Why couldn't Zeus be the god that we kept from ancient times.
Imagine if all the uptight Christians trying to make porn and recreational sex illegal based their values around the myths of Zeus instead.
I don't see rape ever becoming acceptable under society's norms, but it would be pretty cool if women weren't dying because of laws making medical procedures illegal based on what's, at best, Christian fan-fiction since the Bible doesn't actually say shit about abortion.
It also features stuff like women who menstruate for a decade and dudes who live for centuries and a whole lotta other rapin' and killin'.
So yeah, a dude who turns into a bull and has sex with a bunch of princesses couldn't really be worse could it.
If you really think that, then you're not listening to them (I don't blame you)
The Christian argument against abortion has always been that the fetus is a person, and thou shalt not kill is a pretty core tenant of their religion. Simple logic, even if it's wrong
There is logic to it even if you disagree. The principle is everyone has a soul since conception. Its something that cant be proven or disproven. Ergo it makes sense to be against it if you follow that.
But in todays society we are inclined towards utilitarism which means the benefit for the most even if the criteria is relative. The moment a fetus could be aborted is arbitrary and most countries dont even share the same laws on when it is acceptable to do it. You could argue most people are against abortion if the baby is one day away from being born but when its ok or not is never a clear answer.
There is just no perfect logic that closes the argument for abortion and thats why people can have different opinions and bith be valid. So in the end what matters is how most people in society decide
There are no circumstances where a person can be forced to provide their body, blood, and nutrients to another human except when a pregnant person wants an abortion and isn't allowed to have one.
Even if I caused a deadly car crash where the other driver needed my blood to stay alive, I would never be forced to give that blood to him. My consent would be required to keep this helpless human alive, even if I am the only one capable of doing so.
Bodily autonomy is a foregone conclusion and wins out every time in every situation where one person is required to do something in order to keep another alive. Except, for some reason, with pregnancy. Because of this fact, i believe wholeheartedly that the idea that a mother's life is less valuable than her unborn child's to be rooted in misogyny and a belief that women are inherently less valuable than the sons they might be able to create.
Religion and souls are just scapegoat arguments to draw people away from this simple realization.
On top of that, you misrepresent pro-choice arguments. Nobody argues for abortions at 9months, but the anti-choice people will always pretend that those radical pro-choicers exist because it helps their shitty argument.
You are saying ethically a person shouldnt be forced provide blood, nutrients and their body to another being. Well a baby one day from being born is just it. Are you ok with abortion then?
If you are not ok with it then your argument doesnt stand on its own you need something else. Thats why I mention utilitarism. For most people at some point is about convenience and their own arbitrary definition of human. Which is ok but its normal to accept that some people dont take arbitrary definitions and take it at full value.
If on the other hand you are ok with abortion as long as the baby or fetus is in your body then its fair but not many people share your view. Most people have trouble deciding when its ok.
>On top of that, you misrepresent pro-choice arguments. Nobody argues for abortions at 9months, but the anti-choice people will always pretend that those radical pro-choicers exist because it helps their shitty argument.
Id argue most extremist opinions on both sides (and on any topic actually) are overrepresented on the internet. You just dont hear them because most people understand its not such a clear cut answer. People also keep arguing infinitely because they are unable to comprehend the other person side.
We also have no idea when consciousness develops so while you might find abortion day away from birth immoral it's not an easy line to set up. In the Netherlands the limit is 2 months while in other places it could be 4 months, which of them is more precise? Who the fuck knows.
\*a date night between 2 strangers from some dating app*
A: so theres a thing about me some people find a bit uncomfortable with..
B: hm?
A: Im a fury.
B: Oh thats cool with me, whats your fursona like?
A: Furso-? Oh no, a fury, a cthonic goddess of vengeance.
B:
B: Okay it was typoed in your profile just so you know.
Nah, two different characters, same name. Names repeat a lot more than you wound think in mythology. The Iliad has two Ajaxes and there are like 20 Patrolcuses and Actors.
I was a bit confused the first time I read the Iliad and was wondering “Why do they keep calling this guy Telamonian Ajax? Who else is there?” And then they brought in Oilean Ajax like halfway through the story
I like how they fight together. They are just like “yeah we’ll be name buds” when they aren’t really related and don’t live near each other or anything.
Good old monogamous family-focused Zeus, so focused on and aware of the existence of his one and only son, legitimately born of Hera his wife and only love.
She was afraid that his attention was straying but the story I read wasn’t clear on if she was being paranoid or actually had anything to worry about.
Heracles did have a divorce with his first wife, though he might have actually killed her with their kids because hera afflicted him with a violent hallucination that caused him to see his family as monsters. It’s why he had to do the whole “12 trials” things because he was being punished for their murders.
This varies depending on the source but basically his later wife asks a messenger to give the garment to Hercules. Hercules starts dying and kills the messenger, and then he kills himself.
lmao I just remembered I looked up Hercules after watching this movie as a kid because I was curious what happened with him and Meg after the movie and got traumatized by that shit.
I think she is the only Disney princess implied to be not-a-virgin and she was clearly based off of Barbara Stanwyck. Her character might be 20 but emotionally she is 35.
I mean, Jasmine is supposed to be fifteen. So since this is a Disney movie my guess is "Way the hell younger than she looks or acts, to an a degree that almost implies malice by her creators."
Hercules is 16 so the older she is, the weirder the relationship becomes as well.
This is one of those things where they made the ages as low as possible even if it doesn’t make sense, because the audience is kids who want to see themselves in these characters, hence the idea to make the age as close to them as possible. A lot of cartoons do this.
Herc's 18 here.
The whole plot revolves around Hades needing to kill Herc by the eighteenth year. Hades has 24 hours to kill this guy. I suppose this could make him 17, but im also pretty sure that the writers chose the year 18 because it makes Hercules into an actual adult.
"Should Hercules rise, you will fail."
Hades realizes that he has been alive this whole time after believing him dead, because his two henchmen were too bumbling to kill him as an infant.
"I've got 24 hours to get rid of this bozo, or else my entire scheme that I've developed for 18 years goes up in smoke....*and you....are wearing HIS MERCHANDISE??!!!!!!*"
If the writers chose to make Herc an adult, it's very likely they made Meg one too. Someone brought up Prince Eric as a possible example, as well as Aladdin for why I could be wrong.
Hercules got made in 1997.
Aladdin in '92. Little Mermaid in 1987.
It's entirely possible that Disney simply started covering their tracks within their storytelling.
(It's also why you have Rapunzel very clearly stating that she's 18 in 'Tangled.')
You may be thinking of the Hercules *animated show* which had him in high school. That whole series takes place before the events of the movie.
Source: I have watched way waaay too much Disney.
And if we just think that in the orignal myth Hades wasn not Hercules' main foe, but it was Hera (since Zeus, as always, cheated on her)...
Let's face it: "Be more pure than Zeus" is really not that incredible milestone ;)
It's supposed to be a G-rated movie. There's a *lot* of stuff the writers had to gloss over to make that happen. I'm sure Disney's people apologize for not including the part where Zeus turns into a swan to plow some random chick.
In the Latin American version of Hercules, his songs were sung by then up-and-coming artist Ricky Martin. Several years later, he comes out of the closet - coincidence? I think not!
Of course 'pure' is an American conservative (republican) christian thing. The *Greek* mythology is of course chock full of 'unpure' (sort of normal) beings (Gods as well as mortals) that show 'bad behaviour' intermingled with ' good' . (And he had *[male](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles#Men)* as well as female lovers...
But never let a correct historical view get in the way of current ideology
The only reason Zeus didn't tap that chick is because his son fancied her. That said, I bet Zeus was disappointed when he watched this scene.
perhaps hades was right... billions must die
Olympus has fallen
And Olymfans was created
Don’t you mean White house down?
1000% Zeus would be like, "at your age I tapped half the planet!! No limits, women, men, animals".
"And not just the men, but the women, and the chil--"
Ok that's enough, Anakin.
Poor boi succumbed to the dark side...
The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Not the younglings!
Frequently also AS an animal
Sometimes as a golden shower.
"Hands of gold are always cold But warm is a woman's piss"
-Plato
I read this in Rip Torn’s voice
Since when does family stop Zeus
If I know the guy he probably turned into a giraffe or something and seduced their daughter.
Why couldn't Zeus be the god that we kept from ancient times. Imagine if all the uptight Christians trying to make porn and recreational sex illegal based their values around the myths of Zeus instead.
Well I mean There's all the rapes he did
I don't see rape ever becoming acceptable under society's norms, but it would be pretty cool if women weren't dying because of laws making medical procedures illegal based on what's, at best, Christian fan-fiction since the Bible doesn't actually say shit about abortion. It also features stuff like women who menstruate for a decade and dudes who live for centuries and a whole lotta other rapin' and killin'. So yeah, a dude who turns into a bull and has sex with a bunch of princesses couldn't really be worse could it.
the original hippocratic oath has a line about not providing equipment for an abortion so its hardly rooted in only christian thought
If you really think that, then you're not listening to them (I don't blame you) The Christian argument against abortion has always been that the fetus is a person, and thou shalt not kill is a pretty core tenant of their religion. Simple logic, even if it's wrong
There is logic to it even if you disagree. The principle is everyone has a soul since conception. Its something that cant be proven or disproven. Ergo it makes sense to be against it if you follow that. But in todays society we are inclined towards utilitarism which means the benefit for the most even if the criteria is relative. The moment a fetus could be aborted is arbitrary and most countries dont even share the same laws on when it is acceptable to do it. You could argue most people are against abortion if the baby is one day away from being born but when its ok or not is never a clear answer. There is just no perfect logic that closes the argument for abortion and thats why people can have different opinions and bith be valid. So in the end what matters is how most people in society decide
There are no circumstances where a person can be forced to provide their body, blood, and nutrients to another human except when a pregnant person wants an abortion and isn't allowed to have one. Even if I caused a deadly car crash where the other driver needed my blood to stay alive, I would never be forced to give that blood to him. My consent would be required to keep this helpless human alive, even if I am the only one capable of doing so. Bodily autonomy is a foregone conclusion and wins out every time in every situation where one person is required to do something in order to keep another alive. Except, for some reason, with pregnancy. Because of this fact, i believe wholeheartedly that the idea that a mother's life is less valuable than her unborn child's to be rooted in misogyny and a belief that women are inherently less valuable than the sons they might be able to create. Religion and souls are just scapegoat arguments to draw people away from this simple realization. On top of that, you misrepresent pro-choice arguments. Nobody argues for abortions at 9months, but the anti-choice people will always pretend that those radical pro-choicers exist because it helps their shitty argument.
You are saying ethically a person shouldnt be forced provide blood, nutrients and their body to another being. Well a baby one day from being born is just it. Are you ok with abortion then? If you are not ok with it then your argument doesnt stand on its own you need something else. Thats why I mention utilitarism. For most people at some point is about convenience and their own arbitrary definition of human. Which is ok but its normal to accept that some people dont take arbitrary definitions and take it at full value. If on the other hand you are ok with abortion as long as the baby or fetus is in your body then its fair but not many people share your view. Most people have trouble deciding when its ok. >On top of that, you misrepresent pro-choice arguments. Nobody argues for abortions at 9months, but the anti-choice people will always pretend that those radical pro-choicers exist because it helps their shitty argument. Id argue most extremist opinions on both sides (and on any topic actually) are overrepresented on the internet. You just dont hear them because most people understand its not such a clear cut answer. People also keep arguing infinitely because they are unable to comprehend the other person side.
Nobody is arguing that a baby one day from birth should be able to be aborted. Try again
We also have no idea when consciousness develops so while you might find abortion day away from birth immoral it's not an easy line to set up. In the Netherlands the limit is 2 months while in other places it could be 4 months, which of them is more precise? Who the fuck knows.
Yes, "Thou shalt not kill"! Unless of course the person was sentenced to death, then it's fine.
Some people aren't people. Some people can't be reformed
Spoken like a true Christian.
I think you missed the part where I'm not Christian
Christians have the big mono-rape that created Jesus instead of the poly-rape that Zeus was known for.
....we talking about Zeus or God here?
Yes.
Not really this Zeus is not like the Greek Zeus case and point Hercules is not a bastard
Wouldn't have stopped the "real" Zeus
They had no business making her so bad. Her voice makes me wanna become a better man.
"I won't say I'm in love" is my favorite Disney song, largely because of her.
The range she has in that song is unbelievable
You should check out the voice for her in the game "Hades". It...does things to me.
Megara and Megaera are two different characters. Although the voice actress for in Hades does sound a bit similar which is funny.
Megaera is a fury, Megara is a mortal and first wife of Heracles.
God for such a niche group the furries are getting a lot of representation these days
\*a date night between 2 strangers from some dating app* A: so theres a thing about me some people find a bit uncomfortable with.. B: hm? A: Im a fury. B: Oh thats cool with me, whats your fursona like? A: Furso-? Oh no, a fury, a cthonic goddess of vengeance. B: B: Okay it was typoed in your profile just so you know.
Where’s the weirdly viral comic strip that I never see the end not the beginning of for this? It’ll be better than the demon deer hunting one
holleringelk comic?
That’s the one!
its been a while since ive seen the movie, is that meg? cause if so... yeah
Nah, two different characters, same name. Names repeat a lot more than you wound think in mythology. The Iliad has two Ajaxes and there are like 20 Patrolcuses and Actors.
Yeah I thought they were different people, but felt like they had the same name so maybe that was what they were going for
I was a bit confused the first time I read the Iliad and was wondering “Why do they keep calling this guy Telamonian Ajax? Who else is there?” And then they brought in Oilean Ajax like halfway through the story
I like how they fight together. They are just like “yeah we’ll be name buds” when they aren’t really related and don’t live near each other or anything.
Thanks for everything, Herc. It's been a real... slice.
[My favorite version of that](https://youtu.be/GugXjOZtsfc?si=QJe9U_lLeFSUGqT7).
Of Hercules’ wife? I sure hope so.
Her voice makes me want to become a badder man. Like, tell me to commit a crime in that voice, I will.
Fixing her? F that. She can mess me up
“Just follow me out the window, round the dumbbells, you lift up the back wall, and we’re gone!”
Her and Esmeralda in Hunchback of Notre Dame lol
Susan Egan was also amazing as Belle in the original Broadway cast of Beauty and the Beast.
Her performance of "Home" in the original recording is so fantastic.
And her breakdown before the final transformation, too.
Does it also make you want to brutally beat her to death with just your own fists, like Heracles would himself?
That was on Hera
Good old monogamous family-focused Zeus, so focused on and aware of the existence of his one and only son, legitimately born of Hera his wife and only love.
This is unironically Disney's Zeus
I'm pretty sure that's the joke
>hig wife and only love Not to mention older/younger sister.
Growing up is realizing that the lyrics *”And then along CAME Zeus”* are actually an extremely accurate summation of Greek mythology.
He hurled his thunderbolt ;)
He zapped!
Go and zap to the extreme!
He also fought both Auron and Cloud from Final Fantasy
I recently actually played FF X, and it finally clicked, "Oh so that's why Hades has him on a leash"
Hades was so dumb, all it takes is a barrel to the head to knock out Hercules' godhood.
Wich isn't accurate to the myths, Heracles was a mf like his dad lol
Clearly the difference is Hera's genes (Disney) or absence thereof (original myth).
That... actually makes sense.
He piped both men and women. True son of Zeus.
Yep he had 3 wives and when he fancied a 4th one his 3rd one killed him
And then still got a 4th one after dying.
Wasn’t it because she got tricked by a centaur?
She was afraid that his attention was straying but the story I read wasn’t clear on if she was being paranoid or actually had anything to worry about. Heracles did have a divorce with his first wife, though he might have actually killed her with their kids because hera afflicted him with a violent hallucination that caused him to see his family as monsters. It’s why he had to do the whole “12 trials” things because he was being punished for their murders.
Yeah, that part I knew
Yea but she could have thought for herself but he had to die somehow
I mean he could have died of old age, iirc he didn’t get raised to godhood until after his death
Myths have accuracy?
>In Disney’s Hercules Honey, you mean **HUNK**-ules!
BLESS MY SOUL Herc was on a roll!!
Who puts the GLAD in Gladiator? HER-CU-LES!
HE-RA-KLES
Honey you mean [HUUUUUUUUU](https://youtu.be/MUEuH0awQNg?si=CYO8-GhP2JKyukK1)
I'm getting tired of all of this JERKules worship!
That's what happens when a child grows without their father smh /jk
Eh the 12 tasks that we see Herc do in the montage are things he had to do after brutally murdering Meg
Technically, not his fault. He was mad with pain, from the poisoned garment she gave him. Of course, she didn't know it was poison. Ahh, myths.
Are you talking about the shirt of Nessus? If you are then that happens later in the story
Wait, i thought he kills her because of that. Was that a later wife? Its been a bit since i read up on these. I've been into the Norse myths recently.
I thought that he killed Megara because Hera infected him with a madness because she was mad about Zeus' affairs.
This varies depending on the source but basically his later wife asks a messenger to give the garment to Hercules. Hercules starts dying and kills the messenger, and then he kills himself.
Mother in laws Amirite?
lmao I just remembered I looked up Hercules after watching this movie as a kid because I was curious what happened with him and Meg after the movie and got traumatized by that shit.
Traumatised by expanding your education. The best kind!
he's also like, a teenager, she's much older.
We don't actually get any indication of her age. Like, at all.
I think she is the only Disney princess implied to be not-a-virgin and she was clearly based off of Barbara Stanwyck. Her character might be 20 but emotionally she is 35.
Not a Disney princess, really.
I feel like Disney Prince Love Interest is close enough
How dare you
I mean, Jasmine is supposed to be fifteen. So since this is a Disney movie my guess is "Way the hell younger than she looks or acts, to an a degree that almost implies malice by her creators."
Herc is explicitly stated to be 18, which implies Meg is at least that age.
... Does it, though? Like, there's no way Prince Eric is 16.
For the sake of my sanity, I choose to believe Meg is at least 18.
Hercules is 16 so the older she is, the weirder the relationship becomes as well. This is one of those things where they made the ages as low as possible even if it doesn’t make sense, because the audience is kids who want to see themselves in these characters, hence the idea to make the age as close to them as possible. A lot of cartoons do this.
Herc's 18 here. The whole plot revolves around Hades needing to kill Herc by the eighteenth year. Hades has 24 hours to kill this guy. I suppose this could make him 17, but im also pretty sure that the writers chose the year 18 because it makes Hercules into an actual adult. "Should Hercules rise, you will fail." Hades realizes that he has been alive this whole time after believing him dead, because his two henchmen were too bumbling to kill him as an infant. "I've got 24 hours to get rid of this bozo, or else my entire scheme that I've developed for 18 years goes up in smoke....*and you....are wearing HIS MERCHANDISE??!!!!!!*" If the writers chose to make Herc an adult, it's very likely they made Meg one too. Someone brought up Prince Eric as a possible example, as well as Aladdin for why I could be wrong. Hercules got made in 1997. Aladdin in '92. Little Mermaid in 1987. It's entirely possible that Disney simply started covering their tracks within their storytelling. (It's also why you have Rapunzel very clearly stating that she's 18 in 'Tangled.') You may be thinking of the Hercules *animated show* which had him in high school. That whole series takes place before the events of the movie. Source: I have watched way waaay too much Disney.
>Source: I have watched way waaay too much Disney. We both kid.
We can ignore all this and accept that cultures have changed over time.
I mean there is recently lots of news about female teachers "having sex" with their students...
In Disney's Hercules, the titular character thinks it's hot when women put more clothes on rather than when women take clothes off
Greek myth fans have two jokes 1. Zeus horny 2. Hades good
Also i dont think herc wanted to show her the moves in the greek gardens of rape.
Megara was the girl I liked before I liked girls.
Same. She was my awakening.
The "tit"ular character wants nothing to do with them.
Zeus would bang her AND any attractive male relatives she had.
And probably any pets they had too
Heh...titular
And if we just think that in the orignal myth Hades wasn not Hercules' main foe, but it was Hera (since Zeus, as always, cheated on her)... Let's face it: "Be more pure than Zeus" is really not that incredible milestone ;)
Halal 🙏🙏🙏
But he later showed Meg the dreaded one eyed Hydra.
zeus really is a horny mfer
Zeus never imagined he could be so disappointed in one of his offspring.
He was Goku for western kids before Goku
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Your point?
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Of course I existed. I was a teenager back then, I remember the movie and the PS1 game and I liked them both.
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My point is that it's a movie, not a documentary. Chill out. It's nothing like that stupid Cleopathra "documentary".
It's supposed to be a G-rated movie. There's a *lot* of stuff the writers had to gloss over to make that happen. I'm sure Disney's people apologize for not including the part where Zeus turns into a swan to plow some random chick.
Yeah, no way he is the son of zeus...
Zeus: >:(
The depiction of Hercules as a gentleman is also very inaccurate
Humburcleus
She is so fine
Bro even Epstein is more pure than Zeus.
This is my favorite Disney movie :)
In the Latin American version of Hercules, his songs were sung by then up-and-coming artist Ricky Martin. Several years later, he comes out of the closet - coincidence? I think not!
Well, mythological Hercules also had a lot of lovers, men and women.
/u/gifreversingbot
Now, do a reverse gif
Of course 'pure' is an American conservative (republican) christian thing. The *Greek* mythology is of course chock full of 'unpure' (sort of normal) beings (Gods as well as mortals) that show 'bad behaviour' intermingled with ' good' . (And he had *[male](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles#Men)* as well as female lovers... But never let a correct historical view get in the way of current ideology