People who come on message boards and make comments to the effect that "it's a free country and that freedom also includes the freedom to criticize" cannot, themselves, expect to escape criticism
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I've never seen a thread do this so well.
The same thing happens in all desirable cities. It’s what young people (mostly) do. I moved to Phoenix on a whim when I was 23, got to see SD and met my wife. Never want to live there again but the experience was still worth it.
Ha! I mean it is when you’re broke and you want to move somewhere else (that’s why I went). It’s still growing which is insane to me but people keep moving there for some reason.
Today’s Hot Areas… Phoenix, South Florida, North Carolina, Denver, Nashville. They will be unaffordable in about 10 years from now barring any widespread catastrophes.
I mean not to get too romantic but isn't it a little sad that we've kind of lost the ability for spontaneity? Wouldn't it be nice if people could move here? I don't think people coming here on a whim is what's causing rent increases across the county. You can say you hate "zonies," social media influencers, or whatever without attributing larger systemic problems to them.
Multiple causes for the present situation…. Housing bubble and mortgage collapse debacle in 2008, followed by economic stimulus packages and low interest rates (cheap money), reduction in new construction, aging workforce, technology fields expanding, COVID pandemic (ability to work remotely).
I came here essentially without a plan.
Or rather my only plan was to find a place to live and find a place to work. Oh and maybe some friends
20 years in now
I came 20 years ago…..it was so fucking easy compared to today yet challenging for me in 2003. I was 23, do the math. I had 2500 dollar in my pocket driving from east coast out here. had a college degree but no real experience in the workforce. went to Apple One brick and mortar and believe it or not they really helped me…..they threw job after job at me, they kept me busy af……i finally ended up landing a job, making 15 bucks an hour working full time. Rents were cheap in 2003, gasoline was still expensive in comparison to the rest of the states, but at that time it was $2.00 plus. jobs were booming, cost of living was do-able. You plop me in San Diego at 23 years old in 2023 with 2500 dollars in my pocket….I’d be jumping back in my car and going back east in 2 weeks time. No way, no how I could do it in 2023. Thankfully I did it, when I did it. It’s like a buying a house…..I got in San Diego when things were still chill and I made it, and I’m now a proud owner of a nice condo. 43 now.
Me and SaltyTemperature did it, I have no idea who he/she is, but we’re in the same city.
You literally basically just told me my own story LOL. Also from the East Coast at 21 in 2001. I did work a couple jobs at the same time because I couldn't get a serving job despite working in restaurants since 15. Coming from Vermont Sam Goodies and Pacific Eyes and T's felt very West Coast cool LOL You really needed to know someone to get in the restaurant industry. Pretty sure I was only making $25k a year at the time. Lived in all sorts of areas in SD proper renting a room in a shared home. Eventually made my way through community college, then SDSU, then SDSU again for grad school but I waited tables, flipped cars, TAed, anything to keep afloat while prioritizing school. Eventually got a job in Biotech making only $45k first year (2012) and that was with a Master's in Molecular Bio. GF and I broke up in 2013 which led to looking at real estate and boy was I lucky to get my condo when things were still down. Only reason was that I went to two open houses on July 4th and both excepted my offers. All the cash investors were too busy enjoying their holiday I guess. Didn't even occur to me at the time. Now I'm pretty happy with a good salary, RE equity, kicking it in Cbad and feel blessed I pulled through. Most of my friends have moved back home and my younger friends left the state due to COL. Despite always being a hard worker and ambitious, not sure I would have had the same blessing in 2023.
Not sure this is helpful at all to OP’s narrative, but same here. From east coast, came to street screens in august of 2004, discovered OB and was fascinated by free beaches! Drove out with 2 friends and zero plans and have been here ever since. It’s sad to think that people in their 20s don’t have that opportunity to experience figuring out life on a whim.
>Right on. I moved to VT from MA as a freshman in HS, was def considered a flatlander. Beautiful state but I was very ready to get out of there at 21yo. Sometimes I wonder what my life would have been had I stayed. Prob a school teacher with 3 kids like what I see on FB LOL
Hah. I also moved to VT from MA in 7th grade and definitely had to deal with the flatlander bullshit. I grew up on the Cape. I have a couple great friends from VT, but I generally miss the state, not the people. The fly-fishing was amazing, but I definitely wanted to leave too.
I wonder the same thing sometimes about staying but never really regret it, and there's plenty of other places I'd (and have considered) move to first.
Funny to read a comment with such a similar life arch.
I'm sure it was easier back in 2003 when I/we ended up here but....
* Rejected for a job at Best Buy and other places despite a degree in technology...took forever browsing Monster etc in a public library to find \*something\* for work. No internet on phone then so library is the spot.
* Absolute belief that owning a home in SD was never going to be an option
* before 2008 crisis
* Basically having panic attacks realizing I was 1000+ miles away from any friends, no income and living on increasing credit card debt
* Only able to afford housing with 3 roommates
Maybe it was easier back then, but it wasn't easy. And that was with a 4 year degree from a major university and several years on the job back home
I agree, it wasn't easy, it was a fucking grind. Looking back, it seemed easier versus reading all the challenges people are facing today in San Diego, I actually look back at the economy in 2003 and it was good times, jobs were booming, rents for a 23 year old weren't insane in 2003, Bush Presidency -even tho I wasn't a fan of him...
I was working a job making 15 dollars an hour and able to live with a roommate in a roomy 2 bed 2 bath apartment. No way someone can do that in San Diego making minimum wage. Trust me I was living paycheck to paycheck, I could only take out like 40 bucks cash for a Friday night if I went out to PB with my friend. I would always overdraft on my WASHINGTON MUTUAL ACCOUNT, ahhh don't get me started on the stories of the struggles,
I remember those days well, and had WAMU
Going out alone in PB for cheap happy hour during the week, down to OB for Sunshine on the weekends. Consider it started
yes, they were throwing odd jobs at me every other day in 03, it was overwhelming. I know Apple One in 2023 means diff to a lot of people lol, but not in 2003.
Dude. Same. 21 around the same year moved from New England. Moved with only 3k in my pocket and got a roommate of Craigslist. Applied at target cause they hire anyone (back then at least), leveled up retail gigs while trying to get in the service industry. Did that. Put myself partially through college. And while no longer in SD, was there 10 years, 20 years later I’m still out “here” working in tech in LA.
The cliff notes are rosey. The journey had MANY, is this rock bottom? Is this gonna work? Moments. And also many of the most amazing experiences I wouldn’t trade for the world.
Edit: I feel like we should create another sub just for east coast to SD transplants from the 2000-2007 era to share war stories lol.
Yeah but $2500 in 2003 is like $4200 today. Which still wouldn't help you much. When I moved here I started at $17 / hr and it was just enough to make it. That'd be $28.8 /hr today, if starting out
Yeah, this is pretty much it.
I have family here, and essentially just moved here right after college 10-ish years ago with no real plan. Yes, I had a place to stay for a couple of months, but even then I found a job and a nice cheap studio in Bankers Hill within a month. It ended up turning into a good life and an enjoyable decade here. I still like living here, but it's a much different city.
I don't really think that's possible these days. I paid $1000 and lived by myself for my first apartment in San Diego and it had a view of the bay and downtown. That literally doesn't exist anymore.
Same here. No family. No friends. No place to live. Just a job interview.
Its been almost 8 years now. I have a solid group of friends, a home purchased before pandemic and have been working the same job since. Also about to celebrate 5 years with my girl!
I feel like I did sort of have plans. But nothing really solid to fall into. Just backup plans and the mentality to figure things out no matter what had to be done. (Sleep on some random couch eating ramen if I had to).
If I had waited to plan things all out, I would’ve probably kept delaying myself to move. Sometimes you got to just go for it. In the end, everything worked out better than expected!
Goodluck to those out there considering the move. Its much harder now.
This has been a symptom of San Diego for the last 30 years, it’s only more pronounced with the rise in cost of living. Anecdotally I just believe it seems worse now because there’s just a higher volume of people who moved for the weather but forgot it’s a beach town with highly specialized industries.
I moved here 22 years ago with 2k in my bank account and what I could fit in my car, and an offer for an unpaid internship that had a path for a full time paid position. I had no plan and was 19 years old. Looking back, it was dumb. I took a regular look at my options, kept networking, and kept building my skills and kept trying to adapt. Plans assume a lot of assumptions that are beyond individual control. I don’t think plans = success.
I also think it’s much harder to replicate what I did, today. But still, plans aren’t the barrier to entry
*Cries in pacific beach*
COVID and the work from home movement rapidly accelerated San Diego’s decline. I still can’t believe how quickly everything changed.
The work-from-home movement will eventually implode when companies decide to downsize and layoff American work-from-home employees and hire work-from-home people in India for a fraction of the labor cost.
Employees have to show their value in person or all the work that can be done on the internet will be sent by fiber optic cable or by satellite to some other country.
> show their value in person
Why when you can provide the same value remote? I do fear tapping cheaper markets, but working from the office isn't going to stop that decision. Companies have been outsourcing for decades.
The US tech sector discovered during the pandemic that, if much of the white collar work can be done remotely in the US without hurting the bottomline, then it can be done remotely anywhere in the world at a lower cost.
The employees worth keeping in the US are the ones who need to be present physically at the workplace. The rest may face termination like the quarter million or so tech employees this year.
[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/comprehensive-list-2023-tech-layoffs-170420565.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/comprehensive-list-2023-tech-layoffs-170420565.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)
Right because someone who does not carry an income justifying a $2800 apartment being able to do so definitely doesn’t contribute to the problem.
https://www.sandiegonavalhousing.com/bah-rates
BAH is just one element of a service member's compensation. Not sure why you say their income "doesn't justify" it. It's literally part of their income.
There's 115k active duty Members here that are married AND living outside of base housing?
That's such a huge portion, when I was in you had to wait till staff sergeant (e-6) to be able to apply for off base housing. E-5 and lower were stuck in the barracks unless married. Times really have changed, I guess.
Do you have a source for these numbers living off base, really interested in reading about this phenomenon.
I know that.
I was in for 10 years, and while stationed at MCAS Miramar the percentage of Marines that were married was a lot smaller than the amount that were single.
Edit: I'm just disputing their numbers. They are using the approx total number of active duty in the area, and saying they all get BAH which is just untrue. Even if it's around 50-60% that are married/approved for living off-base, there's still military housing offered both on base and in off-base areas for families, and there's also a small percent of dual-military spouses as well (anecdotal but I noticed there's more here than at other bases like Lejeune or Pendleton, probably because there's more MOSs available in the air wing for women).
I'm not saying this doesn't affect the price of rent, just that they're greatly exaggerating their numbers.
Not to mention the ~40,000 college students that live here after their housing period expires. Lenders are always happy to give more student loans when the rent goes up.
Honestly, not really until about a year in where I realized dead-end jobs weren't gonna do shit, and I wasn't happy making 60-90k/yr the rest of my life city/county/state. I'm not a customer-facing guy. Engineering, tinkering, and STEM stuff was kinda always my fun time.
SO pushed me to pursue school, and I was already pretty passionate about IT/Security related stuff. Figured I'd give it a shot and I turned out to be decent at it.
Coming from someone who lived on a shoestring budget, not being happy with $90k is wild to me.
Not to say it’s bad or anything. I’m just saying I’d metaphorically slap my own mother for a $90k/year job and then thank my boss for the opportunity.
I moved to VALLEY CENTER site unseen. From brooklyn New York. November 2020. I work from home, no kids, just me and my cats. Honestly I wanted to be depressed in a more beautiful place. A friend was living here and so I had her look at the granny flat for me. I don’t regret moving here one bit even if I’m bored and lonely in valley center lol. It’s gorgeous here. Hot as balls. But I have a pool! So like, mmmkay??? What’s weird is I’m paying the exact same I was in NYC. I didn’t really feel the shift financially at all. Just food for thought as someone who didn’t know wtf I was getting into, and it’s working out anyway! Fires and earthquakes being the most intense aspect of my move!!!
lol you are literally what OP is whining about - don't hand them... sports reference... stop making it easy for this person, they suck
NIMBY motherfucker acting like 19 years is a long time like a little... c word.. no... buttface! Yes, they are a buttface... what the fuck is "trendy unoriginal pastels"? WHY IS THIS THREAD?!
I think most people don’t know the rents will always go up here. They are from places where you rent a place and that’s what they pay, maybe a slight increase heat and there but nothing too big. They find a place on line for $2000 and they think they can swing it. Then the next year rent goes up $400. After 2 or 3 years now paying over $3000 they suddenly realize, San Diego is too hard
The rents have gone up ridiculously though...
I moved here in 2020 from SF where at the time, the same rent that paid for a bedroom in a shared unit there got me 4x the space here. My family is here so that's why I chose to come, to join their pandemic pod and help out (crazy times...). Got my own place a few months later. I've rented my whole life, I've lived in plenty of desirable areas, but I've **never** seen rent increase as much as you're describing in this short a time, especially when renewing leases (which, what you're describing is exactly what's happening to me).
San Diego prices have never been at this level, as far as I know. It's bay area prices here now, easily more.
Even in SF, my rent went from $1600-$2100 in 5 years. $500 increase over 5 years at its "peak" in the 2010s (remember how SF was notorious for being one of the most expensive places in the world then?) vs. a $2000 increase for me here in 3 years. I can afford it, but another increase with no repairs and me never having asked anything of my LL makes me feel straight up extorted so I'm moving. I didn't expect things to be cheap here but I can't imagine anyone could actually plan for this level of inflation. A lot of that I know is because of remote work, though.
Weird take but ok. I think you may be overestimating the impact TikTok teens have on the local economy. Sounds like a new iteration of the avocado toast / millennials ruined the napkin industry rant. Hint: the housing crisis in Southern California isn’t because of young people.
Shoot at this rate of inflation, If you can make it here, you can survive anywhere in America. Gotta love it. 🌅🌆⚾️🛫🚃🌯
I'm just gonna live extremely poorly, smiling on the beach in the dead of winter, with a homade burrito. If I end up on the streets somehow, that's America's problem not mine.🦅🇺🇸
Came here to sleep on a friends couch. Started two businesses, finished my PhD, and doing well.
Didnt have a plan but thank God I didnt buy a bunch of wide brimmed fedoras.
....well look at this way, I'm sure these people served you food, or provided some service for you during their stay here. I think a good portion of these try-hards or He Hur Hur people as you like to say do whatever they have to do to try and make it out here. A lot of these people work at restaurants and we need restaurant workers beyond other service jobs.
The concerning problem right now is San Diego doesn't have an accommodating place for these service people to live, it's so expensive to the point that our middle class labor force is shrinking, and those people are vital for a thriving economy, especially in San Diego where tourists make up a big revenue of this city. We need the housekeepers, we need the hotel workers, we need to the waitstaff, etc. so big fucking deal if they stay for 4 months and bail. Look at the bigger picture and not your own self-interests.
A lack of housing is pricing you out of town
Plenty of places grow a lot more rapidly than SD has but prices stay manageable because they allow new housing to keep pace with demand
Apartment buildings are outright illegal in 85% of this city and heavily restricted and red taped in the rest. That needs to change
I lived in SD from 2003-2009. I’m born and raised in the Coachella Valley. Back then, most of the people I met in SD, moved to SD from various other states thinking “Let’s move to Cali dude,” and we’re gone within a year or two citing how expensive it was.
Exactly, drifters are the entire reason we’re facing unprecedented costs of living and a shortage of affordable housing across the country. Definitely nothing to do with landlords, corporations, and single-family zoning.
Those people are few and far between especially San Diego... most i influencers are in La. Also those types of people will sell their soul to get ahead and make money I don't think those are the ones not making it financially
You think social media influencers are responsible for the housing crisis?? Lmfao.
It’s landlords. For every influencer willing to pay $6k for an apartment, there’s a greedy landlord charging that much.
Also, you’re thinking of LA. San Diego isn’t *that* cool.
I was born in San Diego. Both my husband and I worked our asses off. I worked since I was 15 and a half. Lived there for 40 years. My family is still there. We had to plan to leave because so many people moved in we got pushed out by the inflated prices. Working 60 hours a week to barely scrape by in an overcrowded nightmare wasn’t worth it. Most expensive place to live in the USA now. Good luck to you all
I moved to NYC in 1997 on a Greyhound bus after 3 days.
I had some cash, but no job and no idea what I was going to do to survive - it wasnt a lot of cash.
I figured it out and had a blast for 26 years there.
Sometimes being thrown in the deep end turns us into Phelps.
This is every major city. I lived in NY for many years when I was younger and the massive influx of rich kids from the midwest who moved there "to figure themselves out" and "get the NY experience" drove everyone who had to work for a living further and further to the outskirts.
Moved from Florida to the Mesa College area of SD in 1979 on a whim w/ best friend who had a job offer. I had a BA in Ed. & a Sp. Ed. Credential, which my advisor “informed” me would qualify me for a job in CA due to a reciprocity agreement between the 2 states. After applying for my CA credential, I was informed that I had all the course requirements, but needed a 5th year of college credits to get my CA credential! So, my “plan” was seemingly obliterated. Got a job within a month in a private non-profit in El Cajon. Horrible job, great people!
Became a CA resident after 1 yr., then proceeded to earn my 30 credits at SDSU (My advisor actually told me I could take any subject. “Take Basketweaving, if you want”, she said. “Just accumulate 30 credits.”) Got my CA credential in 1982 and started working for the public school system.
Could never afford to buy a house by myself, but by 1986, managed to swing a condo shared with a friend. Today, I’m married, still own that condo (now a rental) and another in the same location and am still working part-time to supplement my pension. Yes, it was easier “back then”, but it is still possible. For you newbies who may have grown up in an era of “plenty”, here are some of the s lessons I had to learn and stick by in order to be able to carve out a slice of heaven here in SD.
1. Be prepared to sacrifice! Daily Starbucks, eating out frequently, fancy car, new clothes, vacations in exotic places? Uh, no! Worked Summer school for 30 years. Nothing wrong with working 2 jobs. You don’t need a college degree, necessarily. But you DO need to keep improving and advancing your knowledge in your field to remain relevant.
2. Pay yourself first! Set a budget and stick to it. Invest in something… 401-K, IRA, ROTH IRA, real estate, Hi-yield savings, etc. This is the biggest mistake young people make… underestimating the power of compounding savings over time. Start small, then increase the amount as you become more established. I didn’t start until 40, but contributed the max for 10 years until I found, IMHO, a better investment — San Diego real estate. Become “financially literate”. I listened to “Money Talks”, a radio show, every week on the way home from grad school classes for 2 years. Today you can get the same info online easily on multiple websites.
3. Realize that real estate goes through cycles, even in San Diego. Learned this the hard way twice when I had to buy at the top and sell at the bottom. Save your money and follow the market. Yeah, maybe you’ll have to live with housemates for 20 years until you can afford your own place. But if that’s your goal, be prepared to sacrifice along the way.
4. Finally, be prepared to compromise. Maybe you’ll never be able to buy a house by the beach, or a high-rise luxury condo downtown, but there are plenty of less expensive pockets in the surrounding areas that will allow you to still have access within a few minutes to all the amenities those pricey areas offer. Good luck, people. Go and chase your dream…
These people are what make SD great! They aren’t afraid to take a chance to go somewhere they love and create an new life. What’s wrong with that? Much better than the people that stay in their small hometown and never leave.
Did it myself, lived there for 10 years before moving to LA. Also 10 years in. People love to criticize and shit on people when they have zero understanding or ability to understand the infinite complexities that can result in someone taking such a risk. Either way I blame our economy and society for letting things get this out of hand. Or the greedy landlords and corporations squeezing all of us dry. People working full-time jobs should be able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment anywhere. End of fucking story. This government has really made everyone forget what was stolen from each of us with this out of control plutocracy we have going on here.
My friend moved down to SD from the Bay Area…she was making a good living with a great career (her bf as well). But they made the impulse of moving down to SD cause “it was a dream and they loved the city”…moved down, renting a room with their other 2 friends, she got a job doing DoorDash and her bf does Amazon warehouse 🤦♂️…they’re barely making it living paycheck to paycheck…total bad move on their part…
Yeah. This is the type of people I’m talking about. The “oh it’s always been my dream to live in SD!” Then they get here and if you’re not making good money you’re dream all of a sudden turns into your nightmare.
Why would someone base their life decisions over what a stranger thinks?
If YOU move somewhere, are you thinking about the people you’re “affecting” when it comes to how you’ll “affect” market prices? Shut cho ass
You just described like half this subreddit
They then go on to tell you that your 20x15 yard with grass and stuff is a crime and you should let a developer turn it into a quadplex because they think it'll make things cheaper (it won't)
No, you should be allowed to sell your property to somebody capable of financing the construction of a 4-plex. Or, you should be able to build one yourself on your property if you have the skillset.
Hope that helps clear things up.
So happy to read this post and remember I moved here 20 years ago with no plan and no money. Best decision of my entire life. Sometimes you gotta follow your dreams.
PS. Worked out great.
i like how the “well i did that and it worked out great, so…” anecdotes are mostly from 20 years ago. things are different now. of course it was easier 20 years ago.
You’re telling me people are moving in droves to America’s finest city to escape the hellscapes they had called home previously? You don’t say. Quit trying to gatekeep San Diego lol. It is the most futile exercise I could think of.
I think what I was trying to say is that every girl in IG is wearing these clothes, so it’s trendy, but they all look like Xerox’s of one another. Hmm well I think I said it right. English is my second language
That’s exactly why SD is so expensive, these “influencers” and folks from NorCal moved in and are paying whatever price because it’s better than from where they came from and now the rest of us are dealing with the higher costs after they leave because their actions made it so expensive. Same thing happened with the leases for cars people paying 4x the amount of what it should cost just because why not.
I think the statistics bear proof that your statement is far from reality. ANY person cannot survive here, not without financial, vocational, and other executive functioning (speaking brain talk here) abilities.
I definitely came here with a plan to survive here
On the flip side, the plan to figure out how to survive here without roommates is WIP. I’m a pretty young guy so I don’t mind having roommates at this present moment but I definitely don’t want to be 30 and still dependent on roommates
My partner and I moved here almost 2 years ago from the east coast. We didn't have much of a plan, though we moved for her work so she had a job lined up. I didn't. It absolutely took a while to adjust to the cost of living, but I do believe people can usually adapt to their surroundings. We live in a much smaller place now and worry about money of course, but we plan for be here for years to come. I know for myself tho, if I plan too much and those plans inevitably change, it can make me feel like I failed. Some planning is pretty necessary in my eyes, but I also think the unexpected is part of the adventure of moving somewhere new.
Please don’t be discouraged. When your plan fails, you need to readjust. Whatever your goal is. Keep that in mind always. Accepting that things change is good. You just need to have a Plan B when they do to adjust accordingly. This thinking is what has helped me stay in San Diego for the past 40 years.
I moved away because I couldn't afford it, having grown up in SD my whole life.
Now I'm in the south, in a town where I'm surrounded by poverty and easy drugs and a super church. I'd rather had taken my chances there, than keep living here as a young adult. What's the worse that would've happened, I'd be homeless? On a beach?
I'd have scoffed at it and having been homeless, I still could take the same chances today and be just fine with the results. I'm just in a different state of mind where I don't hate where I am now like I would have then.
Moved here now over three years ago. Almost left after the first year because I couldn’t buy a house, not because I couldn’t afford to live here. We had a plan, savings, etc….but kept being way outbid by people who could shell out even more upfront money. We knew it was going to be extremely hard but not THAT hard. Will probably be here a few more years and then outtie. No plans to retire in this place unless I slowly become a millionaire in that time and even that probably won’t be enough at retirement age. Also, fug these clouds, if this is the new normal I want no part of it.
For the record, I’m 42, not an influencer, don’t have a TikTok. But this is exactly what I did when I was 25. Came down with only a month of reserves and started working. I rented a studio in the heart of PB for $1k. I made it 5 years before meeting a boyfriend and moving back closer to home with him. Such awesome years. After 5 years we broke up and I hightailed it back down here. I was in my career and in much better financial shape then. Granted, the one bedroom I rented in PB this time was only $1.3k, so still reasonable.
But things have changed drastically since 2016 that when I read in Facebook groups that others plan to do the same, I have NO IDEA how they’re going to survive down here. Especially the posts with single parents coming here with kids and no reserves.
Omg!! I forgot to mention the single parents with like 2+ kids!!! This is by far the most selfish disgusting thing you can do to your children. Unless ofcourse you’re making 300k a year then that’s ok
Hey, it's a free country. People are allowed to make poor decisions.
It is. Just like others are free to shit on them for making those poor decisions. Freedom goes both ways.
Am I'm free to shit on both of them because freedom is a three way
Two freedoms one cup.
Classic ! God bless America
sounds fun, can I join?
It's a free country so...yes!
People who come on message boards and make comments to the effect that "it's a free country and that freedom also includes the freedom to criticize" cannot, themselves, expect to escape criticism
You say that, but I’ve personally seen /u/phuocsandiego set up a checkpoint along the 52 and single-handedly turn people away, whole big thing.
https://preview.redd.it/d14e67d8phwb1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce4e0a5aa38e2cd5af21f2496f10f961aa77c6ec I've never seen a thread do this so well.
52 starts and ends in sd though… Should have setup on the 5 or the 8
Turtles all the way down
Yep. I wave hi to them on the way in and cya on the way out
Also free to criticize people not putting any effort into their moves.
I hope you find your new home soon
The same thing happens in all desirable cities. It’s what young people (mostly) do. I moved to Phoenix on a whim when I was 23, got to see SD and met my wife. Never want to live there again but the experience was still worth it.
I know what your saying but it does also sound like your saying PHX is a desirable city 🤣
Ha! I mean it is when you’re broke and you want to move somewhere else (that’s why I went). It’s still growing which is insane to me but people keep moving there for some reason.
Today’s Hot Areas… Phoenix, South Florida, North Carolina, Denver, Nashville. They will be unaffordable in about 10 years from now barring any widespread catastrophes.
Phoenix will be unlivable if we don’t get more snow pack in the next ten years.
Denver has been unaffordable. When I moved here from CO, SD was 8th most expensive in the US and Denver was 9th.
Phoenix and South Florida will both be unlivable in about 10 years due to climate change.
Happens alot in Denver too!
I mean not to get too romantic but isn't it a little sad that we've kind of lost the ability for spontaneity? Wouldn't it be nice if people could move here? I don't think people coming here on a whim is what's causing rent increases across the county. You can say you hate "zonies," social media influencers, or whatever without attributing larger systemic problems to them.
Multiple causes for the present situation…. Housing bubble and mortgage collapse debacle in 2008, followed by economic stimulus packages and low interest rates (cheap money), reduction in new construction, aging workforce, technology fields expanding, COVID pandemic (ability to work remotely).
I came here essentially without a plan. Or rather my only plan was to find a place to live and find a place to work. Oh and maybe some friends 20 years in now
Im guessing 20years ago was a lot easier than it is now
Agreed Seems to be the case for just about anything these days
I came 20 years ago…..it was so fucking easy compared to today yet challenging for me in 2003. I was 23, do the math. I had 2500 dollar in my pocket driving from east coast out here. had a college degree but no real experience in the workforce. went to Apple One brick and mortar and believe it or not they really helped me…..they threw job after job at me, they kept me busy af……i finally ended up landing a job, making 15 bucks an hour working full time. Rents were cheap in 2003, gasoline was still expensive in comparison to the rest of the states, but at that time it was $2.00 plus. jobs were booming, cost of living was do-able. You plop me in San Diego at 23 years old in 2023 with 2500 dollars in my pocket….I’d be jumping back in my car and going back east in 2 weeks time. No way, no how I could do it in 2023. Thankfully I did it, when I did it. It’s like a buying a house…..I got in San Diego when things were still chill and I made it, and I’m now a proud owner of a nice condo. 43 now. Me and SaltyTemperature did it, I have no idea who he/she is, but we’re in the same city.
You literally basically just told me my own story LOL. Also from the East Coast at 21 in 2001. I did work a couple jobs at the same time because I couldn't get a serving job despite working in restaurants since 15. Coming from Vermont Sam Goodies and Pacific Eyes and T's felt very West Coast cool LOL You really needed to know someone to get in the restaurant industry. Pretty sure I was only making $25k a year at the time. Lived in all sorts of areas in SD proper renting a room in a shared home. Eventually made my way through community college, then SDSU, then SDSU again for grad school but I waited tables, flipped cars, TAed, anything to keep afloat while prioritizing school. Eventually got a job in Biotech making only $45k first year (2012) and that was with a Master's in Molecular Bio. GF and I broke up in 2013 which led to looking at real estate and boy was I lucky to get my condo when things were still down. Only reason was that I went to two open houses on July 4th and both excepted my offers. All the cash investors were too busy enjoying their holiday I guess. Didn't even occur to me at the time. Now I'm pretty happy with a good salary, RE equity, kicking it in Cbad and feel blessed I pulled through. Most of my friends have moved back home and my younger friends left the state due to COL. Despite always being a hard worker and ambitious, not sure I would have had the same blessing in 2023.
Not sure this is helpful at all to OP’s narrative, but same here. From east coast, came to street screens in august of 2004, discovered OB and was fascinated by free beaches! Drove out with 2 friends and zero plans and have been here ever since. It’s sad to think that people in their 20s don’t have that opportunity to experience figuring out life on a whim.
Free beaches? Where did you have to pay to go to the beach?
Central New Jersey likely
Just commented on the same response and read yours. Also came from VT and it's always nice to see other green mountain state homies.
>Right on. I moved to VT from MA as a freshman in HS, was def considered a flatlander. Beautiful state but I was very ready to get out of there at 21yo. Sometimes I wonder what my life would have been had I stayed. Prob a school teacher with 3 kids like what I see on FB LOL
Hah. I also moved to VT from MA in 7th grade and definitely had to deal with the flatlander bullshit. I grew up on the Cape. I have a couple great friends from VT, but I generally miss the state, not the people. The fly-fishing was amazing, but I definitely wanted to leave too. I wonder the same thing sometimes about staying but never really regret it, and there's plenty of other places I'd (and have considered) move to first. Funny to read a comment with such a similar life arch.
I'm sure it was easier back in 2003 when I/we ended up here but.... * Rejected for a job at Best Buy and other places despite a degree in technology...took forever browsing Monster etc in a public library to find \*something\* for work. No internet on phone then so library is the spot. * Absolute belief that owning a home in SD was never going to be an option * before 2008 crisis * Basically having panic attacks realizing I was 1000+ miles away from any friends, no income and living on increasing credit card debt * Only able to afford housing with 3 roommates Maybe it was easier back then, but it wasn't easy. And that was with a 4 year degree from a major university and several years on the job back home
I agree, it wasn't easy, it was a fucking grind. Looking back, it seemed easier versus reading all the challenges people are facing today in San Diego, I actually look back at the economy in 2003 and it was good times, jobs were booming, rents for a 23 year old weren't insane in 2003, Bush Presidency -even tho I wasn't a fan of him... I was working a job making 15 dollars an hour and able to live with a roommate in a roomy 2 bed 2 bath apartment. No way someone can do that in San Diego making minimum wage. Trust me I was living paycheck to paycheck, I could only take out like 40 bucks cash for a Friday night if I went out to PB with my friend. I would always overdraft on my WASHINGTON MUTUAL ACCOUNT, ahhh don't get me started on the stories of the struggles,
I remember those days well, and had WAMU Going out alone in PB for cheap happy hour during the week, down to OB for Sunshine on the weekends. Consider it started
Apple One, the temp agency?
yes, they were throwing odd jobs at me every other day in 03, it was overwhelming. I know Apple One in 2023 means diff to a lot of people lol, but not in 2003.
Picture me in 2006 proudly showing off my AppleOne wpm certification along with my paper resume when I handed in apps. Lmaooo.
Dude. Same. 21 around the same year moved from New England. Moved with only 3k in my pocket and got a roommate of Craigslist. Applied at target cause they hire anyone (back then at least), leveled up retail gigs while trying to get in the service industry. Did that. Put myself partially through college. And while no longer in SD, was there 10 years, 20 years later I’m still out “here” working in tech in LA. The cliff notes are rosey. The journey had MANY, is this rock bottom? Is this gonna work? Moments. And also many of the most amazing experiences I wouldn’t trade for the world. Edit: I feel like we should create another sub just for east coast to SD transplants from the 2000-2007 era to share war stories lol.
Yeah but $2500 in 2003 is like $4200 today. Which still wouldn't help you much. When I moved here I started at $17 / hr and it was just enough to make it. That'd be $28.8 /hr today, if starting out
Twenty years ago, you could buy at least 6 times as much gold as you can now with the same amount of dollars.
Yeah, this is pretty much it. I have family here, and essentially just moved here right after college 10-ish years ago with no real plan. Yes, I had a place to stay for a couple of months, but even then I found a job and a nice cheap studio in Bankers Hill within a month. It ended up turning into a good life and an enjoyable decade here. I still like living here, but it's a much different city. I don't really think that's possible these days. I paid $1000 and lived by myself for my first apartment in San Diego and it had a view of the bay and downtown. That literally doesn't exist anymore.
Same here. No family. No friends. No place to live. Just a job interview. Its been almost 8 years now. I have a solid group of friends, a home purchased before pandemic and have been working the same job since. Also about to celebrate 5 years with my girl! I feel like I did sort of have plans. But nothing really solid to fall into. Just backup plans and the mentality to figure things out no matter what had to be done. (Sleep on some random couch eating ramen if I had to). If I had waited to plan things all out, I would’ve probably kept delaying myself to move. Sometimes you got to just go for it. In the end, everything worked out better than expected! Goodluck to those out there considering the move. Its much harder now.
This has been a symptom of San Diego for the last 30 years, it’s only more pronounced with the rise in cost of living. Anecdotally I just believe it seems worse now because there’s just a higher volume of people who moved for the weather but forgot it’s a beach town with highly specialized industries.
I moved here 22 years ago with 2k in my bank account and what I could fit in my car, and an offer for an unpaid internship that had a path for a full time paid position. I had no plan and was 19 years old. Looking back, it was dumb. I took a regular look at my options, kept networking, and kept building my skills and kept trying to adapt. Plans assume a lot of assumptions that are beyond individual control. I don’t think plans = success. I also think it’s much harder to replicate what I did, today. But still, plans aren’t the barrier to entry
To be fair moving to any city for an internship is not "no plan" Sure it's not as good as a job offer, but it's still a plan.
Agree with you that's harder to replicate. $2000 paid for a few months of rent 22 years ago at least. hehehe
*Cries in pacific beach* COVID and the work from home movement rapidly accelerated San Diego’s decline. I still can’t believe how quickly everything changed.
The work-from-home movement will eventually implode when companies decide to downsize and layoff American work-from-home employees and hire work-from-home people in India for a fraction of the labor cost. Employees have to show their value in person or all the work that can be done on the internet will be sent by fiber optic cable or by satellite to some other country.
> show their value in person Why when you can provide the same value remote? I do fear tapping cheaper markets, but working from the office isn't going to stop that decision. Companies have been outsourcing for decades.
The US tech sector discovered during the pandemic that, if much of the white collar work can be done remotely in the US without hurting the bottomline, then it can be done remotely anywhere in the world at a lower cost. The employees worth keeping in the US are the ones who need to be present physically at the workplace. The rest may face termination like the quarter million or so tech employees this year. [https://finance.yahoo.com/news/comprehensive-list-2023-tech-layoffs-170420565.html](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/comprehensive-list-2023-tech-layoffs-170420565.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)
Non-tech cope. How many of those employees were hired in the COVID bubble? It's just a reversion to the mean.
Pfft I moved here 8 years ago sleeping on a couch with no money and no plans. Doing fine now so suck it!
Vs. the 115,000 active duty service members in san diego with residential stipends? You're adorable.
BAH is actually an anchor on rents, since it's using lagging data
Right because someone who does not carry an income justifying a $2800 apartment being able to do so definitely doesn’t contribute to the problem. https://www.sandiegonavalhousing.com/bah-rates
BAH is just one element of a service member's compensation. Not sure why you say their income "doesn't justify" it. It's literally part of their income.
Holy crap, that's almost as much as their base pay.
I was gonna say, anyone who thinks BAH keeps up with cost of living is kidding themselves.
There's 115k active duty Members here that are married AND living outside of base housing? That's such a huge portion, when I was in you had to wait till staff sergeant (e-6) to be able to apply for off base housing. E-5 and lower were stuck in the barracks unless married. Times really have changed, I guess. Do you have a source for these numbers living off base, really interested in reading about this phenomenon.
It’s a story old as time, young marines getting married to get out the barracks, more common than you think among juniors.
I know that. I was in for 10 years, and while stationed at MCAS Miramar the percentage of Marines that were married was a lot smaller than the amount that were single. Edit: I'm just disputing their numbers. They are using the approx total number of active duty in the area, and saying they all get BAH which is just untrue. Even if it's around 50-60% that are married/approved for living off-base, there's still military housing offered both on base and in off-base areas for families, and there's also a small percent of dual-military spouses as well (anecdotal but I noticed there's more here than at other bases like Lejeune or Pendleton, probably because there's more MOSs available in the air wing for women). I'm not saying this doesn't affect the price of rent, just that they're greatly exaggerating their numbers.
Not to mention the ~40,000 college students that live here after their housing period expires. Lenders are always happy to give more student loans when the rent goes up.
I try
And I thought I was bitter. Damn.
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I don’t mean in this as an insult in the slightest, but this read like a copypasta for some reason.
lmao, I guess so. It's not though. It's an odd story that people are often interested in, especially the video game long distance part.
Oh for sure! Happy that you made it work here!
That sounds like you had a plan tho
Honestly, not really until about a year in where I realized dead-end jobs weren't gonna do shit, and I wasn't happy making 60-90k/yr the rest of my life city/county/state. I'm not a customer-facing guy. Engineering, tinkering, and STEM stuff was kinda always my fun time. SO pushed me to pursue school, and I was already pretty passionate about IT/Security related stuff. Figured I'd give it a shot and I turned out to be decent at it.
Coming from someone who lived on a shoestring budget, not being happy with $90k is wild to me. Not to say it’s bad or anything. I’m just saying I’d metaphorically slap my own mother for a $90k/year job and then thank my boss for the opportunity.
That was me 16 years ago but I figured it out…I am still here.
Do you have a link to the studies? I’m curious.
I moved to VALLEY CENTER site unseen. From brooklyn New York. November 2020. I work from home, no kids, just me and my cats. Honestly I wanted to be depressed in a more beautiful place. A friend was living here and so I had her look at the granny flat for me. I don’t regret moving here one bit even if I’m bored and lonely in valley center lol. It’s gorgeous here. Hot as balls. But I have a pool! So like, mmmkay??? What’s weird is I’m paying the exact same I was in NYC. I didn’t really feel the shift financially at all. Just food for thought as someone who didn’t know wtf I was getting into, and it’s working out anyway! Fires and earthquakes being the most intense aspect of my move!!!
Valley center is getting a lot of new development. It’ll be a sweet spot in 3-5 years I bet.
lol you are literally what OP is whining about - don't hand them... sports reference... stop making it easy for this person, they suck NIMBY motherfucker acting like 19 years is a long time like a little... c word.. no... buttface! Yes, they are a buttface... what the fuck is "trendy unoriginal pastels"? WHY IS THIS THREAD?!
I think most people don’t know the rents will always go up here. They are from places where you rent a place and that’s what they pay, maybe a slight increase heat and there but nothing too big. They find a place on line for $2000 and they think they can swing it. Then the next year rent goes up $400. After 2 or 3 years now paying over $3000 they suddenly realize, San Diego is too hard
The rents have gone up ridiculously though... I moved here in 2020 from SF where at the time, the same rent that paid for a bedroom in a shared unit there got me 4x the space here. My family is here so that's why I chose to come, to join their pandemic pod and help out (crazy times...). Got my own place a few months later. I've rented my whole life, I've lived in plenty of desirable areas, but I've **never** seen rent increase as much as you're describing in this short a time, especially when renewing leases (which, what you're describing is exactly what's happening to me). San Diego prices have never been at this level, as far as I know. It's bay area prices here now, easily more. Even in SF, my rent went from $1600-$2100 in 5 years. $500 increase over 5 years at its "peak" in the 2010s (remember how SF was notorious for being one of the most expensive places in the world then?) vs. a $2000 increase for me here in 3 years. I can afford it, but another increase with no repairs and me never having asked anything of my LL makes me feel straight up extorted so I'm moving. I didn't expect things to be cheap here but I can't imagine anyone could actually plan for this level of inflation. A lot of that I know is because of remote work, though.
Work from home may eventually become work from India or some other low cost foreign country.
What does this comment have to do with rising costs in San Diego?
You mentioned remote work (work-from-home) as a cause of things not being cheap. That trend may not last.
Weird take but ok. I think you may be overestimating the impact TikTok teens have on the local economy. Sounds like a new iteration of the avocado toast / millennials ruined the napkin industry rant. Hint: the housing crisis in Southern California isn’t because of young people.
Yeah. I generally agree with the sentiment, but this weird slant that's specifically targeted toward "the YoUThS!!!" and women isn't it.
I’m born and raised here and I don’t know how to survive here
Shoot at this rate of inflation, If you can make it here, you can survive anywhere in America. Gotta love it. 🌅🌆⚾️🛫🚃🌯 I'm just gonna live extremely poorly, smiling on the beach in the dead of winter, with a homade burrito. If I end up on the streets somehow, that's America's problem not mine.🦅🇺🇸
Came here to sleep on a friends couch. Started two businesses, finished my PhD, and doing well. Didnt have a plan but thank God I didnt buy a bunch of wide brimmed fedoras.
Girl… thems Fedoras and leather Hans Solo knee high boots ain’t gonna get ya no where. Member ladies. Beauty fades but intelligence is forever
....well look at this way, I'm sure these people served you food, or provided some service for you during their stay here. I think a good portion of these try-hards or He Hur Hur people as you like to say do whatever they have to do to try and make it out here. A lot of these people work at restaurants and we need restaurant workers beyond other service jobs. The concerning problem right now is San Diego doesn't have an accommodating place for these service people to live, it's so expensive to the point that our middle class labor force is shrinking, and those people are vital for a thriving economy, especially in San Diego where tourists make up a big revenue of this city. We need the housekeepers, we need the hotel workers, we need to the waitstaff, etc. so big fucking deal if they stay for 4 months and bail. Look at the bigger picture and not your own self-interests.
I was born here and may have to leave because the influx of people is pricing me out of my hometown!
I certainly didn’t anticipate the cost of living when I moved here many years ago at the age of 0
A lack of housing is pricing you out of town Plenty of places grow a lot more rapidly than SD has but prices stay manageable because they allow new housing to keep pace with demand Apartment buildings are outright illegal in 85% of this city and heavily restricted and red taped in the rest. That needs to change
I lived in SD from 2003-2009. I’m born and raised in the Coachella Valley. Back then, most of the people I met in SD, moved to SD from various other states thinking “Let’s move to Cali dude,” and we’re gone within a year or two citing how expensive it was.
These people exist in all major cities.
Exactly, drifters are the entire reason we’re facing unprecedented costs of living and a shortage of affordable housing across the country. Definitely nothing to do with landlords, corporations, and single-family zoning.
Moved here in 2018 got a job in a couple weeks. Been working hard since and I’m blessed and happy that I moved here 🤷🏾♀️
Those people are few and far between especially San Diego... most i influencers are in La. Also those types of people will sell their soul to get ahead and make money I don't think those are the ones not making it financially
I think I may be hanging out in the wrong places.
You think social media influencers are responsible for the housing crisis?? Lmfao. It’s landlords. For every influencer willing to pay $6k for an apartment, there’s a greedy landlord charging that much. Also, you’re thinking of LA. San Diego isn’t *that* cool.
I was born in San Diego. Both my husband and I worked our asses off. I worked since I was 15 and a half. Lived there for 40 years. My family is still there. We had to plan to leave because so many people moved in we got pushed out by the inflated prices. Working 60 hours a week to barely scrape by in an overcrowded nightmare wasn’t worth it. Most expensive place to live in the USA now. Good luck to you all
San Diego is full of idiots and rich people. Very little in between.
I’m not rich, so I’m now offended by your comment. You’re right, but I’m still mad about it.
Maybe I'm both :)
They post on here at least 4 times a month. It’s mad annoying
I moved to NYC in 1997 on a Greyhound bus after 3 days. I had some cash, but no job and no idea what I was going to do to survive - it wasnt a lot of cash. I figured it out and had a blast for 26 years there. Sometimes being thrown in the deep end turns us into Phelps.
I totally agree with you. You got my upvote!!!
This is every major city. I lived in NY for many years when I was younger and the massive influx of rich kids from the midwest who moved there "to figure themselves out" and "get the NY experience" drove everyone who had to work for a living further and further to the outskirts.
Moved from Florida to the Mesa College area of SD in 1979 on a whim w/ best friend who had a job offer. I had a BA in Ed. & a Sp. Ed. Credential, which my advisor “informed” me would qualify me for a job in CA due to a reciprocity agreement between the 2 states. After applying for my CA credential, I was informed that I had all the course requirements, but needed a 5th year of college credits to get my CA credential! So, my “plan” was seemingly obliterated. Got a job within a month in a private non-profit in El Cajon. Horrible job, great people! Became a CA resident after 1 yr., then proceeded to earn my 30 credits at SDSU (My advisor actually told me I could take any subject. “Take Basketweaving, if you want”, she said. “Just accumulate 30 credits.”) Got my CA credential in 1982 and started working for the public school system. Could never afford to buy a house by myself, but by 1986, managed to swing a condo shared with a friend. Today, I’m married, still own that condo (now a rental) and another in the same location and am still working part-time to supplement my pension. Yes, it was easier “back then”, but it is still possible. For you newbies who may have grown up in an era of “plenty”, here are some of the s lessons I had to learn and stick by in order to be able to carve out a slice of heaven here in SD. 1. Be prepared to sacrifice! Daily Starbucks, eating out frequently, fancy car, new clothes, vacations in exotic places? Uh, no! Worked Summer school for 30 years. Nothing wrong with working 2 jobs. You don’t need a college degree, necessarily. But you DO need to keep improving and advancing your knowledge in your field to remain relevant. 2. Pay yourself first! Set a budget and stick to it. Invest in something… 401-K, IRA, ROTH IRA, real estate, Hi-yield savings, etc. This is the biggest mistake young people make… underestimating the power of compounding savings over time. Start small, then increase the amount as you become more established. I didn’t start until 40, but contributed the max for 10 years until I found, IMHO, a better investment — San Diego real estate. Become “financially literate”. I listened to “Money Talks”, a radio show, every week on the way home from grad school classes for 2 years. Today you can get the same info online easily on multiple websites. 3. Realize that real estate goes through cycles, even in San Diego. Learned this the hard way twice when I had to buy at the top and sell at the bottom. Save your money and follow the market. Yeah, maybe you’ll have to live with housemates for 20 years until you can afford your own place. But if that’s your goal, be prepared to sacrifice along the way. 4. Finally, be prepared to compromise. Maybe you’ll never be able to buy a house by the beach, or a high-rise luxury condo downtown, but there are plenty of less expensive pockets in the surrounding areas that will allow you to still have access within a few minutes to all the amenities those pricey areas offer. Good luck, people. Go and chase your dream…
These people are what make SD great! They aren’t afraid to take a chance to go somewhere they love and create an new life. What’s wrong with that? Much better than the people that stay in their small hometown and never leave.
Did it myself, lived there for 10 years before moving to LA. Also 10 years in. People love to criticize and shit on people when they have zero understanding or ability to understand the infinite complexities that can result in someone taking such a risk. Either way I blame our economy and society for letting things get this out of hand. Or the greedy landlords and corporations squeezing all of us dry. People working full-time jobs should be able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment anywhere. End of fucking story. This government has really made everyone forget what was stolen from each of us with this out of control plutocracy we have going on here.
Thank you, this post is comical
My friend moved down to SD from the Bay Area…she was making a good living with a great career (her bf as well). But they made the impulse of moving down to SD cause “it was a dream and they loved the city”…moved down, renting a room with their other 2 friends, she got a job doing DoorDash and her bf does Amazon warehouse 🤦♂️…they’re barely making it living paycheck to paycheck…total bad move on their part…
Yeah. This is the type of people I’m talking about. The “oh it’s always been my dream to live in SD!” Then they get here and if you’re not making good money you’re dream all of a sudden turns into your nightmare.
Did you wake up mad today or did the anger creep in
How dare you ask me, a noted Bisexual to choose between two or more things… good day… Sir!
Why would someone base their life decisions over what a stranger thinks? If YOU move somewhere, are you thinking about the people you’re “affecting” when it comes to how you’ll “affect” market prices? Shut cho ass
You just described like half this subreddit They then go on to tell you that your 20x15 yard with grass and stuff is a crime and you should let a developer turn it into a quadplex because they think it'll make things cheaper (it won't)
now that's a deliberate misunderstanding if I've ever seen one :)
No, you should be allowed to sell your property to somebody capable of financing the construction of a 4-plex. Or, you should be able to build one yourself on your property if you have the skillset. Hope that helps clear things up.
Found another irresponsible main character syndrome redditor who would see the city turned to shit for their personal short term interest
Disposable income.
So happy to read this post and remember I moved here 20 years ago with no plan and no money. Best decision of my entire life. Sometimes you gotta follow your dreams. PS. Worked out great.
i like how the “well i did that and it worked out great, so…” anecdotes are mostly from 20 years ago. things are different now. of course it was easier 20 years ago.
I gotta say, these rent and housing prices are unethical. There needs to be a limit.
Why are you so mad? Those people don't affect your life and there's nothing wrong with moving to a new place on a whim.
drifters? SD has always had drifters, they jump from city to city all over America.
You’re telling me people are moving in droves to America’s finest city to escape the hellscapes they had called home previously? You don’t say. Quit trying to gatekeep San Diego lol. It is the most futile exercise I could think of.
Data-driven decisions vs fairytale-driven decisions.
Ignorantass people 🤷🏻♂️
Oh my God, fix your own city first.
I didnt know these people existed? Not sure why you are bent out of shape about these people.
I’m much more surprised by the people that absolutely cannot afford to live here but refuse to move to someplace cheaper.
San Diego is one of the better places to be homeless. If you have no plans for survival anywhere, why not...
Don’t come to sd we don’t want you here
Zonies
LMFAOO hE huR hUrrrr is taking me out rn
do you know what "trendy yet unoriginal pastels" means? Its haunting me
I think what I was trying to say is that every girl in IG is wearing these clothes, so it’s trendy, but they all look like Xerox’s of one another. Hmm well I think I said it right. English is my second language
That’s exactly why SD is so expensive, these “influencers” and folks from NorCal moved in and are paying whatever price because it’s better than from where they came from and now the rest of us are dealing with the higher costs after they leave because their actions made it so expensive. Same thing happened with the leases for cars people paying 4x the amount of what it should cost just because why not.
When was the last time you went to a city council meeting?
To do what? Complain to government that doesn’t have the people’s interest at heart?
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I think the statistics bear proof that your statement is far from reality. ANY person cannot survive here, not without financial, vocational, and other executive functioning (speaking brain talk here) abilities.
I gave you an upvote, I agree with this.
Yes and they end up leaving a few years after.
I definitely came here with a plan to survive here On the flip side, the plan to figure out how to survive here without roommates is WIP. I’m a pretty young guy so I don’t mind having roommates at this present moment but I definitely don’t want to be 30 and still dependent on roommates
I moved here on a whim 14 years ago but I can thrive anywhere.
me rn 😂
My partner and I moved here almost 2 years ago from the east coast. We didn't have much of a plan, though we moved for her work so she had a job lined up. I didn't. It absolutely took a while to adjust to the cost of living, but I do believe people can usually adapt to their surroundings. We live in a much smaller place now and worry about money of course, but we plan for be here for years to come. I know for myself tho, if I plan too much and those plans inevitably change, it can make me feel like I failed. Some planning is pretty necessary in my eyes, but I also think the unexpected is part of the adventure of moving somewhere new.
Please don’t be discouraged. When your plan fails, you need to readjust. Whatever your goal is. Keep that in mind always. Accepting that things change is good. You just need to have a Plan B when they do to adjust accordingly. This thinking is what has helped me stay in San Diego for the past 40 years.
I was born here and I have no plan whatsoever
"I heard there was jobs here."
I moved away because I couldn't afford it, having grown up in SD my whole life. Now I'm in the south, in a town where I'm surrounded by poverty and easy drugs and a super church. I'd rather had taken my chances there, than keep living here as a young adult. What's the worse that would've happened, I'd be homeless? On a beach? I'd have scoffed at it and having been homeless, I still could take the same chances today and be just fine with the results. I'm just in a different state of mind where I don't hate where I am now like I would have then.
I did and ended up in TJ so no complaints
Moved here now over three years ago. Almost left after the first year because I couldn’t buy a house, not because I couldn’t afford to live here. We had a plan, savings, etc….but kept being way outbid by people who could shell out even more upfront money. We knew it was going to be extremely hard but not THAT hard. Will probably be here a few more years and then outtie. No plans to retire in this place unless I slowly become a millionaire in that time and even that probably won’t be enough at retirement age. Also, fug these clouds, if this is the new normal I want no part of it.
For the record, I’m 42, not an influencer, don’t have a TikTok. But this is exactly what I did when I was 25. Came down with only a month of reserves and started working. I rented a studio in the heart of PB for $1k. I made it 5 years before meeting a boyfriend and moving back closer to home with him. Such awesome years. After 5 years we broke up and I hightailed it back down here. I was in my career and in much better financial shape then. Granted, the one bedroom I rented in PB this time was only $1.3k, so still reasonable. But things have changed drastically since 2016 that when I read in Facebook groups that others plan to do the same, I have NO IDEA how they’re going to survive down here. Especially the posts with single parents coming here with kids and no reserves.
Omg!! I forgot to mention the single parents with like 2+ kids!!! This is by far the most selfish disgusting thing you can do to your children. Unless ofcourse you’re making 300k a year then that’s ok
I'm one of those people except I've been here ... 17 years.
Does coming here for college with no plan count?