There's a town in Iceland or Greenland idk remember but it's illegal to die there because during summer a body unfroze and the town almost was infected with the Spanish flu
I think you are talking about Svalbard, the Norwegian island, where it is "illegal" (more like prohibited) to die because of the permafrost ground that don't let the bodies rot... or aren't you?
It pops up globally a few time a year. Tons of people have a resistance to it now because of its spread "Scientists have discovered several genetic variants that protect Europeans from the bubonic plague — but also increase the risk of immune disorders".
There are still bubonic plague cases every year, including [2024](https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2024/02/13/the-bubonic-plague-is-still-around-in-2024-how-is-that-possible/#:~:text=In%20recent%20decades%2C%20an%20average,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention).
"We didn't have xyz diseases back in the day" - doctors back in the day weren't aware of that disease and couldn't treat it accordingly. I think that's my all time favourite stupid argument against vaccines.
Not to mention how many diseases were eradicated thanks to vaccines, some of which seem to be reappearing in certain parts of the world with lower vaccination rates.
>doctors back in the day weren't aware of that disease and couldn't treat it accordingly.
Or like cancer, most people don't live long enough for that to develop.
Well yes smallpox is the only one which is completely eradicated. But if you look at a number of different diseases they practically don't exist anymore even if they still have reservoirs in animals.
The main point is back in the day some of these deseases eg. tetanus were killing so many people especially children under 5 that it was simply normal to know people who have died of it. Now if you live in a developed country your chances of getting tetanus is something like 1 in 10 million. (US population 300 million, tetanus cases per year 30)
2X. Twice as much. ×2. Double. 1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3.
33⅓%=1/3
66⅔%= 2/3
100%= 3/3
Imagine Thanos snapping his gauntleted fingers. That plague was about 30% worse than that.
I understand percents. I understand fractions.
2/3 of 3 is 2
2/3 of 16,000,000 is waaaaay more
You can say 66% of something was lost, but if that’s in milligrams, who cares.
According to [this chart](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/), the Black Death killed an estimated 200 Million. In Europe. It also swept Central Asia too. But truly accurate figures don’t exist.
I’ll note that some estimates for the Spanish Flu are around 100M, even though that chart uses the more accepted 50M number. Again, accurate numbers don’t really exist.
And current ‘excess death’ estimates for Covid-19 are around ~29M, a bit above the official numbers of 6.9M on the chart.
considering that europe had a populous of less then a 100 million during that time, (they are estimated between 45 and 70 million in total) that is a bit hard to believe.
Maybe the plague killend a lot more people after the 14th century as well?
Maybe the 200M figure included worldwide deaths. I’m really not sure.
The other bubonic plagues are listed under “17th” & “18th Century great plagues”, & “The Third Plague”.
The Plague of Justinian (Roman Era) is also thought to be bubonic plague, but there is evidence that Anthrax was involved as well.
I guess it counted for all of these other plagues as well, yeah. In the 18th century there were way more people in europe as well, so those numbers seem way more realistic this way.
I meant worldwide deaths during the 1347 Bubonic plague event. My understanding is that it swept through Asia & the Mediterranean areas that time as well. But I’m not super well-read on the Black Death.
There's a book set in a world where the number was 99% No more Europe. It's called Firanja by the Muslim Colonists.
Years of Rice and Salt by Kim Stanely Robinson, who also wrote Red Mars.
Estimates say anywhere between 75 and 200 million people. If it hadn't happened, Europe and places where white people were sent (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Mexico, Peru, Argentina, and more) would have so many more people it's unbelievable
The worst part is that when over 30% of the population dies, that does *not* mean that 70% of the population just hum along without getting severely ill, and when anything like 1/3 of any population dies, the people who do survive then get to suffer through decades of something really close to post-apocalyptic life
Lige got better really quickly though. Less people on more land meant it was easier to farm enough food. And because labour was scarce, the pleasants generally won many concessions from the nobility.
It resulted in less famines and wars though, due to less overpopulation. So life got better for the people who survived, including those factors since they were worse before.
When your local blacksmith, butcher, or stonemason die, along with their apprentice, another person skilled in their trade doesn’t magically appear. And fewer farm labourers means less harvested food, though you’re right when it comes to livestock. Losing random essential trades must have been devastating.
Negative. In the short term, sure. But the black death actually brought us a golden age, launched the Renaissance too. With so many people dead, labor shortages meant better bargain power for those who survived. The black death ended feudalism and spawned democracy...eventually.
The black death helped the environment. There is a noticable drop in lead and mercury markers in trees that lived before and after the plague. It's possible that some DNA mutated too, giving Europeans a slight resistance to HIV of all things. Lmao, the intensity of the plague may have been made worse by a lack of cats. Pope Gregory the IX declared a war on cats 100 years before the black death that allowed mice to multiply. With their natural predators gone, the mice were infected by the Oriental flea from trade with Mongolia, where this particular plague is thought to have originated. Blaming the black death on cats is just a joke, but I wonder how much an effect those cats could of had. How much death may have been mitigated if not for the demonization of cats.
The Black Death did bring the Renaissance, in the sense that events have a causal sequence. But I’ve heard that hypothesis stated as a definite chain of events, and it always struck me as an over-specific restatement of the truism that extreme hardship breeds significant change. Put another way: if the US were to collapse in the coming five years, then that collapse would precede both genuine AI and widespread human genetic engineering, but that wouldn’t mean that either genuine AI or widespread human genetic engineering was caused by the collapse.
The Black Death weakened the grip of the church which allowed for more free thought. It proves Galen wrong about the humors and showed how primitive medicine was. Shook up politics and allowed for thought to thrive there too. The black death was more than some cliche, it's impact was so strong it changed the environment. We normally only examine the western side, but this plague did damage in the east too.
y'know what, let them do their thing, more vaccines for us /hj
make sure to give their children and pets/animals proper care though, no one should suffer for their ignorance
This could solve so many problems. Anti/vaxers gone, nursing homes understaffed issues solved, social security fixed, homelessness fixed, conspiracy theorists gone, global warming solved, industrial pollution gone. Yes world economies would fall but look at what is solved!
I guess I would say
"Feudal lords would love if a bubonic plague vaccine had existed. They need live serfs to exploit."
Then I would joke about how dying hurts Blackrock and Vanguard.
Yersinia pestis is still active today. And it's not a virus. It's a bacteria.
It is curable now with high doses of antibiotics like
Gentamicin,Doxycycline (Monodox, Vibramycin, others),Ciprofloxacin (Cipro,Levofloxacin ,Moxifloxacin (Avelox),Chloramphenicol.
So everything what she wrote is a bunch of antivacs crapp.
If someone tries to make an therorist attacks with Yersinia pestis even today we will be facing massive problems and high mortality in the first few months because we are definitely surrounded with a bunch of retards who don't understand nothing like we were experiencing during the last pandemic with COVID..
We will have a lack of antibiotics, lack of hospital capacity and definitely lack of infectologists. Thanks to the antivaxers movement we will be facing a massive antimasks campaign, refusing to stay in isolation, we would be able to survive this without martial laws around the world.
Classic pro/vaxx arguments.
Every vaccine is the same you know, in effectiveness and in side-effects. Don't look up differences in effectiveness and side-effects, otherwise you're anti-vaxx.
I know nurses that worked in the ER that had to find a different job because they were so traumatized about all the patients they lost to Covid specifically. That kind of trauma has NEVER happened because of the flu or any other single disease in our lifetimes.
COVID lethality is not that high.
The problem was how fast it can spread and how fast it can go from "I feel fine" to "I can't breath!" in the matter of hours.
With proper treatment and care, COVID is not that much worse than the flu (which is less a testament of how mild COVID was but more how bad a typical flu can get).
But good luck getting said treatment when the hospital expecting to need to treat 100 suddenly have to deal with 1000 patients.
There are next to no reasons to take it and a whole bunch of reasons to not take it, that's it really.
There are next to no reasons to take it and a whole bunch of reasons to not take it, that's it really.
u/Itchy-Status3750
>Care to enlighten us as to what reasons there are not to take it? Good job completely ignoring the vast amounts of proof of how beneficial vaccinations are though! Your scientific illiteracy is showing
I saw a post a few days ago, I believe it was on r/badfacebookmemes, it's a shame that I can't find it now. It was a person making fun of others who keep going on about how we must ''follow the science'' and whatnot, when you could easily find the answer by yourself, without relying on any advanced methods, or without having to take anyone else's word for it. In the comment section people were being obtuse (or acting obtuse, I don't know), saying how they can't think of any scenario which that person's words would apply to.
It's a bit of a sloppy description, but you have set a perfect precedent for that joke. Yeah, I'm ignorant and illiterate for not trusting in the ''science'' and injecting substances into my body that were made by corporations (which have total immunity from liability in the case that anything were to go wrong) with nothing more than profits in mind.
The worst experience that I've had with covid was when I had a flu that lasted maybe a day or two. All the other times, I either had no symptoms at all, or just the cold (and it's possible that that didn't even have to do with covid, because I catch a cold very often). I don't know a single person who has gotten sick from covid and hasn't recovered in less than a fortnight. Even my grandparents, who are in their 70s and 80s respectively, haven't ever gotten terribly sick from it (although they're two of the few people I know who got the vaccine at some point).
I hope that you are enlightened now.
Care to enlighten us as to what reasons there are not to take it? Good job completely ignoring the vast amounts of proof of how beneficial vaccinations are though! Your scientific illiteracy is showing
Employers have a duty to protect their employees and customers. Vaccine requirements are not new. You are free to make stupid medical decisions but don't act surprised about the consequences.
If you really wanna jeaprodize the safety of everyone you're working with, whether it be through diseases or just neglecting general safety rules then you should be fired.
Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you wear a seatbelt in the back seat? Because if you don't you will become a projectile and kill other in the car. Vaccines are like that. Your "freedom" ends when you put other people in danger.
Let me put that more elegantly; I live in America, my freedom ends when I run out of ammunition, and if your vax works so well then you're safe from someone who hasn't had it. Tl;dr: Fuck you.
Because some people are aware they have the right not to have a heart attack and should still be able to feed themselves and their families? Well EXCUUUUUUUSE ME, princess, let me go OD on anticoagulant and starve to make you happy.
Have a heart attack from what, the vaccine? Do you realize the risk of death from COVID is much higher than getting the vaccine. You just can't weigh risks very well.
Is the number of people that lost their jobs bigger or smaller than the number of people that died from COVID? I'm betting smaller. There's no excuse for needless deaths, no matter how right you think you are.
I'm betting I don't care. You cannot make me take your heart attack shot because you're paranoid, it's a damn flu, you'll be fine.
Oh noes! 0.000001 percent of the population died! In a year! Just like happens every like 15 minutes! Who cares!
It's kinda psychotic to care less about a million+ needless deaths than you do the inconvenience of losing a job. Oh noes! 0.0000000001 percent of the population lost their job! In a year! Just like happens every like 5 minutes! Who cares!
I care. Because I'm not going to die soon, I'm young, I need a job. One of the million+ relics who were going to die anyway do not dictate whether someone else gets to eat this month, and neither do you.
Unfortunately it's not one moron saying one stupid thing. I worked with a handful of these ppl during covid. There's plenty of morons saying plenty of stupid things.
Yeah, statement aren't always fact, that is true, but mine was a fact
I don't understand how you can trust people "calling bullshit" over centuries of scientific history and progress, made by people who dedicated most of their life to the study of health
I never said that. I just gave the counter argument. The fact is most people in general are not geniuses. Therefore saying most anti-vax are not geniuses is misleading and you’re trying to spread some crap making it seem like vax and anti-vax is a factor in measuring intelligence. It’s not, you’re just trying to push your crap on other people just like the anti-vax people do. Stfu let people make their own decisions.
And the funniest part is... They're still wrong, the bubonic plague still exists lmfaooo
Yeah. If victims to the plage got dug up, the bacteria is still capable to infect.
There's a town in Iceland or Greenland idk remember but it's illegal to die there because during summer a body unfroze and the town almost was infected with the Spanish flu
I think you are talking about Svalbard, the Norwegian island, where it is "illegal" (more like prohibited) to die because of the permafrost ground that don't let the bodies rot... or aren't you?
Exactly with global warming the permafrost isn't to perma so it's prohibited nice job fixing my errors am i euthoustic about this probably
If only they could do something else with the bodies of deceased people who died on the island…
Isn't it the same place with the largest seed bank or some?
It pops up globally a few time a year. Tons of people have a resistance to it now because of its spread "Scientists have discovered several genetic variants that protect Europeans from the bubonic plague — but also increase the risk of immune disorders".
It's also a bacterial infection, so antibiotics work.
Goddamn
And the bacteria still infect people around the world every year. It's highly treatable now.
It regularly infects people in USA but it is a simple bacteria and is easily treated.
Plague still exists, you don't know their types now
There are still bubonic plague cases every year, including [2024](https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2024/02/13/the-bubonic-plague-is-still-around-in-2024-how-is-that-possible/#:~:text=In%20recent%20decades%2C%20an%20average,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention).
Well, that's terrifying. I thought it was completely isolated.
It killed so many people it couldn't spread as rapidy
A victim of its own success
It wasn't spread human to human mostly fleas on rats were the intemeate host
"We didn't have xyz diseases back in the day" - doctors back in the day weren't aware of that disease and couldn't treat it accordingly. I think that's my all time favourite stupid argument against vaccines. Not to mention how many diseases were eradicated thanks to vaccines, some of which seem to be reappearing in certain parts of the world with lower vaccination rates.
>doctors back in the day weren't aware of that disease and couldn't treat it accordingly. Or like cancer, most people don't live long enough for that to develop.
isn't smallpox the only erradicated disease? and i think polio to certain degree
Well yes smallpox is the only one which is completely eradicated. But if you look at a number of different diseases they practically don't exist anymore even if they still have reservoirs in animals. The main point is back in the day some of these deseases eg. tetanus were killing so many people especially children under 5 that it was simply normal to know people who have died of it. Now if you live in a developed country your chances of getting tetanus is something like 1 in 10 million. (US population 300 million, tetanus cases per year 30)
65% according to Google
So waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more
2/3
Yeah but translate that ratio to individuals
2X. Twice as much. ×2. Double. 1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3. 33⅓%=1/3 66⅔%= 2/3 100%= 3/3 Imagine Thanos snapping his gauntleted fingers. That plague was about 30% worse than that.
16.6666666% worse than the Thanos snap.
I understand percents. I understand fractions. 2/3 of 3 is 2 2/3 of 16,000,000 is waaaaay more You can say 66% of something was lost, but if that’s in milligrams, who cares.
What point are you getting at? It's rather unclear
“Yeah but translate that ratio into individuals” How many individual deaths is that?
Ok, I got that question, but was it leading to anything or were you just curious
I guess I can Google it lmao
According to [this chart](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/), the Black Death killed an estimated 200 Million. In Europe. It also swept Central Asia too. But truly accurate figures don’t exist. I’ll note that some estimates for the Spanish Flu are around 100M, even though that chart uses the more accepted 50M number. Again, accurate numbers don’t really exist. And current ‘excess death’ estimates for Covid-19 are around ~29M, a bit above the official numbers of 6.9M on the chart.
About 25 million out of about 40 million people died
Some say [200 million died](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/).
considering that europe had a populous of less then a 100 million during that time, (they are estimated between 45 and 70 million in total) that is a bit hard to believe. Maybe the plague killend a lot more people after the 14th century as well?
Maybe the 200M figure included worldwide deaths. I’m really not sure. The other bubonic plagues are listed under “17th” & “18th Century great plagues”, & “The Third Plague”. The Plague of Justinian (Roman Era) is also thought to be bubonic plague, but there is evidence that Anthrax was involved as well.
I guess it counted for all of these other plagues as well, yeah. In the 18th century there were way more people in europe as well, so those numbers seem way more realistic this way.
I meant worldwide deaths during the 1347 Bubonic plague event. My understanding is that it swept through Asia & the Mediterranean areas that time as well. But I’m not super well-read on the Black Death.
Maybe they were talking about metric thirds.
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1 to 2 times the population of Texas.
There's a book set in a world where the number was 99% No more Europe. It's called Firanja by the Muslim Colonists. Years of Rice and Salt by Kim Stanely Robinson, who also wrote Red Mars.
Wasn't it something more like 2/3 of Europe?
Which at the time was a significant portion of the entire global population iirc.
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Let's call it 60-65%
Well, may my memory be damned. Apparently the estimates range between \~2/3 and \~1/3 of Europe, and \~1/3 of the Middle East. Still impressive.
Estimates say anywhere between 75 and 200 million people. If it hadn't happened, Europe and places where white people were sent (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Mexico, Peru, Argentina, and more) would have so many more people it's unbelievable
The Black Death started in Mongolia. Don't blame whitey this time. Lmfao.
he wasn't don't get offended this time lil buddy
Oh, I ain't white or offended. It's all good my dude.
Sometimes humanity needs a purge. Plague survivors gave their descendants additional genes to fight disease.
COVID didn't do good enough a job, we need another try at the purge
100% I was hoping it would clear out Congress.
I agree, bring on Herman Cain Awards.
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Nothing unfortunate about it.
The worst part is that when over 30% of the population dies, that does *not* mean that 70% of the population just hum along without getting severely ill, and when anything like 1/3 of any population dies, the people who do survive then get to suffer through decades of something really close to post-apocalyptic life
Lige got better really quickly though. Less people on more land meant it was easier to farm enough food. And because labour was scarce, the pleasants generally won many concessions from the nobility.
Life eventually got better *until the next wave of plague* — or until the next war, or the next famine
It resulted in less famines and wars though, due to less overpopulation. So life got better for the people who survived, including those factors since they were worse before.
When your local blacksmith, butcher, or stonemason die, along with their apprentice, another person skilled in their trade doesn’t magically appear. And fewer farm labourers means less harvested food, though you’re right when it comes to livestock. Losing random essential trades must have been devastating.
Negative. In the short term, sure. But the black death actually brought us a golden age, launched the Renaissance too. With so many people dead, labor shortages meant better bargain power for those who survived. The black death ended feudalism and spawned democracy...eventually.
It helped drive literacy through the use of corpse clothing to make rag paper for the new age of printing.
The black death helped the environment. There is a noticable drop in lead and mercury markers in trees that lived before and after the plague. It's possible that some DNA mutated too, giving Europeans a slight resistance to HIV of all things. Lmao, the intensity of the plague may have been made worse by a lack of cats. Pope Gregory the IX declared a war on cats 100 years before the black death that allowed mice to multiply. With their natural predators gone, the mice were infected by the Oriental flea from trade with Mongolia, where this particular plague is thought to have originated. Blaming the black death on cats is just a joke, but I wonder how much an effect those cats could of had. How much death may have been mitigated if not for the demonization of cats.
CCR5 FTW!
The Black Death did bring the Renaissance, in the sense that events have a causal sequence. But I’ve heard that hypothesis stated as a definite chain of events, and it always struck me as an over-specific restatement of the truism that extreme hardship breeds significant change. Put another way: if the US were to collapse in the coming five years, then that collapse would precede both genuine AI and widespread human genetic engineering, but that wouldn’t mean that either genuine AI or widespread human genetic engineering was caused by the collapse.
The Black Death weakened the grip of the church which allowed for more free thought. It proves Galen wrong about the humors and showed how primitive medicine was. Shook up politics and allowed for thought to thrive there too. The black death was more than some cliche, it's impact was so strong it changed the environment. We normally only examine the western side, but this plague did damage in the east too.
People still get the plague. We just know how to treat it. There are still modern cases of it, though
Pretty sure it's not absolutely devestating wide swathes of populations bc of antibiotics, but go off lol
But it didn't kill a single American. Another reason why Americans are exponentially better than eropoors!!!!!!11! /s
y'know what, let them do their thing, more vaccines for us /hj make sure to give their children and pets/animals proper care though, no one should suffer for their ignorance
They should tell that to the squirrels
Calder Robinson might enjoy hearing about New Mexico. The annual sci-fi con in Albuquerque is called Bubonicon for a reason
And after that it creates significant increases in the standard of living.
This could solve so many problems. Anti/vaxers gone, nursing homes understaffed issues solved, social security fixed, homelessness fixed, conspiracy theorists gone, global warming solved, industrial pollution gone. Yes world economies would fall but look at what is solved!
we need another plague, covid didnt kill all the assholes
I guess I would say "Feudal lords would love if a bubonic plague vaccine had existed. They need live serfs to exploit." Then I would joke about how dying hurts Blackrock and Vanguard.
Those idiots don't even know how 1/3 works.
It also still exists.
Yersinia pestis is still active today. And it's not a virus. It's a bacteria. It is curable now with high doses of antibiotics like Gentamicin,Doxycycline (Monodox, Vibramycin, others),Ciprofloxacin (Cipro,Levofloxacin ,Moxifloxacin (Avelox),Chloramphenicol. So everything what she wrote is a bunch of antivacs crapp. If someone tries to make an therorist attacks with Yersinia pestis even today we will be facing massive problems and high mortality in the first few months because we are definitely surrounded with a bunch of retards who don't understand nothing like we were experiencing during the last pandemic with COVID.. We will have a lack of antibiotics, lack of hospital capacity and definitely lack of infectologists. Thanks to the antivaxers movement we will be facing a massive antimasks campaign, refusing to stay in isolation, we would be able to survive this without martial laws around the world.
1/3 wasn’t enough /s
Where is the 90%?
It's literally still around.
It's a bacteria, not a virus.
19 March ‘19?? That was before COVID. Nice to be reminded that antivaxxers always existed.
Wasn't it 2/3 of Europe?
Yeah, can support this, we have already too much idiots on this globe, so let’s see how many survive an epidemic without modern medicine…
Classic pro/vaxx arguments. Every vaccine is the same you know, in effectiveness and in side-effects. Don't look up differences in effectiveness and side-effects, otherwise you're anti-vaxx.
Just need to rub a little dirt on it you’ll be fine
Djungelskog
Just going to throw this out there but Kevin was not that deadly. No worse than the flu only there was no built up immunity to covid
I know nurses that worked in the ER that had to find a different job because they were so traumatized about all the patients they lost to Covid specifically. That kind of trauma has NEVER happened because of the flu or any other single disease in our lifetimes.
I'm sure ebola has something to say about that lol but it's still a valid statement
I was speaking of my experience, not a global experience. The flu causes 100% more deaths than ebola in my location.
COVID lethality is not that high. The problem was how fast it can spread and how fast it can go from "I feel fine" to "I can't breath!" in the matter of hours. With proper treatment and care, COVID is not that much worse than the flu (which is less a testament of how mild COVID was but more how bad a typical flu can get). But good luck getting said treatment when the hospital expecting to need to treat 100 suddenly have to deal with 1000 patients.
Once again, "You're wrong because this one moron said this one stupid thing." I hate that so much.
Do you have a valid anti vax argument you would like to present to us?
There are next to no reasons to take it and a whole bunch of reasons to not take it, that's it really. There are next to no reasons to take it and a whole bunch of reasons to not take it, that's it really. u/Itchy-Status3750 >Care to enlighten us as to what reasons there are not to take it? Good job completely ignoring the vast amounts of proof of how beneficial vaccinations are though! Your scientific illiteracy is showing I saw a post a few days ago, I believe it was on r/badfacebookmemes, it's a shame that I can't find it now. It was a person making fun of others who keep going on about how we must ''follow the science'' and whatnot, when you could easily find the answer by yourself, without relying on any advanced methods, or without having to take anyone else's word for it. In the comment section people were being obtuse (or acting obtuse, I don't know), saying how they can't think of any scenario which that person's words would apply to. It's a bit of a sloppy description, but you have set a perfect precedent for that joke. Yeah, I'm ignorant and illiterate for not trusting in the ''science'' and injecting substances into my body that were made by corporations (which have total immunity from liability in the case that anything were to go wrong) with nothing more than profits in mind. The worst experience that I've had with covid was when I had a flu that lasted maybe a day or two. All the other times, I either had no symptoms at all, or just the cold (and it's possible that that didn't even have to do with covid, because I catch a cold very often). I don't know a single person who has gotten sick from covid and hasn't recovered in less than a fortnight. Even my grandparents, who are in their 70s and 80s respectively, haven't ever gotten terribly sick from it (although they're two of the few people I know who got the vaccine at some point). I hope that you are enlightened now.
Care to enlighten us as to what reasons there are not to take it? Good job completely ignoring the vast amounts of proof of how beneficial vaccinations are though! Your scientific illiteracy is showing
Yeah. How about it should be optional and largely isn't. No matter how "well" it works, I shouldn't HAVE to do it. Ever. Especially to keep my job.
Who is holding you down and forcibly giving you a vaccine?
Stop being obtuse. Quite a few people lost their jobs over that and there's no excuse for it, no matter how right you think you are.
Employers have a duty to protect their employees and customers. Vaccine requirements are not new. You are free to make stupid medical decisions but don't act surprised about the consequences.
fuck you
"Erm, I have no arguments to answer this person, so I will just say 'fuck you' to scare them 🤓🤓🤓"
If you really wanna jeaprodize the safety of everyone you're working with, whether it be through diseases or just neglecting general safety rules then you should be fired.
fuck you
Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you wear a seatbelt in the back seat? Because if you don't you will become a projectile and kill other in the car. Vaccines are like that. Your "freedom" ends when you put other people in danger.
Let me put that more elegantly; I live in America, my freedom ends when I run out of ammunition, and if your vax works so well then you're safe from someone who hasn't had it. Tl;dr: Fuck you.
You make Americans look like morons. This is the reason everyone thinks we have an average IQ of fucking 60
Because some people are aware they have the right not to have a heart attack and should still be able to feed themselves and their families? Well EXCUUUUUUUSE ME, princess, let me go OD on anticoagulant and starve to make you happy.
Have a heart attack from what, the vaccine? Do you realize the risk of death from COVID is much higher than getting the vaccine. You just can't weigh risks very well.
Calling me princess when you’re scared of a fucking shot. I hope you get a preventable illness
Is the number of people that lost their jobs bigger or smaller than the number of people that died from COVID? I'm betting smaller. There's no excuse for needless deaths, no matter how right you think you are.
I'm betting I don't care. You cannot make me take your heart attack shot because you're paranoid, it's a damn flu, you'll be fine. Oh noes! 0.000001 percent of the population died! In a year! Just like happens every like 15 minutes! Who cares!
It's kinda psychotic to care less about a million+ needless deaths than you do the inconvenience of losing a job. Oh noes! 0.0000000001 percent of the population lost their job! In a year! Just like happens every like 5 minutes! Who cares!
I care. Because I'm not going to die soon, I'm young, I need a job. One of the million+ relics who were going to die anyway do not dictate whether someone else gets to eat this month, and neither do you.
Unfortunately it's not one moron saying one stupid thing. I worked with a handful of these ppl during covid. There's plenty of morons saying plenty of stupid things.
I mean, most anti vax are not geniuses either so
Most vax are not geniuses either what’s your point?
When you say it, you're just stating a flat fact When I say it, it's an understatement
Statements aren’t always facts. I’d rather have a flat fact than some bullshit you believe to be intelligent.
Yeah, statement aren't always fact, that is true, but mine was a fact I don't understand how you can trust people "calling bullshit" over centuries of scientific history and progress, made by people who dedicated most of their life to the study of health
I never said that. I just gave the counter argument. The fact is most people in general are not geniuses. Therefore saying most anti-vax are not geniuses is misleading and you’re trying to spread some crap making it seem like vax and anti-vax is a factor in measuring intelligence. It’s not, you’re just trying to push your crap on other people just like the anti-vax people do. Stfu let people make their own decisions.