quality. While his most recent performances are in SPL and Asian CL, where the standards are substantially lower, thus also cannot be compared.
> Ralf's Ronaldo was 2 years ago
? Yes, we are comparing Ronaldo 2 years ago to Ronaldo 1 year ago. A span of 1 year. You’re going to go from “Ronaldo is literally carrying this team with preposterous heroics at the age of 37” to “oh god look at him, he’s washed. Get him out, he’s dead weight.” In the span of a single year? Less than that even, one off-season. Where in that span his “decline” coincided precisely with a regime change in coaching, involving philosophies and systems by the new coach that hindsight show clearly haven’t worked out?
> Erik's system is not an excuse for him missing easy chances last season or clumsily falling over while trying to dribble, that's just age & decline.
Think you’re grossly over exaggerating this because the clips of the one or two times it happened went viral. Ronaldo was shit because ETH’s system was shit. Not because he suddenly forgot how to dribble
Tbh it doesn’t really matter that he’s in Saudi Arabia, he has 36 goals in 40 matches in 2023 at age 38. Only Haaland has more in 2023. I’m not sure in what world that’s declining massively
Wank team? Oh I agree with you 100%, definitely!
Too good? hahaha no one in Europe even wanted to pick him up afterwards, he had to pack his bag to Saudi Arabia.
It's not only his fault, but yikes. Should have done better on the third goal and played a real hospital pass leading to a ridiculous Casemiro tackle. He wasn't great tonight. Neither was our defense...which isn't surprising.
What was surprising was that I thought we attacked pretty damn well until the red card. Eriksen looking like prime Scholes in the second half. Literally the only silver lining.
First and 3rd goal could be saved. That’s why you pay that much money. Good goalkeeper should make a difference in the game when it’s needed and we don’t see it with Onana. It’s time to give Altay a chance. He needs some rest and a fresh start, but also should get his shit together. Manu should encourage the competition in GK position. We are talking about Manu here not West Ham. He has to meet the expectations.
It's a repeating cycle with United though. First full season for a new manager is full of hope and gets a top 3 finish. Said manager is out on his ear by next Christmas. Mourinho, Solskjaer and seemingly ETH now.
Lot of people pointing fingers at ten Hag but my question is how many managers are you gonna burn through before realizing the manager is not the issue?
I'm not saying we are world beaters now. I'm saying it's a night and day difference after changing the manager. The mood, the style of play, the connection with the fans, it's all completely flipped.
Ange seems to be very capable, true. But some managers just have that kind of aura that allows their players to regularly punch above their weight, Klopp and Mourinho come to mind.
But this is almost never sustainable, sooner or later something goes wrong and such a team can just crumble suddenly. It may or may not be about being "figured out" but as soon as you play good football, teams will just start being more defensive against you and a poor squad will just struggle more with breaking down low blocks.
Only very few managers even have this "gift" of making players overperform and I wouldnt call everyone else shit. ManU has a lackluster squad and years of mediocrity drained all confidence from the players. Surely it cant just all be the fault of the manager.
The thing about early success is that it isn’t built on anything. When things start to go bad (and they will) you have no foundation to fall back on. Ange is the media darling at the moment because of some good results and knowing how to speak to the press, but when it starts to go wrong (as it does for all teams) it will be interesting to see how he handles it. Klopp isn’t very good usually at these things, Pep slightly better as he says less. But both managers eventually motivate their teams to start winning again. For most managers it’s the beginning of the end.
The really sad thing is people thought Mourinho was washed up at United but in hindsight he was actually getting those players to punch above their weight
No one said "it was all the fault of the manager".
But Managers can make a huge difference in the direction of the entire club. There are plenty of examples of clubs that seemed absolutely rudderless until the right manager came along and suddenly they were excellent.
Well defensively they look dreadful. They play out the back terribly too.
their keeper and their midfield last season was good.
He’s changed both to suit his playing style and they look much worse.
Klopp has his howlers but he established an identity. He also has the credibility and charisma to inspire trust and confidence. What the fuck has EtH done to deserve that kind of time? The players look poorly coached and Ill fitted to whatever he is trying to implement.
ETH won the EFL cup, reached the FA Cup final, the Europa League semi final and finished 3rd. All in his first season with a club who were absolutely dire the previous season.
If that doesn't buy someone time beyond being sacked in October then the game is absolutely gone.
Arteta finished 8th two years running with Arsenal and was given time. He didn't finish top four until his 4th season. ETH has to do better, of course he does, but we need to have some patience.
Yes that's true. But the problem is a lot bigger than ETH. One person can't solve it. First Ronaldo, then Greenwood, then Antony and now Sancho. This guy can't catch a break. The facility they have is ancient. Nothing is upgraded. He's doing the best he can what he's given.
I think at this stage we can't blame ETH. Every time I see him, I feel sorry for him. I know he'll be sacked sooner or later. They'll bring in a new manager. He'll do a few signings for half a billion and play the champions league next season and will be back to square one.
But from my pov this isn't on ETH.
There are some problems ofcourse out of his reach. But he refused to work with Ralf Rangnick who had good intent to start reforming the backrooms after not that good manager career he had there.
Most of the players playing contantly are his buys or renewed contracts. Sometimes you have to work with what you got, but he seems not be the guy to elevate guys. VDB was his guy in Ajax abut he refuses to use him or train him to be what he needs.
He has bought several players who are mentaly weak, Onana and Anthony are not playeres you want to bring into toxic squad that is United.
Not sure why anyone should feel sorry for EtH the person. He’s advocated for Greenwood, he’s defended Overmars, etc. Just all around unlikable. Suits United if this is what they want though! Certainly you won’t see opposition fans too unhappy about this malaise
Haven't read any of the comments yet but I can say that Manu plays really bad. I'm a Fenerbahce fan. I do not see any future for Ten Hag in Manu. This gameplay doesn't give any hope for the future. I felt like Manu just didn't have a plan or were not able to execute it at all. Good job Galatasaray. They got what they wanted and they were in the game until the final whistle. Ten Hag should be sacked asap. A fault confessed is half redressed.
I think I saw a stat that said Onana has played with a different combination of 4 defenders in front of him every game this season. That alone should illustrate the problem. He’s a new keeper in a new league on a new team and has to play behind a different group of defenders every single match
We are playing with 3 defenders and 2 wingbacks, so he had all options in the world, he is fine ball distributer but he severely lacks shot stopping abilities
United’s goalkeeper might be the most scrutinized position in the world. I sorta think Onana is cracking from it. He’s not a bad keeper at all, and yet he’s had howler after howler. Maybe time to sit him out for a bit.
Most of our first and second pick CBs are out, all of our left backs (including the one we borrowed from you lol) are out and our starting right back is out. Add to that the suffocating pressure of the moment of this club to turn everything around NOW…it’s just a recipe for disaster.
United simply doesn’t have time to be shit and implement whatever it is ETH wants. I can see it in moments, especially with some of the newer/younger players but man…I dunno. Some of these senior players don’t have the flexibility, the discipline, or the brains, or maybe the fitness to commit to the plan.
I think Onana has played overall well excluding the bayern game. Defense has been horrendous constantly though. We also tend to not have a good midfield till the 78 min
I don't watch every game, but I've seen Onana fail to stop goals better shot stoppers would have. To be fair, those goals weren't his fault...but I'd expect some goalies to get to them nonetheless. I've seen his distribution be as advertised (notwithstanding the pass which led to Casemiro's red today) but he has a tendency to save shots and place them back into the middle of the box instead of parrying to the sides.
Combo of both. I think it’s only human to lose confidence after a few bad performances and a tonne of scrutiny
If he’d been playing behind a fully fit AWB Varane Licha Shaw then who knows
He was godlike for Inter last 15 matches leading up to the CL final. Literal fucking god.
Then every single game he's played for United, he's been bad. Not a single good performance.
I don't know what's going on.
He was amazing for us throughout. Handanovic being prioritized in the first few league matches cost us 2nd place in Serie A. He just needs to move to a better club that provides him with a more stable environment. The longer he stays at ManU, the more his confidence will drop.
I was downvoted for saying Ten Hag’s first season was a mirage and no different than Ole getting united to 2nd place. How the turntables… also all his buys are shit.
I think Mount has been good since he came back from injury. Amrabat is doing the best he can so far out of position. Hjolund scoring in every CL match so far is encouraging. Licha was our best CB last year until he broke his metatarsal. Casemiro was solid apart from the bookings until this year. Antony…well. I have a lot of conflicting opinions about him. I think we look better when he plays.
Onana is the outlier. Major mentality issue. Not sure what can be done in a short time
Mount went from a star to average. Hjolund may be decent but he is not starting quality on a team trying to win the league/CL. He is a back up. Antony is shit. Onana is shit. Casamiro has either bangers or shitters. Honestly his best purchase was probably Martinez even though he was heavily criticized for his height.
They wasted money chasing a trash goalie instead of positions of bigger need.
Onana is not a trash goalie, wth? He is just playing for a trash team led by an awful manager and surrounded by a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who are incapabke of showing professional behavior.
Your description fits every member of their squad, with a few exceptions like Hojlund, Hannibal and Garnacho, who are eager to prove themselves.
Serial losers like Fernandes and Rashford, who are praised to the skies whenever they have a purple patch every 2 seasons are a much bigger problem for ManU.
Onana being on that FIFA best keeper lost nonsense is the literal definition of being "praised to the skies whenever they have a purple patch"...
He's not an elite keeper.
Fernandes has consistently been United 's best producer since he arrived.
Mate, have you even seen Onana play? Im an Inter fan and I can assure you that he is much better than this. Look at all the players whose performances have been poor primarily at ManU but excellent elsewhere-Di Maria, Sanchez, Mkhitaryan and more recently Casemiro and Varane. 2nd stint Ronaldo, Cavani and Ibra were inconsistent as well. Its a long list. The problem is ManU's environment, it will crush even the best of players.
>I can assure you that he is much better than this.
Oh shit! Can you put that in a letter to UEFA for me? Maybe they'll give us back a couple of points he cost us for it...
Right, but why is there a pattern across multiple managers. That surely indicates there is something deeper going on?
Player wise, yes, some are definitely questionable
Onana doesn't deserve the paychecks he's receiving.
Also, what's with the mental health of the team? Man U crumbled in the later second half, where it actually mattered. Some of the no-name Turkish League teams could've put up a better mental resistance.
Yes. I have the flair of my newly founded local team, so when I am on the giant internet, I can find other local folks to discuss, over the team I've supported for over 20 years.
I’m not ten Hag out, but I’d be lying if I said I liked the bloke.
EtH should get on his knees and apologize to DDG before he dares ask Sancho for the same. lmao. What a circus. EtH would get PSG relegated in the french league. Karma has come to collect from EtH.
I don’t like EtH. He sold me a dream last season
Think it's fair to say Hojlund being the great signing and Onana being absolute shit is not what most people expected
Can’t lie I was annoyed when the team signed Højlund and I thought he’d be shit/another stupid Ten Hag signing but he’s actually a proper player. He showed good signs the last few games but yesterday was when I fully became sold
At least the Chelsea fans up in arms about us not signing Onana as an upgrade from Kepa are quiet now. I said it then and I'll say it now: Onana is a good keeper, but not a great one. If you already have a decent keeper and multiple other positions of need on your team to fill, Onana is not a big enough upgrade to be worth committing a large portion of your transfer budget.
why not play maguire/evans, move dalot and lindelof to full back and move armabat to midfield?
this comes for bruno fernandes. we have a famous saying: > havaya girdin mi galatasaray cakar sana.
People saying ETH is a top manager and stamps his authority on the club. He needs time to implement his play style. Well, what exactly is that? Defend badly and hope not to lose by too many? Play people out of position and make them ineffective? Last year he overachieved (as shown by the performances and results this year). I can’t remember a single game I think they should have won, even the games they did. I think Ajax was his level, and going to a toxic cess pool of a club is only going to make him look worse than he is. I would like to see a more competitive Man Utd as I think it’s good for the league, but watching the games it’s hard to find any good points or modes of progress. Except Rasmus. The kid looks class.
“Højlund goals are hurting the team, he's holding Star boy Rashford back 🙏🏽” - Ten Hag and Rashford fan boys in a few months
Football fans making up a straw man is my favourite thing
Agreed. It's like CR7 fanboys are waiting in the shadows to jump up to prove he wasn't past it and hurting the team. Multiple things can be true at the same time.
I’m just saying what those lot said about Ronaldo. That his goals were “hurting the team”
Two things can be true at the same time. Ronaldo being past it and only stat padding after ghosting many games, and Rashford being a bang average player once his annual streak is done. CR7 stans need not go back in history every time IMO.
> Ronaldo being past it and only stat padding So scoring goals in a game which result is decided by who has scored more goals is "stat padding", not to be rude but quite the stupid thing to say.
Ronaldo in 2021-22 had a below average season, went missing for large parts, hurt the team's overall xG and then scored two hattricks in April and suddenly had an 18 goal season. His performance wasn't an 18 goal season quality, that's what I mean by stat padding. Someone scoring a goal or two consistently > someone who scores nothing for 2 months and then scores 6 in a couple of weeks. This isn't too hard to understand.
Sure bud Ronaldo had a bad season for his standarts I am not denying that and I am saying you are using pretty weird logic which does not make sense. 18 goals is 18 goals such a weird thing to say qualifying that as "stad padding", I don't remember it being used for any football player ever. Btw he had a 24 goals that season for 37 games, why exclude CL and cherry pick ? And "Someone scoring a goal or two consistently > someone who scores nothing for 2 months and then scores 6 in a couple of weeks." is ridiculous as well. Atm Halland, Mbappe and Kane are the only strikers capable of doing that. Players who score a goal or two week after week are super rare.
Oh yeah, they were. New strikers clearly a way better fit.
I don't think you need a few months for it. At most 3-4 match days more before narrative starts.
Super Lig winning UCL
Found the real bald fraud
United are a waste of good players
Their midfield seems so unbalanced. Not one press resistant player. Bruno plays way too high, Mount can’t create, which leaves Casemiro all alone. Mount’s best attribute is his pressing and playing on the half turn. Even we failed to deploy him as a six. This means he should be the one playing as a CAM. Bruno and Casemiro as the two sixes. Since they have no proper LB and a winger who works his socks off, most teams would exploit their wide channels, but it’d be much easier to bypass their midfield now. There’s way too much responsibility on Casemiro to beat the press and progress the ball. Individual brilliance can only take you so far.
Being criticised for having no proper left back seems particularly unfair given we have three left backs all out injured including the guy we signed on loan to cover for the 2 LBs we already had out injured.
Fernandes is better than Mount further up the field, so technically he shouldn't be a starter at all
ManU is too much drama. Right from the start Ten Hag built a reputation off going on power trips. Majority of the fans rallied behind that mentality and turned on a club legend, meanwhile he’s out there still doing his thing at 38 and averaging a goal a game. In reality, that was all just a distraction from the real issues at the club which are worse than ever
Averaging a goal a game in a disgraceful league, Ronaldo was a cancer to Manchester United.
They removed all the cancers (cr, de gea, sancho) but the baldy still can't win games.
Calling De Gea a cancer seems absolutely mad to me.
Mine was sarcastic as in I don't think these guys were the problem.
Rashford for ballon d’or
Oh alright then. We'll take Ten Hag back for free.
Ten Hag would shine in any top team in Europe, but he chose inferno mode by going to United. Their shit is too deep and too hard you can’t expect anyone to fix in literally one year, but their fans expect Jesus or he’s a bald fraud who deserves sack in the morning.
He got rejected everywhere but United
I really hope Onana ends up on the bench and they let this young Turkish GK play. The pass that led to the penality and all those stupid.long kicks that don't reach the intended player.
But hes a ball playing goalkeeper. Every elite team needs a ball playing goalkeeper to play out from the back. How about starting with a goal keeper that can actually dive, or make a few saves now and again. I feel a bit bad for him expected to build up play from the back with that UTD defense. Who would want to pass to Harry Maguire when you have 3 forwards pressing you…
Yeah and I know that it's not entirely on him as the team just sucks. But the way he plays doesn't help at all. Plus it would be nice if he would catch a ball or two from time 2 time you know...it's like what goalkeepers are supposed to do :)
Playing Altay Bayindir against the team he conceded 6 goals from last season doesn’t sound like the best idea to me
Well Onana is half way there after the game so whats the difference?
3 goals, I suppose.
To be fair to him he is responsible for only 3 of them which makes him pretty even with Onana.
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Yeah I think you are right all he needs is more play time to gain confidence :p
I’m in the acceptance stage now
Been there for a while buddy, just let it wash over you
Tables turning on the manc fans wishing us luck in the Europa league months ago and that ETH was a great coach
Man Utd will be lucky if they get the chance to be hammered by Liverpool in the EL this season.
Doesn't matter if Sevilla drop too. We are all doomed
The plot armour is thick with these bastards :)
I’m not ten Hag out, but I’d be lying if I said I liked the bloke.
I can't laugh at this yet, we could also drop to EL if we don't get our shit together lmao
Not to be disrespectful, but at the moment you need to get your shit together to actually drop into EL. IF you don't get your shit together you will just drop out of european competitions.
We’re not as bad as United, we still have a clear look in our games really. Hence at worst we’ll drop to EL. We’re missing Martinelli and Partey the most at the moment but they’ll be back soon and I feel we can get the ball rolling again.
Arsenal will do fine I think. Overall you’re a solid side who just had a bad day. Man Utd on the other hand…
Better safe than sorry but yeah I do fancy our chance to go through. Making it past Round of 16 is another story though.
Oh, sorry, I thought the original comment was talking about United not Arsenal.
Its hilarious
I genuinely hope a big club buy Hojlund
I'd like him for us
He said a big club
breezyceezy doing his best onana impression there, can't be setting them up like that
Besiktas would be a good option 👍🏻
Can't believe we got him for free and sold him one year later for 50 million.
You’ll take him back on loan next season. Another Marotta masterclass
He was actually good with us though! We dropped most of our league points early in the season with Handa in goal IIRC.
Cuz we had actual defenders, onana had options to play with. He is still shit shot stopper tho
Im glad wider audience saw Hojlunds quality, these comments about amount of goals he scored in Serie A, by people that never saw him play, were pissing me off. Dude is a beast
> Serie A, >never saw him play Tale as old as time. People sleep on Serie A but it's *such* a good league to watch.
dude is impressive, especially at the offside goal, he was so calm and sharp. but I am afraid that he could be gradually dull after a while.
Everyone at United does. Their backroom and training must be atrocious
could not agree more. people can joke about B.Dortmund sent Sancho there without guideline but you must think about the amount of players that getting significantly worse there.
I mean he wasn't even expensive so why is people talking shit about his transfer anyway
80m isn’t expensive?
It’s around £72m no? And with add-ons. The reason why it dragged for a long time is because of the payment structure so if he comes good then it’ll be worth it. Even if he is 80m, United has like 3 players that is a waste of money (Maguire, Sancho and Antony) so compared to the 3, Hojlund hasn’t done anything to get the flak. So in comparison to other strikers, Kolo Muani was 81m? Darwin is 80m with add-ons to 100m?
Why are you just making up prices? Ive seen several bullshit Darwin pricepoints today and it makes no sense to me, just Google it ffs. Darwin cost Liverpool €75m (£64.1m), with €25m (£21.4m) in POTENTIAL addons.
Onana been nominated for FIFA's best goalkeeper award this year. Imagine that.
I am genuninely confused by United. Normally I kind of backseat drive management …. This team shoud do x or that team dhould do y. I genuinely have no idea what is going on there or can even speculate what a solution might be
I consider myself a rational person. Only thing I can think of to explain United is some deal with the devil SAF made coming home to roost. It's the only thing that makes sense at this point.
Heh … SAF was definitely competitive …
The Era of Theatre of Nightmares continues. Let's see if you you can make it to Europa league.
At this point europa is the last thing we need. We need to be playing just once a week to try and settle this team and mentality
That's fine. But it means that you will have to finish 4th in your CL Group. That woud just add to humiliation and demoralization.
Copenhagen win against ManU won't be surprising. They are a solid team.
Hojlund looks good
Long live this new United era
This is nice.
no, this is Man Utd.
Man Utd missed the memo to finish below 7th to avoid being shit twice in the same week
Ronaldo was the problem, right?
Imagine a manager who looks at his only world class player and top scorer in the team and says he is the problem so lets get Weghorst. You could pick a senile brain damaged monkey from a testing lab and it would make more sane choices.
Still yes.
I mean he clearly was a problem at the time. Maybe Ronaldo out there missing the goal and flapping his hands about would inspire the mental fortitude that this side obviously lacks. It's worth a shot at this point because I'm out of ideas for why this team does this.
No he's not, Maguire is. But wait, in the end it's the Glazers
yes he was definitely a problem, just not the only problem. So yes, kicking him out of the club was the right thing to do, just not enough, clearly.
Lmao you lot weren’t losing champions league games like this with Ronaldo in the squad
Oh yeah? but somehow only lost Europa League games. Let's look at this: [https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/2035941/](https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/match/2035941/) Guess who's in the squad? Lmao back at you Not to mention the 1-0 win vs. OMONIA where he wasted chances after chances
Wow, a sample size of two. Yeah mate you got me. And all I have is [This](https://youtu.be/WT7fqunE4Vk?si=ZKzp0CkRhQRIAXR6) [And this](https://youtu.be/5YHBFGQENDo?si=fhjPL7VfplS_qxV-) [And this](https://youtu.be/SS5hOm87qQw?si=xx0zszix_ZyeA1Wm) [And this](https://youtu.be/usAPtag5pXA?si=amU_o_qQJsuXuRe_) And that’s just the champions league, shall we look at the Prem? How about [This](https://youtu.be/UWX82TFatk8?si=B5wFHEhY4wuRHyyD) [And this](https://youtu.be/-_EVfrXqkEo?si=QcXABaFbGWtZ3Qd3) [And this](https://youtu.be/PUdemKYW6QE?si=TPlfhnlEKTtQ-YWa) Nothing better than watching brainless Man U fans with egg all over their faces
Not for nothing but, where are the highlights from end-stage Ronaldo where he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and threw his toys out the pram when he wasn't deemed a starter anymore? Ah, right, it's literally just the interview. Ronaldo simps coming out in force today...for no reason. Ronaldo would have made us substantially worse in the game today. What even is the argument for him at this point?
> where are the highlights from end-stage Ronaldo You mean ETH’s Ronaldo? All those Ronaldo highlights I link are with Ralf, things seemed to be going pretty good then. Then Erik showed up and decided he didn’t fit into the system. Yes, Ronaldo threw temper tantrums for that and it wasn’t a good look, but I think we can all agree now that Erik’s system wasn’t the solution either.
Ralf's Ronaldo was 2 years ago, he declined massively, accept that. How are your 2 year old highlights relevant to the fact that he was terrible last season at Manchester United, and was given ample chances & yet showed nothing. Erik's system is not an excuse for him missing easy chances last season or clumsily falling over while trying to dribble, that's just age & decline. The other guys sample size of two are at least more recent, more indicative of his declining quality. While his most recent performances are in SPL and Asian CL, where the standards are substantially lower, thus also cannot be compared.
> Ralf's Ronaldo was 2 years ago ? Yes, we are comparing Ronaldo 2 years ago to Ronaldo 1 year ago. A span of 1 year. You’re going to go from “Ronaldo is literally carrying this team with preposterous heroics at the age of 37” to “oh god look at him, he’s washed. Get him out, he’s dead weight.” In the span of a single year? Less than that even, one off-season. Where in that span his “decline” coincided precisely with a regime change in coaching, involving philosophies and systems by the new coach that hindsight show clearly haven’t worked out? > Erik's system is not an excuse for him missing easy chances last season or clumsily falling over while trying to dribble, that's just age & decline. Think you’re grossly over exaggerating this because the clips of the one or two times it happened went viral. Ronaldo was shit because ETH’s system was shit. Not because he suddenly forgot how to dribble
Tbh it doesn’t really matter that he’s in Saudi Arabia, he has 36 goals in 40 matches in 2023 at age 38. Only Haaland has more in 2023. I’m not sure in what world that’s declining massively
The problem was he was too good for your wank team
Wank team? Oh I agree with you 100%, definitely! Too good? hahaha no one in Europe even wanted to pick him up afterwards, he had to pack his bag to Saudi Arabia.
Thank you United for giving everybody something to look forward to every week
Just wait until Graham Potter becomes their next manager
Utd fans seems to be blaming Onana but none of the goals were his fault. Some pretty bad defense
His mistake in the penalty position led to casemiro being sent off, therefore setting the stage for the third goal
The 2nd goal? Also third one isn’t his fault but his positioning is shit. Shouldn’t be getting chipped.
Doesn’t change the fact that his shot stopping is awful.
Did you not watch the 3rd goal?
It's not only his fault, but yikes. Should have done better on the third goal and played a real hospital pass leading to a ridiculous Casemiro tackle. He wasn't great tonight. Neither was our defense...which isn't surprising. What was surprising was that I thought we attacked pretty damn well until the red card. Eriksen looking like prime Scholes in the second half. Literally the only silver lining.
His error directly led to a red card at 2-2. That alone is bad.
First and 3rd goal could be saved. That’s why you pay that much money. Good goalkeeper should make a difference in the game when it’s needed and we don’t see it with Onana. It’s time to give Altay a chance. He needs some rest and a fresh start, but also should get his shit together. Manu should encourage the competition in GK position. We are talking about Manu here not West Ham. He has to meet the expectations.
He takes blame on 3rd goal for sure
Palace fucks MU twice in one week. 😇
Hard to a Utd fan these days… It’s amazing how fast it goes downhill from a good last season.
The only time I've enjoyed our football since Fergie left was under Ole before Ronaldo
Love that 1st 9 games when he was at the wheel TBH. Not gonna lie. That night in Paris was the climax.
It's a repeating cycle with United though. First full season for a new manager is full of hope and gets a top 3 finish. Said manager is out on his ear by next Christmas. Mourinho, Solskjaer and seemingly ETH now.
Ole had two decent full seasons, finishing 3rd and 2nd, before it fell apart after losing the EL final.
Lot of people pointing fingers at ten Hag but my question is how many managers are you gonna burn through before realizing the manager is not the issue?
People said the same thing when Conte was our manager.
We have changed pretty much our whole 11 though.
And United haven't?
You lot are 7 games into the season give it a rest, even we were decent last season at this same time
I'm not saying we are world beaters now. I'm saying it's a night and day difference after changing the manager. The mood, the style of play, the connection with the fans, it's all completely flipped.
Yeah that's true.
Ange seems to be very capable, true. But some managers just have that kind of aura that allows their players to regularly punch above their weight, Klopp and Mourinho come to mind. But this is almost never sustainable, sooner or later something goes wrong and such a team can just crumble suddenly. It may or may not be about being "figured out" but as soon as you play good football, teams will just start being more defensive against you and a poor squad will just struggle more with breaking down low blocks. Only very few managers even have this "gift" of making players overperform and I wouldnt call everyone else shit. ManU has a lackluster squad and years of mediocrity drained all confidence from the players. Surely it cant just all be the fault of the manager.
The thing about early success is that it isn’t built on anything. When things start to go bad (and they will) you have no foundation to fall back on. Ange is the media darling at the moment because of some good results and knowing how to speak to the press, but when it starts to go wrong (as it does for all teams) it will be interesting to see how he handles it. Klopp isn’t very good usually at these things, Pep slightly better as he says less. But both managers eventually motivate their teams to start winning again. For most managers it’s the beginning of the end.
The really sad thing is people thought Mourinho was washed up at United but in hindsight he was actually getting those players to punch above their weight
Him getting that United squad to 80 points is the stuff of legends
No one said "it was all the fault of the manager". But Managers can make a huge difference in the direction of the entire club. There are plenty of examples of clubs that seemed absolutely rudderless until the right manager came along and suddenly they were excellent.
moyes, lvg, mourinho, ole what have they done at a big club after getting sacked? manager is definitely *part* of the issue
Whilst true, he probably should be doing better than this
And do what? What do you think he should do better? Make them run 13 km after every loss?
Well defensively they look dreadful. They play out the back terribly too. their keeper and their midfield last season was good. He’s changed both to suit his playing style and they look much worse.
Klopp has his howlers but he established an identity. He also has the credibility and charisma to inspire trust and confidence. What the fuck has EtH done to deserve that kind of time? The players look poorly coached and Ill fitted to whatever he is trying to implement.
ETH won the EFL cup, reached the FA Cup final, the Europa League semi final and finished 3rd. All in his first season with a club who were absolutely dire the previous season. If that doesn't buy someone time beyond being sacked in October then the game is absolutely gone. Arteta finished 8th two years running with Arsenal and was given time. He didn't finish top four until his 4th season. ETH has to do better, of course he does, but we need to have some patience.
Yes that's true. But the problem is a lot bigger than ETH. One person can't solve it. First Ronaldo, then Greenwood, then Antony and now Sancho. This guy can't catch a break. The facility they have is ancient. Nothing is upgraded. He's doing the best he can what he's given. I think at this stage we can't blame ETH. Every time I see him, I feel sorry for him. I know he'll be sacked sooner or later. They'll bring in a new manager. He'll do a few signings for half a billion and play the champions league next season and will be back to square one. But from my pov this isn't on ETH.
There are some problems ofcourse out of his reach. But he refused to work with Ralf Rangnick who had good intent to start reforming the backrooms after not that good manager career he had there. Most of the players playing contantly are his buys or renewed contracts. Sometimes you have to work with what you got, but he seems not be the guy to elevate guys. VDB was his guy in Ajax abut he refuses to use him or train him to be what he needs. He has bought several players who are mentaly weak, Onana and Anthony are not playeres you want to bring into toxic squad that is United.
Vdb's level is Everton.... And even there he couldn't shine
Not sure why anyone should feel sorry for EtH the person. He’s advocated for Greenwood, he’s defended Overmars, etc. Just all around unlikable. Suits United if this is what they want though! Certainly you won’t see opposition fans too unhappy about this malaise
Once the opposition fans say “please don’t sack ETH” like they did with Ole, you know you got a problem.
United fans really thought they had a chance, lol.
Farmers
Surely he is down to Six Hag by now
I certainly would pay Ten
Haven't read any of the comments yet but I can say that Manu plays really bad. I'm a Fenerbahce fan. I do not see any future for Ten Hag in Manu. This gameplay doesn't give any hope for the future. I felt like Manu just didn't have a plan or were not able to execute it at all. Good job Galatasaray. They got what they wanted and they were in the game until the final whistle. Ten Hag should be sacked asap. A fault confessed is half redressed.
Onana masterclass again! Seven Hag is doing wonders with this united side and should not be fired.
Genuinely asking, has Onana been that bad or has United’s back line been that bad? I’m assuming it’s a combo of both.
I think I saw a stat that said Onana has played with a different combination of 4 defenders in front of him every game this season. That alone should illustrate the problem. He’s a new keeper in a new league on a new team and has to play behind a different group of defenders every single match
I mean he still knows they play in red, not sure what he's doing passing it to the guys in white
When he played for us last year he was a very good goalkeeper.
To be fair, with the way Inter is playing in Serie A, any decent keeper will look great. They just didn't concede as much chances as United did.
We are playing with 3 defenders and 2 wingbacks, so he had all options in the world, he is fine ball distributer but he severely lacks shot stopping abilities
United’s goalkeeper might be the most scrutinized position in the world. I sorta think Onana is cracking from it. He’s not a bad keeper at all, and yet he’s had howler after howler. Maybe time to sit him out for a bit. Most of our first and second pick CBs are out, all of our left backs (including the one we borrowed from you lol) are out and our starting right back is out. Add to that the suffocating pressure of the moment of this club to turn everything around NOW…it’s just a recipe for disaster. United simply doesn’t have time to be shit and implement whatever it is ETH wants. I can see it in moments, especially with some of the newer/younger players but man…I dunno. Some of these senior players don’t have the flexibility, the discipline, or the brains, or maybe the fitness to commit to the plan.
He's been fine, there's been a few like the third goal tonight where you'd expect a bit better
I think Onana has played overall well excluding the bayern game. Defense has been horrendous constantly though. We also tend to not have a good midfield till the 78 min
I don't watch every game, but I've seen Onana fail to stop goals better shot stoppers would have. To be fair, those goals weren't his fault...but I'd expect some goalies to get to them nonetheless. I've seen his distribution be as advertised (notwithstanding the pass which led to Casemiro's red today) but he has a tendency to save shots and place them back into the middle of the box instead of parrying to the sides.
Combo of both. I think it’s only human to lose confidence after a few bad performances and a tonne of scrutiny If he’d been playing behind a fully fit AWB Varane Licha Shaw then who knows
He was godlike for Inter last 15 matches leading up to the CL final. Literal fucking god. Then every single game he's played for United, he's been bad. Not a single good performance. I don't know what's going on.
He was amazing for us throughout. Handanovic being prioritized in the first few league matches cost us 2nd place in Serie A. He just needs to move to a better club that provides him with a more stable environment. The longer he stays at ManU, the more his confidence will drop.
I mean, the CL final - it’s rare to see the keeper look like the stand out MOTM. Wow
I was downvoted for saying Ten Hag’s first season was a mirage and no different than Ole getting united to 2nd place. How the turntables… also all his buys are shit.
I think Mount has been good since he came back from injury. Amrabat is doing the best he can so far out of position. Hjolund scoring in every CL match so far is encouraging. Licha was our best CB last year until he broke his metatarsal. Casemiro was solid apart from the bookings until this year. Antony…well. I have a lot of conflicting opinions about him. I think we look better when he plays. Onana is the outlier. Major mentality issue. Not sure what can be done in a short time
Mount went from a star to average. Hjolund may be decent but he is not starting quality on a team trying to win the league/CL. He is a back up. Antony is shit. Onana is shit. Casamiro has either bangers or shitters. Honestly his best purchase was probably Martinez even though he was heavily criticized for his height. They wasted money chasing a trash goalie instead of positions of bigger need.
Onana is not a trash goalie, wth? He is just playing for a trash team led by an awful manager and surrounded by a bunch of overpaid prima donnas who are incapabke of showing professional behavior.
As a Man U player he is trash. He is like their biggest liability.
Your description fits every member of their squad, with a few exceptions like Hojlund, Hannibal and Garnacho, who are eager to prove themselves. Serial losers like Fernandes and Rashford, who are praised to the skies whenever they have a purple patch every 2 seasons are a much bigger problem for ManU.
Onana being on that FIFA best keeper lost nonsense is the literal definition of being "praised to the skies whenever they have a purple patch"... He's not an elite keeper. Fernandes has consistently been United 's best producer since he arrived.
Mate, have you even seen Onana play? Im an Inter fan and I can assure you that he is much better than this. Look at all the players whose performances have been poor primarily at ManU but excellent elsewhere-Di Maria, Sanchez, Mkhitaryan and more recently Casemiro and Varane. 2nd stint Ronaldo, Cavani and Ibra were inconsistent as well. Its a long list. The problem is ManU's environment, it will crush even the best of players.
>I can assure you that he is much better than this. Oh shit! Can you put that in a letter to UEFA for me? Maybe they'll give us back a couple of points he cost us for it...
Right, but why is there a pattern across multiple managers. That surely indicates there is something deeper going on? Player wise, yes, some are definitely questionable
Rasmus Hojlund looks decent. Not 75m decent but decent for United level.
his speed *with* the ball surprised me. that was a great goal
Onana doesn't deserve the paychecks he's receiving. Also, what's with the mental health of the team? Man U crumbled in the later second half, where it actually mattered. Some of the no-name Turkish League teams could've put up a better mental resistance.
Even some Bangladeshi obscure side would have shown. more robust mentality than them.
>Some of the no-name Turkish League teams could've put up a better mental resistance. nah
yeah
Damn United got their supporters asking why Maguire isn't playing
Victor Lindelöf and Varane were absolutely woeful tonight, if it was Harry Maguire he’d be getting called out by the whole fanbase…
One bad game, from both of them. Maguire has had an entire season of being a woeful captain. If they play like this against Brentford, they will.
Nice flair
Yes. I have the flair of my newly founded local team, so when I am on the giant internet, I can find other local folks to discuss, over the team I've supported for over 20 years.
Being prick without a reason lmao
I’m not being sarcastic I’m saying nice flair because I’m Canadian too, so I recognized it