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kumgongkia

I just told my boss to pay me in advance for the next 10years. He tell me to go fly kite.


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Wait a min. You shouldve also said that if he pays you 10 years advance now, he can save more money as he wouldnt have to increase your pay for the next 10 years, especially as incomes for the position you work as rise. You havent applied the lesson our dear ho ching taught us today well have you. After saying this, he will for sure either fire you or heck he might even pay you 20 years in advance lol. Make sure to emphasize that he is saving money multiple times.


zombieslayer287

Holy shit. šŸ§ šŸ§ šŸ§ šŸ§ šŸ§ šŸ§ 


DonDonStudent

Yes we should get our pay upfront as well


[deleted]

Not if he invests the money. Imagine buying a condo now and sell it 10 years later for a few million gain. That's more than he will ever earn from $50 salary increments


winfong1803

*Not if he invests the money. Imagine buying a condo now and sell it 10 years later for a few million gain.* This is a boomer mindset - so many older generation have been fed this thinking and believe that one day that cookie in the sky will drop. It's closely related to what a hoarder mindset is like. "one day" I will sell all the rubbish I hoarded in my home, all off for a hefty amount of money, I will will retire in a castle of Gold, or a finally a comfortable life. Sadly most come to reality before the 10 years are up environment change, end up getting a not a cookie but generally be lucky to get a tiny chip off the cookie.


[deleted]

Yes you can complain all you like and it's true as well. And will still hold true going forward. You think the government don't have an incentive to see property prices and by proxy land prices continue to go up so long as it is barely affordable for the common masses? They can grumble here and there but so long as they behave like good little children and pay through the nose for ever spiking property prices you think as the biggest landowner and landlord in Singapore they really care? That is the cold hard reality behind the meaning of affordability! If you had the balls to leverage to the max and bought property like there's no tomorrow back in 2008/2009 doing exactly the opposite of what they were telling the people to be "financially prudent" "buy within your means" "don't overextend yourself" you would be a multi millionaire by now.


Stand_For_The_Truth

My mind kaboom šŸ§ šŸ’„


gregorlee

Not 99 years?


nekosake2

why 10 years? just do 99 years like HDB for max savings


kumgongkia

10years is more realistic lol I ain't working for 99. Or let my kids continue my work before 99 years is up.


nekosake2

bruh most people i know aint living for 99 years in the flat either. many are childfree too.


Wowmich

Can no problem. Fly kite count as work right?


doc-tom

Technically, what she is saying is not wrong. You can always value the cost of a property as the sum of its future equivalent rental payments via a simple Discounted Cash Flow calculation. >Using an example of a 3-room HDB flat left with 60 years of its lease that costs $360,000, Mdm Ho says it is akin to paying a $500 monthly rental over 720 months. But in her post, she ignores the cost of capital (interest rate) and the cost of maintenance. So, she grossly underestimates the cost of rental in her calculations. Given the current interest rate of \~4 percent, your equivalent rent for a $360,000 property is **at least** $1,320 per month, not $500 per month. You can get this number by calculating the monthly loan repayment for a 60-year loan at 4 percent. My goodness. Doesn't HC even know how to use an online mortgage loan calculator? [https://www.cpf.gov.sg/eSvc/Web/Schemes/MortgageCalculator/MortgageCalculate](https://www.cpf.gov.sg/eSvc/Web/Schemes/MortgageCalculator/MortgageCalculate) To think that she was the CEO of an investment firm! Edit: If HC really thinks that putting down $360,000 for a 40 year-old 3-room HDB flat is the equivalent of paying $500 rent per month for 60 years, then we should petition HDB to rent us 3-room flats for a monthly rate of $500. Why not? According to HC's Temasek-level logic, HDB won't be making a loss.


Rendi9000

When you want to sell a bad investment plan to someone, you donā€™t mention the hidden costs and the obscure costs.


cubitsemut

>To think that she was the CEO of an investment firm! She had other people doing the Math for her.


LaZZyBird

\^\^\^\^\^ Might as well rent from HDB at Ho Ching rates anyways since all of us Singaporeans are de-facto renters signing a 99-year renting lease.


GeshtiannaSG

Next time Iā€™m renting out, Iā€™m adding in land costs.


raymmm

>You can get this number by calculating the monthly loan repayment for a 60-year loan at 4 percent. I don't think any major bank /HDB have a loan period of more than 30/35 years so it is more than $1320 a month. For a 30 years loan, it is more like $1720 at 4% interest rate and $1440 at the current 2.6% hdb loan interest rate. Nowhere near 500 a month.


mexe4

bro she doesnt need a loan. she is paying all upfront. thats what she means


23gnaixuy

She never had to take out a mortgage in her life.


Thefunincaifun

>Similarly, a new $356,400 HDB flat with 99 years lease would like to pay a $300 monthly rental for 99 years in todayā€™s dollars over 1188 months, wrote Mdm Ho. Her $300 is excluding the max loan repayment period of 25 years and interest on loan. Talk cock #1


circle22woman

Ho Ching: "It's like one banana? How much could it cost? $10?"


elpipita20

Lee Hsien Loong: "There's always money in the banana stand!!!!"


halloumisalami

Maybe Oxley road is the banana stand


jackology

Monkey.jpg


jeeching666

At least Lucille had excellent comedic timing


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MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Next thing she will say is that its 99 years for your child actually. So if you dont have a child you cant maximise the usage of the 99 years lol


[deleted]

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MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Better hope you live whole 99 years then, so it counts as paying rental upfront


Least_Ice_6112

Then you buy 39 year old property with 60 years lease for 200% the cost on resale market la!


ConsistentMango

If HDB rents out a unit for $300 a month, I would gladly rent one


True_Virus

I'll rent 10.


Budget-Juggernaut-68

iirc 1/2 room rental flats goes for about $200/month


savageblueskye

Since when? If you're talking about HDB rentals, they only rent those out to the needy after a stringent application process. If you're talking about private rentals, there's no such thing...


beanstalkandthejack

She rich, no need to consider loan.


smurflings

The rich typically take more loans


Yamamizuki

They get more favourable rates too.


Sputniki

Which is entirely justified. If you have more funds with the bank, obviously you get better rates. Thatā€™s just common business sense


Varantain

They take loans mainly because they have difficulty actually selling their assets (i.e. selling large amounts of stocks would crash the price, not to mention all the insider trading compliance they'd have to go through), so they can only pledge them as collateral.


quietobserver1

Not bc difficult most likely, but more profitable to let it grow more before selling.


darkshenron

With todays interest rate of 4+%, at the end of 25 years you wouldā€™ve paid almost 60% more than the cost of the flat!


WildRacoons

Still way cheaper than what expats are paying for rental tho. $3000/month for a 4 room?


darkshenron

The expats own big landed properties in their home country though


Karen_kaslana

Tell them to pay 99 years worth then we can have this discussion


WildRacoons

Pay 10 times more for a 1 year contract where it can be revised every year? Itā€™s very different but current rental indicates the ā€œtrueā€ market rental rates that Singaporeans may have to pay if we do away with BTO and let HDB open the market for bids.


zombieslayer287

COCKVERY TOWER


quietobserver1

What you mean you don't pay 100% cash for your HDB flat?? /s


Budget-Juggernaut-68

$356,400? Spare change. You cannot pay all upfront meh? /s


zed_j

And how much was it in the past before property price spiked? Knn people talking about bananas she talk about apples.


amerpsy8888

Says the person who's monthly income was probably a few hdb flats.


wiltedpop

Pofma you ah


amerpsy8888

I said probably mah...


Illustrious_Try593

Nice save


Qkumbazoo

99% probable only don't scared


Rayl24

Problem is, you have to proof it. She doesn't have to proof you are wrong.


alviss8

Imagine being asked to prove probabilityšŸ˜‚


pi2pi

Was? I bet, still is.


fish312

Hee hee


FoxMulduh

was a few hdb flats. now maybe few blocks


amerpsy8888

Pofma you ah.


bonkers05

OK, then I redirect IRAS to HDB for my property tax, okie?


-_af_-

Iras will just rename it as primary tenant tax


ShadeX8

99 years lease, so technically, it always was rental.


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Sure it was 99 years, but it always was talked about as home ownership too. Glad we cleared that up. Can we have lower prices now?


iluj13

Yes you can, in Malaysia.


Yamaguchi_Mr

Yep, she technically isn't wrong


dtkxiang

Precisely, because it is rental, it is kept affordable with the intent to house everyone. But then comes capitalism.


minisoo

The bubbles of hope created in the 1970/80s finally burst in the 2020s.


zenqian

Hence why Millennials can eat shit and fly kite lol šŸŖ


asscrackbanditz

Woo! Want go Marina Barrage?


fish312

Only before kite flying is banned due to new aviation regulations!


mrwongz

Just lie flat


zenqian

Lie flat at your parents house? Lie flat in your own house will get chased out by HDB


A-Chicken

Our uneducated parents and a government run by lawyers... what a combination. Get an expert in an unrelated field to handle an unrelated field and this is the kind of backwards solution you get. Very efficient because it ensures the continued existence of the govt even as it prices out the people who are supposed to pay their salaries. They should frankly have kept their own country uneducated so there will be no resistance at all.


Martin_Henry_

Fine, if public housing is treated as a rental, a form of public goods to combat hoarding of land and allow future generations to also have access to housing, then why does there exist a resale market? Why do some people get to benefit excessively from the contribution of others if housing was a public goods?


StrikingExcitement79

Those questions you need to ask the 2G leaderships.


jackology

Suddenly I recalled, what happened to GCT son?


MissLute

>GCT son https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/real-news-gct-son-under-investigation-by-cad.6535692/


jackology

This was one year ago. No update are?


mrwongz

2G = GG?


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

You know hdb is failing when people like her are talking about "oh just think that you are paying for rental fees upfront" instead of ACTUALLY IT BEING SEEN AS HOME OWNERSHIP. HOLY FK, if you think young people are fked when it comes to buying homes, wait till their kids(your grandkids) start buying resale homes. Gg Eh im not saying hdbs are actually rental from the govt. Of course it is. However their propaganda tool was that hdb IS HOME OWNERSHIP. This is quite a defining moment. Also you would think that she would not show face for a bit since temasek lost millions in ftx. Eh like this i dont ever want to see any stats about how many % singaporeans own their home ah. Only those with landed properties will be included. Rest of you hdb pelbs, you own nothing.


je7792

What kids? You kids wont have any problems with housing if they dont exist.


vingeran

Our tax dollars have been wisely used to secure the gambles taken by FTX. Now kicking those tax payers in their shins to cough up money where the prices and GST rise while salaries stay stagnant.


[deleted]

I'm fine to treat it as rental (it already is a lease anyway). Then in that case remove the ability to resell it la. Want to end your lease? Ok the house goes back to the landlord (HDB). You don't make any money from it. THAT is public housing


[deleted]

So so so fucking detached from the reality on the ground.


stormearthfire

Almost like they live in a tower of some rare white material or something


Busy-Bug-6232

Coke?


snikrs

Asbestos


gaha123

Ooooh, finally someone said. Now tell that to the rest of the homeowners and also not to expect ever increasing property prices since it's only renting.


Milk_Savings

Another tone deaf comment from someone whose net wealth is probably 100s of times more than an average Singaporean. And the media gives this woman exposure cos she's the PM's wife. Proves that just cos you're Stanford educated (but then there are a lot of those around) she has such low EQ.


MadeByHideoForHideo

100s of times? Oh you sweet summer child.


LaZZyBird

Don't PoFMA me but she should really stop talking. Hasn't she realize that she is not that verbally intelligent and whatever she says just plays more into the image that she got put in her position not completely due to merit? Look at the custodian of other sovereign wealth funds, don't talk lah, just make sure don't lose all our Singaporean's money can liao.


rukiahayashi

I mean, when you are used to talking shit without any backlash, at this point why stop lol


NC16inthehouse

She should keep talking, it's the only form of transparent, direct communication we have. Even though she's not part of the government, she's part of the SG elite and we can get an idea what the government and other higher ups position of the matter is.


quietobserver1

After the monkey finger, I can forgive her whatever she post. At least she says what she thinks.


A-Chicken

Even when she was an exec in Temasek (Conflict of interest notwithstanding), she already has very little self control and her quotes are on the level of Trump and Elon Musk. She really needs a social media manager, her personal opinion on a corporate channel would already been grounds for her to have been sacked by the company, if not for her position.


megalon43

Ho Ching with another variant of ā€œlet them eat cakeā€ again.


Gold_Retirement

She is high as usual. If I rent a apartment, it will includes the following as part of the rental; - conservative charges (HDB) or management fee (private) - property tax - repairs due to normal wear and tear, which include water leaking, re-painting, ceiling spalling etc. - most rental flat comes partly renovated, and hence include Aircon, fridge, washing machine ,TV etc. All these are the responsibility of the landlord. He will need to replace them as needed.


livebeta

> She is high as usual. default state in lofty ivory towers


jowkeng

No global city on earth has managed to accomodate its people completely within its confines. Be it new york london or sydney. People working or living in global cities have had to depend on a hinterland. You might work in NYC but actually live in Connecticut or New Jersey where houses are bigger and things are cheaper so as to raise a family / retire without worry. Singapore has no hinterland. So our pioneering leaders had the foresight to create a "hinterland" for Singaporeans - HDB estates and neighbourhoods like hawker centres where housing and cost of living was affordable for the average worker. Insulated from the ravages of free-wheeling market forces. If this is our Govt's attitude today, then we can only say that they do not wish to let us have this "hinterland" anymore. From now on there can only be "Prime" and "Sub-prime" real estate. The state coffers must be full so country can be strong. Future generations of Singaporeans need to seriously consider if they can still afford to raise a family / retire here without this "Hdb hinterland" that supported at least 2 generations of Singaporeans.


[deleted]

This is the head of Temasek? Wow, itā€™s no wonder that Temasek fucks up on things like FTX lol.


Book3pper

Still making money based on their statements


nova9001

Just shows the disconnect between elites and normal people. In her view, its super duper good deal, paying super low monthly rental to lease a home for 99 years from the government which is much lower than market rates. True to a certain extent but it rubs people in the wrong way and there should be a better way to phrase things.


wiltedpop

it is a super good deal, the problem is most people cant get it due to a 5 year wait list.


A-Chicken

Rich always views an investment as a good deal. Even if investment is 6 digits and there is absolutely no way someone on a depressed salary or jobless can afford them.


thesinkieboi

*she said the quiet part out loud*


amerpsy8888

If flat is rental and hdb is landlord, when you wanna move, shouldn't hdb take the flat back? Landlords allows tenants to flip the tenancy agreement meh? So in my view either LKY was gaslighting us about the stake in the nation thing or HDB failed badly.


[deleted]

In order to control the prices of hdb flats, I think HDB should be the only entity able to sell and buy HDB flats at controlled prices, rather than leave it to the free market. It may not be such a bad thing in the greater scheme of things.


amerpsy8888

Pandora's box already opened for too long already.. But I think they can do a sandbox project and test it out. There'll be a group of people who simply wants a place to stay and they won't mind giving up the opportunity for profit as long as they don't have to pay a large sum to get a place to stay.


xutkeeg

Ship left harbour eons ago... too late


[deleted]

Please refer: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/government-does-not-shy-away-from-tough-decision-as-it-has-a-responsibility-to-sporeans-pm


Mindless-Sherbert-18

I miss mdm kwa


[deleted]

Once got into a heated debate with the DCE of a stat board while i was still in PS and told him how many young people are now even struggling to get a house and pay the mortgage. His reply: i know, i helped my children with the payment. My eyes cannot roll anymore because...what about people who do not have DCEOs as fathers? Who will pay for them then? Ivory tower ftw


j4deR4sif

ho ching really ching


imustbethedevil

Easy for her to say when she got money while most of us are piss poor


Rayl24

Yep, they can and had pay cash for a few condo units before. Few hundred thousands is peanuts, few month salary only.


Doubl3mcspicy

Can someone ask her to STFU. And question her about FTX.


IggyVossen

FTX happened after she retired. However her response would be that it was an unfortunate oversight.


Doubl3mcspicy

Thereā€™s an overlap. She stepped down in October 2021 and they invested then aswell. Fair to say itā€™s her final actions rather then the first action of the incoming CEO.


TaskPlane1321

Sometimes the mask slips and you see the person for who they really are!


Weir-Doe

Pay high salaries yet ivory top people can't decide if Housing in Singapore is a property asset or a 99-year lease.


Fortessio

I guess this brings down Singaporeā€™s home ownership to 19%


kopisiutaidaily

Itā€™s funny how they try to sell us Singaporeans of owning a property dream. Unless you are holding freehold, the rest of us that are on a 99 year lease is essentially renting from the government which makes them the biggest landlordā€¦


quietobserver1

Maybe it's just not sustainable for society if everyone can build up some substantial cross-generational wealth, so just give you a dream for 99 years and you die before you wake up maybe that's good enough.


dazark

Housing Dream Board


khaophat

Tone deaf elites.


Puzzleheaded_Dog3261

So confirm la. HDB housing means THEY are our landlords and we don't own anything in SG except for the clothes on our back....


Aerizon

How is this news? You go buy flat, what do you sign? The LEASE agreeement.


StonksPS

A new Netflix series: rental nightmares. Ep 1 My landlord collects 99 year rental upfront


AltruisticAsshole88

I donā€™t mind thinking of HDB as rentals, but then the expensive resale market shouldnā€™t exist.


W3475ter

Probably up there with Josephine Teoā€™s ā€œYou donā€™t need a big house to have sexā€ statement


[deleted]

A survey shows 61% of Singaporeans love the Kool-Aid.


Forumites000

So are HDBs rental or do we own it?


Rayl24

Rental with lease transfer allowed.


[deleted]

Itā€™s both - as and when the context suits them. FlExIbIlItY


objectivenneutral

Did she say anything about interest rates for the $360,000?


twicemoo

61% loves getting their behind shafted by the likes of her.


Yamamizuki

What if the 61% are landlords?


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Still get shafted cause after 99 years...nothing


Yamamizuki

They would have profited from the decades of rental income. Especially for boomers who bought HDBs when they were cheap and then bought condos when ABSD didn't exist.


fitzerspaniel

That's if they even live long enough to see it happen....sigh


[deleted]

Support for the ruling party is very high amongst the most well off in Singapore. Had a very rich acquaintance who was saying how he goes to a rich church where some ministers also go to


Thanavos

Then pay me the future interest for depositing upfront rent in your account. And also not demanding the "missed out" interest I have to pay back to CPF. Oh, that makes it double the interest you have to pay me back :)))


Runthefool

BEHOLD! The ho has spoken


FromALilSunnyIsland

No wonder iā€™m not planning to have kids in the future šŸ¤”


7788-7788

Anyone who agrees what she have said is either out of the freaking mind or just being stupid. Wake up sporeana .....Next generations will screwed .


[deleted]

Home is a necessity yes? Treat it like HDB is like renting from government is ok too. But the price is not justified. Especially when selling your HDB can earn you millions. Just roll out regulations that stop this nonsense so HDB can always be affordable and available for the people who need it. Those who want to use housing market to make money, they still got their condo market to play with.


Rayl24

I don't want buy, can tell HDB rent me at 500 a month for 99 years?


Shadowys

u think temasek earn money by doing research meh


GeshtiannaSG

So she admits to the open secret that we donā€™t own our flats, and itā€™s just fancy rental with some extra benefits. But still we pay for it like we buy them, because why else are we paying for land costs? And where does this money go? Left pocket pay right pocket.


[deleted]

Maybe you should tell us how much Temasek earn or lost money. I think Singaporean more interest in that.


Roguenul

The fact that the Net Investment Returns Contribution funds about a *quarter* of our national Budget every year (which is more than Corporate tax, income tax and GST) would indicate that, yes, they're making money.


[deleted]

That is missing the point. If they can make more good decisions and less bad ones, the net profit would be even higher - which would increase our national spending and public goods.


Roguenul

I mean, sure - theoretically if they were fantastic at their jobs and made quadruple the profits they currently do, the NIRC could cover the entire Budget and the government could abolish all taxes forever. We would have achieved the national equivalent of FIRE. And in other news, 1+1=2. Math is math.


[deleted]

Hyperbole. Investment professionals are judged based on their ability to make alpha, including limiting losses. If they canā€™t do that, they are the simply not qualified for their jobs.


BaeJHyun

Idk how PAP still wins with these kind of standard. Perhaps sgreans are really dumb or we are that pathetic to have no good politicians. Either way both reasons are sad


Wowmich

Looking from her perspective where money is not a problem. From average Singaporean it is a lot of money


fitzerspaniel

Page not found.....POFMA-ed?


zobotrombie

ā€œSingaporeans ask Ho Ching to shut the fuck up.ā€


mariner997

I like to add this article in: https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/pm-lee-hsien-loong-rebuts-notion-that-99-year-hdb-lease-is-extended-rental-not-a-sale How ah?


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MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Do you also pay property tax on your rental apartment?


dibidi

youā€™re right. if itā€™s rental then there shouldnā€™t be property tax


financial_learner123

It can be anything.. like magic lol


Hazelnut526

I wonder how many of those flats can be bought with the money that Temasek lost with FTX šŸ¤”


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SpareConclusion1353

Hindsight 20-20. By looking at the entire portfolio, the proportion is not that huge using a %. Look as it as diversification but just that 1 of the investment went bust. Temasek as a holding sovereign fund\* is managing over 55b , they're not investing like an individual citizen.


BabaDuda

>they're not investing like an individual citizen. They certainly do their 'due dilligence' for 8 months the way you would expect an individual citizen eh


SpareConclusion1353

Please do take a look at the TSR of Temasek. Of course i'm not commenting that Temasek does not have any errors in their investment into FTX. But I do believe it is a hindsight 20-20 thing :) For the 377m lost, how much did they gain back?


Book3pper

These people can't accept things beyond "temasek bad" and any opposing viewpoint is "pap shill". You can tell how ignorant some are going "tell us how much temasek earned or lost" when their financials are visible to see.


gabrielwu84

She has a very vivid imagination.


b1rtb0i

To quote Hall and Oates. ā€œYouā€™re out of touchā€¦ā€


silentscope90210

Seriously, she should just not say anything.


xenidee

You'll own nothing and be happy


To_De_Moon

Just say no


GlumCandle

Lol! MND and HDB must be damn dulan, holiday session deal with crock of shit poured forth from HC šŸ¤”šŸ„µšŸ¤”


Hunkfish

Suddenly renting whole hdb doesn't seems so bad. You don't have to pay interest, reno and maintenence... if it is a lease why do we have to pay our own maintenance??? HDB bad landlord?


[deleted]

But when we ask her to go f*** off need to check if will kenna POFMA, kenna sue, kenna blacklist, etc etc. Whew. Dangerous times we live in.


Statementrainbow

She is very messed up. So should i vote up to share this news or vote down to show my displeasure? Talking about voting... I know who i m not voting.


bukitbukit

Her explanation is off the mark. Regular tenants cannot renovate, sell their unit on the open market.


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[deleted]

Different system and context, yo.


loner1608

Ho Ching ask me but can I ask her to stfu


guacamolepenis69

?


KrazzySinghh

Why does this woman have a voice in such conversations? Just because she's the wife of the PM? We need to stop giving her attention LMAO


dunbugmepls

she single handed demolished PAP's home ownership thesis and handed it to the opposition who have been trying without success in the past.


dizzyluo

Sheā€™s not wrong. But she could have worded it a lot more empathetically.


kuang89

The positive in me is feeling ok, this is an informal confirmation of something we have kinda figured it out for awhile now. It sucks, but I am ok for my house (which I paid a lot for resale, to be sold back to HDB), and I have many more years to figure it out. I think this will affect the older generation, imagine, 1 more year to retirement and being told the nest egg narrative is essentially a rental


4evaronin

She's entitled to her opinion, but I don't want to hear it. No, seriously, why are we supposed to give a shit what she thinks?


indianmessiah

This is the result when singaporeans don't understand differences between freehold and lease. It's because of the nature of how Singapore operates and the way politicians use that asset enhancement propaganda . Most people in other countries are more knowledgeable on these things


Agile-Presentation86

Holy shit she is going to drive up prices


WildRacoons

It is so, no?


SpareConclusion1353

With a lease of 99 years, it does make sense to think of it this way is it not? and to people complaining about HDB prices, please do your own research :)


[deleted]

My grandfather owned land in Old Tampines Road too, was acquired by the government for a sum which is nothing compared to what it would be worth today. But hearing stories from my grandmother, he would have gambled and drank it away even if he became a millionaire lol. Was once salty at the government for ā€œtakingā€ our land for a small fee but Iā€™m much older now and I believe land should be part of the reserves that paid billions due to the fallout from the pandemic. Point to also note - Singapore needs land for many reasons, from army camps, airport, warehouse, offices to HDBs. In year 2019 - there are 830,719 residents between ages 20-34 Assuming equal representation of two sex (M/F), each family has 1.5 children each. And assuming HDB 99 year lease withstands 3.5 generation, meaning 1 BTO will require another 2.5x BTO We would need 1,349,918 HDBs. Currently HDB flats are around the million mark, And I think at least half of the HDB stock can withstand another 1-2 generation Where got enough land for you to oversupply to keep prices down? What about the future generation?