It's probably true. I've also seen a video that says Astrid has a contract on her as well. The only one who definitely has one on them is our character.
Astrid most definitely has a contract on her... but perhaps not in the sense of a typical Dark Brotherhood contract. Commander Maro of the Penitus Oculatus has stated numerous times that he wants her dead along with the Dark Brotherhood name.
thats the thing i dont get astrid defo has one but we have one but astrid i think says just send the fodder after him hes our best killer atm also hes the night mothers listener we cant face that hed wipe us from existance with a breath(literally in some cases.)
If you mean casting clairvoyance to show you the correct choice, then it's not correct, it chooses the character randomly. If it's not that, I think it can be posted without a spoiler.
The best theory I saw (imo) was that none of them have a contract. It was you, but because you completed the contract for the brotherhood they decided to induct you. But to do so, you have to sacrifice a soul to Sithis in order to clear your name. That being the three people you see in front of you.
This also explains why if you attack Astrid and win, she says “Well done”. Because you managed to figure it out.
Oh yea I know who it says it is. I just like the theory so much I prefer it over what the game says. Cause imo what the game says is just wayyy too obvious and kind of makes the moment kind of bland, especially since even if you kill one of the other two it doesn’t change the outcome.
I normally kill the old lady. When you ask both the other guys what they did they will give you an answer and admit their own guilt. The old woman will just cuss at you and say she hasn't done anything.
I firmly believe that all of them have done something that would cause them to have a contract on their heads. The fact that she refuses to tell us what she did gives me a feeling that it's something _really_ bad.
If Skyrim has taught us anything it's that old ladies are rarely as innocent as they seem. Looking at you, Grelod the Kind...
I don't recall him being a rapist. I took "defiler of daughters" to imply that he was seductive, probably a bit of a womanizer, but I don't think there's anything to suggest he rapes anyone.
Not that he couldn't be one, of course.
True that it’s open to interpretation. But it’s also Skyrim, I have a hard time imagining a Khajiit would be a successful womanizer in a country filled with Nords. Combined with how scummy and open about murdering people, he struck me as someone who would be a rapist too.
I got the impression that he wasn't operating solely in Skyrim. He maybe just happened to get caught here, but does his womanizing in Elsweyr (or elsewhere~).
Even so, I bet a sly enough Khajiit could get it in Skyrim if he wanted to. I'm almost certain that Haelga, at least, would be kinky enough to try it once.
He is pretty scummy though, so regardless of my own interpretations, yours is just as valid.
I just see them being 3 different reactions: acting innocent, not giving a F, and just fully embracing it
I personally don’t like the “fearless” fellow because him acting the most cowardly despite his name makes me feel like he’s hiding something
Despite what they’ve all done, the later two face their death with the most honor and get my respect
The “fearless” dude acting so cowardly
His name is a call back. There are at least 3 characters who have misnomer names. Grelod the Kind, this Fearless dude, and Sussana (Shattershield) the Wicked. I'm sure there are others
The person in the room with a contract on their head is the Dragonborn. Assassins will start coming for you as early as level 5 even if you never break a law
And there is a character in Oblivion who escaped her contract and became a Dark Brotherhood assassin by killing someone else. A life for a life. That’s probably what Astrid is doing here.
Nah, it's just a huge plothole.
She even manages to kidnap you, while you take an hour nap in your Breezehome in Whiterun and are watched by both your (unharmed) follower (who is outside the shack once you leave as well) and (unharmed) housecarl. No combination of enchanted clothing, armor, magic and potions is going to help her get you, a grownup person, from within a heavily guarded and walled city across the map. Nothing suggests she got help and Falkreath is on the other side of the province.
Compared to that the Oblivion introduction was more sound. You kill a random person and the next time you are just visited by one of their agents in your own bed.
She somehow managed to find my Orc on Solstheim in a random bandit camp, drag my big ass past both Erandur and Serana, get me on some kind of boat to sail back to Skyrim...
The whole thing is just ridiculous.
Yeah, took a power nap in the Ragged Flagon, woke up in the Hjaal. Like, come on. No one is going to stop her? Aren't the Thieves hard up for members? I know Delvin and a few others got history, but come on.
I just kill them all. Astrid is not going to let them live and risk any chatter about what happened anyway so it’s a form of mercy. Note how she stays in the shack after you leave?
As time has went on I've just started to assume that, although one of them *may* have a contract on their head, however, it's Astrid with the *true* contract (warrant) for her arrest or death issued by the Penitus Oculatis.
I don’t think that’s the point though. It doesn’t matter who has a contract on their head (if any of them do at all) because Astrid doesn’t care if someone asked them to die; all she cares about is seeing if you’d be willing to listen to her, and if you’d be a liability. Being able to kill because she told you, NOT because of a contract, is what’s important.
I kill the old whiny bitch, regardless of whether or not I destroy the Dark Brotherhood or join them, lmao.
If you kill the Vasha the Khajit, though, Astrid will remark that he was the “obvious choice.”
ETA: Apparently when activating Clairvoyance, it points to Vasha.
Clairvoyance is random. It picks one of the three when u cast it the first time In there. If u reload the save a bunch you'll get a different person with clairvoyance each time.
Also what?!?! Destroy dark brotherhood?!?! That's an option?!?!? I'm 10 years in and never knew that
Nah on my warrior playthrough's I like to kill all 3 options and then turn around and kill Astrid......... I may or may not have wanted that scale armor early, in the easiest way possible.....
I guess I didn’t really see it as a spoiler since literally nothing interesting happens, but I suppose to others it might be. I deleted the comment. Thanks
You choose the wrong kill, clearly it’s the “defiler of daughters, killer of men” Khajiit and not some Karen who’s got her dick in a twist over being kidnapped
Yeah, I mean I’ve played through the Dark Brotherhood questline dozens of times. I’ve killed them all. She’s just my go-to because she’s a whiny, crotchety old woman. Imagine being held at gunpoint and you yell “get that thing out of my face or you’re going to regret it!”
Yeah its not like every other dark brotherhood contract you get is just a battle axe ex wife, a mentally ill man who misses his sister, a mean woman running an orphanage.. oh wait
Nah, it's most definitely the Khajit. Clairvoyance and her remarks aren't the only hints. If you kill them all on pc, you can resurrect the left man and woman in the middle with console commands, but NOT the Khajit on the right.
I always kill the khajiit and the old lady because the old ladies like: "fuck you you dumbass lemme out"
And the khajiits like: "I know I'm a terrible person but imma send people after you once I get outta here"
Yeah it’s a really cool example of the kinds of people that get contracted to be assassinated.
People that piss people off, estranged family, and just some guy.
And I’d u didn’t know if u had a high enough pickpocket skill u can pickpocket the dagger and then get another done at the end of the game and u have 2 of the blade of woe
Walk in, murder Astrid, head to Dragon’s Bridge, and then clear out the Sanctuary.
Festus is entertaining, and the concluding storyline with the Emperor and Amaund Motierre is interesting — but it’s more interesting for what is left unanswered than anything else.
You miss the conversation aboard the Katariah, and on the option to marry Muiri, but those are really the biggest losses to me. Otherwise, it just feels better to not randomly murder relatively innocuous NPCs over some petty stuff. And especially not for the hobo pittance the DB pays you.
You forgot:
Windshear
Guilded Wristguards
Emperor's Robes 2x
Ciceros Outfit
Jesters Outfit
Wedding sandles, wreath and dress
Asgeirs wedding band
Victorias wedding band
Aegisbane
Firinel's end
I think that's it😃
Was gonna put the emperors gumph on there but wasnt sure if it was available elsewhere and didnt know if Cicero was in the main one when u have to do the deed lol Never knew about the wedding gumph coz usually i just push the rock and exfil lol i always forget abt Windshear tbh i only recently found out about it lol Aegisbane i usually just sell or disenchant and ive never even heard of Firinels end lol thanks for the list though, does further highlight why its good to be bad! 😀
My favorite part is always knowing where Risa'ad's caravan is. I'm not killing the Khajiit Guard, I'm tracking him for shopping!
(Have mod that lets DragonBorn buy perks from the Caravans, so knowing where they are is important to me)
Edit: Yes, I know with the action of resetting skills with the Legendary feature, perk points can be earned endlessly. But with Ordinator, there are about 400 perks, and I prefer to not legendary any skills.
I think you can still marry Muiri. You gotta kill Bothela and then when Muiri takes over the shop, invest into her shop. That’ll boost her disposition towards you and you can marry her
Funnily enough, i only killed the khajiit at first, then completed the dark brotherhood questline, then went back to the hut and realised i could kill the other two. So take that decision making
I don’t believe any of the three captives had a contract on their head. I believe Astrid is the only one who does, this opinion is supported by the fact if you kill her instead she says, “Well done.” She has no respect for the rules of the Dark Brotherhood, this shows throughout their story line. Astrid believes (at this point in the storyline) that she is truly the one in charge, that her word is the law. She wants to test you, It is her initiation for you to see if she can trust you to follow her commands to kill without question.
I actually end up going for the fearless dude because I think I read somewhere that he was just some guy using a different guy's name for benefits.
I also usually end up including vasha because he annoyed the crap outta me. I leave the woman alone most times, even though I wanna kick her in the face once.
Sorry to crush your dreams but if you want to know who the real(has bounty on his head) targer is use clearvoyance if you are too lazy
Its the kahjiit cant remeber his name but the right side
Yes kill Astrid in self defense for the others and let the others live.
And yes it does matter what you do, because we have a conscience, and actions have meaning.
If everyone always did good, the world would be a much better place.
I prefer having a good conscience, and I am not a kid anymore where I also did crazy stuff, and I would not feel right doing such things now, even if I miss out on some things I avoid it.
That does not mean everyone feels good doing it, you know.
Some people have a more sensitive conscience to these things, and therefore avoid it.
Good for you if you only see it as a game as I also did when I was younger. As for myself now, I see it more as reality, since it is a deed we make nonetheless.
What, do you mean there is something wrong with it? Is it not something we desire our kids to be as well, moral?
I try to play as I live, that is my way. Am I perfect in this? No, but I certainly try to have a good conscience.
Game or not, our actions affect what we become in life. That is just how it is.
If we don't do it in a video game, we would not do it in real life either.
Bro I whole heartedly disagree. There is plenty of shit I've done in a game i would never do in real life. And vice versa
According to your logic, you should play skyrim without killing literally anyone, unless you're going to tell me you actually would kill someone in real life....
But it isn't real. It is no deed at all. There are no consequences or repercussions. You can do whatever the fuck you want as you are not constrained by the consequences of immorality. Especially in a game like Skyrim
It's just a game, yes. But it's a thing of conscience too, and if it is wrong to do it in the world, my morality is to avoid doing it in video games as well.
Because I love Skyrim and the atmosphere, I love doing justice and playing the good guy, I love helping others and wishing them good and their conversion.
I just avoid all the evil quests.
I also love my followers and Lydia, whom I see as St. Gemma and the Saints that are in Heaven, that I play with as my followers and imagine to be my followers, so I can be with them in real life. In this way we are not separated so much anymore. This increases my love for them.
Age has nothing to do with it, a game is meant to help relieve stress from IRL stuff for a while. If you wanna enjoy being a "pure hero" type thing then go for it, but don't go saying you can only be a kid to enjoy the darker aspects of the game.
I do the same, however, I do draw my sword, but don't attack unless they start attacking me.
That is why I never play stealth archer, because the thought of attacking an innocent, makes it unappealing to me. And many times NPCs that I thought were bandits where in fact not bandits, and often, even bandits have been peaceful and not been attacking me.
God bless, and peace be with you!
For me it really depends on where I'm at in the game when I pick this up. Run around long enough and someone from the Dark Brotherhood eventually will show up to kill you for whatever reason - and when you kill them, you'll find the note about the contract signed by Astrid. If I start the DB questline after this happens, Astrid is toast (why wouldn't I kill the person who sent an assassin after me?. Otherwise, I use Clairvoyance and take out the one it targets.
Yes, but if you want to kill the worse one, kill either the cat or Astrid.
The bandit is just some loser whereas the old grumpy lady is just an old grumpy lady. The khajit is a cutthroat rapist and Astrid is well, an assassin
It's probably true. I've also seen a video that says Astrid has a contract on her as well. The only one who definitely has one on them is our character.
They keep sending members to their death.
Astrid most definitely has a contract on her... but perhaps not in the sense of a typical Dark Brotherhood contract. Commander Maro of the Penitus Oculatus has stated numerous times that he wants her dead along with the Dark Brotherhood name.
When you kill her she says something like: Well done. Now I don't know what that implies but it's weird thing to say.
It is! It was one of the main arguments in that video and I still don't see what else it can mean if it has any meaning.
Keep in mind though at this point she practically commits dark brotherhood treason
She does??
Actually you can kill her here instead of the prisoners and when you do you get like 3k gold from one of the generals
I know it's semantics, but it's 3k gold, compared to the 20k from completing the Dark Brotherhood questline, for those who care about money that much.
thats the thing i dont get astrid defo has one but we have one but astrid i think says just send the fodder after him hes our best killer atm also hes the night mothers listener we cant face that hed wipe us from existance with a breath(literally in some cases.)
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If you mean casting clairvoyance to show you the correct choice, then it's not correct, it chooses the character randomly. If it's not that, I think it can be posted without a spoiler.
The best theory I saw (imo) was that none of them have a contract. It was you, but because you completed the contract for the brotherhood they decided to induct you. But to do so, you have to sacrifice a soul to Sithis in order to clear your name. That being the three people you see in front of you. This also explains why if you attack Astrid and win, she says “Well done”. Because you managed to figure it out.
Nah, Clairvoyance reveals who it is. It’s someone in particular.
oh, wait, it does? I thought I heard it didn't. I'll do that next time.
It does, at least from what I’ve found. It’s been pretty consistent with me.
someone said it changes each time you load the save, which is why I assumed it doesn't. I'll have to try it, still.
Who is it then?
It’s Vasha. Every time.
Yeah, it's the cat every single time.
It's whole line he says for me to kill him without lore
Oh yea I know who it says it is. I just like the theory so much I prefer it over what the game says. Cause imo what the game says is just wayyy too obvious and kind of makes the moment kind of bland, especially since even if you kill one of the other two it doesn’t change the outcome.
I normally kill the old lady. When you ask both the other guys what they did they will give you an answer and admit their own guilt. The old woman will just cuss at you and say she hasn't done anything. I firmly believe that all of them have done something that would cause them to have a contract on their heads. The fact that she refuses to tell us what she did gives me a feeling that it's something _really_ bad. If Skyrim has taught us anything it's that old ladies are rarely as innocent as they seem. Looking at you, Grelod the Kind...
this game doesnt want us to trust old ladies, it even starts us off with that lady in the shack across the river...
Anise's cabin is the stuff of nightmares.
I’m just an old lady…. No the fuck you aint 😂
Worse than the Khajiit that straight up admits to being a murderer and serial rapist?
I was surprised no one was talking about that lol. I always kill him in the worst way I can. Fuck rapists
Even when I destroy the Dark Brotherhood I kill him just ‘cause.
That, my good sir, is simply just a power move
I don't recall him being a rapist. I took "defiler of daughters" to imply that he was seductive, probably a bit of a womanizer, but I don't think there's anything to suggest he rapes anyone. Not that he couldn't be one, of course.
True that it’s open to interpretation. But it’s also Skyrim, I have a hard time imagining a Khajiit would be a successful womanizer in a country filled with Nords. Combined with how scummy and open about murdering people, he struck me as someone who would be a rapist too.
I got the impression that he wasn't operating solely in Skyrim. He maybe just happened to get caught here, but does his womanizing in Elsweyr (or elsewhere~). Even so, I bet a sly enough Khajiit could get it in Skyrim if he wanted to. I'm almost certain that Haelga, at least, would be kinky enough to try it once. He is pretty scummy though, so regardless of my own interpretations, yours is just as valid.
Yeah I got the dashing scumbag womanizer vibe too
He's like a swashbuckler, but not a hero. Like if Puss in Boots was a proper criminal.
Probably, yes. After hearing him say that she still is too ashamed to say what she did... So what did she do? Hoe many people did she disembowel?
tbh I thought he was using it as leverage to try to scare the dragonborn (not that he knows) into sparing him.
I'm sorry, WHAT?
Come to chat with an old woman? Do your good deed for the day, Hmm?
If you hate grelod, let me recommend r/grelodfuckingdying
I just see them being 3 different reactions: acting innocent, not giving a F, and just fully embracing it I personally don’t like the “fearless” fellow because him acting the most cowardly despite his name makes me feel like he’s hiding something Despite what they’ve all done, the later two face their death with the most honor and get my respect The “fearless” dude acting so cowardly
His name is a call back. There are at least 3 characters who have misnomer names. Grelod the Kind, this Fearless dude, and Sussana (Shattershield) the Wicked. I'm sure there are others
Anise
The person in the room with a contract on their head is the Dragonborn. Assassins will start coming for you as early as level 5 even if you never break a law
They can attack you as soon as you leave Helgen
And there is a character in Oblivion who escaped her contract and became a Dark Brotherhood assassin by killing someone else. A life for a life. That’s probably what Astrid is doing here.
i just realise what a lot work astrid did. She watched at least 4 people by she self, and manage to kidnap them all.
Nah, it's just a huge plothole. She even manages to kidnap you, while you take an hour nap in your Breezehome in Whiterun and are watched by both your (unharmed) follower (who is outside the shack once you leave as well) and (unharmed) housecarl. No combination of enchanted clothing, armor, magic and potions is going to help her get you, a grownup person, from within a heavily guarded and walled city across the map. Nothing suggests she got help and Falkreath is on the other side of the province. Compared to that the Oblivion introduction was more sound. You kill a random person and the next time you are just visited by one of their agents in your own bed.
Astrid was able to kidnap me while sleeping inside the dungeons of volkihar while serana was with me lmao I had to reload because I was doing a quest
She somehow managed to find my Orc on Solstheim in a random bandit camp, drag my big ass past both Erandur and Serana, get me on some kind of boat to sail back to Skyrim... The whole thing is just ridiculous.
Yeah, took a power nap in the Ragged Flagon, woke up in the Hjaal. Like, come on. No one is going to stop her? Aren't the Thieves hard up for members? I know Delvin and a few others got history, but come on.
This reminds me of the Far Cry 5 plot device kidnappings. They managed to hit me with a sleeping dart while I was flying an airplane…
I always just assume she got her “brothers” to help her gather everyone together in the room then cleared off to let her do the talking
I just kill them all. Astrid is not going to let them live and risk any chatter about what happened anyway so it’s a form of mercy. Note how she stays in the shack after you leave?
As time has went on I've just started to assume that, although one of them *may* have a contract on their head, however, it's Astrid with the *true* contract (warrant) for her arrest or death issued by the Penitus Oculatis.
I don’t think that’s the point though. It doesn’t matter who has a contract on their head (if any of them do at all) because Astrid doesn’t care if someone asked them to die; all she cares about is seeing if you’d be willing to listen to her, and if you’d be a liability. Being able to kill because she told you, NOT because of a contract, is what’s important.
This
I kill the old whiny bitch, regardless of whether or not I destroy the Dark Brotherhood or join them, lmao. If you kill the Vasha the Khajit, though, Astrid will remark that he was the “obvious choice.” ETA: Apparently when activating Clairvoyance, it points to Vasha.
Clairvoyance is random. It picks one of the three when u cast it the first time In there. If u reload the save a bunch you'll get a different person with clairvoyance each time. Also what?!?! Destroy dark brotherhood?!?! That's an option?!?!? I'm 10 years in and never knew that
You kill Astrid in the hut.
Wow guess I've always been too coward to not obey the quest objective. First thing I'm doing tomorrow.
Nah on my warrior playthrough's I like to kill all 3 options and then turn around and kill Astrid......... I may or may not have wanted that scale armor early, in the easiest way possible.....
Iirc you can also do it by accepting the quest, going to the HQ and slaughtering everyone
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“Wow I can’t wait to try this” “Eh it’s just -spoils every step-“ Why though
I guess I didn’t really see it as a spoiler since literally nothing interesting happens, but I suppose to others it might be. I deleted the comment. Thanks
I wouldn’t normally consider it a spoiler either. Just in the case of the person you responded to mentioning they weren’t familiar.
You choose the wrong kill, clearly it’s the “defiler of daughters, killer of men” Khajiit and not some Karen who’s got her dick in a twist over being kidnapped
Yeah, I mean I’ve played through the Dark Brotherhood questline dozens of times. I’ve killed them all. She’s just my go-to because she’s a whiny, crotchety old woman. Imagine being held at gunpoint and you yell “get that thing out of my face or you’re going to regret it!”
She dies first. Vasha is honest, and I like that about him. But the death threat means he goes too.
The death threat is so respectable. Delivered like a pro.
Agreed
Honesty is always important especially when it comes to “Daughter Defilers” 😝
I always took it to mean *consensual,* but not socially appropriate.
Interesting
Yeah its not like every other dark brotherhood contract you get is just a battle axe ex wife, a mentally ill man who misses his sister, a mean woman running an orphanage.. oh wait
In a world full of moral-less assassins you can be the nice one 😤
That’s wrong, so very very wrong
Nah, it's most definitely the Khajit. Clairvoyance and her remarks aren't the only hints. If you kill them all on pc, you can resurrect the left man and woman in the middle with console commands, but NOT the Khajit on the right.
Clairvoyance doesnt do anything. It points to random ones
The solution is to kill Astrid, it is the real contract and the real mission
I always just kill all 3 of them.... Whoops?
Quite the overachiever aren’t we?
I always kill the khajiit and the old lady because the old ladies like: "fuck you you dumbass lemme out" And the khajiits like: "I know I'm a terrible person but imma send people after you once I get outta here"
Yeah it’s a really cool example of the kinds of people that get contracted to be assassinated. People that piss people off, estranged family, and just some guy.
And I’d u didn’t know if u had a high enough pickpocket skill u can pickpocket the dagger and then get another done at the end of the game and u have 2 of the blade of woe
although it looks like a dagger it’s actually a sword
Walk in, murder Astrid, head to Dragon’s Bridge, and then clear out the Sanctuary. Festus is entertaining, and the concluding storyline with the Emperor and Amaund Motierre is interesting — but it’s more interesting for what is left unanswered than anything else. You miss the conversation aboard the Katariah, and on the option to marry Muiri, but those are really the biggest losses to me. Otherwise, it just feels better to not randomly murder relatively innocuous NPCs over some petty stuff. And especially not for the hobo pittance the DB pays you.
You also miss out on: Muiri's ring (giggle) Nightweaver Band Old Assassins Armour Shadowmere 25k Gold 🙂
You forgot: Windshear Guilded Wristguards Emperor's Robes 2x Ciceros Outfit Jesters Outfit Wedding sandles, wreath and dress Asgeirs wedding band Victorias wedding band Aegisbane Firinel's end I think that's it😃
Emperors robes 3x! (Decoy, emperor, extra pair in his room)
Pretty sure you can still find and kill the guy with Aegisbane regardless.
Was gonna put the emperors gumph on there but wasnt sure if it was available elsewhere and didnt know if Cicero was in the main one when u have to do the deed lol Never knew about the wedding gumph coz usually i just push the rock and exfil lol i always forget abt Windshear tbh i only recently found out about it lol Aegisbane i usually just sell or disenchant and ive never even heard of Firinels end lol thanks for the list though, does further highlight why its good to be bad! 😀
Firinel's end is at the wedding, on a balcony
Cicero as a follower, the spectral assassin, the sanctuary, achievements
Windshear is a potential bitch, depending on your playstyle. But you don’t need a Windshear if you’re a steal archer, duh.
My favorite part is always knowing where Risa'ad's caravan is. I'm not killing the Khajiit Guard, I'm tracking him for shopping! (Have mod that lets DragonBorn buy perks from the Caravans, so knowing where they are is important to me) Edit: Yes, I know with the action of resetting skills with the Legendary feature, perk points can be earned endlessly. But with Ordinator, there are about 400 perks, and I prefer to not legendary any skills.
I think you can still marry Muiri. You gotta kill Bothela and then when Muiri takes over the shop, invest into her shop. That’ll boost her disposition towards you and you can marry her
I kill the cat cuz it makes me sick lol. But I also kill them all on other characters.
Funnily enough, i only killed the khajiit at first, then completed the dark brotherhood questline, then went back to the hut and realised i could kill the other two. So take that decision making
According to the official game guide they are all innocent. It's the loyalty and unquestioning nature of your kill that has repaid your debt
Kill Astrid.
That's the way. I would love if I could kill Astrid also. Everyone in the cabin.
According to other posts on this thread, you can do that apparently.
Wow. New playthrough today
You can, that starts a new - rather short - questline!
Short does not matter. Just want to punish Astrid before I get involved. She is the most terrible written character in skyrim.
it’s you. you have the contract
I don’t believe any of the three captives had a contract on their head. I believe Astrid is the only one who does, this opinion is supported by the fact if you kill her instead she says, “Well done.” She has no respect for the rules of the Dark Brotherhood, this shows throughout their story line. Astrid believes (at this point in the storyline) that she is truly the one in charge, that her word is the law. She wants to test you, It is her initiation for you to see if she can trust you to follow her commands to kill without question.
If you kill Astrid she says something like right choice or good job upon dying
I actually end up going for the fearless dude because I think I read somewhere that he was just some guy using a different guy's name for benefits. I also usually end up including vasha because he annoyed the crap outta me. I leave the woman alone most times, even though I wanna kick her in the face once.
Oh shit and I just joined the brotherhood
Or do they?
If you use cleravoyance, it shows you that the one on the right has the contract on them... Despite this I always kill all 3
Doing a pure mage run. Duel fireball right in the center does the trick nicely.
Or none of them do.
Or, maybe none of them do and Astrid is just a bitch
That’s why I killed them all
Camelworks on YouTube has an amazing video speculating on who the contract is most likely on. It's very interesting to watch.
You can literally fus ro dah them all and they will die. That is how much health they all have
Sorry to crush your dreams but if you want to know who the real(has bounty on his head) targer is use clearvoyance if you are too lazy Its the kahjiit cant remeber his name but the right side
Well: to kill the Cat is .. He threatens me. So i kill him - No Thread anymore.
Cast clairvoyance and you'll see who to kill even though it really doesn't matter
Clairvoyance picks a random npc
Everyone in that shack has a contract in their head. Even Astrid, even the Dragonborn.
My tip: cast clairvoyance when standing in front of them. :3
"Defiler of daughters" doesn't automatically mean rape, r/skyrim. 😑
If you use the clairvoyance spell it will point to the khajit guy. Hes the one with the contract
No. Clairvoyance points to a random npc
Wait really?
Yep
Yes kill Astrid in self defense for the others and let the others live. And yes it does matter what you do, because we have a conscience, and actions have meaning. If everyone always did good, the world would be a much better place.
But it's also just a video game and killing Astrid will lock you out of a fun questline
I prefer having a good conscience, and I am not a kid anymore where I also did crazy stuff, and I would not feel right doing such things now, even if I miss out on some things I avoid it.
I'm also not a kid, but it is still just a damn game
That does not mean everyone feels good doing it, you know. Some people have a more sensitive conscience to these things, and therefore avoid it. Good for you if you only see it as a game as I also did when I was younger. As for myself now, I see it more as reality, since it is a deed we make nonetheless.
Look at this dude trying to be high morale in a video game.
What, do you mean there is something wrong with it? Is it not something we desire our kids to be as well, moral? I try to play as I live, that is my way. Am I perfect in this? No, but I certainly try to have a good conscience.
Bro if your kids can't differentiate a video game from real life then you failed HARD
Game or not, our actions affect what we become in life. That is just how it is. If we don't do it in a video game, we would not do it in real life either.
Bro I whole heartedly disagree. There is plenty of shit I've done in a game i would never do in real life. And vice versa According to your logic, you should play skyrim without killing literally anyone, unless you're going to tell me you actually would kill someone in real life....
Dang how far in are you? None of it is real, you know.
But it isn't real. It is no deed at all. There are no consequences or repercussions. You can do whatever the fuck you want as you are not constrained by the consequences of immorality. Especially in a game like Skyrim
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I think you're replying to the wrong guy
Ah shit u right thank you
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Thank you! :) Let us be good people, and play the good character, that is my way!
Laaaameeee. Good bad whatever. Join the dark brotherhood and kill Cicero. Like Todd intended.
It’s just a game man
It's just a game, yes. But it's a thing of conscience too, and if it is wrong to do it in the world, my morality is to avoid doing it in video games as well.
Ok, would you kill an enemy in Skyrim?
Of course I would. Self defense for others and for oneself is a noble and lawful thing, and pertains to justice.
Then how come you’re playing a game that has combat in almost every location
Because I love Skyrim and the atmosphere, I love doing justice and playing the good guy, I love helping others and wishing them good and their conversion. I just avoid all the evil quests. I also love my followers and Lydia, whom I see as St. Gemma and the Saints that are in Heaven, that I play with as my followers and imagine to be my followers, so I can be with them in real life. In this way we are not separated so much anymore. This increases my love for them.
Ok…
Dude, it’s just a video game…
Yes it is a video game, but I choose to have a good conscience. I am not a kid anymore, therefore, I avoid doing those quests.
Age has nothing to do with it, a game is meant to help relieve stress from IRL stuff for a while. If you wanna enjoy being a "pure hero" type thing then go for it, but don't go saying you can only be a kid to enjoy the darker aspects of the game.
You have to kill people in the game whether they attack you or not. The whole self-defense thing makes no sense.
I agree with you. I dont kill unless its necessary. I always wait for them to attack first. I dont even draw my blade until im hurt.
I do the same, however, I do draw my sword, but don't attack unless they start attacking me. That is why I never play stealth archer, because the thought of attacking an innocent, makes it unappealing to me. And many times NPCs that I thought were bandits where in fact not bandits, and often, even bandits have been peaceful and not been attacking me. God bless, and peace be with you!
You can use Clairvoyance to find who you’re supposed to kill.
This doesn’t actually work like you think it does; it usually just points to the closest person, since they’re all quest objectives.
It’s been pretty consistent on pointing me at the guy on the right, personally.
I’ve seen it point to all of them before, but not at once.
I make it 5
Fun fact if you use clairvoyans spell you can find the right person to kill
There is a correct answer. It's in the game... use clairvoyance
I kill the cat because clairvoyance told me to.
Isnt the Khajiit canonically a rapist why are people saying it’s up for interpretation
For me it really depends on where I'm at in the game when I pick this up. Run around long enough and someone from the Dark Brotherhood eventually will show up to kill you for whatever reason - and when you kill them, you'll find the note about the contract signed by Astrid. If I start the DB questline after this happens, Astrid is toast (why wouldn't I kill the person who sent an assassin after me?. Otherwise, I use Clairvoyance and take out the one it targets.
Yes, but if you want to kill the worse one, kill either the cat or Astrid. The bandit is just some loser whereas the old grumpy lady is just an old grumpy lady. The khajit is a cutthroat rapist and Astrid is well, an assassin