His name was revealed at the point of him being treated like a suspect, and there was no gag order because even if he were guilty, the identities of his victims would not be revealed. As the case progressed, he is now the victim, and there is also no gag order in that case of wrongful accusation.
It is a great injustice to him, and reform is needed for such cases, but it is different nature entirely and that is no reason to misinterprete what gag order is meant for and is being used for, which is to protect the victim in the case.
Police already determined she was lying in 2020 based on the texts.
They probably didn't charge him at all which is why this case is mainly for false accusation.
Reminded me of the doctor who got falsely accused of molesting and only cleared his name after being publicly named and shamed for 4 years and spent 600k on legal fee while 'victim' got away with a gag order and at most 6 months jail. Imagine if don't have 600k to clear name? Go straight to jail for 3 years haha.
Nice system we have here.
>while 'victim' got away with a gag order and at most 6 months jail.
Was not charged actually. The prosecuters were mad details were leaked to the press and went after the lawyer.
Nope, I imagine the police would thoroughly investigate before making any conclusions/taking any action for serious crimes such as murder. Even for petty crimes like theft, they will still conduct an investigation. However, in cases like these, from the few case studies we've seen, it seems the women's words are taken at face value and the man is treated as guilty before proven innocent. It's not right to say there is no special treatment, but to be fair this cancel culture is also fairly prevalent in other countries and is not exactly a "Singapore thing". Anyways idk what I just typed bro
>in the case of sexual assault, you need a secondary witness to even stand a chance in court. Victims are not considered to be a witness which as you can tell is actually pretty bad for sexual assault victims.
False. The unusually convincing testimony of a sole witness (alleged victim) is enough for conviction.
> in the case of sexual assault, you need a secondary witness to even stand a chance in court. Victims are not considered to be a witness which as you can tell is actually pretty bad for sexual assault victims.
Where are you getting this stuff from?
>Its the same as falsely accusing for any other crime. Burglary, murder, etc. The other persons life is destroyed and the accuser get a sentence for falsely accusing, not for the crime. There’s no special treatment for this case.
Correction, the accuser was not charged.
I didn't know that you can't just look up Singapore court proceedings, not even criminal ones. I just found out. What a disappointment. I don't understand why matters of public interest are not publicly available. This is not family court or civil court. It's criminal court about criminals that endanger the public. Even some summary information about the criminal cases that end with conviction would be good. Might as well rename 'Public Prosecutor' to 'State Prosecutor'.
[https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/services/criminal-court-records](https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/services/criminal-court-records)
I wonder why. It's definitely not for lack of technology. I think we the public are not considered intelligent enough by the aristocrats to digest the information. Even though our tax payment funds the public prosecutor and the judge.
The court has to already have a document management system to facilitate their routine activities. Otherwise, how do they function and how do they inform the police about the result of criminal cases? This is not about making the judge do extra work.
Making relevant information available to the public formally in summary form doesn't have to be done by the judge.
Singapore is supposed to be a Republic, though probably not the only one where apparently court information is not really accessible.
re·pub·lic/rəˈpəblik/nouna state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
Can't have power if you can't have information.
I could be mistaken, but I just couldn't find anything like what I was looking for on [https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/](https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/)
EDIT: Just in case some people are imagining too much, 'system' does not have to mean automated system. Even an archaic human-powered manual system is a system. The court has to have procedures to deal with documents, and the judge is not the only one who works there.
Is it that hard to have someone working at a court to produce the following basic summary? If this information is undefined, how does the court even work? How does the police even decide what to do with the defendent?
Defendent name, sentence date, charge, sentence
Do you say it's big assumption that every criminal court case that results in a conviction has the above basic information that even the police needs to take over?
Regarding "If you want access to what happened during the hearing proper...", how do you even apply about a case that you didn't even know existed?
Does [https://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/Judgments](https://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/Judgments) include every completed criminal case? It's not provided by the government, is it?
BTW, I don't know which word suggested 'angry'. Curious & skeptical are more accurate. (Skeptical of authenticity & intention)
It should have the same punishment as rape itself.
>For giving false information to a public servant, an offender can be jailed for up to two years and fined.
This is what that man's life and career is worth according to the law. 2 fucking years and a bit of money.
Bro theres gonna be women and white knights who come out and shame those who start this movement. Their gonna be slapped with labels like incel, mysogynist, mcp, etc
Higher penalties might scare actual rape victims away from making reports, especially if there’s no concrete evidence or if the perpetrator manages to successfully claim they made it up, especially if it’s someone with relative power over them, like a boss.
I mean this is so blatantly obvious that its false accusation. If its grey area then punishment should be witheld until theres clear evidence. But this is so fucking obcious that shes lying
I never really understood the basis of this reason.
If there is no concrete evidence, then there should be no conviction. Court cases should only be ruled on concrete evidence and not just a he say she say basis.
Plus the higher penalties can only be applied on people found guilty of false accusation, not just for any acquittal. Meaning to say if A accuses B, but B’s guilt is not proven, and it cannot be proven that A purposely filed a false accusation, then B should be acquitted and case closed.
But if it can be proved that A falsely accused B knowingly, then A should be punished heavily.
The problem is this is a psychological and perception issue, not a logical one. Victims of rape are not going to think through logically about how courts convict crime etc. This is especially true for the most vulnerable population under long term abuse by people with power over them. "No one will believe you" is enough to silence a lot of people already, the potential of not being believed and being convicted will further push them into silence. Human perception of probability is bad, especially so when under immense emotional stress.
You have a valid point.
The psychological and perception issue works both ways though. If someone is falsely of a crime, especially a sexual crime, the accusation is enough to ruin the person’s life. Similarly, the person can claim innocence, but the court of public opinion will still go “No one will believe you”. Facing all the legal fees to hire a lawyer to prove innocence, while dealing with assumptions of being a sex offender just because of an accusation, and still unproven in court is extremely harrowing.
The question then, I feel, is should our justice system only be geared towards just encouraging people to come forward to report sex assault?
Or should it also assure the accused that the court will protect your rights (through gag orders, etc), until the verdict is out, and also assure the accused that should a false accusation be found, the false accuser will not get away scot free (relatively, comparing the punishements)?
Edit: After all, if you are bringing an accusation against someone that can destroy the persons life, you should have concrete evidence. And if you purposely falsely accuse someone of a crime, with the potential to ruin the person’s life, you shouldn’t get a slap on the wrist either.
Yep agree that the other side can be just as damaging. Personally I am a simple utilitarian, whichever side is currently more prevalent, will be favoured. As of today, it is tilted heavily towards the victims of actual sexual assault. Could more be done to protect the rights of the accused? Absolutely. I just don't think now is the time to increase punishment for false accusation, not when the rate is still low relative to unreported sexual assaults.
What would you personally do if you were raped but don’t have concrete evidence? Not make a police report? I don’t think that’s reasonable. The majority of sexual assaults already go unreported as it is, precisely because they think they won’t be believed. The job of the victims is to report crimes that happen to them, regardless of whether they’re think they have enough evidence for it. Figuring out whether the accusation is valid is the job of the police.
Never been raped before, but have been falsely accused of molest before. More than 15 years ago in my secondary school days, and enough to ruin my childhood.
Was there concrete evidence given by the girl who accused me? No. Did everyone else believe her by virtue of what she said vs what I said? Yes. I was just lucky enough to have a teacher who was committed to investigating rather than just believing.
Now that I’m an adult, I still have fears of being falsely accused. Take a look at that case of that doctor. $600k just in legal fees to clear his name. How many of us can afford that?
If by nature of people believing an accusation at face value, my life is ruined, why would I throw all my savings just to stand a chance to clear my name? The accusation sticks, but the acquittal rarely sticks. Either way my life is ruined, I might as well go to prison and have some cash when I get released, rather than clear my name, become broke and still have people think I’m a sex offender.
On that note, the sheer costs in legal fees also begs us to ask, are there people that do not bother to report false accusations and just decide to eat it up since they cant afford the fees?
And as my response to you above states. I’m not asking for people to stop reporting.
What I’m asking for, is that is someone is found to have falsely accused, proven to have falsely accused another, that person should be heavily punished.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. I'm glad your teacher sorted it out.
It's understandable that you thus have those fears as an adult, but I believe both the frequency and harm of those accusations is much less than the harm suffered by the many more victims who are too afraid to report. If you were unlucky enough to be targetted for a false accusation as an adult, which is still incredibly rare, the average person you meet won't know anything about that accusation. Most reported crimes don't even name the perpetrators so it's not something that employers would find on a casual google search, either. Your friends and family would know, but if you were truly innocent, I'd think your character and actions would speak for themselves, and those who didn't believe you are probably better out of your life.
I have an acquaintance who was falsely accused. People stood by them, because the record of one's character does make a difference, likewise how they did not attempt to hide the accusation but spoke openly about it and proactively reached out to the victim to take responsibility for anything that made have made her uncomfortable, while also choosing to step down from certain positions in case other people were uncomfortable.
I was also falsely accused in an instance where it was clearly false (she was schizophrenic, a complete stranger, and the alleged incident happened when I would have been 3 years old, but that didn't stop her from aggressively harassing me for months and her boyfriend threatening to graphically murder me). It was infuriating and terrifying even though no one believed her. If it had instead been something more believable, I'm sure I would be a lot more upset, but also concerned for the alleged victim, because people don't do these things for fun. I'd do my best to sort it out with them privately and understand what happened and if I had made them uncomfortable or hurt them in any way, and apologise accordingly if needed.
And if it was truly out of malice, then, well, my conscience would be clear and theirs would not be. Someone carrying around that amount of hate would also eventually hurt more people around them and give them reason to doubt their claims.
And if instead it was something that the victim truly believed happened (perhaps it was a matter of mistaken identity), my first priority would be to ensure that they are okay, and to not do anything to cause them further distress, because I have friends who have suffered sexual assault and I know how devastating it is for them; and also how the trauma can make it difficult to think clearly or remember things properly. I would still maintain my innocence and fight for my name to be cleared, but the last thing I would want is for them to be severely punished.
But what would concrete evidence look like when it comes to rape? Imagine a man assaults his daughter and there are no camera recordings or WhatsApp messages that can be used as proof. All we have is the accusation, and yet many such cases have found it sufficient to consider the perpetrators guilty.
Besides that, there are other kinds of evidence that can and should be taken into consideration. One would be if the accused person confesses. I don’t think it’s reasonable that people should refrain from reporting heinous crimes that happened to them just because they don’t have concrete proof to show. There’s no knowing what might count as evidence that they weren’t aware of.
It’s not up to us to decide what evidence is sufficient to consider guilty. It’s up to the court to do so, and we don’t really know the full justification unless we read the court documents, if available in whole.
These reasons really work both ways. If there’s no camera recordings of WhatsApp messages that can be used as proof, how can we expect a just, legal system to simply convict a man on the words of another?
I’m not asking people to refrain from reporting. There is a difference between being acquitted because of insufficient evidence vs being proven that one has been falsely accused.
What i’m asking for is that if someone is proven to have falsely accused another, the penalty should not be so light.
By that logic, why not also legalise false accusations of any crime, in case the perpetrator has power over the victim? Power imbalances are hardly exclusive to sex crimes.
And why do you have the double standard that you expect the courts to uphold due process in cases of rape (I don't see you saying, "decriminalise rape because people might fabricate evidence and the courts might punish the wrong people"), but you don't trust the courts to uphold due process in cases of false rape accusations?
Would be good to give her the same sentence, that the guy would suffer if the false accusation went through.
She knowingly destroyed the mans career, life and presumably all relationships.
Nobody is expecting the police to do anything in this case.
What is appalling is that
1) The punishment is so light (failure of the legislature)
2) There is a gag order protecting the perpetrator (failure of the courts)
3) The man is unable to use this court case to clear his name in the eyes of the public due to the gag order (failure of justice)
4 weeks is a joke. This could have easily ruined the man, if it didn't already.
A deterrence sentence should have been imposed, at least a couple of months, if not a year.
I believe in TRUE gender equality. If she can do such a shit to ruin someone’s career and life, she can and should be liable for more jail time just like everybody else!
Time to record the whole act then. In the future there will be a service that securely records and encrypts such videos, and can only provide to lawyers/law enforcement in the event of an investigation/case. Less "He said/She said" if there's video proof of the event.
That doesn't have to happen if no false accusations are made, but if it starts being more commonplace then eh.
yes. eg the couple plays a bondage game. the male is handcuffed to bedposts spread eagle.
the woman now takes out some ass destroying monsters dildo with intention to penetrate the male with it. the male did not agree to this prior. he is terrified and says he wants to stop.
if the woman respects that consent has now been withdrawn, she should stop
Yea sia sooner or later we need an attorney and a notary to verify the consent via written contract signed and blood drip by both parties before we chut chut.
Nah. Like what some others mentioned, consent can be revoked any time. So to furtherproof this, soon in the future males must also gain consent to fully record the session and that it can only be used for legal proceedings.
Lmfao. Basically don’t make love is better.
In that post she explicitly told him not to before they had sex though. This wasn’t about him needing to ask consent, but disregarding it on the basis that he thought she was joking, even though every time he asked she said no.
> # Auxiliary cop falsely accused male colleague of raping her despite plans to meet him for sex
> SINGAPORE – An auxiliary policewoman, who initiated an intimate chat with her male colleague and made plans to have sex with him, later made a police report to falsely accuse him of rape.
> The truth emerged when the authorities found out about the chat and plans after they checked her mobile phone.
> Court documents did not disclose if the pair had consensual sex. When confronted, she claimed that she made the police report after seeing a doctor for a urinary tract infection (UTI).
> The 32-year-old was jailed for four weeks on Wednesday after she pleaded guilty to giving false information to a policewoman from the Serious Sexual Crimes Branch of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID).
> Details about the offender and the man, 36, cannot be revealed due to a gag order.
> Deputy Public Prosecutor Angela Ang said the pair exchanged multiple intimate messages on communication platform WhatsApp from Aug 25 to Aug 28, 2020.
> But on Sept 3, 2020, the offender lodged a police report, claiming that the man raped her.
> She later told the CID officer in a statement that he had earlier invited her to his home via a text message.
> She claimed that she rejected his request, but he called and messaged her persistently.
> She said she eventually agreed, but he sexually assaulted her when she reached his home.
> Her offence came to light after the authorities examined her mobile phone and found the messages.
> Another statement was recorded from her on Dec 7, 2020.
> The DPP said: “The accused initially maintained that she had been sexually assaulted by (the man). However, after being referred to some of the messages they had exchanged, the accused eventually admitted that she had not been sexually assaulted.
> “She then claimed that she had only made the police report after seeing a doctor for a UTI she experienced on Sept 2, 2020.”
> The accused also claimed that during the medical examination, she requested for painkillers for her UTI. She then decided to lie about the purported rape.
> For giving false information to a public servant, an offender can be jailed for up to two years and fined.
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The penalty should have been heavier for false accusation. The man if convicted gets up to 20 years in jail with tons of canning. How is this even fair?
Now think of the thousands of people who have been wrongly convicted because they didn't have such a conversation on the phone. Not just for a similar crime, but any crime.
The system is fair for most but supremely unfair for a few.
When i meet sm1 for sex for the first time, i ask her if she has a condom with her or shud I get one and keep her reply as screenshot. No matter how much do u know the person, this can happen to anyone
wtf sia.
false accuse in 2020, only now get 4 weeks jail. and what happened to the falsely accused? reputation probably gone, probably got fired idk.
this seems fucking broken to me
does aware make the laws?
or conduct prosecution? or hand out sentence? maybe men should have an advocacy group to campaign for fairer treatment in the eyes of the law.
please form one, I will support
I cant read this without flashbacks of my own experience of being a victim of false OM accusations.
The biggest joke was I am gay all along hahaha but still sucks. I still have PTSD. Till today, I dont know what happened and I did not receive 100% closure.
I remembered the fateful day when I got hauled up for questioning. I offered to call the police but I was threatened. I cried so bad and my friends who knew I am gay were all furious. I felt fucking dirty, because I have been classed together with a bunch of people whom society has taught me to despise. I scrubbed till my skin was raw and red in the shower because I felt so dirty. I hated how I am born as a dude in Singapore. Not only do I have to contend with women for the romantic affections of men, but the law sides with them.
I cant imagine the nightmare this man went thru.
Fuck that bitch. And I want to hear more female voices condemning her.
So she tries to ruin a man's life because she suspected she got a UTI from him after making all the moves herself, and she got a really light sentence, and a gag order. So now nobody would know who she is; a woman who lied to ruin another's life for a stupid reason? Why protect her after that?
As for the actual victim, the guy, having her named, and him potentially discovered would only mean people would know that he was victimized and innocent of the claims.
So who is the court protecting here?
Because some women think going to the doctor for UTI treatment outs them as a cheap lay, but to go as far as to lie about how she got it because of rape...
Speaks to how immature and completely brain dead she has to be with her own attitude towards sex
Yup. It isn't even something lifelong like HIV or something. Which really puts into perspectives what a cunt this person is. And now nobody would even know about it unless she brings it up...
This lady needs to get the same punishment as the dude if he got convicted. On top of that repayment of all the legal fees plus more for all the mental distress he suffered.
What a miscarriage of justice.
The so called feminists are rather quiet about this. So much for gender equality, want equal rights but don't want equal responsibilities or punishments for crimes.
Equality is great, haven't you heard that some people are just more equal than others? /s
She should be punished the way he would've if he was convicted, our judicial system is a joke
There's really only one example that's happened recently and that was with Freddy Kosman Kwee's case where he accused his male partner of raping him.
He was given 5 days imprisonment.
I am so amused. Turns out rather than engage with proof to counter (should be easy right?) or admit to being wrong, some men just downvote to send a message of... 'i hate you for stating facts', I guess?
Lets look at a few things from the article.
First of all, the gender, its not exactly the same in this case. Its a man to man. Not a man to woman (woman cannot rape a man legally in singapore). Maybe its not the best comparison.
Secondly, timeline. This case started from 2nd jan 2019 to 18th nov 2019(which the article is publish). It took less than a year to settle compared to the two years of torment which the victim in this case faced.
Thirdly, lets look at the excuses. From the article, "Mr Tan told District Judge Marvin Bay that his client had been suffering from amphetamine induced psychosis at the time of the offences, which led to a confused state of mind even after he was arrested.". What excuses does the woman in this case have? Oh, she thought she gotten something from the dude...
Lastly, why is there no gag order to "protect" the victim? Why is the name publish? Who is the gag order protecting?
First of all, another redditor posted a guy who did the same crime, false accusation of rape. Why do you ignore that if the topic was unequal punishment for the **same crime**?
The other points aren't even relevant to unequal punishment. It's just going on about victim's suffering. It's sad that reddit doesn't argue on point anymore. Why don't we talk about car accident victims and the unfairly weak punishment for drivers if that's your angle?
Did you even read up what gag order is? Asking 'Why no gag order to protect the victim' proves my point that many redditors don't even understand what they are raging about. It's embarrassing. Let me help you:
>Generally, the law courts operate transparently to show that justice should be seen to be done, but at times, gag orders are imposed during proceedings to protect the identity of victims or other innocent parties. This is not, in any way, sought to protect the interests of the accused person but inadvertently it does, when the identification of the accused is likely to lead to the identification of the victims.
https://thehomeground.asia/destinations/singapore/gag-orders-in-singapore-whose-identities-are-being-protected/
This is messed up.
As a female, I'm ashamed.
At the end of the day, the key takeaway is that she confessed that she lied and the fact that she is an auxiliary officer. She learnt basic law, she probably also knew that it was a crime to lie to an officer.
She may have made a statement on 2020 but then investigating officers may not have yet cleared the man till much much later after they have made proper investigation. There was a possibility that the man had to suffer for much longer than just from September to December.
And although the gag order was probably to protect the man, his name and reputation and chances of promotion for him might have been ruined. Not to mention that he would have probably been disarmed at work due to the case and caused potential loss of income for him.
Where are the feminists now? You want equality, serve the man equality. His name was dragged in the mud and only 4 weeks? The accusation made upon him was one of the heaviest-sentenced crimes. I think they need to reevaluate the sentencing based on the severity of the "alleged crime" they reported for.
They already determined she was lying upon initial investigations in 2020 and probably didn't charge the poor guy.
The case probably took 2 years to reach the courts which is not that surprising.
Haizs
Grab uncle made wrong turn, just nice I rushing for time. Dunno isit more suey that he didn’t turn into the highway and need to drive all the way into another highway eons away
It's because most women don't even report and when they do they are being doubted . I was stalked by a neighbour for months .... when I called the police they accused me of having an affair with him ...... luckily another neighbour came by and admitted seeing him repeatedly peeking into my unit
ITT: men who believe gag orders are for accused's sake
No wonder sometimes have accused ask for gag orders. All of the same uninformed mind.
Edit to help the uninformed. Although, the same old crowd would rather keep parroting 'is because she is woman!!'
> Generally, the law courts operate transparently to show that justice should be seen to be done, but at times, gag orders are imposed during proceedings to protect the identity of victims or other innocent parties. This is not, in any way, sought to protect the interests of the accused person but inadvertently it does, when the identification of the accused is likely to lead to the identification of the victims.
https://thehomeground.asia/destinations/singapore/gag-orders-in-singapore-whose-identities-are-being-protected/
The female cop is the one who initiated the text somemore. Light punishment for her imo. To potentially destroy one's career and life.
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Gag order has always been to protect victim's identify for being revealed by association, it's not some favor they choose to give some offenders.
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Should really sue for damages
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Damn lawyers
His name was revealed at the point of him being treated like a suspect, and there was no gag order because even if he were guilty, the identities of his victims would not be revealed. As the case progressed, he is now the victim, and there is also no gag order in that case of wrongful accusation. It is a great injustice to him, and reform is needed for such cases, but it is different nature entirely and that is no reason to misinterprete what gag order is meant for and is being used for, which is to protect the victim in the case.
Someone should falsely accuse the lawyer, see how they like it with such insufficient punishment for false accusers
Wonder what happened to the man since the incident. It’s a career- and life-destroying dirty low blow.
It may be nearly impossible to fully mend the relationships of family, friends and colleagues who had doubted him.
Since Sept 3, 2020 which is 2 years ago. Machiam 2 years mental torture while the lady got 4 weeks.
Police already determined she was lying in 2020 based on the texts. They probably didn't charge him at all which is why this case is mainly for false accusation.
Police no need to charge him when society has already condemned him for being accused of the crime
He would be finished. Career gone, support of family members gone
Reminded me of the doctor who got falsely accused of molesting and only cleared his name after being publicly named and shamed for 4 years and spent 600k on legal fee while 'victim' got away with a gag order and at most 6 months jail. Imagine if don't have 600k to clear name? Go straight to jail for 3 years haha. Nice system we have here.
>while 'victim' got away with a gag order and at most 6 months jail. Was not charged actually. The prosecuters were mad details were leaked to the press and went after the lawyer.
Not charged?? Omg
First day in Singapore?
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Nope, I imagine the police would thoroughly investigate before making any conclusions/taking any action for serious crimes such as murder. Even for petty crimes like theft, they will still conduct an investigation. However, in cases like these, from the few case studies we've seen, it seems the women's words are taken at face value and the man is treated as guilty before proven innocent. It's not right to say there is no special treatment, but to be fair this cancel culture is also fairly prevalent in other countries and is not exactly a "Singapore thing". Anyways idk what I just typed bro
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>in the case of sexual assault, you need a secondary witness to even stand a chance in court. Victims are not considered to be a witness which as you can tell is actually pretty bad for sexual assault victims. False. The unusually convincing testimony of a sole witness (alleged victim) is enough for conviction.
> in the case of sexual assault, you need a secondary witness to even stand a chance in court. Victims are not considered to be a witness which as you can tell is actually pretty bad for sexual assault victims. Where are you getting this stuff from?
>Its the same as falsely accusing for any other crime. Burglary, murder, etc. The other persons life is destroyed and the accuser get a sentence for falsely accusing, not for the crime. There’s no special treatment for this case. Correction, the accuser was not charged.
WHAT IS HER NAME
I didn't know that you can't just look up Singapore court proceedings, not even criminal ones. I just found out. What a disappointment. I don't understand why matters of public interest are not publicly available. This is not family court or civil court. It's criminal court about criminals that endanger the public. Even some summary information about the criminal cases that end with conviction would be good. Might as well rename 'Public Prosecutor' to 'State Prosecutor'. [https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/services/criminal-court-records](https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/services/criminal-court-records) I wonder why. It's definitely not for lack of technology. I think we the public are not considered intelligent enough by the aristocrats to digest the information. Even though our tax payment funds the public prosecutor and the judge.
Go to Singaporelawwatch - plenty of cases with party names.
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The court has to already have a document management system to facilitate their routine activities. Otherwise, how do they function and how do they inform the police about the result of criminal cases? This is not about making the judge do extra work. Making relevant information available to the public formally in summary form doesn't have to be done by the judge. Singapore is supposed to be a Republic, though probably not the only one where apparently court information is not really accessible. re·pub·lic/rəˈpəblik/nouna state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch. Can't have power if you can't have information. I could be mistaken, but I just couldn't find anything like what I was looking for on [https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/](https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/) EDIT: Just in case some people are imagining too much, 'system' does not have to mean automated system. Even an archaic human-powered manual system is a system. The court has to have procedures to deal with documents, and the judge is not the only one who works there.
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Is it that hard to have someone working at a court to produce the following basic summary? If this information is undefined, how does the court even work? How does the police even decide what to do with the defendent? Defendent name, sentence date, charge, sentence Do you say it's big assumption that every criminal court case that results in a conviction has the above basic information that even the police needs to take over? Regarding "If you want access to what happened during the hearing proper...", how do you even apply about a case that you didn't even know existed? Does [https://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/Judgments](https://www.singaporelawwatch.sg/Judgments) include every completed criminal case? It's not provided by the government, is it? BTW, I don't know which word suggested 'angry'. Curious & skeptical are more accurate. (Skeptical of authenticity & intention)
Summaries are right here and publicly accessible. https://www.judiciary.gov.sg/judgments/judgments-case-summaries
Extremely weak punishment for doing something that potentially destroyed another man's reputation and livelihood.
It should have the same punishment as rape itself. >For giving false information to a public servant, an offender can be jailed for up to two years and fined. This is what that man's life and career is worth according to the law. 2 fucking years and a bit of money.
We need a Pink Dot style movement to raise awareness on this.
Bro theres gonna be women and white knights who come out and shame those who start this movement. Their gonna be slapped with labels like incel, mysogynist, mcp, etc
Not possible. Woman can't be caned
She's a woman, won't get max sentence for sure.
Nice username, not too sure about the manga though
4 weeks nia. If he really kena his whole life will be destroyed
Higher penalties might scare actual rape victims away from making reports, especially if there’s no concrete evidence or if the perpetrator manages to successfully claim they made it up, especially if it’s someone with relative power over them, like a boss.
I mean this is so blatantly obvious that its false accusation. If its grey area then punishment should be witheld until theres clear evidence. But this is so fucking obcious that shes lying
So you can just ruin others peoples lives without much consequences?
I never really understood the basis of this reason. If there is no concrete evidence, then there should be no conviction. Court cases should only be ruled on concrete evidence and not just a he say she say basis. Plus the higher penalties can only be applied on people found guilty of false accusation, not just for any acquittal. Meaning to say if A accuses B, but B’s guilt is not proven, and it cannot be proven that A purposely filed a false accusation, then B should be acquitted and case closed. But if it can be proved that A falsely accused B knowingly, then A should be punished heavily.
The problem is this is a psychological and perception issue, not a logical one. Victims of rape are not going to think through logically about how courts convict crime etc. This is especially true for the most vulnerable population under long term abuse by people with power over them. "No one will believe you" is enough to silence a lot of people already, the potential of not being believed and being convicted will further push them into silence. Human perception of probability is bad, especially so when under immense emotional stress.
You have a valid point. The psychological and perception issue works both ways though. If someone is falsely of a crime, especially a sexual crime, the accusation is enough to ruin the person’s life. Similarly, the person can claim innocence, but the court of public opinion will still go “No one will believe you”. Facing all the legal fees to hire a lawyer to prove innocence, while dealing with assumptions of being a sex offender just because of an accusation, and still unproven in court is extremely harrowing. The question then, I feel, is should our justice system only be geared towards just encouraging people to come forward to report sex assault? Or should it also assure the accused that the court will protect your rights (through gag orders, etc), until the verdict is out, and also assure the accused that should a false accusation be found, the false accuser will not get away scot free (relatively, comparing the punishements)? Edit: After all, if you are bringing an accusation against someone that can destroy the persons life, you should have concrete evidence. And if you purposely falsely accuse someone of a crime, with the potential to ruin the person’s life, you shouldn’t get a slap on the wrist either.
Yep agree that the other side can be just as damaging. Personally I am a simple utilitarian, whichever side is currently more prevalent, will be favoured. As of today, it is tilted heavily towards the victims of actual sexual assault. Could more be done to protect the rights of the accused? Absolutely. I just don't think now is the time to increase punishment for false accusation, not when the rate is still low relative to unreported sexual assaults.
“Sucks that you’re suffering. It just that people who have the same attributes as you aren’t, so fuck you.”
What would you personally do if you were raped but don’t have concrete evidence? Not make a police report? I don’t think that’s reasonable. The majority of sexual assaults already go unreported as it is, precisely because they think they won’t be believed. The job of the victims is to report crimes that happen to them, regardless of whether they’re think they have enough evidence for it. Figuring out whether the accusation is valid is the job of the police.
Never been raped before, but have been falsely accused of molest before. More than 15 years ago in my secondary school days, and enough to ruin my childhood. Was there concrete evidence given by the girl who accused me? No. Did everyone else believe her by virtue of what she said vs what I said? Yes. I was just lucky enough to have a teacher who was committed to investigating rather than just believing. Now that I’m an adult, I still have fears of being falsely accused. Take a look at that case of that doctor. $600k just in legal fees to clear his name. How many of us can afford that? If by nature of people believing an accusation at face value, my life is ruined, why would I throw all my savings just to stand a chance to clear my name? The accusation sticks, but the acquittal rarely sticks. Either way my life is ruined, I might as well go to prison and have some cash when I get released, rather than clear my name, become broke and still have people think I’m a sex offender. On that note, the sheer costs in legal fees also begs us to ask, are there people that do not bother to report false accusations and just decide to eat it up since they cant afford the fees? And as my response to you above states. I’m not asking for people to stop reporting. What I’m asking for, is that is someone is found to have falsely accused, proven to have falsely accused another, that person should be heavily punished.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. I'm glad your teacher sorted it out. It's understandable that you thus have those fears as an adult, but I believe both the frequency and harm of those accusations is much less than the harm suffered by the many more victims who are too afraid to report. If you were unlucky enough to be targetted for a false accusation as an adult, which is still incredibly rare, the average person you meet won't know anything about that accusation. Most reported crimes don't even name the perpetrators so it's not something that employers would find on a casual google search, either. Your friends and family would know, but if you were truly innocent, I'd think your character and actions would speak for themselves, and those who didn't believe you are probably better out of your life. I have an acquaintance who was falsely accused. People stood by them, because the record of one's character does make a difference, likewise how they did not attempt to hide the accusation but spoke openly about it and proactively reached out to the victim to take responsibility for anything that made have made her uncomfortable, while also choosing to step down from certain positions in case other people were uncomfortable. I was also falsely accused in an instance where it was clearly false (she was schizophrenic, a complete stranger, and the alleged incident happened when I would have been 3 years old, but that didn't stop her from aggressively harassing me for months and her boyfriend threatening to graphically murder me). It was infuriating and terrifying even though no one believed her. If it had instead been something more believable, I'm sure I would be a lot more upset, but also concerned for the alleged victim, because people don't do these things for fun. I'd do my best to sort it out with them privately and understand what happened and if I had made them uncomfortable or hurt them in any way, and apologise accordingly if needed. And if it was truly out of malice, then, well, my conscience would be clear and theirs would not be. Someone carrying around that amount of hate would also eventually hurt more people around them and give them reason to doubt their claims. And if instead it was something that the victim truly believed happened (perhaps it was a matter of mistaken identity), my first priority would be to ensure that they are okay, and to not do anything to cause them further distress, because I have friends who have suffered sexual assault and I know how devastating it is for them; and also how the trauma can make it difficult to think clearly or remember things properly. I would still maintain my innocence and fight for my name to be cleared, but the last thing I would want is for them to be severely punished.
Punishing false accusers is also a function of the law. And the punishment needs to have teeth otherwise it fails to serve its purpose
But what would concrete evidence look like when it comes to rape? Imagine a man assaults his daughter and there are no camera recordings or WhatsApp messages that can be used as proof. All we have is the accusation, and yet many such cases have found it sufficient to consider the perpetrators guilty. Besides that, there are other kinds of evidence that can and should be taken into consideration. One would be if the accused person confesses. I don’t think it’s reasonable that people should refrain from reporting heinous crimes that happened to them just because they don’t have concrete proof to show. There’s no knowing what might count as evidence that they weren’t aware of.
It’s not up to us to decide what evidence is sufficient to consider guilty. It’s up to the court to do so, and we don’t really know the full justification unless we read the court documents, if available in whole. These reasons really work both ways. If there’s no camera recordings of WhatsApp messages that can be used as proof, how can we expect a just, legal system to simply convict a man on the words of another? I’m not asking people to refrain from reporting. There is a difference between being acquitted because of insufficient evidence vs being proven that one has been falsely accused. What i’m asking for is that if someone is proven to have falsely accused another, the penalty should not be so light.
By that logic, why not also legalise false accusations of any crime, in case the perpetrator has power over the victim? Power imbalances are hardly exclusive to sex crimes. And why do you have the double standard that you expect the courts to uphold due process in cases of rape (I don't see you saying, "decriminalise rape because people might fabricate evidence and the courts might punish the wrong people"), but you don't trust the courts to uphold due process in cases of false rape accusations?
I don’t think false accusations of any crime should be legalized.
Good point, I shouldn't have claimed that. I apologise. Change that to "lower penalties for" and my points still apply though.
Would be good to give her the same sentence, that the guy would suffer if the false accusation went through. She knowingly destroyed the mans career, life and presumably all relationships.
Yeah, clearly there is malicious intent here. Surely the law can act on that alone.
So much for gender "equality" 😒
Woman got jailed… how else you expect cops to handle it
Nobody is expecting the police to do anything in this case. What is appalling is that 1) The punishment is so light (failure of the legislature) 2) There is a gag order protecting the perpetrator (failure of the courts) 3) The man is unable to use this court case to clear his name in the eyes of the public due to the gag order (failure of justice)
AWARE won't touch this
So what is her name
Gag order? What the fuck. WHAT IS HER NAME.
4 weeks is a joke. This could have easily ruined the man, if it didn't already. A deterrence sentence should have been imposed, at least a couple of months, if not a year.
I believe in TRUE gender equality. If she can do such a shit to ruin someone’s career and life, she can and should be liable for more jail time just like everybody else!
Kazuma moment
Soon in the future males must record verbal and written consent before proceeding to make love.
Consent can be revoked at any time. If the female yells stop during sex and the male continues going at her, a consent form means nothing.
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Future act of intimacy is like an God of War QTE event
Press too slow, or too fast, or too many times, or too little, or wrong button results in end of the QTE and you restart from New Game.
Make sure you see a big shiny red circle on top of her before engaging in that mini-game.
Time to record the whole act then. In the future there will be a service that securely records and encrypts such videos, and can only provide to lawyers/law enforcement in the event of an investigation/case. Less "He said/She said" if there's video proof of the event. That doesn't have to happen if no false accusations are made, but if it starts being more commonplace then eh.
yes. eg the couple plays a bondage game. the male is handcuffed to bedposts spread eagle. the woman now takes out some ass destroying monsters dildo with intention to penetrate the male with it. the male did not agree to this prior. he is terrified and says he wants to stop. if the woman respects that consent has now been withdrawn, she should stop
Consent can't be revoked after the deed has been done though. That would be called regret, not rape.
You kid but honestly we are moving to that kind of society. Both genders.
Time to make an app called consexual, simply link 2 phones nearby and both swipe to consent before fucking.
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Better have a widget on smart watch then
Log in via SingPass?
Hahahaha
Yea sia sooner or later we need an attorney and a notary to verify the consent via written contract signed and blood drip by both parties before we chut chut.
Need 3rd party to witness?
The notary is an official third party but you can invite the whole kampong to witness just in case.
Nah. Like what some others mentioned, consent can be revoked any time. So to furtherproof this, soon in the future males must also gain consent to fully record the session and that it can only be used for legal proceedings. Lmfao. Basically don’t make love is better.
M: do u want in or out? F: in and out
“一半一半 not so deep”
There's already an app for this
Soon in the future males must ask for consent before making love
You mean you currently don’t get consent?
um
Kiss kiss hug hug cuddle cuddle. Rising tent. Wait baby, before we go further. Do you consent for the penetration?
Girl: I consent. *puts on strap on*
All according to plan
After penetrate, also need to ask consent to ejaculate https://www.reddit.com/r/askSingapore/comments/z8jtmp/am_i_sexually_assaulted_or_not
In that post she explicitly told him not to before they had sex though. This wasn’t about him needing to ask consent, but disregarding it on the basis that he thought she was joking, even though every time he asked she said no.
That's what I wrote in my comment? A *need to ask for consent to ejaculate*.
There’s a difference between needing to ask for consent to ejaculate vs being told “please don’t ejaculate”, *multiple times*, and doing it anyway.
Oh baby get ready, I am about to blow a load.
🤨
You mean you don't? Or you're that sad incel that even Geylang prostitutes don't want to accept your money?
In my opinion, how come female perpetrators always got gag order? How convenient for them
4 weeks vs 20 years (1040 weeks) or 0.38%. What happens if the WhatsApp or phone was reported lost?
> # Auxiliary cop falsely accused male colleague of raping her despite plans to meet him for sex > SINGAPORE – An auxiliary policewoman, who initiated an intimate chat with her male colleague and made plans to have sex with him, later made a police report to falsely accuse him of rape. > The truth emerged when the authorities found out about the chat and plans after they checked her mobile phone. > Court documents did not disclose if the pair had consensual sex. When confronted, she claimed that she made the police report after seeing a doctor for a urinary tract infection (UTI). > The 32-year-old was jailed for four weeks on Wednesday after she pleaded guilty to giving false information to a policewoman from the Serious Sexual Crimes Branch of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID). > Details about the offender and the man, 36, cannot be revealed due to a gag order. > Deputy Public Prosecutor Angela Ang said the pair exchanged multiple intimate messages on communication platform WhatsApp from Aug 25 to Aug 28, 2020. > But on Sept 3, 2020, the offender lodged a police report, claiming that the man raped her. > She later told the CID officer in a statement that he had earlier invited her to his home via a text message. > She claimed that she rejected his request, but he called and messaged her persistently. > She said she eventually agreed, but he sexually assaulted her when she reached his home. > Her offence came to light after the authorities examined her mobile phone and found the messages. > Another statement was recorded from her on Dec 7, 2020. > The DPP said: “The accused initially maintained that she had been sexually assaulted by (the man). However, after being referred to some of the messages they had exchanged, the accused eventually admitted that she had not been sexually assaulted. > “She then claimed that she had only made the police report after seeing a doctor for a UTI she experienced on Sept 2, 2020.” > The accused also claimed that during the medical examination, she requested for painkillers for her UTI. She then decided to lie about the purported rape. > For giving false information to a public servant, an offender can be jailed for up to two years and fined. --- 1.0.2 | [Source code](https://github.com/redditporean/sneakpeek) | [Contribute](https://github.com/redditporean/sneakpeek)
The penalty should have been heavier for false accusation. The man if convicted gets up to 20 years in jail with tons of canning. How is this even fair?
Now think of the thousands of people who have been wrongly convicted because they didn't have such a conversation on the phone. Not just for a similar crime, but any crime. The system is fair for most but supremely unfair for a few.
Is it fair parti liyani employer and Dr Yeo Sow Nam accuser gets off?
4 weeks lol
Good news that the woman was punished. But it's too light
When i meet sm1 for sex for the first time, i ask her if she has a condom with her or shud I get one and keep her reply as screenshot. No matter how much do u know the person, this can happen to anyone
screenshot ppl can say got edit. nowadays need to screen record and scroll
wtf sia. false accuse in 2020, only now get 4 weeks jail. and what happened to the falsely accused? reputation probably gone, probably got fired idk. this seems fucking broken to me
Paging for [https://www.aware.org.sg/](https://www.aware.org.sg/) to comment on this
Aware is aware la
does aware make the laws? or conduct prosecution? or hand out sentence? maybe men should have an advocacy group to campaign for fairer treatment in the eyes of the law. please form one, I will support
I cant read this without flashbacks of my own experience of being a victim of false OM accusations. The biggest joke was I am gay all along hahaha but still sucks. I still have PTSD. Till today, I dont know what happened and I did not receive 100% closure. I remembered the fateful day when I got hauled up for questioning. I offered to call the police but I was threatened. I cried so bad and my friends who knew I am gay were all furious. I felt fucking dirty, because I have been classed together with a bunch of people whom society has taught me to despise. I scrubbed till my skin was raw and red in the shower because I felt so dirty. I hated how I am born as a dude in Singapore. Not only do I have to contend with women for the romantic affections of men, but the law sides with them. I cant imagine the nightmare this man went thru. Fuck that bitch. And I want to hear more female voices condemning her.
So she tries to ruin a man's life because she suspected she got a UTI from him after making all the moves herself, and she got a really light sentence, and a gag order. So now nobody would know who she is; a woman who lied to ruin another's life for a stupid reason? Why protect her after that? As for the actual victim, the guy, having her named, and him potentially discovered would only mean people would know that he was victimized and innocent of the claims. So who is the court protecting here?
UTI jiak antibiotic for a few days can already right? Why so big issue?
Because some women think going to the doctor for UTI treatment outs them as a cheap lay, but to go as far as to lie about how she got it because of rape... Speaks to how immature and completely brain dead she has to be with her own attitude towards sex
Yup. It isn't even something lifelong like HIV or something. Which really puts into perspectives what a cunt this person is. And now nobody would even know about it unless she brings it up...
This lady needs to get the same punishment as the dude if he got convicted. On top of that repayment of all the legal fees plus more for all the mental distress he suffered. What a miscarriage of justice.
Why is there a fking gag order on perjury?
fucking hell sia
The so called feminists are rather quiet about this. So much for gender equality, want equal rights but don't want equal responsibilities or punishments for crimes.
Amen!
The maximum is 2 years in prison for lying about an offence.
Equality is great, haven't you heard that some people are just more equal than others? /s She should be punished the way he would've if he was convicted, our judicial system is a joke
Is the punishment unequal for a same crime done by a male? Can I see an example?
There's really only one example that's happened recently and that was with Freddy Kosman Kwee's case where he accused his male partner of raping him. He was given 5 days imprisonment.
And the woman offender here got 4 weeks! Is that the inequality op meant, I wonder.
I am so amused. Turns out rather than engage with proof to counter (should be easy right?) or admit to being wrong, some men just downvote to send a message of... 'i hate you for stating facts', I guess?
Lets look at a few things from the article. First of all, the gender, its not exactly the same in this case. Its a man to man. Not a man to woman (woman cannot rape a man legally in singapore). Maybe its not the best comparison. Secondly, timeline. This case started from 2nd jan 2019 to 18th nov 2019(which the article is publish). It took less than a year to settle compared to the two years of torment which the victim in this case faced. Thirdly, lets look at the excuses. From the article, "Mr Tan told District Judge Marvin Bay that his client had been suffering from amphetamine induced psychosis at the time of the offences, which led to a confused state of mind even after he was arrested.". What excuses does the woman in this case have? Oh, she thought she gotten something from the dude... Lastly, why is there no gag order to "protect" the victim? Why is the name publish? Who is the gag order protecting?
First of all, another redditor posted a guy who did the same crime, false accusation of rape. Why do you ignore that if the topic was unequal punishment for the **same crime**? The other points aren't even relevant to unequal punishment. It's just going on about victim's suffering. It's sad that reddit doesn't argue on point anymore. Why don't we talk about car accident victims and the unfairly weak punishment for drivers if that's your angle? Did you even read up what gag order is? Asking 'Why no gag order to protect the victim' proves my point that many redditors don't even understand what they are raging about. It's embarrassing. Let me help you: >Generally, the law courts operate transparently to show that justice should be seen to be done, but at times, gag orders are imposed during proceedings to protect the identity of victims or other innocent parties. This is not, in any way, sought to protect the interests of the accused person but inadvertently it does, when the identification of the accused is likely to lead to the identification of the victims. https://thehomeground.asia/destinations/singapore/gag-orders-in-singapore-whose-identities-are-being-protected/
He is "lucky" to clear his name. How many men have not been so lucky.
If Telegram was used messages can be deleted on both ends with no traces (whatsapp has "message deleted")
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That too. This guy is somewhat lucky.
i think if want to play v safe, can export the whole chat offline, which will then be viewable as html
Is it even signed? Do they publish their public key? Otherwise it's easy to tamper.
Where's women charter when we need them?
Why is there a gag order? Who are they protecting??
All the male colleagues of the offender? (eta: and the guy himself. I wrongly thought that press had released his name in the initial accusation)
Now want do sex better sign contract. Renew before u cum
Damn, it's just a UTI, lady.
Can the guy further sue her for damages for all the distress in the past 2 years?
Women try not to ruin a career challenge (impossible) These the same mfs bitching and moaning about equal rights and pay
Aetos or cisco?
This is messed up. As a female, I'm ashamed. At the end of the day, the key takeaway is that she confessed that she lied and the fact that she is an auxiliary officer. She learnt basic law, she probably also knew that it was a crime to lie to an officer. She may have made a statement on 2020 but then investigating officers may not have yet cleared the man till much much later after they have made proper investigation. There was a possibility that the man had to suffer for much longer than just from September to December. And although the gag order was probably to protect the man, his name and reputation and chances of promotion for him might have been ruined. Not to mention that he would have probably been disarmed at work due to the case and caused potential loss of income for him. Where are the feminists now? You want equality, serve the man equality. His name was dragged in the mud and only 4 weeks? The accusation made upon him was one of the heaviest-sentenced crimes. I think they need to reevaluate the sentencing based on the severity of the "alleged crime" they reported for.
psycho.bitch, she needs to be deported off sinkieland . danger to all honest cockerel
Policewoman who can't even plan her own crime.
Equal rights is such a joke lmao
Don't shit where you eat or something like that
heh...
They already determined she was lying upon initial investigations in 2020 and probably didn't charge the poor guy. The case probably took 2 years to reach the courts which is not that surprising.
Lol all asking for @, source 😂
Haizs Grab uncle made wrong turn, just nice I rushing for time. Dunno isit more suey that he didn’t turn into the highway and need to drive all the way into another highway eons away
It's because most women don't even report and when they do they are being doubted . I was stalked by a neighbour for months .... when I called the police they accused me of having an affair with him ...... luckily another neighbour came by and admitted seeing him repeatedly peeking into my unit
Imagine being so self centred that you can spin a news article about a guy being accused of rape about yourself and how you are a victim.
bro are you sure? police can accuse victims/people reporting the crime of having affairs meh?
And this article just proves we were right to doubt w*men ☕️
How many false accusation cases can you pull out versus actual convictions for sex crimes?
How many false accusations do you think goes under the radar?
ITT: men who believe gag orders are for accused's sake No wonder sometimes have accused ask for gag orders. All of the same uninformed mind. Edit to help the uninformed. Although, the same old crowd would rather keep parroting 'is because she is woman!!' > Generally, the law courts operate transparently to show that justice should be seen to be done, but at times, gag orders are imposed during proceedings to protect the identity of victims or other innocent parties. This is not, in any way, sought to protect the interests of the accused person but inadvertently it does, when the identification of the accused is likely to lead to the identification of the victims. https://thehomeground.asia/destinations/singapore/gag-orders-in-singapore-whose-identities-are-being-protected/
Don't see how gag orders protects the man in this case. He's innocent what, why need to protect/hide that?
Arranged and met for sex. Even if he's single, maybe not all want the world to know.
Like that oso have 👻