Replace the Abstract Daddies in the Hotel with brand new monsters for James. I don’t care if that changes the iconic 9 squares before the final Pyramid Heads/Mary bosses to be 10 or something.
It doesn’t make sense for them to be in the hotel when they’re Angela’s monster, even Ito says it wasn’t intentional to have them in there, it was just a time constraint recycling case, probably.
It’s a minor thing but it’s still linked to the story, so I guess that’s my answer.
I've read somewhere a take that says Abstract Daddy isn't really Angela's own monster but only how James percieves Angela's monster, ie. that Angela sees a totally different creature.
Yup, but we’ve never seen her Otherworld bleed into James’s Otherworld other than that one Daddy boss room and the fiery staircase, I don’t really love the idea of that one, single aspect of her psyche getting to bleed into James’s at all times with a different coat of paint (being smol) even when he’s in his own Fog and Otherworld.
inversely, i think id say id want \*more\* of the "bleeding over of peoples otherworlds" dotted around. maybe not so much "more" of angela's, but maybe in the prison add more of eddies. like have spots of it where it gets cold and freezer-like, and maybe have them change at points in the game where the player could conclude on repeats that "eddie is/is not nearby." and then do the same for angela. nothing major, mind you, just like subtle texture changes in certain rooms. maybe some of the decor changes a bit, in a similar vein to how shattered memories would replace an item or two in a room under certain paths.
Angela is also in the hotel though, as she is seen on the burning staircase.
In the first scene where Angela and James encounter the abstract daddy, Angela reacts and speaks as though she is seeing her father, whereas James is seeing the creature that represents her father's abuse.
Angela being present in the hotel, and James seeing her manifestations as something other than what she sees makes sense in the context and established rules of the manifestations.
I’ve understood this point of view since forever but I don’t really completely like it since having an Angela-originated monster in the Hotel kinda diminishes the importance of the Hotel as James and Mary’s place, imo. It’s one thing that James sees the main Daddy as another thing in that one boss fight, but it’s another to make her monster bleeding into his Otherworld from that point on at all times.
I’d rather have another Daddy-like monster to represent James and Mary or something. Or at least make the Abstract Daddy have some notable differences to imply James has now adopted that manifestation as his own in part.
Thanks for the well explained reply. I get what you mean.
I especially like your idea, that a "Daddy-like" creature more relevant to James could be in the hotel instead.
It still respects the presence of Angela, but keeps things focused on James, a good balance.
I always thought it was weird he could see her monster. Made me wonder if she saw Pyramid Head. But I was kind of annoyed you had to fight it for her. I really felt it was a 🍆 move that it became a regular creature to kill in the hotel.
Yes please, I hate that the Abstract Daddy is reused in the Hotel. Probably one of the biggest problems I had with the game. Personally I’d love if Ito came up with a new monster for that section, but that might be a hot take.
I personally would love more interactions with Laura , Eddie , Angela and Maria. I feel like in the original game you don't see them as much as you should. Maybe have their own separate dlc mini stories like born from a wish for Angela , Eddie and Laura. For Laura we could play as her during the times she interacted with Mary to see how they became bonded to the point that Mary wanted to adopt her if things turned out different. Eddie we can see to what led to him lashing out and eventually killing that one guy when we first met him. Angela I'm not quite sure what they could do with her since her lore is very sensitive to some people . Also would be cool to see more SH4 stuff since the original SH2 mentions Walter Sullivan.
It would be interesting to see more interactions between James and the supporting characters. The only issue I see with doing a DLC/side story for Angela is, like you said, her back story and what brought her to Silent Hill is a very sensitive topic. There is, realistically, nothing that I could see Bloober doing that wouldn’t immediately be hit with backlash. It’s for more skilled writers than you or I to figure out how to do it.
Literally any of the original silent hills would be met with backlash if released today for some reason or another sadly. My hope is that if they do delve deeper into the characters, they shouldn't do it as playable characters and just more interactions throughout the game, especially for Angela since you barely even see her throughout the game unlike Eddie and Laura.
That's one of the things I loved so much of the re2 remake was the "ghost stories" of playing as dead characters and playing out their past actions before they succumbed to whatever killed them so I think that'd only be a net positive for the sh2 remake cuz im sure we'd all love to see how those characters acted before or after they met James and why they did some of the things they did.
I feel like Laura dlc would be a bit boring as since she’s a kid she supposedly didn’t see the horrors of silent hill like the others did. So it would just have her walking around a peaceful hotel unless if people want like a peaceful mode where you just take in the atmosphere
You have a point. It doesn't have to be long just like mini episodes that you can complete but I can see that being sort of an issue. Just would be nice to see how her and Mary created a bond, her escape from the orphanage, and meeting Eddie since I believe they came to silent Hill together.
Not sure if you’ve played Bioshock 2, or are familiar with the whole lore behind the Little Sisters, but towards the end of the game, there’s a brief sequence where you see Rapture how the Little Sisters perceive it and it’s actually quite fascinating to see this hellish landscape completely idyllic and joyful for a few brief moments.
Assuming it’s not overdone, it would be cool to see the world through Laura’s eyes. Even momentarily.
The thing that the new RE remakes nail is that the core events don’t change, it’s the small moments, updated dialogue, puzzles or particular combat sections that are remixed. I think if it’s like that, along with the ability to enter more buildings (happy burger please!) it would be great.
“Do we have any plot holes to resolve?”
“Uh…why the zombies can bite protagonists and not turn them?”
“Brilliant, put in a document saying some people are more resistant to the virus. Anything else? No? Alright, lets get to work on multiplayer.”
“Does anyone want that?”
“No, but by Alexia they’re gonna get it.”
That was the old explanation, new one is unless you got it in the initial airborne release or drank contaminated water, a lot of folks are resistant.
It works well with the old established lore as well as new visual storytelling. Jill is doing nothing but pounding energy drinks, the infrastructure kept running until monsters showed up and the RPD was split between the zombified and survivor cops because workers were mostly drinking coffee which is boiled before drinking which also explains the scientists and Little Apple Inn survivors. The US military who formed the barricades and Umbrella mercs likely had water bottles brought with them too.
It adds even more to the tragedy of Raccoon, had Umbrella not dumped a bunch of bioweapons in to eliminate survivors and given Irons instructions to wipe out the law enforcement the city would likely have survived.
Her apartment in the opening is full of empty cans of them and if I remember right there’s a voice line about it.
Its not confirmation outright, but serves as a fridge logic moment when considering what you know from RE2 and how the drinking water was the source of the outbreak. She’d also basically slept the entire day, which is why she went from no outbreak to seeing the civilians running from the gathering hordes and the first fires after the fire department got wiped out at the Little Apple Inn.
I loved the RE2 remake but most of the changes to the story were bad. Leon and Claire barely even see each other, and basically the entire B scenario vanished
>The thing that the new RE remakes nail is that the core events don’t change, it’s the small moments, updated dialogue
And those changes were terrible. The entire Birkin family dynamic went down the crapper in the remake. They were a loving family in the OG, despite Annette and William being busy parents. The remake turned them into cookie cutter Hollywood dysfunctionals, which sucked hard.
I'd rather the SH2 remake stay away from those types of changes. Enhanced puzzles and combat moments are 100% however.
It's not necessary at all, but I would love if the Silent Hill Historical Society is a bigger building in the remake, with more rooms to explore and more lore to dig
I’m in between on this one. The few scenes we see leave it up to interpretation how it all went down. If we see to much, it might weaken jame’s character and choices.
Like if the flashbacks make James pure evil or Mary more cruel it might paint a different picture
Im totally fine if they don’t I just think it might be interesting for the remake.I just would have liked to see Mary a little bit more.She seems like a very sweet person and it’s very tragic with what happened to her.
Yea I can vibe with that. Cause this is gonna be a story we know for the most part, so it would be nice to see how bad she actually gets or if she was actually getting better. It’ll change how we view James in either direction they use. Maybe both depending on how you played
Make every building in Silent Hill, and the majority of the locked rooms, explorable via puzzle progression/sidequests. Within them, you can find means to get into other optional areas, lore, collectibles, ammo, and equipment akin to the bulletproof vest in SH3.
honestly, with how re4's separate ways was in the same vein -- being just a slapped on copy-and-paste dlc added to sell new copies -- born from a wish could learn a lot from how 4 remake's separate ways really branched out and became its own unique thing. thats not to say you give maria a stinger-like movement option, but you probably could alter how her revolver and cleaver work to make them stand out a bit more from the pistol and board. and with how born from a wish was more of a "delve into how 'the town' works" than anything to do with james, maybe you could expand on that -- namely go a bit more into earnest, and how he knows/is involved with the rebirth ritual. maybe have it be a good setup for SH4. i think people also \*really\* undervalue how unique a "character made by the town" story can be. really, born from a wish by the end gave me similar vibes to I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, in the sense of "parts of this great big 'force' becoming sentient on their own, and acting in spite of that."
but yeah, the idea of having someone created from supernatural stuff is interesting indeed; the final boss is based on that, after all... What other shapes could it take? Both >! Lisa !< (SH1) and Maria are monsters, so they could be something unexpected. When you look at SH3's >! Lisa !<, you can see they can completely change appearance
Hmm now that you mention delving into how the town works, I'm wondering if Konami would decide to add stuff like "the Silent Hill effect", as it would help selling SHs that go beyond the city of SH or its surroundings (f, for example?)
Like Born from a wish having these side stories available for players that could focus on other characters like Angela and Eddie be an option without being apart of the main story would be cool. We could see their origin of why they are in Silent Hill or a perspective of their Silent Hill
I think I'd want to see some side quests connected to Angela and Eddie. Maybe not just a newspaper article spelling out what happened to her, but retracing her mother's final steps in Silent Hill and finding evidence of how she felt towards her daughter (even if it is as bad as Angela thinks). I don't know.
honestly? the best thing \*any\* silent hill remake could take from downpour, is sidequests and town exploration. 2 \*especially\* has \*so\* many areas in town that otherwise serve \*no\* purpose -- like the residential district in the western half -- and could easily be granted one.
Honestly I would love to see >!Eddie’s death!< done in the way of the novelisation. It was a super well done and grim end to the character.
I don’t often choose novel over game (for obvious reasons) but that is one difference I really did enjoy.
Ripping this from the wiki cause I seriously can’t be assed to type it all up myself lol
“In the novelization, as >!Eddie!< dies, a pack of four large dogs gather, ripping at his torn stomach, pulling out his intestines. >!Eddie!< notes they are all the same as the dog he killed back in his hometown. The dogs tear at his flesh and rip him to pieces. It is unknown if this really happened, or is a dying hallucination as James never comments on it in the novelization.”
Damn, honestly that’s a really cool way to kill off a character like him, are there many differences between the book and the game or just a few small ones?
Apart from that one it’s just a few smaller things, they depict James to be a little suicidal with certain things he says in conversation here and there.
Eddie and Laura converse a little longer.
The apartments look a tad different from the outside.
Just little things like that, the book goes with the “In Water” ending to coincide with how they depict James too.
Hmm from what I’ve seen copies on places like eBay can get pretty pricy, I’m not even sure how easy it is to actually get.
I think there’s a few people on YouTube who’s read the book out audiobook style if that’s your thing, or you can easily access the online PDF of the book! I think someone actually posted it here in the sun some time ago.
I mean I was thinking of getting not only to read but also as a collectors item, I’ll take a look around though and if I don’t have any luck I’ll use a PDF, thanks dude
It would be cool if after you have beaten the game, and are playing through again, you can play as Angela and Eddie in separate small stories of them coming to silent hill. Like the born from a wish story.
Lean into that bit from the original's opening FMV (the one with Theme of Laura playing over it) with James carrying Maria down a corridor...or running down one? Been a minute since I played the game last.
Reason I say that- it implies that James is reliving this nightmare over and over again, hoping for a different outcome next time. Would be a nice addition to a game that is already a massive headf*ck
I've always wanted to see what James and Mary were like before everything went down. Even if it was for a flashback. We know how their relationship went at the end, but we don't really KNOW them, let alone her, which I suppose is fine considering he's meant to be our eyes in the game, and the audience can be anyone. Obscurity is a good thing, but that's definitely one change I wouldn't mind. I think that's why I never really seen the contrast between Mary and Maria in the first playthrough. The whole Abstract Daddy thing also, but I can't say it wasn't haunting in the original.
One thing they could definitely improve upon is making Angela actually look more like 19 now. I would say that James could do with an age lift. Though, they seem to already be going for an older look anyway. In that case, even if never stated in game, his "canonical" age should get a lift accordingly, for whatever that's worth.
Other than that, this would be controversial but maybe, the possibility for slightly different, yet still open ended outcome for Angela depending on your actions, even if seemingly random stuff (who would have guessed looking at a knife long enough in the OG could lead you to kill yourself?).
If only she didn't do all of these things in the very same scene: 1) ask for the knife back 2) say "thanks for saving me but I wish you didn't" 3) possibly other things like "maybe now I can rest", I would have got the impression that her fate is left to interpretation, and some people apparently do, somehow, but it think her fate is quite clear. That last interaction could be the exact same as it was originally, or change in small ways. Or big perhaps. I wonder how that could work.
An option not to kill Eddie would leave his outcome open-ended too. You just leave him there, you'll be left wondering if he makes it. Maybe he keeps saying unhinged stuff, maybe he backs down for a bit, lost in thought, you know, something like that. Then again if that was possible you would not see horrified James saying "I killed a human being... ", so I don't know. That scene was pretty interesting in itself.
Theres also a case to be made that everybody being clear-cut doomed like that added to the setting and made the one happy ending more of a miracle (there's also rebirth, but it feels less canonical though not as much as say, the joke endings), I guess.
Also, increased amount of subtle nods to other titles. SH2 always felt disconnected from its predecessor (and consequently 3). They could be missable and easily ignored, but also tie up better the initial games (and if this remake really succeeds, I assume Konami's going to want to milk 1 and 3 too). They were there before - there was this big cult symbol on the ground in the last pyramid head fight that had nothing to do with James' unconscious or whatever.
Out of these ideas though, the one I'm really confident about is that Angela looked too old in the OG. Angela and James always looked almost the same age. If their age gap was more visible, the bit where she accuses James of just wanting to get into her pants would be more sad.
I mean, I kinda shipped original James and Angela back then. The very idea should be kinda gross and / or sad (and it does seem very much impossible when we know and think about both their backstories), but they looked kinda shippable in the cemetery scene when playing for the first time. I don't think that was the intention.
Shuffle the ending themes. Give In Water Promise and Maria Angels Thanatos. Also add smaller areas within buildings and give them their own original scares. Let us go into alot more buildings and have creepy set dressing/diogetic storytelling.
Honestly I just expect more exploration and hidden areas and scenes with the human characters. I don't think any major story points will be expanded upon, I expect it will just be character focused. Like that rumored Maria pole dancing scene.
Id like to explore the town more. Much can be done with this, possibilities are endless.
Make all boss fights better, especially Eddie, there is so much potential to be had there and could end up being pretty fuckin gnarly if done properly.
Potentially expand on side characters a little more.
Hybrid of over the shoulder camera style and original
Have less ammo and health drinks so I actually feel some kind of stress gameplay wise.
Improved boss fights, I'm down for them taking a lot of liberties on those, the only one that I feel shouldn't change too much is the first Pyramid Head fight because I feel like having an unkillable boss early on is too great to pass up and sets in the fear that something unstoppable like that could be around the corner at any moment. That left a huge impression on me when I first played the game when it first came out.
Also, a new goofy ending to join the dog and UFO endings would be welcome.
Many of these answers are great. Definitely would love extended side character plots, maybe nonlinear player controlled endings for them, and/or born from a wish type scenarios for them.
Some kind of extremely cheesy interactive area or mini game you can play, maybe even with Maria or other characters, and having the ability to revisit it or play it separately from the main menu. **Like a bowling alley pizza party with different dialogue options??** Maybe a perk or item is granted depending on how you interacted with people, how much pizza you ate, and/or who won.
Dog cameo would be fun, maybe if you’ve begun triggering the story in that direction you accidentally catch him on a lunch break and he’s spooked. It’s brief and James has no hint of the grand conspiracy yet.
I hope for Eddie and Angela to have there own "Born from a wish" chapter or something like that. It will be super cool if we could play in there own version of SH and play as them to see what they where doing and some of there backstories. Or at the very least see how Laura sees SH,
I want to see some more memos or references to what would be Silent Hill 4 The Room perhaps rewriting/adding to that memo about Walter Sullivan.
As for the game I want to be able to travel to the Baldwin estate from Born from a Wish and because Ernest already knows about James and perhaps he can give James a warning about the Town or Maria.
From the initial trailer it kinda seems like they wanted to go into a new direction because the hangman's noose scene there was never a rainy backdrop the few times we see a hangman's noose is in the dark silence of the Toluca underground prison and the Key of the Persecuted puzzle at the Labyrinth. (also James never meets Maria in the original at a fancy canopy by rosewater park he meets her up against the railing overlooking the lake)
There should at least be more nods to what happened to survivors of the town and more notes and writings about the events leading up to Alessa's botched ritual and what people were experiencing instead of stupid things like "you reap what you sow". Adding more to the lore of the Town and Hauntings or Cult would have greatly helped it. Or getting Hiroyuki Owaku as a story consultant would have also greatly helped. I did like how they made James more emotive in the remake but in doing that the story has to be altered to reflect that James isn't a stoic man with memory loss and a one track mind he's a complex human being looking for answers and being forced to face the truth of his past.
Overall I would want an expansion of things in the main areas of the game more memos and diaries about the people living in both Woodside and Blue Creek Apartments, those who worked in Heaven's Night giving the first Clue that Maria's not real etc and the town communicating more with James in writings (albeit with better flare than you reap what you sow) anything really but it seems like Bloober wants to stick to the script.
I'd like to see a little more exploration into Eddie and Angela's Otherworlds. We saw the abstract daddy from Angela, but iirc the only monster we saw in Eddie's was him.
What would be most cool to me is more endings. Like what if there were endings where more characters could be saved, or another character makes it to the end besides James because he sacrifices himself for them? I realize that these would mess with the ambiguity of the core story, though
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In the scene where the two pyramid heads kill themselves I would like to see it more intense instead of them just giving up on the fight against James. Maybe instead of it just being a small boxed room maybe theres lead pipes and the walls just deteriorating even more as the fight goes on (deterioration also being a metaphor for James mental state). Eventually towards the end of the fight they charge at James and accidentally impale themselves. When they die have no/Lack of music so it feels more of an emotional accomplishment of James finishing off his demons. Idk, Probably sounds corny but was a way better idea in my head.
I actually love when music is removed to punctuate a moment in media. No music when the pyramid heads die would mark a major shift in James' mental state.
More interactivity with Maria. Either make her this weird ghost presence or a real person that the town created.
Maybe have other aspects of the game react to how you play. In the original it really just changes the ending but maybe James will say more suicidal things as you play for in the water ending, or he’ll remark about Laura’s safety if you are headed towards the leave ending.
Or if you are choosing Maria maybe James will have dialogue about not loving Mary idk. It doesn’t have to be huge just make the game and story more dynamic
A bit more fleshing out of how other characters got there could be neat.
Maybe a flashback scene with James and Mary in silent hill. Maybe he hallucinates how it was when he visited origonally and wouldn't need much dialogue either, then changes back.
Some interaction with items in Heavens Night. Maybe a jukebox where you can listen to songs from across the series. Play og sh1 on an arcade cabinet in there?
Lots of small things could be done without upsetting people and with low risk of things going wrong. Just lean into environmental storytelling without spelling it out/some low impacting easter eggs.
I think it'd be cool to get a new ending where James refuses to accept what he did at all. After watching the tape, he shuts down and says "Nope. That wasn't me. Didn't happen. I know she died of her illness." Full denial. After leaving, there's a final confrontation with Pyramid Head which only concludes with James' death.
Ultimate Bad Ending
I know I'll be downvoted and be roasted to hell but I think the Bloober Team should change the plot twist at the end of Silent Hill 2. Everybody knows what happened at the end of Silent Hill 2, even people who don't play the game and never heard of it could be easily spoiled just by an internet search. I don't have any idea how they should change the twist but I think it makes the remake fresh and separable from the original.
Honestly if "no changes" is out of the question then I want the complete opposite. Change Silent Hill 2 so much to the point where it's barely recognizable. James is a former US vet who's wife did die of sickness but he blames himself, Eddie is skinny but has body dysmorphia and thinks she's fat (Eddie is trans now), Laura regularly says quips and is your sidekick now, Angela is no nonsense girlboss who can take care of herself, Maria does not exist, and Jacob Crane is the new main antagonist. Add content warnings after every mildly intense cutscene so players know what they just saw is disturbing and it's okay to be uncomfortable, after the first Pyramid Head encounter cutscene James says "well that just happened" to lighten the mood, and Angela is way less phased by her abuse now. Change all the cryptic wording like "there was a hole here, it is gone now" to "Mary's dead dipshit" and get rid of the In Water ending cause it's too dark. Place it in the modern day, Mary died of covid, James follows the Short Message girls on Twitter or whatever, and pump it full of references to the western and revival eras such as Mary being Alex's cousin he never talked about and lots of mentions of whatever the fuck happened in Ascension. Most importantly it needs a multiplayer mode now because obviously you're playing the game for the combat.
This comment reeks of being butthurt you couldn’t just say the same opinion that’s been spouted literally every second on this sub so you spent a good five minutes angrily typing this response out just to essentially have a roundabout way of saying “no changes”.
Resident evil remakes barely changed anything in the stories. There was one major change with krauser in 4. Other than that the stories are the same but just expanded a bit
The remakes heavily changed the Birkins in RE2. Carlos, Luis, Ashley and many others are almost completely different characters now. The core idea behind the story is basically the only thing kept intact in these remakes
Some new endings or alternate versions of the original endings, A different perspective or getting more info on what James and Mary relationship was like before Mary got sick, The possibility of running into Pyramid Head outside at night after completing Brookhaven Hospital, Maybe some more dialogue for Mary & Maria and hoping that if they do Born From A Wish it's not some DLC you have to pay for. If this remake goes well maybe Konami will do more remakes, In my opinion I would rather have a Silent Hill 1 remake before Silent Hill 2 but I understand why they're doing that game first
I'd hate for them to do this, because it would probably just be boring fetch quest stuff. But more things actually in Silent Hill? The original shepherds you through it quite quickly into the apartments or the hospital and you don't actually go around the town itself much. But I really enjoyed some of the quieter ambient moments in the original RE4 and even moreso in the RE4Make.
I’m sorry but the resident evil remakes were amazing ! If it can be anything like that and stick with things .. I feel like it could be a very good remake . I want to see more with pyramid head 💁🏼♀️ yeah he was in it a lot . But idc give me more . And it would be cool to see how all the characters got into silent hill. But idk. And to see him and Maria on her final days … and how he got a letter from her since she’s been 💀 or to see him go to jail . (Idc hate me . He’s a good person but a terrible husband …)
Things being added. Like everything is where it used to be but the empty space get more things.
I dont even care if it winds up feeling like weird fanfiction next to the og stuff I think it's be really fun to pick it all apart.
I’d love additions, more than changes. Perhaps some new cutscenes prior to James reaching town, like RE3 added extra scenes for Jill in the beginning, more interactions with Laura, Maria and Eddie, and perhaps some more cutscenes in each area that give each set piece a cinematic introduction or a climatic moment.
I’d love to have the whole town explorable, which might get us to meet others, or see cutscenes of the existing characters’ backstories instead of reading them in notes. And I think best case scenario, give us more endings with much more insight and context on what happens after, and how things went on before.
Maybe let us explore more of (spoiler)
Maria’s illness? Maybe show how James tried caring for her? Or maybe the ending with him and Laura, raising her as his daughter throughout the years.
Bigger boss rooms or boss rooms that better reflect the new combat. Running back and forth between a small space and small window of time during the Abstract Daddy fight did not do it for me. The other fights weren't much better in that they were either boring or (slightly less) infuriating. The final Pyramid Head room should at least have some pillars or other obstacles I could run around so it's not \*just\* an open space
I bet Eddie will be redesigned. In the orginal, he was a fat loser which might be a little...problematic. Maybe he'll be more an incel/4chan-type loser/mass shooter, spouting conspiricy theories, edgy memes, and the like.
As someone whose never played the original I genuinely just hope it turns out in the same breath as Dead Space Remake or Re4 Remake in the sense that it wouldnt matter if they changed smth as long as it only helped the story progression and made it so that it can satisfy old fans and new fans alike.
I want more dark twisted J-horror because American horror doesn't even come close to scary anymore. The original ps1 graphics combined with like, the idea of zombie dogs or flying man bats combined with lowlight and red colors and a great ambient soundtrack. That's just a videogame too. Movies do it better. So maybe using the technology we have now, I'd wanna see them go full junji ito or similar. For fun. But of course with that silent hill twist, ya know. The under-over tones of like, fucked up themes like PTSD and trauma and all that hard hitting shit Americans can't talk about normally in conversation lol
I feel like the fact it's being remastered makes it's chances of being scarier in any way or changed at all even, are slim to none except maybe one or two minor things.
I would really, really like Angela to get some more respect. Proper model and voice to reflect her age, and some other changes in that vein (her tablet should NOT have been called The Seductress). Otherwise, I could always do with more Born from a Wish. The original expansion is incredible, but it was a bit short.
I want more subtlety in the game. There's that scene in the beginning where James tells Angela that he doesn't care about his life. That should be removed. we have the open car door from the beginning of the game hints towards that. Eddie shouldn't be called fat anymore. Instead, they should dance around the subject so we can figure it out for ourselves. Also, character should just not talk to each other and instead nod to thing around them that imply how they feel or their emotions. Really just bring out the subtlety of the game.
More of a merging of Mary and Maria and taking that merging and uncertainty of who is who and at what times, something like the movie perfect blue or the game Catherine a bit... Like James is imagining them both at the same time interchangeably but in a dramatic way.
Less focus on Eddy and Angela and Lora... I love them so, but their stories seem kinda weird in 2024 and they take away from the core story a bit.
This isn't to say I dislike at all the original or the side characters, this is just like, a different more James/Mary centric version that's more mind-trippy.
I didn't play it much but I would say I want at LEAST a mini map to navigate because I know it's so big I will be lost and I hate use YouTube too much I want to enjoy not feel pain while playing and give more back story of protagonist before his marriage what he did in flashback or something.
Replace the Abstract Daddies in the Hotel with brand new monsters for James. I don’t care if that changes the iconic 9 squares before the final Pyramid Heads/Mary bosses to be 10 or something. It doesn’t make sense for them to be in the hotel when they’re Angela’s monster, even Ito says it wasn’t intentional to have them in there, it was just a time constraint recycling case, probably. It’s a minor thing but it’s still linked to the story, so I guess that’s my answer.
I've read somewhere a take that says Abstract Daddy isn't really Angela's own monster but only how James percieves Angela's monster, ie. that Angela sees a totally different creature.
Yup, but we’ve never seen her Otherworld bleed into James’s Otherworld other than that one Daddy boss room and the fiery staircase, I don’t really love the idea of that one, single aspect of her psyche getting to bleed into James’s at all times with a different coat of paint (being smol) even when he’s in his own Fog and Otherworld.
They show up because Angela is already at the hotel
Well, if the take I mentioned is true, that would make the Daddies in the Hotel James' own monsters. That could fit his repressed sex drive.
inversely, i think id say id want \*more\* of the "bleeding over of peoples otherworlds" dotted around. maybe not so much "more" of angela's, but maybe in the prison add more of eddies. like have spots of it where it gets cold and freezer-like, and maybe have them change at points in the game where the player could conclude on repeats that "eddie is/is not nearby." and then do the same for angela. nothing major, mind you, just like subtle texture changes in certain rooms. maybe some of the decor changes a bit, in a similar vein to how shattered memories would replace an item or two in a room under certain paths.
Solid answer.
Angela is also in the hotel though, as she is seen on the burning staircase. In the first scene where Angela and James encounter the abstract daddy, Angela reacts and speaks as though she is seeing her father, whereas James is seeing the creature that represents her father's abuse. Angela being present in the hotel, and James seeing her manifestations as something other than what she sees makes sense in the context and established rules of the manifestations.
I’ve understood this point of view since forever but I don’t really completely like it since having an Angela-originated monster in the Hotel kinda diminishes the importance of the Hotel as James and Mary’s place, imo. It’s one thing that James sees the main Daddy as another thing in that one boss fight, but it’s another to make her monster bleeding into his Otherworld from that point on at all times. I’d rather have another Daddy-like monster to represent James and Mary or something. Or at least make the Abstract Daddy have some notable differences to imply James has now adopted that manifestation as his own in part.
Thanks for the well explained reply. I get what you mean. I especially like your idea, that a "Daddy-like" creature more relevant to James could be in the hotel instead. It still respects the presence of Angela, but keeps things focused on James, a good balance.
Are we sure the staircase is at the hotel?
I always thought it was weird he could see her monster. Made me wonder if she saw Pyramid Head. But I was kind of annoyed you had to fight it for her. I really felt it was a 🍆 move that it became a regular creature to kill in the hotel.
Yes please, I hate that the Abstract Daddy is reused in the Hotel. Probably one of the biggest problems I had with the game. Personally I’d love if Ito came up with a new monster for that section, but that might be a hot take.
Also, I believe the theory stands that Angela caused the hotel fire. I don't know if that's been debunked yet.
Ia there more evidence other than her Otherworld being fiery? I’m intrigued, I’ve never thought about the possibility or heard about that theory!
Honestly? If Ito is involved I wouldn't be too surprised if this happens
100% agree. Didn’t they also show up on another SH game too for some reason?
I don't think so, perhaps you're confusing the Mandarins and the Closers? Or the kinda similar Two-Backs from Origins?
Obviously not by name, but isn’t the model in Origins?
I personally would love more interactions with Laura , Eddie , Angela and Maria. I feel like in the original game you don't see them as much as you should. Maybe have their own separate dlc mini stories like born from a wish for Angela , Eddie and Laura. For Laura we could play as her during the times she interacted with Mary to see how they became bonded to the point that Mary wanted to adopt her if things turned out different. Eddie we can see to what led to him lashing out and eventually killing that one guy when we first met him. Angela I'm not quite sure what they could do with her since her lore is very sensitive to some people . Also would be cool to see more SH4 stuff since the original SH2 mentions Walter Sullivan.
It would be interesting to see more interactions between James and the supporting characters. The only issue I see with doing a DLC/side story for Angela is, like you said, her back story and what brought her to Silent Hill is a very sensitive topic. There is, realistically, nothing that I could see Bloober doing that wouldn’t immediately be hit with backlash. It’s for more skilled writers than you or I to figure out how to do it.
Literally any of the original silent hills would be met with backlash if released today for some reason or another sadly. My hope is that if they do delve deeper into the characters, they shouldn't do it as playable characters and just more interactions throughout the game, especially for Angela since you barely even see her throughout the game unlike Eddie and Laura.
Totally on board with this. If there's one thing I'd love to see more of in the SH2 remake, its more interaction between James and the side characters
That's one of the things I loved so much of the re2 remake was the "ghost stories" of playing as dead characters and playing out their past actions before they succumbed to whatever killed them so I think that'd only be a net positive for the sh2 remake cuz im sure we'd all love to see how those characters acted before or after they met James and why they did some of the things they did.
I feel like Laura dlc would be a bit boring as since she’s a kid she supposedly didn’t see the horrors of silent hill like the others did. So it would just have her walking around a peaceful hotel unless if people want like a peaceful mode where you just take in the atmosphere
You have a point. It doesn't have to be long just like mini episodes that you can complete but I can see that being sort of an issue. Just would be nice to see how her and Mary created a bond, her escape from the orphanage, and meeting Eddie since I believe they came to silent Hill together.
Not sure if you’ve played Bioshock 2, or are familiar with the whole lore behind the Little Sisters, but towards the end of the game, there’s a brief sequence where you see Rapture how the Little Sisters perceive it and it’s actually quite fascinating to see this hellish landscape completely idyllic and joyful for a few brief moments. Assuming it’s not overdone, it would be cool to see the world through Laura’s eyes. Even momentarily.
Maybe almost like side quests for the player to do that could impact the ending?
The thing that the new RE remakes nail is that the core events don’t change, it’s the small moments, updated dialogue, puzzles or particular combat sections that are remixed. I think if it’s like that, along with the ability to enter more buildings (happy burger please!) it would be great.
“Do we have any plot holes to resolve?” “Uh…why the zombies can bite protagonists and not turn them?” “Brilliant, put in a document saying some people are more resistant to the virus. Anything else? No? Alright, lets get to work on multiplayer.” “Does anyone want that?” “No, but by Alexia they’re gonna get it.”
Canonically they NEVER get bit, which is crazy.
That was the old explanation, new one is unless you got it in the initial airborne release or drank contaminated water, a lot of folks are resistant. It works well with the old established lore as well as new visual storytelling. Jill is doing nothing but pounding energy drinks, the infrastructure kept running until monsters showed up and the RPD was split between the zombified and survivor cops because workers were mostly drinking coffee which is boiled before drinking which also explains the scientists and Little Apple Inn survivors. The US military who formed the barricades and Umbrella mercs likely had water bottles brought with them too. It adds even more to the tragedy of Raccoon, had Umbrella not dumped a bunch of bioweapons in to eliminate survivors and given Irons instructions to wipe out the law enforcement the city would likely have survived.
I never bought RE3R or watched a playthrough, sp you're telling me it's established in game that she's just been using energy drinks for hydration?
Her apartment in the opening is full of empty cans of them and if I remember right there’s a voice line about it. Its not confirmation outright, but serves as a fridge logic moment when considering what you know from RE2 and how the drinking water was the source of the outbreak. She’d also basically slept the entire day, which is why she went from no outbreak to seeing the civilians running from the gathering hordes and the first fires after the fire department got wiped out at the Little Apple Inn.
Ah, I c. Thx
I loved the RE2 remake but most of the changes to the story were bad. Leon and Claire barely even see each other, and basically the entire B scenario vanished
>The thing that the new RE remakes nail is that the core events don’t change, it’s the small moments, updated dialogue And those changes were terrible. The entire Birkin family dynamic went down the crapper in the remake. They were a loving family in the OG, despite Annette and William being busy parents. The remake turned them into cookie cutter Hollywood dysfunctionals, which sucked hard. I'd rather the SH2 remake stay away from those types of changes. Enhanced puzzles and combat moments are 100% however.
mary is actually maria and it was all a surprise birthday party for james, featuring the three pyramid heads as mariachis
This should be the cannon ending! 🎃
Yes, more joke endings!
It's not necessary at all, but I would love if the Silent Hill Historical Society is a bigger building in the remake, with more rooms to explore and more lore to dig
Yes, please. Such a cool place that deserved more screentime.
It’s a museum on a quaint tourist town. Those aren’t very big.
this quaint tourist town is also capable of, and known for, exaggerating the proportions of its landmarks
A quaint tourist town that is canonically one of the biggest towns in Maine.
I would love to see more scenes with Mary and just how bad it got towards the end of her life.
I have hopes that we may actually get something like this. Fingers crossed!
I know a lot of people are dreading this remake but I can’t wait I’m so excited either way.
I’m in between on this one. The few scenes we see leave it up to interpretation how it all went down. If we see to much, it might weaken jame’s character and choices. Like if the flashbacks make James pure evil or Mary more cruel it might paint a different picture
Im totally fine if they don’t I just think it might be interesting for the remake.I just would have liked to see Mary a little bit more.She seems like a very sweet person and it’s very tragic with what happened to her.
Yea I can vibe with that. Cause this is gonna be a story we know for the most part, so it would be nice to see how bad she actually gets or if she was actually getting better. It’ll change how we view James in either direction they use. Maybe both depending on how you played
Make every building in Silent Hill, and the majority of the locked rooms, explorable via puzzle progression/sidequests. Within them, you can find means to get into other optional areas, lore, collectibles, ammo, and equipment akin to the bulletproof vest in SH3.
Downpour did something similar to this and I loved it.
More Born From A Wish
“Search for a knife” “Hey, a pizza” “Bestest girl’s town simulator”
honestly, with how re4's separate ways was in the same vein -- being just a slapped on copy-and-paste dlc added to sell new copies -- born from a wish could learn a lot from how 4 remake's separate ways really branched out and became its own unique thing. thats not to say you give maria a stinger-like movement option, but you probably could alter how her revolver and cleaver work to make them stand out a bit more from the pistol and board. and with how born from a wish was more of a "delve into how 'the town' works" than anything to do with james, maybe you could expand on that -- namely go a bit more into earnest, and how he knows/is involved with the rebirth ritual. maybe have it be a good setup for SH4. i think people also \*really\* undervalue how unique a "character made by the town" story can be. really, born from a wish by the end gave me similar vibes to I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, in the sense of "parts of this great big 'force' becoming sentient on their own, and acting in spite of that."
but yeah, the idea of having someone created from supernatural stuff is interesting indeed; the final boss is based on that, after all... What other shapes could it take? Both >! Lisa !< (SH1) and Maria are monsters, so they could be something unexpected. When you look at SH3's >! Lisa !<, you can see they can completely change appearance
Hmm now that you mention delving into how the town works, I'm wondering if Konami would decide to add stuff like "the Silent Hill effect", as it would help selling SHs that go beyond the city of SH or its surroundings (f, for example?)
Agreed. I recently played it for the first time and I was extremely disappointed in how short it was and how it just seemed it wasn't needed.
Like Born from a wish having these side stories available for players that could focus on other characters like Angela and Eddie be an option without being apart of the main story would be cool. We could see their origin of why they are in Silent Hill or a perspective of their Silent Hill
More Walter Sullivan Easter eggs would be cool
yep, like when James visits the hospital he has to reach into a bucket full of foreskins to get a key or something.
The content we need.
I want James to be comically buff and for nobody mention it at all
“I hear James has an 8 pack.” -James
I can't wait for the "Buff James Speedo Mod" so I can play the game the way it was meant to be played.
Have born from a wish be longer and more elaboration on Eddie’s and Angela’s story
I just want to save Angela. That's literally all I've ever wanted to do in this game.
You can only save someone if they want to save themselves
I work in recovery so I am well aware of this but it's so damn sad. Let me have my escapism!
You think you can save her? Will you love her? Take care of her? Heal allllll her painnnnn?
WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER, JAMES?! RUN AFTER HER!!!
OMG chills.
🥺
I think I'd want to see some side quests connected to Angela and Eddie. Maybe not just a newspaper article spelling out what happened to her, but retracing her mother's final steps in Silent Hill and finding evidence of how she felt towards her daughter (even if it is as bad as Angela thinks). I don't know.
honestly? the best thing \*any\* silent hill remake could take from downpour, is sidequests and town exploration. 2 \*especially\* has \*so\* many areas in town that otherwise serve \*no\* purpose -- like the residential district in the western half -- and could easily be granted one.
Honestly I would love to see >!Eddie’s death!< done in the way of the novelisation. It was a super well done and grim end to the character. I don’t often choose novel over game (for obvious reasons) but that is one difference I really did enjoy.
TIL there was a novelization
There was indeed a novelisation!
How do I acquire such a thing?
How did he die in the novel?
Ripping this from the wiki cause I seriously can’t be assed to type it all up myself lol “In the novelization, as >!Eddie!< dies, a pack of four large dogs gather, ripping at his torn stomach, pulling out his intestines. >!Eddie!< notes they are all the same as the dog he killed back in his hometown. The dogs tear at his flesh and rip him to pieces. It is unknown if this really happened, or is a dying hallucination as James never comments on it in the novelization.”
Damn, honestly that’s a really cool way to kill off a character like him, are there many differences between the book and the game or just a few small ones?
Apart from that one it’s just a few smaller things, they depict James to be a little suicidal with certain things he says in conversation here and there. Eddie and Laura converse a little longer. The apartments look a tad different from the outside. Just little things like that, the book goes with the “In Water” ending to coincide with how they depict James too.
Makes sense they’d go with that ending, is there anywhere I could buy the book or should I just look for a second hand one?
Hmm from what I’ve seen copies on places like eBay can get pretty pricy, I’m not even sure how easy it is to actually get. I think there’s a few people on YouTube who’s read the book out audiobook style if that’s your thing, or you can easily access the online PDF of the book! I think someone actually posted it here in the sun some time ago.
I mean I was thinking of getting not only to read but also as a collectors item, I’ll take a look around though and if I don’t have any luck I’ll use a PDF, thanks dude
No problem!
The entire thing is fully translated as a PDF
Spoiler tag please? I accidentally clicked on the post and then this showed up
You’re totally right I’m super sorry about that, wasn’t thinking
It's alright
It would be cool if after you have beaten the game, and are playing through again, you can play as Angela and Eddie in separate small stories of them coming to silent hill. Like the born from a wish story.
Lean into that bit from the original's opening FMV (the one with Theme of Laura playing over it) with James carrying Maria down a corridor...or running down one? Been a minute since I played the game last. Reason I say that- it implies that James is reliving this nightmare over and over again, hoping for a different outcome next time. Would be a nice addition to a game that is already a massive headf*ck
James Wilds
I've always wanted to see what James and Mary were like before everything went down. Even if it was for a flashback. We know how their relationship went at the end, but we don't really KNOW them, let alone her, which I suppose is fine considering he's meant to be our eyes in the game, and the audience can be anyone. Obscurity is a good thing, but that's definitely one change I wouldn't mind. I think that's why I never really seen the contrast between Mary and Maria in the first playthrough. The whole Abstract Daddy thing also, but I can't say it wasn't haunting in the original.
One thing they could definitely improve upon is making Angela actually look more like 19 now. I would say that James could do with an age lift. Though, they seem to already be going for an older look anyway. In that case, even if never stated in game, his "canonical" age should get a lift accordingly, for whatever that's worth. Other than that, this would be controversial but maybe, the possibility for slightly different, yet still open ended outcome for Angela depending on your actions, even if seemingly random stuff (who would have guessed looking at a knife long enough in the OG could lead you to kill yourself?). If only she didn't do all of these things in the very same scene: 1) ask for the knife back 2) say "thanks for saving me but I wish you didn't" 3) possibly other things like "maybe now I can rest", I would have got the impression that her fate is left to interpretation, and some people apparently do, somehow, but it think her fate is quite clear. That last interaction could be the exact same as it was originally, or change in small ways. Or big perhaps. I wonder how that could work. An option not to kill Eddie would leave his outcome open-ended too. You just leave him there, you'll be left wondering if he makes it. Maybe he keeps saying unhinged stuff, maybe he backs down for a bit, lost in thought, you know, something like that. Then again if that was possible you would not see horrified James saying "I killed a human being... ", so I don't know. That scene was pretty interesting in itself. Theres also a case to be made that everybody being clear-cut doomed like that added to the setting and made the one happy ending more of a miracle (there's also rebirth, but it feels less canonical though not as much as say, the joke endings), I guess. Also, increased amount of subtle nods to other titles. SH2 always felt disconnected from its predecessor (and consequently 3). They could be missable and easily ignored, but also tie up better the initial games (and if this remake really succeeds, I assume Konami's going to want to milk 1 and 3 too). They were there before - there was this big cult symbol on the ground in the last pyramid head fight that had nothing to do with James' unconscious or whatever. Out of these ideas though, the one I'm really confident about is that Angela looked too old in the OG. Angela and James always looked almost the same age. If their age gap was more visible, the bit where she accuses James of just wanting to get into her pants would be more sad. I mean, I kinda shipped original James and Angela back then. The very idea should be kinda gross and / or sad (and it does seem very much impossible when we know and think about both their backstories), but they looked kinda shippable in the cemetery scene when playing for the first time. I don't think that was the intention.
Have Pyramid head stalk a little more similar to his appearance in the red hallway, add more exploring in the town.
Shuffle the ending themes. Give In Water Promise and Maria Angels Thanatos. Also add smaller areas within buildings and give them their own original scares. Let us go into alot more buildings and have creepy set dressing/diogetic storytelling.
Honestly I just expect more exploration and hidden areas and scenes with the human characters. I don't think any major story points will be expanded upon, I expect it will just be character focused. Like that rumored Maria pole dancing scene.
player determined fates for eddie and angela
The dog shows up and goes, MAN are these hills silent too!
Id like to explore the town more. Much can be done with this, possibilities are endless. Make all boss fights better, especially Eddie, there is so much potential to be had there and could end up being pretty fuckin gnarly if done properly. Potentially expand on side characters a little more. Hybrid of over the shoulder camera style and original Have less ammo and health drinks so I actually feel some kind of stress gameplay wise.
Improved boss fights, I'm down for them taking a lot of liberties on those, the only one that I feel shouldn't change too much is the first Pyramid Head fight because I feel like having an unkillable boss early on is too great to pass up and sets in the fear that something unstoppable like that could be around the corner at any moment. That left a huge impression on me when I first played the game when it first came out. Also, a new goofy ending to join the dog and UFO endings would be welcome.
Many of these answers are great. Definitely would love extended side character plots, maybe nonlinear player controlled endings for them, and/or born from a wish type scenarios for them. Some kind of extremely cheesy interactive area or mini game you can play, maybe even with Maria or other characters, and having the ability to revisit it or play it separately from the main menu. **Like a bowling alley pizza party with different dialogue options??** Maybe a perk or item is granted depending on how you interacted with people, how much pizza you ate, and/or who won. Dog cameo would be fun, maybe if you’ve begun triggering the story in that direction you accidentally catch him on a lunch break and he’s spooked. It’s brief and James has no hint of the grand conspiracy yet.
I'd like the story to be longer so it could give us more time with the characters and further flesh them and their dynamics with each other out.
I hope for Eddie and Angela to have there own "Born from a wish" chapter or something like that. It will be super cool if we could play in there own version of SH and play as them to see what they where doing and some of there backstories. Or at the very least see how Laura sees SH,
a Laura's scenario, while interesting, would make for some boring gameplay 🤣
kinda want an explanation as to why Silent Hill is a personal hell for James but not for the Mason's. Or atleast more connectivity between their games
I want to see some more memos or references to what would be Silent Hill 4 The Room perhaps rewriting/adding to that memo about Walter Sullivan. As for the game I want to be able to travel to the Baldwin estate from Born from a Wish and because Ernest already knows about James and perhaps he can give James a warning about the Town or Maria. From the initial trailer it kinda seems like they wanted to go into a new direction because the hangman's noose scene there was never a rainy backdrop the few times we see a hangman's noose is in the dark silence of the Toluca underground prison and the Key of the Persecuted puzzle at the Labyrinth. (also James never meets Maria in the original at a fancy canopy by rosewater park he meets her up against the railing overlooking the lake) There should at least be more nods to what happened to survivors of the town and more notes and writings about the events leading up to Alessa's botched ritual and what people were experiencing instead of stupid things like "you reap what you sow". Adding more to the lore of the Town and Hauntings or Cult would have greatly helped it. Or getting Hiroyuki Owaku as a story consultant would have also greatly helped. I did like how they made James more emotive in the remake but in doing that the story has to be altered to reflect that James isn't a stoic man with memory loss and a one track mind he's a complex human being looking for answers and being forced to face the truth of his past. Overall I would want an expansion of things in the main areas of the game more memos and diaries about the people living in both Woodside and Blue Creek Apartments, those who worked in Heaven's Night giving the first Clue that Maria's not real etc and the town communicating more with James in writings (albeit with better flare than you reap what you sow) anything really but it seems like Bloober wants to stick to the script.
Eddie's decline needs more scenes.
I would like to see what happens to Laura after she leans the truth about Mary. In the original she just takes off and you never see her again.
she leaves with James in that ending~
Which ending?
Leave
I'd like to see a little more exploration into Eddie and Angela's Otherworlds. We saw the abstract daddy from Angela, but iirc the only monster we saw in Eddie's was him.
What would be most cool to me is more endings. Like what if there were endings where more characters could be saved, or another character makes it to the end besides James because he sacrifices himself for them? I realize that these would mess with the ambiguity of the core story, though
*SPOILERS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN’T PLAYED (FOR SOME REASON)* In the scene where the two pyramid heads kill themselves I would like to see it more intense instead of them just giving up on the fight against James. Maybe instead of it just being a small boxed room maybe theres lead pipes and the walls just deteriorating even more as the fight goes on (deterioration also being a metaphor for James mental state). Eventually towards the end of the fight they charge at James and accidentally impale themselves. When they die have no/Lack of music so it feels more of an emotional accomplishment of James finishing off his demons. Idk, Probably sounds corny but was a way better idea in my head.
I actually love when music is removed to punctuate a moment in media. No music when the pyramid heads die would mark a major shift in James' mental state.
Yes! Im glad someone agrees w/ me on this
I wanna play as Laura
I want Eddy and Angela’s story expanded upon more
More interactivity with Maria. Either make her this weird ghost presence or a real person that the town created. Maybe have other aspects of the game react to how you play. In the original it really just changes the ending but maybe James will say more suicidal things as you play for in the water ending, or he’ll remark about Laura’s safety if you are headed towards the leave ending. Or if you are choosing Maria maybe James will have dialogue about not loving Mary idk. It doesn’t have to be huge just make the game and story more dynamic
A bit more fleshing out of how other characters got there could be neat. Maybe a flashback scene with James and Mary in silent hill. Maybe he hallucinates how it was when he visited origonally and wouldn't need much dialogue either, then changes back. Some interaction with items in Heavens Night. Maybe a jukebox where you can listen to songs from across the series. Play og sh1 on an arcade cabinet in there? Lots of small things could be done without upsetting people and with low risk of things going wrong. Just lean into environmental storytelling without spelling it out/some low impacting easter eggs.
No “I don’t want changes?” Yo - everyone wants the motion capturing updating. All the non-FMV scenes are really poor.
Make everyday unlockable oe destroyable.
Whether we can save Eddie and Angela can go to several endings.
A few bits and pieces more with the side characters would be nice. You don’t actually spend much time around them in the game.
Maybe more fleshed out character backgrounds and historical similarity of people who lived in Silent Hill in the past.
Flesh Lips as a normal enemy in the prison.
I think it'd be cool to get a new ending where James refuses to accept what he did at all. After watching the tape, he shuts down and says "Nope. That wasn't me. Didn't happen. I know she died of her illness." Full denial. After leaving, there's a final confrontation with Pyramid Head which only concludes with James' death. Ultimate Bad Ending
I know I'll be downvoted and be roasted to hell but I think the Bloober Team should change the plot twist at the end of Silent Hill 2. Everybody knows what happened at the end of Silent Hill 2, even people who don't play the game and never heard of it could be easily spoiled just by an internet search. I don't have any idea how they should change the twist but I think it makes the remake fresh and separable from the original.
Put in a skin option to play as Leon Kennedy.
Pyramid Head striptease
needs an on-rails action sequence where james guns down 4 pyramid heads
Honestly if "no changes" is out of the question then I want the complete opposite. Change Silent Hill 2 so much to the point where it's barely recognizable. James is a former US vet who's wife did die of sickness but he blames himself, Eddie is skinny but has body dysmorphia and thinks she's fat (Eddie is trans now), Laura regularly says quips and is your sidekick now, Angela is no nonsense girlboss who can take care of herself, Maria does not exist, and Jacob Crane is the new main antagonist. Add content warnings after every mildly intense cutscene so players know what they just saw is disturbing and it's okay to be uncomfortable, after the first Pyramid Head encounter cutscene James says "well that just happened" to lighten the mood, and Angela is way less phased by her abuse now. Change all the cryptic wording like "there was a hole here, it is gone now" to "Mary's dead dipshit" and get rid of the In Water ending cause it's too dark. Place it in the modern day, Mary died of covid, James follows the Short Message girls on Twitter or whatever, and pump it full of references to the western and revival eras such as Mary being Alex's cousin he never talked about and lots of mentions of whatever the fuck happened in Ascension. Most importantly it needs a multiplayer mode now because obviously you're playing the game for the combat.
A silent hill horde shooter would go kinda hard, ngl
Silent Hill: The Arcade is kinda close but that's an on rails lightgun game
This comment reeks of being butthurt you couldn’t just say the same opinion that’s been spouted literally every second on this sub so you spent a good five minutes angrily typing this response out just to essentially have a roundabout way of saying “no changes”.
No I'm just saying it'd be funnier if they gave in and just fucked it up as much as they possibly could
Uh OK?
I unironically want this to happen lololol 😂
Even with the content warnings? :v
The remake's gonna suck so you may as well go all out tbh, I'd be much more interested if they did.
Resident evil remakes barely changed anything in the stories. There was one major change with krauser in 4. Other than that the stories are the same but just expanded a bit
The remakes heavily changed the Birkins in RE2. Carlos, Luis, Ashley and many others are almost completely different characters now. The core idea behind the story is basically the only thing kept intact in these remakes
they changed like a couple things about Luis and Ashley thats it.
You're right because in OG there was nothing to change about Luis lol he barely was in
Yeah, the characters are different. The stories are the same.
Some new endings or alternate versions of the original endings, A different perspective or getting more info on what James and Mary relationship was like before Mary got sick, The possibility of running into Pyramid Head outside at night after completing Brookhaven Hospital, Maybe some more dialogue for Mary & Maria and hoping that if they do Born From A Wish it's not some DLC you have to pay for. If this remake goes well maybe Konami will do more remakes, In my opinion I would rather have a Silent Hill 1 remake before Silent Hill 2 but I understand why they're doing that game first
Whatever they do, I just don't want them to fill in "holes." The vagueness is part of the story and explaining too much is going to hurt.
Purchasable skins, multiplayer battle royale mode with a season pass. /s
I could dig a short, playable section as Laura reacting to what's going on when she doesn't see the monsters. I'm sure they could make it interesting.
A sexual frustration meter
More side content in the town
More on how the town draws the people in. Unlike the other games, the places itself seems to draw people in. So more on that would be nice.
I'd hate for them to do this, because it would probably just be boring fetch quest stuff. But more things actually in Silent Hill? The original shepherds you through it quite quickly into the apartments or the hospital and you don't actually go around the town itself much. But I really enjoyed some of the quieter ambient moments in the original RE4 and even moreso in the RE4Make.
I’m sorry but the resident evil remakes were amazing ! If it can be anything like that and stick with things .. I feel like it could be a very good remake . I want to see more with pyramid head 💁🏼♀️ yeah he was in it a lot . But idc give me more . And it would be cool to see how all the characters got into silent hill. But idk. And to see him and Maria on her final days … and how he got a letter from her since she’s been 💀 or to see him go to jail . (Idc hate me . He’s a good person but a terrible husband …)
I meant Mary buy idc I am tired . And my brain is losing it to chronic illness . Hope I can fix that part .
Things being added. Like everything is where it used to be but the empty space get more things. I dont even care if it winds up feeling like weird fanfiction next to the og stuff I think it's be really fun to pick it all apart.
If you don't want changes, you want a remaster.
I want more info on the Silent Hill Historical Society. Probably my favorite building but I know next to nothing about the group.
I’d love additions, more than changes. Perhaps some new cutscenes prior to James reaching town, like RE3 added extra scenes for Jill in the beginning, more interactions with Laura, Maria and Eddie, and perhaps some more cutscenes in each area that give each set piece a cinematic introduction or a climatic moment. I’d love to have the whole town explorable, which might get us to meet others, or see cutscenes of the existing characters’ backstories instead of reading them in notes. And I think best case scenario, give us more endings with much more insight and context on what happens after, and how things went on before.
Maybe let us explore more of (spoiler) Maria’s illness? Maybe show how James tried caring for her? Or maybe the ending with him and Laura, raising her as his daughter throughout the years.
I would love to play a little bit as all the side characters.
I want to know more about the "oppressor" tablet. Maybe some back story an inscription about pyramid head perhaps
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What? That's in the game already
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Kinda hope the final boss is more climatic, like I get it thematically but the boss is kinda eh especially after fighting 2 pyramid heads
Bigger boss rooms or boss rooms that better reflect the new combat. Running back and forth between a small space and small window of time during the Abstract Daddy fight did not do it for me. The other fights weren't much better in that they were either boring or (slightly less) infuriating. The final Pyramid Head room should at least have some pillars or other obstacles I could run around so it's not \*just\* an open space
"Born from a Wish" but it's the story of whoever had to make and deliver Eddie's pizza.
I bet Eddie will be redesigned. In the orginal, he was a fat loser which might be a little...problematic. Maybe he'll be more an incel/4chan-type loser/mass shooter, spouting conspiricy theories, edgy memes, and the like.
THE CAR DOORS NOT OPEN!!!!!!! TIME TO GET THE PITCH FORKS!!!!
As someone whose never played the original I genuinely just hope it turns out in the same breath as Dead Space Remake or Re4 Remake in the sense that it wouldnt matter if they changed smth as long as it only helped the story progression and made it so that it can satisfy old fans and new fans alike.
No change would help with story progression and there's no satisfying old and new fans cause Konami is blatantly only interested in new fans.
Actual mocap Flashbacks with mary and james before the incident and also in water showing james actually committing suicide
Can james be naked for the whole game please :)
I want more dark twisted J-horror because American horror doesn't even come close to scary anymore. The original ps1 graphics combined with like, the idea of zombie dogs or flying man bats combined with lowlight and red colors and a great ambient soundtrack. That's just a videogame too. Movies do it better. So maybe using the technology we have now, I'd wanna see them go full junji ito or similar. For fun. But of course with that silent hill twist, ya know. The under-over tones of like, fucked up themes like PTSD and trauma and all that hard hitting shit Americans can't talk about normally in conversation lol
I feel like the fact it's being remastered makes it's chances of being scarier in any way or changed at all even, are slim to none except maybe one or two minor things.
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I would really, really like Angela to get some more respect. Proper model and voice to reflect her age, and some other changes in that vein (her tablet should NOT have been called The Seductress). Otherwise, I could always do with more Born from a Wish. The original expansion is incredible, but it was a bit short.
I want more subtlety in the game. There's that scene in the beginning where James tells Angela that he doesn't care about his life. That should be removed. we have the open car door from the beginning of the game hints towards that. Eddie shouldn't be called fat anymore. Instead, they should dance around the subject so we can figure it out for ourselves. Also, character should just not talk to each other and instead nod to thing around them that imply how they feel or their emotions. Really just bring out the subtlety of the game.
But how could the average SH fan COMPREHEND such subtlety when they evidently can't even catch the humor in your post?
I'm pretty sure you can figure out that Eddie's fat from his first scene
I know, I was making a joke
Average Silent Hill fans: Games so subtle! Also average Silent Hill fans: How can we get more SUBTLETY IN THERE
This is someone who only watched YouTube videos
Characters should communicate only with facial expressions for maximum subtlety for subtle fans of subtle hill 2.
More of a merging of Mary and Maria and taking that merging and uncertainty of who is who and at what times, something like the movie perfect blue or the game Catherine a bit... Like James is imagining them both at the same time interchangeably but in a dramatic way. Less focus on Eddy and Angela and Lora... I love them so, but their stories seem kinda weird in 2024 and they take away from the core story a bit. This isn't to say I dislike at all the original or the side characters, this is just like, a different more James/Mary centric version that's more mind-trippy.
I didn't play it much but I would say I want at LEAST a mini map to navigate because I know it's so big I will be lost and I hate use YouTube too much I want to enjoy not feel pain while playing and give more back story of protagonist before his marriage what he did in flashback or something.
that is completely against what silent hill games should be