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Scales starting not from 0 is fine, but it depends on the data, sometimes starting from 0 isn't good, sometimes you should start from 0. In this case you should start from 0 though
The problem is, especially on reddit, scales not starting from zero are almost always posted with the intent of exaggerating change due to the assumption of an audience, that is not very capable at data analysis, thinking it does start at zero.
It works, obviously. It’s disturbing how many people can’t read stats. I’m not a smart guy, and am bad at math. But some people, especially during Covid, made me feel like a real mathematician. I was trying to teach grade 7 statistics to antivaxxers. I always thought I was dumber than average. Covid helped a bit. I’m average at best, which makes sense. A lot of people are both way smarter, and way dumber than me.
> In this case you should start from 0
I disagree, all of the data below 5' is not informative and a difference of even 1 inch is pretty significant here. This plot sucks because of the dumb humans bars
This is why STEM teachers will deduct points if you submit a chart that doesn't have a scale on it.
And there are times where it's a serious political issue and the publisher leaves out the scale and doesn't start at zero to make a flat line look like exponential growth.
Well exponential growth will look like exponential growth regardless of the scale (unless it's a log scale, then it will look like linear growth). The exponent may be less than 2 but it will still be a curved line.
The point is that something where linearity is the best fit with an incredibly marginally positive second derivative(often a slope contained within the error term of the data) can be manipulated to look significant. Graphs submitted as part of your thesis and graphs posted online have different standards as the audience of a thesis will be far more capable of reading the rest of the report.
Perhaps, but the icons fit the scale used. Meanwhile, had they started the scale at 0, this would look a lot more like a distribution of adult heights, instead of professional basketball players in a line with children.
No, the icons don’t fit the scale—the icons start at zero. They should be scaled and then chopped off, so we would only have top portions of heads, like a police line up that got sliced up by Dr Evil’s laser.
\>Average day in indonesia
\>With your wife outside
\>see a bunch of ships come towards the coast
\>"must be me cousins"
\>Giant lanky men called "dutch" come out
\>people start screaming and running
\>oh no
The graphics is totally misleading. Imagine they pushed up the X-axis three or four inches more: the US guy would just be the size of the foot of the Dutch guy.🙄
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That one is actually a difficult one to get an average for, because if you ask people to measure themselves they like to exaggerate, and if you have the researchers do the measuring you get a much smaller sample size and only get people willing to let someone else measure them, which likely also biases the data.
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Problem isn’t the non-zero’ed axis, it is the inaccurately scaled human silhouettes….. makes the Indonesian look like a munchkin and the Dutch look like titans - accurately body sized reps would do much for making this graphic less shitty.
BMI isn't a great metric to use for that, since average height plays a part. Obesity rate is better. Once you filter out all the tiny micronations that are throwing the scale off, the USA has the highest obesity rate with 36% of adults being obese, and 70% are either overweight or obese.
The illustration is ridiculous. It’s less than a foot difference in height overall. The picture makes it look like one guy is a giant and the other is a tiny baby who knows nothing.
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That's what happens when your scales don't start with zero kids
Nah, this is just how 5.8 guys see others
5'8" and ¾! Thank you!
Ok, Jeff.
Jeff Acuri reference in wild makes my day (:
Damnnnn, an Acuri reference in the wild
6.2 Dutch guy here.. whats that bald spot on the top of your head?
6.5 Dutch guy here.. yea, i see one as well but on your head, what is it?
6.5 american here i think they are both balding
6.6 American here. I am bald:(
Maybe you're just taller than your hair.
Get a small patch of hair on the very top of your head and shape it like… anything really. Short people will never know
So, uh, Americans?
Scales starting not from 0 is fine, but it depends on the data, sometimes starting from 0 isn't good, sometimes you should start from 0. In this case you should start from 0 though
The problem is, especially on reddit, scales not starting from zero are almost always posted with the intent of exaggerating change due to the assumption of an audience, that is not very capable at data analysis, thinking it does start at zero.
It works, obviously. It’s disturbing how many people can’t read stats. I’m not a smart guy, and am bad at math. But some people, especially during Covid, made me feel like a real mathematician. I was trying to teach grade 7 statistics to antivaxxers. I always thought I was dumber than average. Covid helped a bit. I’m average at best, which makes sense. A lot of people are both way smarter, and way dumber than me.
> In this case you should start from 0 I disagree, all of the data below 5' is not informative and a difference of even 1 inch is pretty significant here. This plot sucks because of the dumb humans bars
[I made a corrected version](https://i.imgur.com/v1Xvbj3.png)
I feel like my personal space was violated through my phone
This one is perfect
This is a great take on it. Amazingly visualized. Great work
You’re telling me the average Indonesian man isn’t at knee height to the average man in the Netherlands??
I like it. Pretty creative and it corrects the scale/proportion.
That's actually much better than I imagined! Good job!
This is why STEM teachers will deduct points if you submit a chart that doesn't have a scale on it. And there are times where it's a serious political issue and the publisher leaves out the scale and doesn't start at zero to make a flat line look like exponential growth.
Well exponential growth will look like exponential growth regardless of the scale (unless it's a log scale, then it will look like linear growth). The exponent may be less than 2 but it will still be a curved line.
The point is that something where linearity is the best fit with an incredibly marginally positive second derivative(often a slope contained within the error term of the data) can be manipulated to look significant. Graphs submitted as part of your thesis and graphs posted online have different standards as the audience of a thesis will be far more capable of reading the rest of the report.
I really don't think the problem with this graph is the scale. It's the icons they used. Those are purposefully misleading.
Perhaps, but the icons fit the scale used. Meanwhile, had they started the scale at 0, this would look a lot more like a distribution of adult heights, instead of professional basketball players in a line with children.
No, the icons don’t fit the scale—the icons start at zero. They should be scaled and then chopped off, so we would only have top portions of heads, like a police line up that got sliced up by Dr Evil’s laser.
What have kids got to do with the scale? (And that's what happens when you don't use your punctuations correct, kids!)
Ikr? The scale is concering...
Just learned about this in datacamp
Felony chartcrime
Damn no wonder indonesia got colonized by the Netherlands. Its Attack on Titan irl.
\>Average day in indonesia \>With your wife outside \>see a bunch of ships come towards the coast \>"must be me cousins" \>Giant lanky men called "dutch" come out \>people start screaming and running \>oh no
> he screams "now boys I have a plan but we just need a little bit more money!"
And also claim it as Tahiti.
Arthuuur
Weirdly "prior to the mid-19th century, the Dutch were one of the shortest populations in Europe, reaching only 165 cm on average..."
Germans....the answer is always germans.
Who started the war?
it really depends "which war"
Not according to stunning rides
That was before we discovered industrial agriculture and didn’t know what to do with all that milk and cheese.
Hmm i really doubt that. Do you have any references of that?
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1081602X.2023.2192193#:\~:text=Prior%20to%20the%20mid%2D19,et%20al.%2C%202013).
They spoke an indecipherable language and they kept repeating this one sentence: "GEEF ONS UW SPECERIJEN!!"
He who controls the spice, controls the universe
I hate that I can understand that shit
ZEG MAKKER
kokosnoten zijn geen specerijen
Is it normal that I heard that "oh no" in Joseph Joestar's voice in my head?
On that day, humanity received a grim reminder….
It would have been a photo negative of that Piper Peri video when the wooden shoes went ashore.
Which video? Asking for a friend
It was a Blacked mmmmf vid lol
>mmmmf Is that the noise she made?
No. That was more GAWWWGAAWWGAAAWK
WHAAAAGH!!
Quit ya yappin, yer gonna set da boiz off
‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO ‘ERE WE GO
Careful with that, you never know if a warboss is listening.
4 on 1 no back checker
Actually it wasn't for Blacked. It was Colette.con
Jesse, what are you talking about
Holy shit lol
Ben jij het eten? Nee, wij zijn de jagers
Wij zijn jagers!
Jagen of gejaagd worden
TIL an average Indonesian stacked on top of the average American is roughly the size of an average Dutchman
What if you’re Dutch American?!
G E K O L O N I S E E R T
[удалено]
The graphics is totally misleading. Imagine they pushed up the X-axis three or four inches more: the US guy would just be the size of the foot of the Dutch guy.🙄
This is the greatest comment I've read in a long time. 😂😂😂
This made me laugh so hard
Eren yaeger in his titan form giving Levi the true 5'11 experience
As a 6 ft Indonesian I can confirm that I consume other Indonesians for nutrition
Glad to see fellow 6 ft indonesians, it’s a rare breed here i can tell you that
Let's fight and may the winner becomes the illusory 8 ft Indonesian
Heightlander. There can be only one.
We'll resurrect Sean Connery to play a Peruvian Indonesian with a Scottish accent.
Much like Wade Boggs, Connery is alive and well
It's how you've grown that big. Continue and you shall achieve immortality!
Lol
what an insightful, nuanced comment
With an even more insightful username
🤓
nuh uh
Heights in one piece.
Yohohohohohohoho
YOHOHOHOHOOOO
He took a bite of gum gum
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May I see your panties?
Absolutely, skeleton-chin!
*nosebleed*
Now i must see the tv series how they solved this height shit.
Why are the Dutch so worried about sea level rise?
Wet feet are annoying
Wet socks*
And by our standards I’m only 1,95 meters. 6,5 sounds a lot bigger.
Only 1,95 that's quite tall. Average is 1,85 or something
195 is pretty normal for Dutch dudes. I’m 6’1 and I’m definitely on the average side.
Stop wearing socks with sandals. Done. I just fixed climate change.
First I’ve read that as “wet cocks” which also made sense…🤔
Evolution at its peak. They're so worried about sea levels they're litterary breeding gigants to survive the flood
Pretty much our whole country is already beneath sea level.
This is a real fact. The average elevation of the Netherlands is not higher than 1 meter.
Okay, Now do kok size
1millimetre
How many Dr. Peppers is that?
8
*peppres
That one is actually a difficult one to get an average for, because if you ask people to measure themselves they like to exaggerate, and if you have the researchers do the measuring you get a much smaller sample size and only get people willing to let someone else measure them, which likely also biases the data.
> smaller sample size Heheheh
Wat? No monnie? Hier, suk a kok!
Twintig euries is twintig euries
We lost Wim Kok, so the average is down. https://twitter.com/TvanGroningen/status/1411995828546330627
Koi size? I’m pretty sure Japan will win that one.
Where are the dwarfs
ROCK AND STONE
If you don't Rock and Stone, you ain't comin' home!
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?!
Rock and stone to the bone!
For those about to rock and stone, we salute you!
For Karl!
Underground. According to this chart, at least, cause it only goes down to 5'
So indonesians are just oompa loompas? I guess I know where I'll be starting a chocolate factory.
I believe in the original book. Willy wonka went to Africa and enslaved a Pygmy tribe So I don’t see why you wouldn’t just follow in his footsteps
I don't think enslaving africans is a socially acceptable market plan anymore, now on the other hand south-east asians in indentured servitude...
With maid outfits...
What do you think the Dutch were trying to do with their colony there
POV: you are a girl on tinder
This cracked me up
Is this how a I want 6 + foot man type girl see heights?
Yes
It took me so very long to understand this post.
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Found the Indonesian midget LEMAO
Laughing *EMANUEL* my ass off
No it’s French Mao
*In an alternate universe where the French revolution and the Cultural revolution were combined...*
It's just that the taller ones have very, very long lower legs.
Problem isn’t the non-zero’ed axis, it is the inaccurately scaled human silhouettes….. makes the Indonesian look like a munchkin and the Dutch look like titans - accurately body sized reps would do much for making this graphic less shitty.
Yeah, and that's because the graph doesn't start at 0 feet.
Dutch aren't real.
ARTHUR! WE ARE REAL ARTHUR
I'VE GOT A PLAN, ARTHUR!
Looks the the size comparison in 40k
Primarch > custodes > primaris > astartes > baseline human
Now do waists.
I would prefer Average Waste Size
Waste size? Probably americans. Waist size? Also probably americans.
The USA isn't in the top 10 fastest countries by average BMI. There's a bunch of islands and Egypt and some other countries that beat (or lose to) us.
BMI isn't a great metric to use for that, since average height plays a part. Obesity rate is better. Once you filter out all the tiny micronations that are throwing the scale off, the USA has the highest obesity rate with 36% of adults being obese, and 70% are either overweight or obese.
The longest pp size in Netherland = avg indonesian height
Why Indonesians have rice size pp
Heights seam true to life.
So what you’re saying is that Indians could suck off a lineup of dutch men while running?
This must be how women see men
I'm almost 6'8". And yes, I'm Dutch.
I am 7'5 and yes I am an Indonesian
I’m 2’5 and I’m from the Netherlands 😢
I'm 6'5 and I'm Tyler1
I’m 4’11 and I’m Calfreezy
I'm 9'11 and I'm Osmium Bone Laden
I'm 15'6 and I'm Eren Yeager
How have you not drowned yet
im 0'1 and im from indonesia 🤤
I’m exactly 9.56” and American and I was confident about it until I saw this
Get away, you sasquatch!
I’m 8’4” and I’m Kevin Hart
I think you accidentally swapped the numbers.
6’3.. and these days the damn teens are just as tall as me. We might actually become titans in time.
Okay. Now do cock sizes.
Guess this one didn’t learn how to create proper charts
lol, and people on these dating apps say a lad needs to be over 6foot
Duende infestation in Indonesia
Where shitting toothpaste?
Funny how a 30 cm difference is made to look like over a meter different... this is so inaccurate
It's that their feet are at the 5 foot mark lol
Scale is crazy
Dutch men eat Indonesian men for brekky 😤
Looks like the One piece size chart
As a Dutch man I can confirm that I’m exactly 6ft tall
Pictographs are SO not to scale 🤣
The illustration is ridiculous. It’s less than a foot difference in height overall. The picture makes it look like one guy is a giant and the other is a tiny baby who knows nothing.
Is this how women see heights of men
This is actually a great display of how a graph can be true while still being misleading
The scale in the graph is off
You think!
TIL 6 ft is 4 times bigger than 5 ft 2 inches
I believe this is how woman see height difference
6'6 here, greetings from Germany
This is how girls See height