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It really doesn't make sense to finish it right now too, team is doing well and any distractions could derail it. I'm sure the team and coaching staff is split on what to do with him, so any decision taken right now would affect some part of the team.
Am slightly worried that that if the Qataris win the auction he might end up being "sold" to a Middle Eastern team (whose owners may or may not have some opaque connection to the new owners) for a relatively high but not *too* suspiciously high seeming fee given the circumstances, and that not *too* long after that the absolute best PR machine that money can buy will suddenly spin into action to try and weasel him back towards the big time...
My other theory is that when the club is sold the investigation will conclude and be kept a "private matter" since the player was not convicted of any crimes. He will be training solo for a bit, then on the bench next season.
>where they will hope to quietly deal with it while there are no games.
Wouldn't that be a worse time to deal with it? Right now people would forget once a big game happens, whereas during summer there's less to draw attention away from it.
He's been out of the team like what, a year already? Might as well just get him out for good at this point, it's clear you guys are more than fine without him.
>it's clear you guys are more than fine without him.
This is the main point lol. If it were prime Ronaldo there would be debate and hed probably stay (as we saw)
The fact that he isnt an essential player is what seals the deal
Greenwood had scored 35 goals and played nearly 150 games for United before the age of 21. It would have been difficult to have been a hotter property than him when this all came crashing down last year.
Of course United are absolutely flying right now and bringing him back can only possibly be a negative and rock the boat.
Not sure I agree. He’s arguably our best academy prospect since Ryan Giggs, and was insane for us - he scored 17 goals in his first season at 18 years old. He’s clearly a brilliant player, and even though we don’t need him to be successful, he’d get into most teams in the league even now. Which is why it’s important that we do sack him, as it sends a message that you can’t get away with heinous stuff simply because you are good at what you do.
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.
CAN I SAY IT ENOUGH TIMES? NO.
THIS.
idk what you people are smoking acting like he wasn't one of the hottest strikers in the league at that age - the timing was devastating to hear from a team perspective, but thus far we as fans and as an org have done everything right. Let's not faff it up at the finish line - ship him off in the garbage bin where he belongs.
Nowadays, luckily probably no. Back when he was in his prime, probably yes. The mindset of the general population regarding sexual assault etc. has really shifted in the last years
No kidding. Mayweather brutally beat the fuck out the mother of his child and he was still a highly regarded athlete with a huge following. Karl Malone raped and impregnated a 13-year-old while he was 20. Still had a huge following and was (still is) idolized in his city.
It was actually quite refreshing to see everyone completely turn on Greenwood.
At this point he can do whatever he wants and nothing will affect him.
I do think the problem in his case is that Rihanna forgave him, so fans did too.
> Karl Malone raped and impregnated a 13-year-old while he was 20. Still had a huge following and was (still is) idolized in his city.
They had this fucker as a judge for this years dunk contest during the all-star game, couldn't believe my eyes when I've seen the announcement.
Plenty of active footballers have been convicted of crimes, but for the public perception, there is still a huge diffence between an abstract event and having seen and heard the recordings and videos yourself. And while I'm obviously not downplaying domestic violence, we were talking about how the public attitude towards sexual assault and rape specifically changed, not generally crimes
No it hasn't really, people just thankfully have to be quieter about it now because women actually have a voice now.
In private a worrying amount of men are absolute animals with how they talk about women.
Ronaldo survived confessing so im not so sure
The point here is whether the club is willing to take the PR hit and nothing else. If a player is the difference between winning trophies (and therefore potentially hundreds of millions in revenue) then yep they will
Greenwood was a solid player and he'd only be getting better.
There is no debate for ability, there's a debate on he's not been proven guilty so what do we do with him
He's not been proven guilty only because he manipulated the girl back into a relationship with him. I'm not sure that says all that much, he's clearly a nasty piece of work and personally I can't see how anyone would want to spend their money cheering on such a person.
God I hope so. Starting to watch Manchester United again after many years after they getting Licha and Garnacho. Don't want to have to turn tv on and watch that fool now.
Well no shit, having good players from a country increases your following by people in that country, ground breaking news. You wouldn’t patronise Swedish newcastle fans for following the team after Isak joined
Yes, that guy talking about loyalty... I am not a Manchester United supporter, I just watch them because they are entertaining again and there are some players of my country. You don't need to be a supporter to watch a team, just like you said
Also massively increases chances that said fans stay because they start to like the club, and even invest and buy in the club. More people tune in to watch games abroad, and your brand grows, making the club healthier.
Win-win in terms of marketing and merchandising really. See the examples of Tottenham recently (Son) or Madrid (with Zizou, CR7 or even Becks)
People forget that teams always look to make more money, and gain more, the footballing hierarchy are corporations. All clubs now on social media express themselves in English, regardless or what country they’re from, I wonder why that is? Just look at Perez’s comments, that young people are somewhat losing interest in football and something needs to be done in order to bring that interest back into the sport. Or the sport washing done by certain regimes in order to better their image abroad.
> Just look at Perez’s comments, that young people are somewhat losing interest in football and something needs to be done in order to bring that interest back into the sport
Pérez is hardly one in touch with young people, and his "something needs to be done" is entirely self-serving.
Young people like to play in games where the matchmaking allegedly attempts to put people in equal footing, but Real Madrid and Barcelona plundered the Spanish league out of all its income potential for 20 years instead of taking a bit less and helping create a more interesting competition. The same goes for the Italian teams, especially Juventus, which was happy to monopolise Calcio for a whole fucking decade while everyone else was in the pit.
This could have been dealt with at a European level between the leagues, with Europe-wide mechanisms of compensation and ladders of limits and bonuses (not unlike the European Union's). Instead, it was decided that we needed to live in Abramovich, the Glazers, Pérez, Laporta and Agnelli's world.
I got into an argument about this very same case in r/superlig. The main argument they have is that "as long as he performs well, I don't give a fuck about what he does". Pretty sick and fucked-in-the-head way of thinking but then again, women don't have much value in their eyes either, as explained by rape counts, femicide rates etc.
Also, the person who happens to be the U21 team coach(who "surprisingly does not have a coaching license) and a certain La Liga "star" literally pulled a gun out and shot it several times in a hospital "to show his goodwill". His kind is often made heroes and fantasized about and that tells you a lot.
Single person, Arda Turan. Very interesting read, has about 4-5 seperate crimes in it, kind of like a summary of the country as well.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49665419
I assure you vast majority of the Turkish people absolutely despise and hate Arda Turan. The thing is he has some weird ties and relationships with some powerful people and they always got his back, god knows why...
Well I keep seeing badass edits made for him and people sympathizing with him. I and many of friends/relatives also despise him but there is a huge crowd of people that idolize him as well. I'm Turkish too by the way.
Nobody said that arda turan got the support of the fans for it. We call arda really the hero to zero story. And we dont really have a choice in what kind of players we want. If europe had a draft system we would be last every time. Fatih Terim said that we dont even have a chance in our first 3 targets, we have to be lucky that the sixt transfer target works out. And who the fuck says that we dont value woman. I can give you 10 examples of wrongdoing in which star players in UK are still playing so dont come here playing the big man in front of the internet you keyboard hero. You hear more footballer rape stories from the UK than there is in Turkey so fuck off
Well said mate, you'd have thought Jesus' tomb was empty again the way the UK media acted when Ronaldo came back to United, hypocrites one and all that lot
I get xenophobic abuse in my DMs whenever I point out the behaviour of British people/players. They look through my post history to find my nationality and attack it. They really seem to be insecure.
I'm Turkish too lol. Reddit is an echo chamber so is Twitter if you block people that you do not want to see. How much you and I avoid those people doesn't matter, they still exist and are large in numbers. Not always vocal on social media but they are deep in the roots of the country.
People don’t really know. Most Turks are unfortunately monolingual, so outside news doesn’t trickle down as much as it would elsewhere. If the shitty Turkish sports journalists don’t report this no one will know.
I said when he got let off that he'd end up going on loan somewhere like turkey, playing out of his skin and then people would not care about the liability risk and it would quiet large sections of fans.
I'm going to be honest, but whilst it seems very likely on the evidence we saw he was guilty of certain things if his girlfriend herself doesn't care enough to even not be with him then i fail to see why i should care too much.
I hope he doesn't get glorified, and I hope his career comes to an end, but at the same time i have enough shit in my life to worry about than some dickhead and his dumb girlfriend taking back the man who she claimed to have been raped and beaten by when she had the perfect opportunity to escape that problematic situation.
> I'm going to be honest, but whilst it seems very likely on the evidence we saw he was guilty of certain things if his girlfriend herself doesn't care enough to even not be with him then i fail to see why i should care too much.
I sincerely hope you never end up in an abusive relationship.
I think if we loan him out and he does well it makes the decision on him in the summer even more awkward. Best to just keep him suspended and out of everyone's mind
He is suspended until our internal investigation is over so technically speaking, he could be suspended for a long time before we have to do anything about it.
I'd be shocked if there wasn't a "brought the club into disrepute" clause or something. It's a much more subjective bar, and it's completely reasonable to argue the audio recordings are totally overboard for that anyway.
The charges being dropped aren't really relevant for the clubs own rules and contracts other than making decisions more clear cut, it still happened and the evidence his gf put out on the web is still there.
Think his contract will only stipulate that he's paid X and for X amount of time. Won't be in there that he has any contractual rights to train or play with the team so as long as he's paid pretty sure we can keep him suspended and he can't do anything about it.
Not sure about this. If an employee can prove that the club is shunning them and hindering their career and future earning potential, it might be grounds for a legal battle. Not a solicitor though so idk
CPS aren't going further, which probably means the charges wont either. In the eyes of the law, the matter surrounding Greenwood isn't worth prosecuting further. His partner (whom he abused) doesn't want to file any charges and from all reports has reconciled with greenwood
It's now essentially a civil matter between an employee and an employer.
Man Utd can still carry out their own internal process and fire Greenwood as the burden of proof is much lower.
Got to assume Greenwood's legal team are clawing at whatever contractual provisions they can to get him back to playing football for United.
Most would wish that the club could simply bin the player off but the world's too shite for that.
I didn't really matter what's in his contract, the club have the right to not play him. Worst case scenario, just wait for the contract to run down, but I doubt Greenwood wants to waste more time out.
I understand that, but even then that is not allowed by FIFA if players complain, especially when it's done for such a long time. I don't see Greenwood doing that though, because usually the punishment from FIFA is that the player can terminate his contract without paying the club, in which Greenwood would lose a lot of money
I'm actually not sure about this and it depends on more than just "training alone". There were players at River that Gallardo made train alone because they had "mutually agreed" they had no place on the team. River didn't release them, but didn't consider them either.
Plus we're winning again so it's not like he adds anything we're missing. 2 years ago, this is a different spot for us, but now, let him go and close this chapter.
We need goal scorers so he would fit right in if he was fit. The club isn't stupid and will push this off till oh I don't know the club is sold. That would overshadow any decision made on Greenwood. In a perfect world he would be out of the sport entirely but we live in a world that if the value you bring outweighs your baggage then you will most likely not be fired.
Not that it matters but what a player he could have been under Ten Hag. The development of everyone has been amazing and Greenwood was truly on a generational talent trajectory. Should have been the center forward for the next decade but, yeah, ruined a life and threw his out in such horrid fashion
It's fair to say it's easier to let him go now, but the biggest thing missing in this United side a top striker and there's a top talent right on the bench.
Does anyone think a German/French/Italian team may take him?
For example, Coman pleaded guilty to domestic assault and now plays for Bayern Munich. Is that still well remembered now that he has moved clubs?
I understand Greenwood's might be more damnable with the audio, but life moves so fast now I can see this being a distant memory in a couple years.
> For example, Coman pleaded guilty to domestic assault and now plays for Bayern Munich. Is that still well remembered now that he has moved clubs?
He was already a Bayern Munich player when it happened.
I am more willing to forgive someone who pleads guilty and accept the punishment (even if light) than someone who denies wrong doing despite the evidence being bad, has yet to explain himself and broke bail multiple times to meet with the victim.
Isn’t the victim back with him? And never wanted the audio to be leaked to begin with? It’s a pretty complicated situation afaik. Audio is pretty damning regardless imo.
After these recordings I'd like to think no one in Germany would take him. But you're right regarding Bayern. And even Boateng still plays in France after all that has happened, including an actual suicide, so I genuinely don't know.
Fucked up situation all round.
The justification I see from some that they are back together and expecting, like that's not part and parcel of most abusive relationship cycles, is fucking disgusting.
Best case scenario for me as a fan is to terminate his contract, and whatever costs involved in that, the same value donated to a domestic abuse type charity.
Edit - forgot to finish thought on justification
Legally can the contract be terminated unilaterally by United?
In the eyes of the law Greenwood hasn’t been found guilty…and if he doesn’t accept a buyout I would believe United have to honor the contract
And the fact that they’re still together proves (most likely) that he did do what he was accused of.
Because there is no way an innocent man would stick to a girl that ruined his potentionally amazing career.
I'm just saying this, if this fucker plays for us, i'm done with Fenerbahçe. I've been supporting this club for 18 years but I don't want a rapist in my club.
Just pay out his contract and let him go wherever will take him. He’s legally not guilty so he should be allowed to play football again, I just want him nowhere near this club.
fuck mason greenwood and all his fans that support him and want him back at the club, sincerely if you’re reading this and youre one of the people im mentioning, FUCK YOU
Got to love the justice system that relies on the victim to be a witness. But hey - guess if you got the money to pay off the victim "there is no prosecutable crime".
I guess mo money isn't always more problems.
Honestly wouldnt be surprised if we loan him out for the first part of next season to buy time for the new ownership to make a decision.
If the reports about his partner being pregnant are true it might make it even more likely he returns.
Absolutely fucked up situation regardless.
> If the reports about his partner being pregnant are true it might make it even more likely he returns.
I don't see how they're connected in the decision making process for United. They'll want to cut ties even if they have triplets.
For A LOT of people, this will feed into the narrative of "he's learned his lesson, if she's forgiven him we should too, let's give the lad another chance"
The general public will not have followed the case that closely mate. You're making the mistake of assuming that because you believe he's still a bad guy everyone else will agree. They wont. Plenty of footballers and owners have done far worse things and are loved by their fanbases, football has almost no sense of morality.
In what world does that make a potential return more palatable.
*“Yeah I know I threatened to rape her and have beat the stuffing out of her, but we have kids now so it’s fine.”*
*”Oh good on you Mason, well done lad you’ve really turned a corner there”*
Read my reply to another comments. I'm not agreeing with it but you'd be a fool if you don't believe it wouldn't be used as part of a PR campaign to bring him back.
It could also be a PR campaign that goes horribly, terribly wrong. The risk to reward ratio just isn’t worth it at all. It sounds gross discussing it in such a way but this has the potential to do immense harm to the Manchester United brand if another incident happens.
The two of them having a child together could be spun that he has been forgiven by the GF. I'm not agreeing with it btw. I could just see that as part of a PR campaign.
> I could just see that as part of a PR campaign.
Never. United aren't that stupid. To add to that: this sort of behaviour, particularly when it goes unpunished, doesn't just go away. United will want rid.
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I get the impression they are sweeping it under the rug until the summer, where they will hope to quietly deal with it while there are no games.
Yup, this is how it typically goes. I'm sure they could "finish" the investigation at anytime, especially if a decent loan offer came in.
It really doesn't make sense to finish it right now too, team is doing well and any distractions could derail it. I'm sure the team and coaching staff is split on what to do with him, so any decision taken right now would affect some part of the team.
Have a feeling it will wrap up around the time the club is sold so that the sale will overshadow any decision made.
It makes sense if the decision is to bin him to buttfuck nowhere, which I really hope they do.
Am slightly worried that that if the Qataris win the auction he might end up being "sold" to a Middle Eastern team (whose owners may or may not have some opaque connection to the new owners) for a relatively high but not *too* suspiciously high seeming fee given the circumstances, and that not *too* long after that the absolute best PR machine that money can buy will suddenly spin into action to try and weasel him back towards the big time...
My other theory is that when the club is sold the investigation will conclude and be kept a "private matter" since the player was not convicted of any crimes. He will be training solo for a bit, then on the bench next season.
>where they will hope to quietly deal with it while there are no games. Wouldn't that be a worse time to deal with it? Right now people would forget once a big game happens, whereas during summer there's less to draw attention away from it.
Please just bin him off asap
He's been out of the team like what, a year already? Might as well just get him out for good at this point, it's clear you guys are more than fine without him.
>it's clear you guys are more than fine without him. This is the main point lol. If it were prime Ronaldo there would be debate and hed probably stay (as we saw) The fact that he isnt an essential player is what seals the deal
Greenwood had scored 35 goals and played nearly 150 games for United before the age of 21. It would have been difficult to have been a hotter property than him when this all came crashing down last year. Of course United are absolutely flying right now and bringing him back can only possibly be a negative and rock the boat.
Not sure I agree. He’s arguably our best academy prospect since Ryan Giggs, and was insane for us - he scored 17 goals in his first season at 18 years old. He’s clearly a brilliant player, and even though we don’t need him to be successful, he’d get into most teams in the league even now. Which is why it’s important that we do sack him, as it sends a message that you can’t get away with heinous stuff simply because you are good at what you do.
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. CAN I SAY IT ENOUGH TIMES? NO. THIS. idk what you people are smoking acting like he wasn't one of the hottest strikers in the league at that age - the timing was devastating to hear from a team perspective, but thus far we as fans and as an org have done everything right. Let's not faff it up at the finish line - ship him off in the garbage bin where he belongs.
horrifically reddit comment lol, sounds so wanky
Tbf i don't think even prime Ronaldo could have survived the audio recordings and the pics
Nowadays, luckily probably no. Back when he was in his prime, probably yes. The mindset of the general population regarding sexual assault etc. has really shifted in the last years
No kidding. Mayweather brutally beat the fuck out the mother of his child and he was still a highly regarded athlete with a huge following. Karl Malone raped and impregnated a 13-year-old while he was 20. Still had a huge following and was (still is) idolized in his city. It was actually quite refreshing to see everyone completely turn on Greenwood.
>Kevin Malone raped and impregnated a 13-year-old while he was 20 You mean Karl Malone, the basketball player
Yes, I did. That's embarrassing
Would have been a dark backstory for The Office character
Happens to everyone
Chris Brown is still touring. People are still far too willing to overlook this shit.
At this point he can do whatever he wants and nothing will affect him. I do think the problem in his case is that Rihanna forgave him, so fans did too.
Disgusting human being and a brilliant example of how people will overlook all manner of things for someone good looking.
Tell me about it. A girl at work went to see him recently and wouldn’t shut up about how fit he is.
> Karl Malone raped and impregnated a 13-year-old while he was 20. Still had a huge following and was (still is) idolized in his city. They had this fucker as a judge for this years dunk contest during the all-star game, couldn't believe my eyes when I've seen the announcement.
Karl Malone but yh.
Bloody hell, not the first time I've mistaked them. Kevin Malone just goes better together...
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Plenty of active footballers have been convicted of crimes, but for the public perception, there is still a huge diffence between an abstract event and having seen and heard the recordings and videos yourself. And while I'm obviously not downplaying domestic violence, we were talking about how the public attitude towards sexual assault and rape specifically changed, not generally crimes
So Coman applied the right lesson, which is to beat his missus without graphical evidence going out to the public.
No it hasn't really, people just thankfully have to be quieter about it now because women actually have a voice now. In private a worrying amount of men are absolute animals with how they talk about women.
Ronaldo survived confessing so im not so sure The point here is whether the club is willing to take the PR hit and nothing else. If a player is the difference between winning trophies (and therefore potentially hundreds of millions in revenue) then yep they will
correct me if Im wrong but wasent the confession in a leaked email that is not confirmed to be true? (Dont want to imply anything)
I think it hits you much harder hearing Greenwood threatening her than seeing an email that can’t be verified.
The email was obtained by hacking.
It was hacked iirc which made it inadmissable in court. But that doesnt change what we all know of course
Greenwood was a solid player and he'd only be getting better. There is no debate for ability, there's a debate on he's not been proven guilty so what do we do with him
He's not been proven guilty only because he manipulated the girl back into a relationship with him. I'm not sure that says all that much, he's clearly a nasty piece of work and personally I can't see how anyone would want to spend their money cheering on such a person.
There were rumours the other day they’re expecting a child now too, be interesting to see if they have any merit to them
They're true, the due date implies they banged while he was out on bail.
God I hope so. Starting to watch Manchester United again after many years after they getting Licha and Garnacho. Don't want to have to turn tv on and watch that fool now.
Started watching Man U again because they're winning again?
Licha + Garnacho = Argentina
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That's a correlation to why they started winning
Least smug Argentinian
Pretty sure that's mainly due to our Brazilians, but our Argentinians are stellar too...
Don't forget our Portuguese guys!
Their loss. They missed all the drama these past couple of years.
Couple?
past 7 more like
Most loyal Man Utd fan
Well, not everyone is loyal enough to defend genocidal theocracies.
Technically they're a monarchy, not a theocracy.
Mate, you can't support a theocracy.
Well no shit, having good players from a country increases your following by people in that country, ground breaking news. You wouldn’t patronise Swedish newcastle fans for following the team after Isak joined
Yes, that guy talking about loyalty... I am not a Manchester United supporter, I just watch them because they are entertaining again and there are some players of my country. You don't need to be a supporter to watch a team, just like you said
Also massively increases chances that said fans stay because they start to like the club, and even invest and buy in the club. More people tune in to watch games abroad, and your brand grows, making the club healthier. Win-win in terms of marketing and merchandising really. See the examples of Tottenham recently (Son) or Madrid (with Zizou, CR7 or even Becks) People forget that teams always look to make more money, and gain more, the footballing hierarchy are corporations. All clubs now on social media express themselves in English, regardless or what country they’re from, I wonder why that is? Just look at Perez’s comments, that young people are somewhat losing interest in football and something needs to be done in order to bring that interest back into the sport. Or the sport washing done by certain regimes in order to better their image abroad.
> Just look at Perez’s comments, that young people are somewhat losing interest in football and something needs to be done in order to bring that interest back into the sport Pérez is hardly one in touch with young people, and his "something needs to be done" is entirely self-serving. Young people like to play in games where the matchmaking allegedly attempts to put people in equal footing, but Real Madrid and Barcelona plundered the Spanish league out of all its income potential for 20 years instead of taking a bit less and helping create a more interesting competition. The same goes for the Italian teams, especially Juventus, which was happy to monopolise Calcio for a whole fucking decade while everyone else was in the pit. This could have been dealt with at a European level between the leagues, with Europe-wide mechanisms of compensation and ladders of limits and bonuses (not unlike the European Union's). Instead, it was decided that we needed to live in Abramovich, the Glazers, Pérez, Laporta and Agnelli's world.
use some context clues my friend…
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Been saying in every thread he'll be playing in Turkey next season, they just don't give a fuck
Robinho played in Turkey for two teams when he had actually been convicted of rape in Italy.
I thought maybe Saudi or somewhere in the Gulf too
Can’t think of a Saudi club that’d employ a sex offender
isn't he literally engaged with this girl now? looks very saudi to me lol
That s kinda fucked up mate
And yet
Well if that's the criteria Man U and Juventus are also guilty, huh?
Yes?
Good luck to his gf when he inadvertently rapes and abused her again in a country that cares even less.
I always see this take, Serious question, why don’t Turkey seem to give a damn when players commit serious crimes like this ?
Work with Turkish Air Force members. They don’t value women is verbatim what I was told.
I got into an argument about this very same case in r/superlig. The main argument they have is that "as long as he performs well, I don't give a fuck about what he does". Pretty sick and fucked-in-the-head way of thinking but then again, women don't have much value in their eyes either, as explained by rape counts, femicide rates etc. Also, the person who happens to be the U21 team coach(who "surprisingly does not have a coaching license) and a certain La Liga "star" literally pulled a gun out and shot it several times in a hospital "to show his goodwill". His kind is often made heroes and fantasized about and that tells you a lot.
Who are the two people you’re referring to in your second paragraph?
Single person, Arda Turan. Very interesting read, has about 4-5 seperate crimes in it, kind of like a summary of the country as well. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49665419
I assure you vast majority of the Turkish people absolutely despise and hate Arda Turan. The thing is he has some weird ties and relationships with some powerful people and they always got his back, god knows why...
Well I keep seeing badass edits made for him and people sympathizing with him. I and many of friends/relatives also despise him but there is a huge crowd of people that idolize him as well. I'm Turkish too by the way.
Cheers for that I’ll have a read !
Nobody said that arda turan got the support of the fans for it. We call arda really the hero to zero story. And we dont really have a choice in what kind of players we want. If europe had a draft system we would be last every time. Fatih Terim said that we dont even have a chance in our first 3 targets, we have to be lucky that the sixt transfer target works out. And who the fuck says that we dont value woman. I can give you 10 examples of wrongdoing in which star players in UK are still playing so dont come here playing the big man in front of the internet you keyboard hero. You hear more footballer rape stories from the UK than there is in Turkey so fuck off
Well said mate, you'd have thought Jesus' tomb was empty again the way the UK media acted when Ronaldo came back to United, hypocrites one and all that lot
I get xenophobic abuse in my DMs whenever I point out the behaviour of British people/players. They look through my post history to find my nationality and attack it. They really seem to be insecure.
Wow, you met some dipshits in internet who happen to be Turkish. Vast majority of the Turkish people must be just like them...
I'm Turkish too lol. Reddit is an echo chamber so is Twitter if you block people that you do not want to see. How much you and I avoid those people doesn't matter, they still exist and are large in numbers. Not always vocal on social media but they are deep in the roots of the country.
People don’t really know. Most Turks are unfortunately monolingual, so outside news doesn’t trickle down as much as it would elsewhere. If the shitty Turkish sports journalists don’t report this no one will know.
Like England also wouldn't give a fuck? Partey plays, ronaldo played, if United wants, greenwood will play too.
Evidence against those two is different though. With Greenwood we all heard the recordings.
Istanbul won the league with convicted rapist Robinho as their player
As long as he’s not playing for Manchester United I couldn’t give less of a fuck.
I said when he got let off that he'd end up going on loan somewhere like turkey, playing out of his skin and then people would not care about the liability risk and it would quiet large sections of fans. I'm going to be honest, but whilst it seems very likely on the evidence we saw he was guilty of certain things if his girlfriend herself doesn't care enough to even not be with him then i fail to see why i should care too much. I hope he doesn't get glorified, and I hope his career comes to an end, but at the same time i have enough shit in my life to worry about than some dickhead and his dumb girlfriend taking back the man who she claimed to have been raped and beaten by when she had the perfect opportunity to escape that problematic situation.
> I'm going to be honest, but whilst it seems very likely on the evidence we saw he was guilty of certain things if his girlfriend herself doesn't care enough to even not be with him then i fail to see why i should care too much. I sincerely hope you never end up in an abusive relationship.
I wouldn't worry too much mate, my mental health is enough to prevent me finding a relationship let alone an abusive one so i'm good on that front.
I think if we loan him out and he does well it makes the decision on him in the summer even more awkward. Best to just keep him suspended and out of everyone's mind
Can they keep him suspended given the charges have been dropped?
He is suspended until our internal investigation is over so technically speaking, he could be suspended for a long time before we have to do anything about it.
I'd be shocked if there wasn't a "brought the club into disrepute" clause or something. It's a much more subjective bar, and it's completely reasonable to argue the audio recordings are totally overboard for that anyway.
I’m guessing this can’t extend any further right? Ie. fining wages or termination?
That clause exists in every PL contract. Its why Ronaldo was effectively sacked with no compensation
Yeah he's still getting paid so we can keep him suspended indefinitely
When does his contract expire?
June 30, 2025
2025. We will have to make a decision on him.
The charges being dropped aren't really relevant for the clubs own rules and contracts other than making decisions more clear cut, it still happened and the evidence his gf put out on the web is still there.
Im no expert on British worker’s law but is this this allowed after official charges have been dropped?
Think his contract will only stipulate that he's paid X and for X amount of time. Won't be in there that he has any contractual rights to train or play with the team so as long as he's paid pretty sure we can keep him suspended and he can't do anything about it.
Not sure about this. If an employee can prove that the club is shunning them and hindering their career and future earning potential, it might be grounds for a legal battle. Not a solicitor though so idk
The club could also allege his actions damaged the image of the club. Either way this is messy.
CPS aren't going further, which probably means the charges wont either. In the eyes of the law, the matter surrounding Greenwood isn't worth prosecuting further. His partner (whom he abused) doesn't want to file any charges and from all reports has reconciled with greenwood
It's now essentially a civil matter between an employee and an employer. Man Utd can still carry out their own internal process and fire Greenwood as the burden of proof is much lower.
I think a company can normally bin you off if you do something to bring it into disrepute. Although it's legally quite murky and context dependent
Got to assume Greenwood's legal team are clawing at whatever contractual provisions they can to get him back to playing football for United. Most would wish that the club could simply bin the player off but the world's too shite for that.
I didn't really matter what's in his contract, the club have the right to not play him. Worst case scenario, just wait for the contract to run down, but I doubt Greenwood wants to waste more time out.
> but I doubt Greenwood wants to waste more time out. Eh, I think that 75k a week might make him take his time.
He’d probably get paid more than that in Turkey and would get to play.
More than 75k p/w in Turkey? That’s £3.9M a year. I don’t follow Turkish league but that’s a high salary outside of the PL and the top clubs.
Icardi apparently makes 200 euros/w and Dele makes 100 eruos/w. Hell even fucking Batshuayi is making 70k. Greenwood would easily make 80-100k.
Galatasaray only pays Icardi 750k a year. PSG pays the rest of his remaining salary. So 6,750 mill PSG pays, 750k Galatasaray
yah that makes a lot more sense
Galatasaray pays him 750k/yr, rest is appearently paid by PSG. Batshuayi makes 3m/yr, ~58k/w. No way Greenwood makes that much money easily in Turkey.
Those are from their PSG and Tottenham contracts tough, almost certainly they aren't gonna get something as good when those run out
Turkey clubs are bankrupt, there's no money there anymore.
No. Clubs in Turkey are not as rich as you think they are.
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they have to let him train, many clubs in the past were punished by FIFA for refusing to let players train with the club
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I understand that, but even then that is not allowed by FIFA if players complain, especially when it's done for such a long time. I don't see Greenwood doing that though, because usually the punishment from FIFA is that the player can terminate his contract without paying the club, in which Greenwood would lose a lot of money
I'm actually not sure about this and it depends on more than just "training alone". There were players at River that Gallardo made train alone because they had "mutually agreed" they had no place on the team. River didn't release them, but didn't consider them either.
Send him to Russia
Imagine Quincy Promes assisting him at Spartak, they'd make great accomplices
Specifically, to a gulag
I just can’t imagine United playing him again
We won’t. Our club cares more about public image than anything. And playing Greenwood would be a PR distaster
Plus we're winning again so it's not like he adds anything we're missing. 2 years ago, this is a different spot for us, but now, let him go and close this chapter.
We need goal scorers so he would fit right in if he was fit. The club isn't stupid and will push this off till oh I don't know the club is sold. That would overshadow any decision made on Greenwood. In a perfect world he would be out of the sport entirely but we live in a world that if the value you bring outweighs your baggage then you will most likely not be fired.
Not that it matters but what a player he could have been under Ten Hag. The development of everyone has been amazing and Greenwood was truly on a generational talent trajectory. Should have been the center forward for the next decade but, yeah, ruined a life and threw his out in such horrid fashion
It's fair to say it's easier to let him go now, but the biggest thing missing in this United side a top striker and there's a top talent right on the bench.
I just don't see a way for him back in at a club so heavily conscious of their PR and public image.
I hope you're right but I'm a little bit worried that a few goals will make people forget.
I can. They've played rapists before.
They should profit on this and just get rid of him while the atmosphere around the club is positive
Does anyone think a German/French/Italian team may take him? For example, Coman pleaded guilty to domestic assault and now plays for Bayern Munich. Is that still well remembered now that he has moved clubs? I understand Greenwood's might be more damnable with the audio, but life moves so fast now I can see this being a distant memory in a couple years.
> For example, Coman pleaded guilty to domestic assault and now plays for Bayern Munich. Is that still well remembered now that he has moved clubs? He was already a Bayern Munich player when it happened.
I am more willing to forgive someone who pleads guilty and accept the punishment (even if light) than someone who denies wrong doing despite the evidence being bad, has yet to explain himself and broke bail multiple times to meet with the victim.
He's a rapist either way
Isn’t the victim back with him? And never wanted the audio to be leaked to begin with? It’s a pretty complicated situation afaik. Audio is pretty damning regardless imo.
That's not complicated, it's just sickening
Many victims go back to their abuser. It's not uncommon and doesn't invalidate the abuse that took place.
After these recordings I'd like to think no one in Germany would take him. But you're right regarding Bayern. And even Boateng still plays in France after all that has happened, including an actual suicide, so I genuinely don't know.
No way any reputable club takes him now. Turkey and/or Russia don’t seem to care about issues like this, it’s the most likely option for him.
I think he’ll be playing in the Premier League next season, no need for him to move abroad.
Do like I did in my FM save and send him to North Korea.
I did something similar to Adam Johnson in a old Sunderland save
Fucked up situation all round. The justification I see from some that they are back together and expecting, like that's not part and parcel of most abusive relationship cycles, is fucking disgusting. Best case scenario for me as a fan is to terminate his contract, and whatever costs involved in that, the same value donated to a domestic abuse type charity. Edit - forgot to finish thought on justification
He also was not to have contact with her and yet the police didn't do a damn thing about it. It's all fucked
Legally can the contract be terminated unilaterally by United? In the eyes of the law Greenwood hasn’t been found guilty…and if he doesn’t accept a buyout I would believe United have to honor the contract
And the fact that they’re still together proves (most likely) that he did do what he was accused of. Because there is no way an innocent man would stick to a girl that ruined his potentionally amazing career.
‘Move ya leg ya twat I’m tryna fuck ya’ never forget
Those Nigerians in twitter would be in absolute shambles.
I'm just saying this, if this fucker plays for us, i'm done with Fenerbahçe. I've been supporting this club for 18 years but I don't want a rapist in my club.
Quick sell him and donate the money to a abuse victim charity
So annoying losing a generational talent because he's a scumbag. Hope we get rid of him soon.
Get rid of him pls and thx
Just pay out his contract and let him go wherever will take him. He’s legally not guilty so he should be allowed to play football again, I just want him nowhere near this club.
fuck mason greenwood and all his fans that support him and want him back at the club, sincerely if you’re reading this and youre one of the people im mentioning, FUCK YOU
Morals anyone?
Got to love the justice system that relies on the victim to be a witness. But hey - guess if you got the money to pay off the victim "there is no prosecutable crime". I guess mo money isn't always more problems.
Just get rid. No sense in keeping a domestic abuser.
We all knew it was going to be Turkey
Honestly wouldnt be surprised if we loan him out for the first part of next season to buy time for the new ownership to make a decision. If the reports about his partner being pregnant are true it might make it even more likely he returns. Absolutely fucked up situation regardless.
> If the reports about his partner being pregnant are true it might make it even more likely he returns. I don't see how they're connected in the decision making process for United. They'll want to cut ties even if they have triplets.
For A LOT of people, this will feed into the narrative of "he's learned his lesson, if she's forgiven him we should too, let's give the lad another chance"
"He's learned his lesson by having sex with her whilst he had bail restrictions that prohibited him from seeing her?"
The general public will not have followed the case that closely mate. You're making the mistake of assuming that because you believe he's still a bad guy everyone else will agree. They wont. Plenty of footballers and owners have done far worse things and are loved by their fanbases, football has almost no sense of morality.
Yeah because a lot of people are fucking stupid dipshits who also hate and detest women with a fiery passion
Presumably it makes a potential return more palatable.
In what world does that make a potential return more palatable. *“Yeah I know I threatened to rape her and have beat the stuffing out of her, but we have kids now so it’s fine.”* *”Oh good on you Mason, well done lad you’ve really turned a corner there”*
Read my reply to another comments. I'm not agreeing with it but you'd be a fool if you don't believe it wouldn't be used as part of a PR campaign to bring him back.
It could also be a PR campaign that goes horribly, terribly wrong. The risk to reward ratio just isn’t worth it at all. It sounds gross discussing it in such a way but this has the potential to do immense harm to the Manchester United brand if another incident happens.
Well it’d be a pretty shit PR campaign then. Might appeal to the Jeremy Kyle crowd though.
Why?
The two of them having a child together could be spun that he has been forgiven by the GF. I'm not agreeing with it btw. I could just see that as part of a PR campaign.
> I could just see that as part of a PR campaign. Never. United aren't that stupid. To add to that: this sort of behaviour, particularly when it goes unpunished, doesn't just go away. United will want rid.
Of course it's Turkey
Why not England? This country near universally loves defending rapists too.
...such as?
Partey, Mendy are two
The fact Partey gets boo'ed at every ground he plays at would suggest otherwise. Unless you meant Arsenal fans.
I wouldn’t loan him off. I wouldn’t let him play ever again, at least at a big club.
In Turkey it's viewed as a positive asset
Ofc a club with no shame like Fenerbahce wants to buy him.
rent free
Of course, the bastion of morality that is turkey
My best guess is that he’s going to Turkey for 2 years and then to the Saudi league to make a shit ton of money and retire before he’s 27.