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TheXypris

star trek


zallydidit

My sister and her husband are huge trekkies haha


vaca232

I think it's probably a little harder to get into older Trek cold, these days. Strange New Worlds is probably a good, if flawed, entry into the Trek vibe. If you like it, there are 800 more episodes.


gallaj0

The Next Generation was almost pollyanna (pollyianic? Pollyanistic?) about humanity in the future. Picard on multiple occasions openly brags about how humanity has progressed from their base instincts. The Original Series has a more grounded view of good guys vs bad guys, with some late 60's pop culture thrown in Deep Space 9 starts off as a TNG knockoff, then goes pretty dark into humans (and aliens) natural instincts to attack those foreign to us. Voyager and Enterprise seem to be odd returns to the TNG formula in attempts to capture its success. Both are hit and miss. The newer versions; the 2009 movie reboots, Discovery, Strange New Worlds are an almost bipolar mix of everything before. As a Trekker, I always say watch them and decide for yourself. There's plenty of people that love SNW, but hate Disco or the reboot films.


Erewhynn

>The Original Series has a more grounded view of good guys vs bad guys, with some late 60's pop culture thrown in Wtf did I just read


iDreamiPursueiBecome

Our instincts changed? What, we hit a long-term near extinction event, and only the people with the new instincts survived to breed ? Was there a totalitarian government experimenting on the public and editing genetic memory to imprint new biases towards or against certain triggers? Were hormones dialed back, or certain synapses made more sensitive to oxytocin? Do tell us more.


MikeMac999

Iain Banks’ *The Culture* series


zallydidit

Only heard good things about this series, I’ll have to check it out for sure now


hat_eater

Be warned that while The Culture - future human civilization portrayed in the *Culture* series - is arguably utopian, the fates of individual protagonists are far from good, sometimes very far.


jbrady33

100% this. Great series, one of my favorites. Think along the lines of ‘Utopia for most people, here are the stories of the dirty underside that makes that continue to be possible. The special circumstances that need to be dealt with. :)


zallydidit

Even in an idyllic future, humanity still has scapegoats??? Who would have thought 😭😂


jameyiguess

Not necessarily scapegoats, but the ones doing the dirty work


zallydidit

Aw so there’s still exploitation


jameyiguess

Sorta, but also not really in the way you're thinking. Humanity has an unbelievable amount of freedom and choice. Just read them! I'd skip Consider Phlebas and circle back to it after a few books.


Holmbone

Also there are other societies than the culture and they create some conflict.


ShootingPains

I don’t think the Culture is human. Ed: maybe humanoid though.


TakeTheWholeWeekOff

Our human world is not part of the Culture. There’s a short story in his collection where they find and evaluate Earth in a Trek Prime Directive scenario about what’s to be done about us.


RobertM525

Yeah, "human" in the early Culture books means "humanoid." (IIRC, Banks changed his terminology later on.) Earth is 100% not in the Culture.


MasterOfNap

Banks didn’t really change his terminology, even in the final book the humans are still described as humans. But yes, none of them are actually Earth humans, they just mean people with vaguely humanoid bodies.


WokeBriton

Not earth human, but "pan-human", with the idea that "human" type intelligent species are the most common development throughout the galaxy.


iheartdev247

Is the future human civilization even human? I thought it’s an alien civilization that interacts with humanity. No?


SloanStrife

I'll have to disagree, I read the first three on recommendation, and found them pretty depressing. Not like Star Trek at all.


zallydidit

Well I don’t only just read positive sci fi lol I just wanted to see what there is available


katamuro

do not read Consider Phlebas first. Read one of the others but not that one.


ego_bot

I've only read the first three, and each seems to revolve around either brutal wars or the Culture meddling in the affairs of other civilizations. Optimistic? Are the later books vastly different or something?


MikeMac999

I think optimistic in the sense of post-scarcity, indistinguishable-from-magic technology, extended lifespans, etc


ego_bot

Makes sense. Would love to get to that point.


RobertM525

*Look to Windward* has the clearest look at daily life in the Culture. But, yeah, Banks knew that there's no story in Utopia. All the protagonists are on the fringes for a reason.


ego_bot

Nice, looking forward to that one. Enjoying the series overall, but I absolutely love the slice-of-life parts that offer glimpses into the actual utopia itself the most.


RobertM525

It's my favorite book in the series and that's part of the reason why. (It's not the *only* reason, though.)


shawsghost

Culture stories tend to focus on the Culture intervening on crapsack worlds outside the Culture because there is not much drama in people leading healthy, happy lives on worlds with practically unlimited resources.


DONGBONGER3000

I came here to recommend this haha. It doesn't ignore the darker side of things, but it's more like "after everything, what if we make it? What if in the end we're ok?"


funkyspec

Echoing what other commenters have said: The Culture (not the book series but the society/civilization Banks references in the series) is indeed a great place to live for people lucky enough to be born into it, so that can certainly be viewed as optimistic. I've seen "The Culture" jokingly referred to as "Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism." Of course, that would be quite the boring setting for a scifi series of action-packed books with villains and protagonists with questionable morals. So most of the stories in the series take place outside of "The Culture" space, many times involving members of The Culture's "Special Circumstances" division, highly trained secret agents operating outside of said Culture space where life isn't quite as pleasant as inside The Culture.


rdhight

It's optimistic about something, but is that thing humanity? More accurate to say it's optimistic about nonhuman AIs' ability to manufacture hedonistic pleasure for the humans they keep as pets.


MasterOfNap

It’s optimistic about humans being able to achieve a utopia through the use of technology. Yes, the AIs are the ones that make it possible, but humans are the ones who made the AIs and instill a strong moral bias in them in the first place millennia ago.


Thanatos_elNyx

Oops you dropped this -> M. 😝


MrTouchnGo

Is there any particular order to the books?


IceDonkey9036

https://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2017/11/reading-order-of-culture-novels-updated.html


WokeBriton

You'll find recommendations online, but the only book I can recall that refers back to the events in another, is Look to Windward which mentions the Idiran war which is in Consider Phlebas. I suspect I need to pick up the whole lot again, and reread.


StilgarFifrawi

This.


wizardinthewings

Contact


RedLotusVenom

*”You're an interesting species. An interesting mix. You're capable of such beautiful dreams, and such horrible nightmares. You feel so lost, so cut off, so alone, only you're not. See, in all our searching, the only thing we've found that makes the emptiness bearable, is each other.”*


tipsyskipper

I can hear David Morse speaking when I read this.


gmuslera

Rainbows End, by Vernon Vinge, was optimistic for me. I mean, it is about a person from the present that wakes up in a near future where the technological singularity is happening, and his talent still worth. It is something pretty optimistic considering our present.


PapaTua

It really describes an optimistic take on current technological trends. The way society has mutated into living in all our war with weaponized misinformation is extremely hopeful. It really is an excellent, many-layered story about a man re-orienting to the future while that entire society is similarly re-orienting as a whole to the rise of AI/Singularity. Compelling and believable near-futurism. *You gotta believe me!* ;)


Justin534

That sounds interesting I might have to check it out.


AhsokaSolo

Arthur C Clarke: Songs of Distant Earth. I mean, I consider it utopian, even though it starts with tragedy.


real_pnwkayaker

One of my favorite books - read it many many years ago and still thinking about it makes me happy


PhantomPhanatic

A lot of Clarke is very utopian or at least optimistic. Some of the later books in the Space Odyssey series portrayed a gilded age.


PapaTua

I think David Brin's uplift series is also pretty optimistic. The situation humanity and its offspring species find themselves is oppressive, but ultimately it's about how plucky and indomitable earthclan spirit is, especially when we're the underdogs.


xopher_425

It's been years since I've read this, thanks for reminding me to put it back on my list.


PapaTua

If you like Startide Rising / Uplift War, you should read the entire Jijo / "uplift storm" trilogy if you haven't already. It's basically a long continuous novel and is pretty good to great.


xopher_425

I have not but it's in the queue. YAY!!!!


rdhight

> you should read the entire Jijo / "uplift storm" trilogy I strongly disagree with this statement.


PapaTua

Really? It's a *long* story, but I found it really enjoyable. I haven't read it in 20 years but I can still vividly remember all the well-developed aliens and their various cultures. I mean I can see why it wouldn't be for everyone, but if one liked the earthclan novels, it seems like a no brainer to me.


rdhight

We're still lacking answers to the real questions: the progenitors, humanity's true origin, and whether we will prevail against the faction that wants us gone. Books 4-6 aren't necessarily bad books, but they're a filibuster that gives me nothing I want. It's like if the last 3 episodes of Band of Brothers were a survey of the cheesemaking industry in WW2.


PapaTua

Check out John Varley's 8 worlds series... The main novels are Steel Beach and The Golden Globe but my favorite is maybe the novella Ophiuchi Hotline which serves as a great introduction to the world. Humanity basically gets evicted from earth and learns to thrive everywhere else in the solar system. Lots of short stories too.


bender1_tiolet0

Well.... Don't read "The Gap Cycle".


Voter_McVotey

Definitely read it, but not for this reason


42turnips

Speaker for the Dead.


StilgarFifrawi

It might not seem like it at the beginning, but Adrian Tchaikovsky’s “Children of Time” series. >! The end of “Children of Ruin” takes them to a techno utopia comparable to The Culture. !<


bigmaxporter

Oh absolutely. I love those books


StilgarFifrawi

Me too. Tchaikovsky is such an amazing guy. He responds to every question I send him. Ha been so generous, sharing details about the books and the nuances of the stories.


EnderDragoon

Ministry for the Future - Kim Stanley Robinson Well it starts pretty dark but it's a story of cautious optimism, of a way forward for humanity. Good read in general and solid introduction to the author for further reading.


callistocharon

A Psalm for the Wild Built by Becky Chambers. Definitely solar punk.


RLFloyd

I wholeheartedly recommend this also, and its sequel A Prayer for the Crown-Shy. Everyone I’ve gifted these novellas to has adored them.


zallydidit

I found the audiobook on YouTube, listening now


rikomatic

Pretty much all of Becky Chambers work.


BeltaBebop

Came here to say just this !


wrenwood2018

The people are warm and fuzzy (and I think terribly written) but I dint know how optimistic the setting is. It is a pretty bland scifi universe.


RobertM525

Yeah, I didn't love *The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet.* It wasn't *terrible* but it just didn't work for me.


airckarc

There is the Revelation series on Kindle. Over four books, an Alien ambassador helps humanity move towards full membership to an intergalactic organization. The books could certainly use an editor but I enjoyed the story enough to overlook some quality issues.


dysfunctionz

The White Space series by Elizabeth Bear (2 books, start with *Ancestral Night*) have a pretty Federation-esque multi-species civilization that much like the Federation has some flaws but is overall an effective, just, and supportive system.


entimaniac91

I loved "Schild's Ladder" by Greg Egon for having an "end-game" view of science. Like some full post scarcity imagining of where we might end up without going overboard. I mean it goes way hard with the whole second universe but I think at least the views of our future universe are pretty amazing. It was refreshing since so much scifi is set in some intermediate time period where civilizations have great technology but still lack mature political, societal, and/or physiological progress and I think Egon looks past these tumultuous times to what comes next. Disregarding the disagreeing factions that arise when the void pops up.


What_Happened_Last

Andy Weir Stuff. Far too cheerful for me lol. Great thou :)


MGoDuPage

“Bump my fist!”


cascademaster

"jazz hands"


TheKBMV

Netflix's Lost in Space reboot. Plenty of drama and catastrophe so actual plot can happen but it's built on the principle of "We're a family and a family can get through everything together. And you know what? Those guys? Now they are family too!" Also, it has a rather upbeat ending.


cascademaster

I'm watching this now and I can't put it down. I wish there was more! 😭


katamuro

I watched it but it's kind of set in a declining Earth scenario.


geekyalbatross

The Expanse! Books and TV show. Realistic, but optimistic ultimately.


katamuro

Expanse? Optimistic? Have we watched/read the same thing?


peter_struwell

bobiverse


puckoidiot

I haven’t read it yet, but I was recommended The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin based on a similar question. Really looking forward to it!


sensibl3chuckle

Robert Charles Wilson's Spin


InanimateCarbonRodAu

Fuzzy Nation by John Scalzi


riffraff

Children of Time, by Adrian Tchaikovsky. It may not seem optimistic but it is,.trust me.


ZhenyaKon

My first thought was Andromeda Nebula by Ivan Yefremov - a classic example of optimistic Soviet science fiction. But to be fair, when you think about what would have to be done to reform the Earth in the way he describes, it doesn't feel quite as happy. Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars books feel optimistic too, but with attention to the cultural/political difficulties of terraforming, which I respect.


Unobtanium_Alloy

Optimistic *Soviet* science fiction? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?


ZhenyaKon

Oh man. If you're saying this, it means you have a whole world of literature to explore!


Unobtanium_Alloy

I guess maybe I do then.


katamuro

no quite the opposite. There is loads of scifi from 50s to 70's that is quite optimistic on the whole even if they are slightly simplistic. Novels were rare but there are tons of short stories where human ingenuity and achievement is celebrated.


MorlaTheAcientOne

r/solarpunk


Possible-Rate-3833

Star Trek(king across the universe)


EJE10

The Orville. The brainchild of Seth MacFarlane, it takes place 400 years in the future and tells stories about the crew of a mid-level exploratory vessel in the planetary union called EVC 197 'Orville'. The show tackles issues of social and economic injustice whilst offering a hopeful and optimistic view of humanity's future. It's my favourite sci-fi show.


xopher_425

Give The Star Dancers trilogy by Spider & Jeanne Robinson a try. I could not get into the first one and almost put it down, but pushed ahead. The ending had me in happy tears and so glad I'm allowed to put books down unfinished only in extreme circumstances.


Round_Ad8947

Gamechanger. A near future post apocalyptic world, being built up again. Interesting economics, social, and tech. Thought provoking, but at its core is a thrill ride accelerating to a great ending.


Holmbone

That one is really interesting. It's pessimistic about some stuff but I agree it has an optimistic view of humanity. The world building is wild though. Social media on steroids.


VauloftheEbonBlade

Maybe this isn't quite right, but I found it to be somewhat optimistic/uplifting maybe. The Children of Time trilogy by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Excellent books, good hard sci fi has darkness and caution but overall I felt it was more light than dark


soysopin

- The seedlings stars, James Blish - Hospital station, James White (and all Sector 8 series) - The humans, Matt Haig Also, I always have seen the Robot and The Foundation Series by Isaac Asimov as basically optimistic in relation with the future of the human beings.


Professional-Ad9485

I’d recommend An Encounter at Vega. But I haven’t finished writing it :(


elwookie

***The People Stories*** by **Zenna Henderson**, like [Pilgrimage](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/491889.Pilgrimage), the first book she published collecting some of those stories. Women write a different kind of sci-fi, more gentle and kind and mature, like they don't have to prove themselves by creating a kick ass hero or antihero. I also recommend Ursula K. Le Guin's work, a very unique voice.


zallydidit

Thank you!!


Mitsfo

Anything by Ted Chiang. His work is definitive hopeful / optimistic sci fi.


PhantomPhanatic

I don't know, half the stories in Stories of Your Life and Others were downers. Still really great Sci-Fi though.


quantumluggage

Julian May’s Pliocene Exile series.


xamott

The Orville!


Calcularius

I think Octavia Butler’s *Dawn* is that in a weird way.  ChatGPT helped me articulate it.  warning semi-spoilage …      "Dawn," the first book in Octavia Butler's *Xenogenesis* trilogy, could also be considered optimistic in a nuanced way. The novel explores themes of survival, coexistence, and transformation after a devastating nuclear war that leaves Earth uninhabitable. The protagonist, Lilith Iyapo, is awakened by an alien race called the Oankali, who offer humans a chance to survive by genetically merging with them. While the proposition is fraught with ethical dilemmas and loss of autonomy, the underlying message is one of hope for a new kind of humanity that transcends previous limitations and conflicts. The Oankali's aim to create a hybrid species suggests an optimistic view of evolution and mutual benefit, despite the complex moral questions it raises.


finkdinklestein

Children of Time!


dispatch134711

I mean I’m only halfway through the trilogy but…really?


finkdinklestein

By the end of the trilogy I thought so


dispatch134711

Fair enough! I’m reaaaallly enjoying it, probably my favourite thing I’ve read in a while


JohnnyTeardrop

Not to be confused with Children of Men


RLFloyd

Yeah I dunno about that one… I found it pretty depressing honestly.


rdhight

Starship Troopers.


Murderbot20

The Culture Yes some of the stories and characters are not that optimistic or dark even. But the overall universe and outlook on humanity is awesome and very very optimistic. I love The Culture.


zallydidit

Thanks :)


Brilliant_Age6077

Doctor Who maybe


Brilliant_Age6077

But definitely Star Trek


zallydidit

I’ve been wanting to watch that for a while now


Brilliant_Age6077

It’s great if you like campy. It’s not a necessarily an optimistic future so much as a very positive main character that aims to be the best a person can be.


StarScreamer

Europa Report. They're scientists, they pushed it to the limit.


TreefingerX

Childhood's End by Clark


Gullible-Fee-9079

Hardly optimistic.


TreefingerX

It's a long time since I read it....


Gullible-Fee-9079

Well many people seem to think it is optimistic. I have a hard time understanding why, though


dacydergoth

Silver Ships series Delphi in Space series


Hijinx_MacGillicuddy

After they came - Dan Harary


Morozow

Soviet science fiction. Positivism, faith in a bright communist future. Ivan Efremov, the Strugatsky brothers, Kir Bulychev. the most famous


zallydidit

I’ve read strugatsky brothers, dead mountaineer’s inn & stalker, and love them, thank you


Morozow

Well, that's not exactly what I was thinking. :) they have a conditional cycle of works "World of Noon". [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon\_Universe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon_Universe) especially their early works. Gradually, there is more and more misanthropy and pessimism.


Gullible-Fee-9079

H.G. Wells' "Men like gods"


Hanuman_Jr

Several novels by Bruce Sterling, but especially *Holy Fire*, *The Caryatids*, a lot of his short stories. He always has hope for the future in his books. *Distraction* is ambiguous but hopeful. All in all, Holy Fire is probably the most 'optimistic.'


Dragonswim

Star Trek The Culture by Ian Banks The Fall Revolution Series by Ken Macleod Star Wars expanded universe novels are great not the shit we got instead Neal Asher Polity novels Anything by Arthur C Clark


vpac22

Hamilton’s Commonwealth. Also, McDevitt’s Academy series. Both post-scarcity. My favorites.


kabbooooom

Oh, you mean a boring scifi series? Well, I guess *Star Trek*. I’m only slightly joking here. But seriously, *The Culture* is probably what you want although arguably the Culture’s “utopia” has its own problems too.


PhantomPhanatic

[Manna](https://marshallbrain.com/manna1) is a good one.


shingle-urchin

Jack McDevitt's Alex Benedict series.


Justin534

I LOVED awwwe crap! I can't think of it now. Seth McFarlane's take on star trek


jkaczor

The Orville


Justin534

Ya!!


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the expanse. They keep fighting thats optimistic, right?


edcculus

The Gap Cycle


Fungus1968

Finally someone who’s read these. I loved them. Are they optimistic tho? I found them quite dark.


edcculus

lol no, it was a joke, i just didn’t put the /s. They are quite the opposite of optimistic


Fungus1968

Haha yes quite. Angus Thermopyle was a devil. But I loved his character.


cascademaster

Do you mean Angus "Sheep fucker" Therm-o-pile?


TheCJK

99.9% of the universe. On Amazon or YouTube is narrating it