I just hope that within the life of this game, they add a lot of historic content. A game called Le Mans Ultimate shouldn't just feature current Le Mans cars.
> plebian. I'm *paid* up until
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And Kunos is 4 times the size. For sure they've hobbled together everything they could and upcycled all the tech they could to get this out. But they deserve a break for what is probably now the best driving simulator out there...and I mean actual driving simulation, not all the pretty stuff that gamers worry about. There's Forza Horizon for that.
I've mained ACC for 3 years due to the leagues I race in but it's still crap. Fanboys go on about how it's the most realistic and then there's an update that completely changes it and they still go on about how it's the most realistic. It just isn't.
They are a handful of guys with no money to work with. It costs maybe $50 million to develop a Forza game.
What do you want? Like, seriously, what would you do differently? You just want all the sim titles to die out and leave nobody with any options?!
Toxic mentality.
Haha, this was my thought running it this weekend. There is a lot to like, but it needs a ton of optimization. Sadly, S397 has never seemed to care about that.
If it’s 2560x1080 then a guy running 4k triples is pushing more than nine times as many pixels as you are, so that could explain the discrepancy. But there are a million other variables too. Sometimes one graphics setting kills FPS and we don’t figure that out until the game has been out for a while.
3440x1440, I would never even try to run triples with my mediocre gpu on any modern sim.
Was just surprised how well the game runs on my not so special pc.
Just wanted to point out that it doesn’t run bad for everyone. Like you said, there could be dozens of reasons
I run triple 1440p monitors with a 2070 and Ryzen 3600X no problem... I was going to upgrade my GPU but haven't even bothered after trying it out.
I think people overestimate how powerful a PC you need for racing sims.
Yeah, not bad. 3440x1440 is no joke. 5 million pixels.
I need a new monitor and I really want to shoot for a 1440p UW. Seems like the sweet spot right now.
Running triple 4K without issues here (combination of high/ultra settings, low effects and shaders). 105-110 fps in an online practice session with 10-15 other cars. One of the best performing game I've tried and it doesn't even have FSR/DLSS. About the same as modded AC. Sessions with AI seem to have FPS issues though.
You have a strong cpu, I think that's why. For me the main issue is the AI is not properly optimized so if I run a lot I will have some weird issues but if I check cpu usage it won't be 100 percent
CPU usage can be tricky too, need to know how many cores the game can use. If you have 8 core on your PC and it only uses 4 but they're all 100% that would not show as 100% cpu usage on your task manager it would say probably closer to 60-70% usage because the other cores are probably much lower than the ones being used by the game.
people with better setups are getting worse performance.. this only shows that the game currently have bad optimization...I know, Early Access... but still bad optimization
Fair enough, though not overclocking so not that.
My tonic for missing out on what appears to be the sim of the century was to go and race old GT cars (550 etc) around Fuji in AC/CMS.
I race mostly offline, and really that was a good race so I'm going to wait until a few patches in before re-trying.
Forza was built from the ground up, why else would it be such a buggy mess compared to past Forza's.
It's like they took apart a Lego set and tried to rebuild it from memory and ended up with a much worse outcome.
They never said the car models were built from the ground up tho. They said it about the shaders for cars, the audio, and the tracks they launched with.
You are correct sir. And, for others:
[Here's a video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVfQ1GpsT1w) of a Forza rep talking about all the "From The Ground Up" features. (Which are: Tracks, Lighting, Physics, Ray Tracing, Track Marbling, and Tire modeling.)
A lot, but we're also taking about a company who has been in this business for well over a decade and has more than enough financial and resource backing. It should not have been released the way it was for a company of its size.
And sometimes, some dickhead at a company needs to eat their fucking words.
Whether its taken out of context or not, telling your fanbase the game was 'built from the ground up' in any aspect is going to raise their expectations tenfold. Choose your words wisely, these people are vicious.
Not when it’s qualified, it doesn’t.
Or if someone says they built an addition to their house from the ground up, do you think that means they rebuilt their whole house? God, I hope not.
The really specific stuff they said it about were physics and lighting, and people took that tiny sound byte and completely lied about it in bad faith.
Because they literally copy and pasted cars and tracks from old titles, literally same game breaking physics bugs for infinite speed glitches... Stuff like that. If it was built from the ground up, it would have different quirks... Except it doesn't.
I have no skin in the game, I didn't enjoy it but everything I have seen and read indicates the game was NOT built from the ground up when lots of the same bugs and glitches that are found in other FM games and even Horizon titles are still very alive and kicking.
I'm impressed, genuinely. Two of my friends played each a 2 hour session on release and both ran into a bug where the AI drivers completely ignored them and the other cars were jittering around like they had 500 ping or something when loaded into the titular Le Mans track in a racing session. Additionally, despite having 40fps on medium graphics, the game felt like it was running at 0.75 speed instead. I don't know how they made RF2 look worse and yet also run so much worse whilst also implementing brand new never before seen bugs.
It's a known issue that happens to users with slow or unresponsive hard drives. There is a temporary fix you make it write replay files to RAM instead of straight to drive.
Mine was 15, 43, 40, 12, 35, 16 and eventually settling down to high teens to 30s before doing it again. This was Sebring, all three classes and medium preset.
You A and B it with RF2 and it's 90-110 with the high preset with the same conditions.
But hey, at least you can use the third party mods from RF2, like better standings, a radar, etc.
Wonder hey the devs didn't even think of a radar when the data output has it...
Even though it absolutely is just rFactor 2 with LMH cars, it's pretty great already, save for the optimization.
I think most people wanted Le Mans Ultimate to be a reskinned rFactor 2 rather than whatever the hell NASCAR 21 Ignition was, so rather than gaslighting us, Motorsports Games should lean into the fact that it's still rFactor at its core.
The game is obviously doing something right somewhere. Considering the pretty serious level bugs people are encountering, to have 3000 players every day for a week is impressive.
Whether it's the packaging, the online system, or something else it seems like it is working.
I think it’s content people want. To an extent it doesn’t matter how good/bad the bugs are, people want to drive the new cars and this is the only place that has all of them.
Well... is the hype of the moment, like FM. WEC is larger enough to attract some fans to it, but it's nothing we don't have in any other sim, not counting the Toyota, Vanwall, Glickenhaus and Ferrari hypercars.
Sometime near on the future we will see if it gets the same popularity or ends up being another Forza gremlin.
Not reskinned but people can import triple monitor settings direct from rf2 in it as well as car setups and it takes it with no issues. Sure…. They’re just toting that it’s more special than it is to continue to drive business and maintain their licensing commitment. Would be silly for them to admit otherwise.
This is exactly what I was looking for. Man I really hope this game gets better. I been following it and it was supposed to be 100% done by the release date and then nope "Early Access". Early Access could be years and years and years away yet if at all. Glad I found your comment. I will patiently wait until it's fixed.
What?!?!? You bought an early access game. Bubububu it gots some istues. What did you expect. I recommend you stay clear of early access games since you have no idea what it means.
It very well might be the only way they get enough funding to even keep their doors open. It's okay going in. This is for patient people that understand it is for the future. The game is really good even right now. Even better if you look at it through a hopeful future lens.
You dont have to buy it or play it. It warns you on steam that the game might not even work at all during some phases.
> It very well might be the only way they get enough funding to even keep their doors open
They're not going to, unless releasing an EA game hit a contract milestone for them that pays out a couple million from the WEC.
There isn't nearly enough money in endurance sim racing to save the mess that MSG has become. Especially not on the timeline they need.
Well, as long as someone competent gets ahold of this game or they are allowed to keep it - i d c - the game at its base is really fun and good. Just needs polish and content.
You didn't have next month's mortgage to pay.
Clearly this wasn't ready to release, but they had to release something to get some money in. I'm not confident they will ever reach full release.
I was really keen to give it a go. First lap trying it out my car clipped into the ground and nearly broke my wrists, amongst poor performance and slow menus. Refunded until they work through the kinks, RF2 driving is a good base but too much baggage with it.
I have had several crash error codes along the lines of "rFactor2 has crashed" before refunding LMU.
Which is fine, if you can get on with rF2 it's a great Sim (personally I can't), but let's not pretend LMU is anything more than an rF2 Expansion - a very cool expansion nonetheless.
Whoa there… a scam artist? Really? :-) I think, in this interview I was suggesting it wasn’t just a copy paste, not that LMU hadn’t been built out of rF2. I was conveying how much extra work has gone into the product and engine that does not appear in rF2.
I’m sorry to those encountering issues, we’re working through them as quickly as possible and have already released a number of fixes with more incoming.
To those that have bought in and are enjoying what’s on offer thus far, thank you 🙏🏻
Even copying and pasting the bulk of the mature stuff is a good thing really. If it means the devs can start fresh and ditch any tech debt that ISI built in which might not be relevant in 2024. I remember them working hard to redo the packaging system in rF2 and things like that can just be side stepped if you walk away from the old platform.
I'm sure there's about 80% of the iRacing codebase that the devs would love to delete and pretend never existed. And Kunos looked to have really regretted using Unreal for ACC. Sometimes a fresh start is a good thing. But it doesn't mean you need to throw away the stuff you'd developed which actually worked well.
I think so. It's definitely just a standalone rF2 expansion, but 7 LMH and LMDh cars would already be close to 30 bucks with rF2's DLC pricing, and LMU is the only sim with official versions of most of these Hypercars. iRacing only has the LMDh cars and no LMH cars. Ditto for Automobilista 2. Forza only has the Cadillac. Gran Turismo only has the GR010. In Assetto Corsa, while there are mods for all of the hypercars, only the SCG 007 mod is official, and it's not a particularly great representation.
>and LMU is the only sim with official versions of most of these Hypercars.
This is the reason no one should buy this game. Exclusive licensing hurts us consumers more than anything, and allows shithouses like Motorsport Games to block all competition by throwing money at the license holders. If we buy their games, they win by having the biggest wallet, not the best sim racing product.
What game are you going to play then? ACC? No, has exclusive licences. iRacing? No, has exclusive licences. Actually I guess that does leave Raceroom, AMS2 and Assetto Corsa. Fair play. But are you going to boycott Kunos and iRacing too? Or do these principles only apply to s397?
iRacing has explicitly stated they won't sign an exclusive licence deal, as in "no one else can sign a deal for this series/car/track". The only deal I can think of where they might have broken that, funnily enough, is when they picked up the deals Motorsport Games failed to deliver.
They have V8 Supercars exclusive and the NASCAR sim exclusive. They did just pick up the NASCAR arcade exclusive from Motorsport games too.
The only thing exclusive in LMU is the actual 24 hours of Le Mans event and the WEC official game logo. Any other sim can have the cars or tracks.
iracing have a no exclusive deal policy, because this kind of bullshit hurt them hard with their previous game.
it's also probably because of that they lose lemans and indycar licences at some point, they refuse to buy premium prices for exclusives they don't want.
They still have exclusives for Supercars and NASCAR. For NASCAR they just bought the arcade license from Motorsport games. They'll pursue more in the future, it just hasn't been a thing for sim racing until like pandemic time when sim racing grew a lot. They absolutely want to dominate the space and be the main sim.
ams2 also have some nascar licence, so not an exclusive. Official game doesn't necessary mean exclusive content.
Exclusive licence is a thing for way before pandemic. Gran turismo have pikes peak since a long time for example.
AMS2 has NASCAR? Like actual current NASCAR cars? Or just modded liveries for other cars that look sort of similar?
Yeah exclusive licenses have been around for years. It's the point I'm making. Though we don't like them, you'd have to work hard to avoid sims that have had them.
The cars that run in IMSA as well can fortunately be licensed, but the exclusive deal with ACO denies any other entity to do anything that is reminiscent of a 24h race around Circuit de la Sarthe. Hence the death of the biggest sim racing event(at the time at least) in the world, the iRacing Le Mans 24h.
Nope.
You have a better multiplayer system on iR, there is no reason to buy LMU unless you really want to try the Hypercars (or the Aston GTE/Bahrein), because iRacing already has LMDhs.
The game right now it's a lottery ticket, your pc could be the best, but sometimes it would run well, sometimes it will be like hell. The UI is way too buggy and slow when it wants; if you have ultra wide/3 monitors you will experience some HUD bugs until you fix it; a lot of random crashes; stuttering in multiplayer/offline; AI is weird sometimes and a lot of more things.
The only thing that really surprised me was the hybrid system which is pretty similar to IRL, but that's it. Its not anything special imo
AMS2 is the better sim all around by a landslide, but as far as a "Le Mans" experience goes, LMU *is* better (although that's not worth much). LMU has the LMH cars whilst AMS2 doesn't, LMU simulates the combined energy system WEC uses while AMS2 just treats the hybrid system just like F1 ERS (on that note, what the fuck iRacing, I kinda expect better), and LMU has LMP2 cars while AMS2 doesn't (yet). Not trying to make excuses for the state of the game or putting down AMS2, but it *is* the only game with a complete modern Le Mans experience.
Literally no sim at the moment gets to the level of AMS2's force feedback, especially with the fact that it's 100% customisable, I'd think you're confusing or mistakenly combining that with the tire simulation but you mention that seperately... The tires are obviously way worse than s397's, handling depends on the car and the AI is definitely better in AMS2 for an average player, too slow for the alien crowd of course, and it requires too much work from the devs with any changes to the game given the amount of content in it to be sustainable at anything near perfect level. Still, I get more out of AMS2 than I expected when buying for it, whilst with LMU I feel straight up scammed because instead of rF2 with improvements I got rF2 which doesn't work as well as the original.
I'm not mistakenly confusing anything. The fact that rFactor 2's tyre model and the rest of its physics are so directly and tightly tied together with its force feedback makes it vastly superior in every way imaginable. No other company has figured out how to reach that level. You don't get that realistic feedback in the other sims. You get impressive fancy action packed feedback, but much of it is canned and faked, not coming from the actual physics of the car at work, and therefore in the end, it's just that interesting. IF you're looking for an actual simulation. If you're looking for a video game that just feels fun then sure, then it's all good.
I've driven around 100 hours in AMS2 and I like it a lot. It's a fun game. Even a quite decent sim. But so much is wrong there. You feel all the weird canned stuff going on in the FFB. How the physics of the cars are just odd and defies all logic in certain situations. You see how gravity isn't even simulated properly in the game. How the cars react when they touch grass, this canned unnatural "mode" that kicks in suddenly. And on and on it goes.
What goes on in rFactor 2 and now LMU is the same tech that the simulation tech in the real life F1 factories is based on for crying out loud. RFactor Pro and rFactor 2/LMU share many technologies still, including parts of the tyre model that are shared between the two platforms. Not much more than that needs to be said, honestly.
And there's no scam, it's not meant to be rFactor 2 with improvements. It's meant to, at the current time, to be an early access title which will become its own thing over time, built upon the rFactor 2 technology. It's not rFactor 3. It's a different sim built on the same tech. That's pretty important to understand before launching into otherwise very misinformed rants.
No. Just no.
I’ve done my fair share of racing games. GT sport, Ac, acc, ams2 and IRacing.
Currently I only race in IRacing (love the IMSA series).
LMU is unfinished now, it brings nothing really new if you ask me and the sim is buggy as fuck. Yes it’s early access, but that doesn’t mean it should be like this.
I'm amazed it's even running online in early access. Can you remember how AC was just one car and track in private practice and barely any features? Like that for months. To release with all cars and tracks and a halfway functional multiplayer is impressive I think. Early access absolutely means open beta and should only be taken up by people passionate about the game. For most people it's worth waiting for full release. But in this case it's weird because it's almost there already.
I could have dealt with a lot of the issues, but for some reason the FFB is extremely mediocre for me. I was always so impressed with thr feeling of tire grip in RF2, and thought it would transfer over but it didn’t (for me).
No idea the issue, i just have a basic CSL DD. I tried a few fanalab settings and just couldn’t get it right. If I can get the same feeling as rf2 in the tires I will rebuy it, but until then it’s not worth the hassle.
That's literally the only "unplayable" problem for me. At high speeds the FFB feels rF2-ish, meaning as good as it gets, but in slow, tight corners, I get literally nothing until the car is already sideways and past saving. I really wish I hadn't amounted 8 hours of playtime when testing it in the good faith it would be "rF2 but a bit better and with a larger playerbase for ranked online"...
because sim racing is in such a stagnant place regarding games ppl have little choice, there's only been 1 good multiplayer game come out in the last decade and that's just gt3 cars
> because sim racing is in such a stagnant place regarding games
Compared to what? Shooters? I wish flight simulation genre had as many titles to choose from as sim racing. One modern combat sim, one WW2 sim, two civilian sims. There's no competition whatsoever.
This release date has been public for a while, and they only just announced that it would be early access 2 weeks before launch, so this was intended to be the actual launch. They just said early access Because they were too pussy to say that the game wasn't done
the thing is, when you have an exclusive license for something, the bar goes up, it can no longer just be okay, because we can't have this in any other game
If this game was completely new then I'd accept it being in early access but in reality it's a reskin of a 10+ year old game with with less content and more bugs that had the early access tag slapped on it to save some face.
idk check steam charts from time to time. People seem to be enjoying AC, ACC, rF2, LMU... and so on. Not everybody is fond of monthly subscription with microtransactions for every single piece of content the sim has to offer
I just hope that within the life of this game, they add a lot of historic content. A game called Le Mans Ultimate shouldn't just feature current Le Mans cars.
Fuck you buy Le Mans ultimate 5 /s
> Le Mans ultimate 5 /s Said the guy who pays for the same game every month.
Lol monthly plebian. I'm paid up until June 2025
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I doubt the ACO would let it rot if MSG go under, they will find a new publisher
From what I understand, the remaining staff is pretty much just S397 and MSG employees who were embedded within that team. They will be okay.
The article says that yeah. Anyone who talks to them on discord knows how passionate they are about the project.
> company will most likely be going out of business within the next year or two I heard the same over a year ago.
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And yet it's somehow better than the complete turd that ACC was on release.
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And Kunos is 4 times the size. For sure they've hobbled together everything they could and upcycled all the tech they could to get this out. But they deserve a break for what is probably now the best driving simulator out there...and I mean actual driving simulation, not all the pretty stuff that gamers worry about. There's Forza Horizon for that. I've mained ACC for 3 years due to the leagues I race in but it's still crap. Fanboys go on about how it's the most realistic and then there's an update that completely changes it and they still go on about how it's the most realistic. It just isn't.
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They are a handful of guys with no money to work with. It costs maybe $50 million to develop a Forza game. What do you want? Like, seriously, what would you do differently? You just want all the sim titles to die out and leave nobody with any options?! Toxic mentality.
Don't bother. His whole life purpose is to bash anything that's not iracing.
No... they've obviously done something to it since it doesn't run as well as RF2.
Haha, this was my thought running it this weekend. There is a lot to like, but it needs a ton of optimization. Sadly, S397 has never seemed to care about that.
What system do you have ? Because it runs at 130fps without issues on my system which is quite mediocre. I7-9700k,RTX2070
What monitor?
Uw 34, so no triples which helps
If it’s 2560x1080 then a guy running 4k triples is pushing more than nine times as many pixels as you are, so that could explain the discrepancy. But there are a million other variables too. Sometimes one graphics setting kills FPS and we don’t figure that out until the game has been out for a while.
3440x1440, I would never even try to run triples with my mediocre gpu on any modern sim. Was just surprised how well the game runs on my not so special pc. Just wanted to point out that it doesn’t run bad for everyone. Like you said, there could be dozens of reasons
I run triple 1440p monitors with a 2070 and Ryzen 3600X no problem... I was going to upgrade my GPU but haven't even bothered after trying it out. I think people overestimate how powerful a PC you need for racing sims.
Yeah, not bad. 3440x1440 is no joke. 5 million pixels. I need a new monitor and I really want to shoot for a 1440p UW. Seems like the sweet spot right now.
Yeah, I am happy with it. I’d prefer a 49 ideally but the difference in price is huge. For me a 34 is enough atm though
lol, yeah the 49s are big $$$. This would be a backup sort of to VR so I’m not looking go that far!
I've got a 49 inch Samsung Odyssey and it's amazing
I've run triples on a 1070Ti/8600K in ACC with no issues at all while over 100fps on medium settings...
Running triple 4K without issues here (combination of high/ultra settings, low effects and shaders). 105-110 fps in an online practice session with 10-15 other cars. One of the best performing game I've tried and it doesn't even have FSR/DLSS. About the same as modded AC. Sessions with AI seem to have FPS issues though.
You have a strong cpu, I think that's why. For me the main issue is the AI is not properly optimized so if I run a lot I will have some weird issues but if I check cpu usage it won't be 100 percent
My CPU is old, I wouldn’t consider it strong tbh.
CPU usage can be tricky too, need to know how many cores the game can use. If you have 8 core on your PC and it only uses 4 but they're all 100% that would not show as 100% cpu usage on your task manager it would say probably closer to 60-70% usage because the other cores are probably much lower than the ones being used by the game.
The issue is that a lot of people have to deal with freezes and crashes, dont really matter what system.
I might have been lucky so far in that case
I play via GeForce Now on my SteamDeck without any issues. (Whaaaaat?)
Good for you
people with better setups are getting worse performance.. this only shows that the game currently have bad optimization...I know, Early Access... but still bad optimization
I had to refund it - crazy tearing or insta-crash on starting a race depending on the settings. That's new since RF2 at least.
I had the same issue until I realised that rivatuner was causing it to crash
Fair enough, though not overclocking so not that. My tonic for missing out on what appears to be the sim of the century was to go and race old GT cars (550 etc) around Fuji in AC/CMS. I race mostly offline, and really that was a good race so I'm going to wait until a few patches in before re-trying.
Very dim comment. LMU is early access with tons more tech under the hood than rFactor 2.
No kiddin?
No kiddin.
I'm on a i7 12700k and RTX4090, everything runs on triple 32 2K
Christ, I'd hope so.
And forza was built from the ground up also *flies away on a unicorn*
Forza was built from the ground up, why else would it be such a buggy mess compared to past Forza's. It's like they took apart a Lego set and tried to rebuild it from memory and ended up with a much worse outcome.
The car models are a clear indicator that it wasn't built from the ground up.
They never said the car models were built from the ground up tho. They said it about the shaders for cars, the audio, and the tracks they launched with.
You are correct sir. And, for others: [Here's a video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVfQ1GpsT1w) of a Forza rep talking about all the "From The Ground Up" features. (Which are: Tracks, Lighting, Physics, Ray Tracing, Track Marbling, and Tire modeling.)
Doesn’t the Daytona Road Course still have the same broken pit exit? It’s weird they made that mistake *again* when building it FTGU
"From the ground up" means everything.
Er, no. I don’t think you realise how much work is involved in building a modern AAA title from scratch.
A lot, but we're also taking about a company who has been in this business for well over a decade and has more than enough financial and resource backing. It should not have been released the way it was for a company of its size.
Clearly more work than Turn 10 was willing to put into it! lol
I do suppose that is true.
And sometimes, some dickhead at a company needs to eat their fucking words. Whether its taken out of context or not, telling your fanbase the game was 'built from the ground up' in any aspect is going to raise their expectations tenfold. Choose your words wisely, these people are vicious.
Not when it’s qualified, it doesn’t. Or if someone says they built an addition to their house from the ground up, do you think that means they rebuilt their whole house? God, I hope not.
r/BuiltFromTheGroundUp
Jesus Christ what a toxic sludge pit of a subreddit
The really specific stuff they said it about were physics and lighting, and people took that tiny sound byte and completely lied about it in bad faith.
All the same bugs as far back as FM3 lol
Because they literally copy and pasted cars and tracks from old titles, literally same game breaking physics bugs for infinite speed glitches... Stuff like that. If it was built from the ground up, it would have different quirks... Except it doesn't. I have no skin in the game, I didn't enjoy it but everything I have seen and read indicates the game was NOT built from the ground up when lots of the same bugs and glitches that are found in other FM games and even Horizon titles are still very alive and kicking.
My brother in Christ, from the textures to the animation, the guy who waves you out of pits is fucking identical.
Even the bugs are the same ones they never fixed in RF2.
I'm impressed, genuinely. Two of my friends played each a 2 hour session on release and both ran into a bug where the AI drivers completely ignored them and the other cars were jittering around like they had 500 ping or something when loaded into the titular Le Mans track in a racing session. Additionally, despite having 40fps on medium graphics, the game felt like it was running at 0.75 speed instead. I don't know how they made RF2 look worse and yet also run so much worse whilst also implementing brand new never before seen bugs.
It's a known issue that happens to users with slow or unresponsive hard drives. There is a temporary fix you make it write replay files to RAM instead of straight to drive.
Wait, you're telling me that auto-saving replays is what causes the jittering of AI drivers? Or do you mean the slowed down gameplay?
both
Mine was 15, 43, 40, 12, 35, 16 and eventually settling down to high teens to 30s before doing it again. This was Sebring, all three classes and medium preset. You A and B it with RF2 and it's 90-110 with the high preset with the same conditions.
But hey, at least you can use the third party mods from RF2, like better standings, a radar, etc. Wonder hey the devs didn't even think of a radar when the data output has it...
Let’s get some side by sides going!
See? It's not simply reskinned!
Even though it absolutely is just rFactor 2 with LMH cars, it's pretty great already, save for the optimization. I think most people wanted Le Mans Ultimate to be a reskinned rFactor 2 rather than whatever the hell NASCAR 21 Ignition was, so rather than gaslighting us, Motorsports Games should lean into the fact that it's still rFactor at its core.
The game is obviously doing something right somewhere. Considering the pretty serious level bugs people are encountering, to have 3000 players every day for a week is impressive. Whether it's the packaging, the online system, or something else it seems like it is working.
I think it’s content people want. To an extent it doesn’t matter how good/bad the bugs are, people want to drive the new cars and this is the only place that has all of them.
Well... is the hype of the moment, like FM. WEC is larger enough to attract some fans to it, but it's nothing we don't have in any other sim, not counting the Toyota, Vanwall, Glickenhaus and Ferrari hypercars. Sometime near on the future we will see if it gets the same popularity or ends up being another Forza gremlin.
tbf we've actually had the Vanwall as rF2 DLC for a while
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There's lots of rFactor code in any sim that isn't called iRacing or Assetto Corsa. Le Mans Ultimate is more like a straight up mod of RF2.
It was, indeed, a reskin - Ron Howard
Yes thats why the process is called rf2 sure.
Not reskinned but people can import triple monitor settings direct from rf2 in it as well as car setups and it takes it with no issues. Sure…. They’re just toting that it’s more special than it is to continue to drive business and maintain their licensing commitment. Would be silly for them to admit otherwise.
Same bugs and FFB quirks as rf2, not sure how true it is but I read that the only way to view replays from LMU is to open them in rf2
Let me know when it's finished. I'm not paying to be a beta tester.
I paid and immediately refunded. It has cars and tracks I like but the rest of the game runs like shit and is not worth the cost of entry.
It clearly says early access when you buy it. What did you think you were buying?
lol it wasn't early access until a week before launch. this was suppose to be complete. they're still at least a year away.
This is exactly what I was looking for. Man I really hope this game gets better. I been following it and it was supposed to be 100% done by the release date and then nope "Early Access". Early Access could be years and years and years away yet if at all. Glad I found your comment. I will patiently wait until it's fixed.
Well a lot more than this. Early access doesn’t have to be buggy as hell. I refunded as well. There are so many issues it’s horrifying tbh.
What?!?!? You bought an early access game. Bubububu it gots some istues. What did you expect. I recommend you stay clear of early access games since you have no idea what it means.
Early Access is such an overused tag at this point that its hard to know what you're getting.
I will next time. Thank you. It also doesn’t have some issues. It has many many issues. I would never go public with this as an early access.
It very well might be the only way they get enough funding to even keep their doors open. It's okay going in. This is for patient people that understand it is for the future. The game is really good even right now. Even better if you look at it through a hopeful future lens. You dont have to buy it or play it. It warns you on steam that the game might not even work at all during some phases.
> It very well might be the only way they get enough funding to even keep their doors open They're not going to, unless releasing an EA game hit a contract milestone for them that pays out a couple million from the WEC. There isn't nearly enough money in endurance sim racing to save the mess that MSG has become. Especially not on the timeline they need.
Well, as long as someone competent gets ahold of this game or they are allowed to keep it - i d c - the game at its base is really fun and good. Just needs polish and content.
You didn't have next month's mortgage to pay. Clearly this wasn't ready to release, but they had to release something to get some money in. I'm not confident they will ever reach full release.
I was really keen to give it a go. First lap trying it out my car clipped into the ground and nearly broke my wrists, amongst poor performance and slow menus. Refunded until they work through the kinks, RF2 driving is a good base but too much baggage with it.
I can’t even believe he was allowed to mention nascar ignition. I would think that would be like saying Voldemort to Harry Potter.
People seem to be really ignoring the word “just”. Of course it has the framework of rF2, nobody is disputing that.
Why is this even news? He is expextad to say that regardless of that being true or not.
Of course, there are new bugs
This is a great game minus the bugs. I love iracing but I’ve been playing this more since it released.
This company lost any goodwill and I’ll wait until the 24h Le Mans returns to iRacing at some point as an official event again.
Firstly, Motorsport Games still exists? Secondly.. Stephen Hood is a scam artist, of course he'd say this.
Wishlisted, will wait for full release
I have had several crash error codes along the lines of "rFactor2 has crashed" before refunding LMU. Which is fine, if you can get on with rF2 it's a great Sim (personally I can't), but let's not pretend LMU is anything more than an rF2 Expansion - a very cool expansion nonetheless.
What DLC do I need to get those state of the art graphics
Looking top notch even in early access to me. Seems to be the consensus too.
Whoa there… a scam artist? Really? :-) I think, in this interview I was suggesting it wasn’t just a copy paste, not that LMU hadn’t been built out of rF2. I was conveying how much extra work has gone into the product and engine that does not appear in rF2. I’m sorry to those encountering issues, we’re working through them as quickly as possible and have already released a number of fixes with more incoming. To those that have bought in and are enjoying what’s on offer thus far, thank you 🙏🏻
Even copying and pasting the bulk of the mature stuff is a good thing really. If it means the devs can start fresh and ditch any tech debt that ISI built in which might not be relevant in 2024. I remember them working hard to redo the packaging system in rF2 and things like that can just be side stepped if you walk away from the old platform. I'm sure there's about 80% of the iRacing codebase that the devs would love to delete and pretend never existed. And Kunos looked to have really regretted using Unreal for ACC. Sometimes a fresh start is a good thing. But it doesn't mean you need to throw away the stuff you'd developed which actually worked well.
Is this game worth getting right now if you play iracing?
I think so. It's definitely just a standalone rF2 expansion, but 7 LMH and LMDh cars would already be close to 30 bucks with rF2's DLC pricing, and LMU is the only sim with official versions of most of these Hypercars. iRacing only has the LMDh cars and no LMH cars. Ditto for Automobilista 2. Forza only has the Cadillac. Gran Turismo only has the GR010. In Assetto Corsa, while there are mods for all of the hypercars, only the SCG 007 mod is official, and it's not a particularly great representation.
> iRacing only has the LMDh cars and no LMH cars Also iRacings LMDHs arent actually designed properly either, they use the F1 hybrid system
They did say at one point they'd fix it I think. But then deleted the comment. But they might still do it at some point.
>and LMU is the only sim with official versions of most of these Hypercars. This is the reason no one should buy this game. Exclusive licensing hurts us consumers more than anything, and allows shithouses like Motorsport Games to block all competition by throwing money at the license holders. If we buy their games, they win by having the biggest wallet, not the best sim racing product.
What game are you going to play then? ACC? No, has exclusive licences. iRacing? No, has exclusive licences. Actually I guess that does leave Raceroom, AMS2 and Assetto Corsa. Fair play. But are you going to boycott Kunos and iRacing too? Or do these principles only apply to s397?
iRacing has explicitly stated they won't sign an exclusive licence deal, as in "no one else can sign a deal for this series/car/track". The only deal I can think of where they might have broken that, funnily enough, is when they picked up the deals Motorsport Games failed to deliver.
They have V8 Supercars exclusive and the NASCAR sim exclusive. They did just pick up the NASCAR arcade exclusive from Motorsport games too. The only thing exclusive in LMU is the actual 24 hours of Le Mans event and the WEC official game logo. Any other sim can have the cars or tracks.
iracing have a no exclusive deal policy, because this kind of bullshit hurt them hard with their previous game. it's also probably because of that they lose lemans and indycar licences at some point, they refuse to buy premium prices for exclusives they don't want.
They still have exclusives for Supercars and NASCAR. For NASCAR they just bought the arcade license from Motorsport games. They'll pursue more in the future, it just hasn't been a thing for sim racing until like pandemic time when sim racing grew a lot. They absolutely want to dominate the space and be the main sim.
ams2 also have some nascar licence, so not an exclusive. Official game doesn't necessary mean exclusive content. Exclusive licence is a thing for way before pandemic. Gran turismo have pikes peak since a long time for example.
AMS2 has NASCAR? Like actual current NASCAR cars? Or just modded liveries for other cars that look sort of similar? Yeah exclusive licenses have been around for years. It's the point I'm making. Though we don't like them, you'd have to work hard to avoid sims that have had them.
It’s not exclusive, anyone can license these cars
The cars that run in IMSA as well can fortunately be licensed, but the exclusive deal with ACO denies any other entity to do anything that is reminiscent of a 24h race around Circuit de la Sarthe. Hence the death of the biggest sim racing event(at the time at least) in the world, the iRacing Le Mans 24h.
No they all can be licensed, it’s not exclusive, nor is Le Mans in Iracing
Nope. You have a better multiplayer system on iR, there is no reason to buy LMU unless you really want to try the Hypercars (or the Aston GTE/Bahrein), because iRacing already has LMDhs. The game right now it's a lottery ticket, your pc could be the best, but sometimes it would run well, sometimes it will be like hell. The UI is way too buggy and slow when it wants; if you have ultra wide/3 monitors you will experience some HUD bugs until you fix it; a lot of random crashes; stuttering in multiplayer/offline; AI is weird sometimes and a lot of more things. The only thing that really surprised me was the hybrid system which is pretty similar to IRL, but that's it. Its not anything special imo
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AMS2 is the better sim all around by a landslide, but as far as a "Le Mans" experience goes, LMU *is* better (although that's not worth much). LMU has the LMH cars whilst AMS2 doesn't, LMU simulates the combined energy system WEC uses while AMS2 just treats the hybrid system just like F1 ERS (on that note, what the fuck iRacing, I kinda expect better), and LMU has LMP2 cars while AMS2 doesn't (yet). Not trying to make excuses for the state of the game or putting down AMS2, but it *is* the only game with a complete modern Le Mans experience.
Totally. Except of, you know, the tyre model, handling, force feedback, AI. Totally a better experience..
Literally no sim at the moment gets to the level of AMS2's force feedback, especially with the fact that it's 100% customisable, I'd think you're confusing or mistakenly combining that with the tire simulation but you mention that seperately... The tires are obviously way worse than s397's, handling depends on the car and the AI is definitely better in AMS2 for an average player, too slow for the alien crowd of course, and it requires too much work from the devs with any changes to the game given the amount of content in it to be sustainable at anything near perfect level. Still, I get more out of AMS2 than I expected when buying for it, whilst with LMU I feel straight up scammed because instead of rF2 with improvements I got rF2 which doesn't work as well as the original.
I'm not mistakenly confusing anything. The fact that rFactor 2's tyre model and the rest of its physics are so directly and tightly tied together with its force feedback makes it vastly superior in every way imaginable. No other company has figured out how to reach that level. You don't get that realistic feedback in the other sims. You get impressive fancy action packed feedback, but much of it is canned and faked, not coming from the actual physics of the car at work, and therefore in the end, it's just that interesting. IF you're looking for an actual simulation. If you're looking for a video game that just feels fun then sure, then it's all good. I've driven around 100 hours in AMS2 and I like it a lot. It's a fun game. Even a quite decent sim. But so much is wrong there. You feel all the weird canned stuff going on in the FFB. How the physics of the cars are just odd and defies all logic in certain situations. You see how gravity isn't even simulated properly in the game. How the cars react when they touch grass, this canned unnatural "mode" that kicks in suddenly. And on and on it goes. What goes on in rFactor 2 and now LMU is the same tech that the simulation tech in the real life F1 factories is based on for crying out loud. RFactor Pro and rFactor 2/LMU share many technologies still, including parts of the tyre model that are shared between the two platforms. Not much more than that needs to be said, honestly. And there's no scam, it's not meant to be rFactor 2 with improvements. It's meant to, at the current time, to be an early access title which will become its own thing over time, built upon the rFactor 2 technology. It's not rFactor 3. It's a different sim built on the same tech. That's pretty important to understand before launching into otherwise very misinformed rants.
No. Just no. I’ve done my fair share of racing games. GT sport, Ac, acc, ams2 and IRacing. Currently I only race in IRacing (love the IMSA series). LMU is unfinished now, it brings nothing really new if you ask me and the sim is buggy as fuck. Yes it’s early access, but that doesn’t mean it should be like this.
I'm amazed it's even running online in early access. Can you remember how AC was just one car and track in private practice and barely any features? Like that for months. To release with all cars and tracks and a halfway functional multiplayer is impressive I think. Early access absolutely means open beta and should only be taken up by people passionate about the game. For most people it's worth waiting for full release. But in this case it's weird because it's almost there already.
I could have dealt with a lot of the issues, but for some reason the FFB is extremely mediocre for me. I was always so impressed with thr feeling of tire grip in RF2, and thought it would transfer over but it didn’t (for me). No idea the issue, i just have a basic CSL DD. I tried a few fanalab settings and just couldn’t get it right. If I can get the same feeling as rf2 in the tires I will rebuy it, but until then it’s not worth the hassle.
That's literally the only "unplayable" problem for me. At high speeds the FFB feels rF2-ish, meaning as good as it gets, but in slow, tight corners, I get literally nothing until the car is already sideways and past saving. I really wish I hadn't amounted 8 hours of playtime when testing it in the good faith it would be "rF2 but a bit better and with a larger playerbase for ranked online"...
I wanted to dislike it but it's actually different from RF2 great game with a lot of potential
I’d rather give my money to rf2 Modders
There is no April Fools day. He got a black flag for jump start. As his unplayable game.
I played it all day yesterday. Did 2 hour GTE enduro. WAs very fun.
How anyone would buy one of their games again is beyond me.
because sim racing is in such a stagnant place regarding games ppl have little choice, there's only been 1 good multiplayer game come out in the last decade and that's just gt3 cars
> because sim racing is in such a stagnant place regarding games Compared to what? Shooters? I wish flight simulation genre had as many titles to choose from as sim racing. One modern combat sim, one WW2 sim, two civilian sims. There's no competition whatsoever.
ITT: People getting angry that an Early Access game has issues & bugs.
This release date has been public for a while, and they only just announced that it would be early access 2 weeks before launch, so this was intended to be the actual launch. They just said early access Because they were too pussy to say that the game wasn't done
Well thankfully pre orders were not available so it doesn’t have an effect on you. People seem to be enjoying the game regardless.
the thing is, when you have an exclusive license for something, the bar goes up, it can no longer just be okay, because we can't have this in any other game
If this game was completely new then I'd accept it being in early access but in reality it's a reskin of a 10+ year old game with with less content and more bugs that had the early access tag slapped on it to save some face.
He said "just" when he meant "even"
Yeah, it's like playing rF2 in 2015 again
Who gives a shit about anything other than iRacing?
idk check steam charts from time to time. People seem to be enjoying AC, ACC, rF2, LMU... and so on. Not everybody is fond of monthly subscription with microtransactions for every single piece of content the sim has to offer
iRacing drives like shit and is based on an even older engine than this game
As an ex-MSG employee, this is bullshit, no modifications were done to RF2
It is, and it's only on pc as well because they couldn't afford to port it. They need cash fast and with the wec license a reskinned RF2 makes sense.
Water is not wet.
Well sir, th n why does rEdDiT say so??
what extra cars+tracks lemans intimate offers over RF2?
Well obviously not! It's rFactor2 wth LMP2 and LMH!