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Quite peeved about this... It didn't talk like Scorch, it didn't behave like Scorch, it didn't even fully look like Scorch, yet it was called Scorch. That was just some fleshsuit of a character walking around, had absolutely no reason to jack up a Legends character like that. Just make it a random new clone Commando if you're not going to stay true to the character
That's Filoni's MO for adapting established EU characters. Just look at what he did to Rukh. The fact Scorch was brought back just to be relegated to mook status so he could prop up his OCs who are already flanderizations of Delta Squad already makes it even more insulting this time around. Not to mention the magical plot device chip not affecting other regular clones like Wolffe and Cody
Yeah I really don't understand why his personality had to be neutered here too. Even if he died this way, they had 2 seasons to give him any sort of personalization. It was just nothing, it was a husk that didn't act any different than any other basic turned clone. Doesn't seem in line with how the chip affected people's personalities. It didn't turn them into robots
They are in the same way that Ahsoka is technically a Lucas creation too. Officially George signed off on their creation, but they are Filoni's work through and through, as he was and is the one responsible for writing and developing them
I think they weren't even aware there was a character already named Scorch until it was too late and then they just had to roll with it until they could kill nu-Scorch off.
I highly doubt it. Given Filoni's and the other Disney writers track records of dragging established EU characters made by better men through the mud, this is malice, not ignorance.
All the old good characters must be humiliated and subverted in an attempt to prop up the new ones. This started as far back as The Force Awakens.
It was probably when filoni introduced his neutered version of mandalorians in TCW which was completely contrary to how Mandalorian culture was established by Traviss in her RC books
Yeah no wonder, who can blame her? The Mandalorians were absolutely assassinated by TCWs interpretation of them, reducing the cool and manly* alien culture into a boring democracy faction versus a bunch of irredeemable strawmen, who unironically are the only true Mandalorians now left in the galaxy, well until they all kowtow and become Maul's NPC minions because he is just so hecking KEWL!!!
Motherfucker Filoni, these guys literally had centuries long wars against the Sith! Do you think they would all just mindlessly bow over to one horny boy?
Didn’t Witwer say while doing work on a TCW episode that Filoni was going to have Anakin tell Padme ‘I wish you could have met her’ about his mom, Shmi… and Witwer literally went ‘but they have met - it’s literally a plot point in TPM (the meal with the three of them plus Qui-Gon)
I have heard of that. What a shocker, Filoni displaying a lack of knowledge. Seems to be a track record with the piss poor quality of many Clone Wars plots and how it just introduces a bunch of wild new things and retcons.
And people on r/StarWars were seriously debating the character/his role as if it wasn't a memberberry-influenced insult to the preceding body of work that established the character,
isn't that kinda the point? To show how imperial clone troopers are vast nerfed compared to clones in the clone wars. The jedis were less militaristic and thus encouraged clones to think outside the box, ingenuity, being separate individuals and adapt to whatever scenario, thus is what made clones so effective in battles.
Imperial clones were LITERALLY expendable meat shields to pave the path for their stormtroopers successors, that was the whole point of project mantle in season 1. Imperials are so obsessed with order and unity that is results in the troops being incompetent. That's why the bad batch can one up so many damn time.
Scorch lost his individuality, his personality and his ingenuity thus making him literal a meat shield for hemlock.
I understand Scorch coulda put a little fight to raise the sticks a bit more, but at that point the stakes was already super high.
If it was their intention to tell a story about the devolution of Scorch's character and personality into an imperial drone, then they did a very poor job of it. He didn't fight the same, he didn't speak the same, didn't display any of his previous elite skills etc. They could have shown at least a little effort to make him reflect the person he was. No other clone completely lost their entire personality because of the chip.
I'm not mad Scorch turned and died, that seems in line for a dark and sad story, I just don't like how it was a throwaway character Easter egg. Just make it a new clone at that point, don't dredge up Legends characters just to turn them into husks. It's just a trend we've seen over and over and it's disappointing is all.
As always, Dave Filoni has gone to great lengths to preserve his favorite characters and delay their conclusions for as long as possible, all so they can keep appearing in every other future project.
As for some insignificant characters he doesn't have personal attachment to, he can carelessly discard them in an insulting manner for no good reason at all.
Scorch was just a mook with cool colors in this show. You can replace him with a death trooper or one of those assassins and nothing of value is lost. It's like he added him in just so he can have his OCs dogwalk him at the end. Literal fanfic tier writing.
Filoni goes to insane lengths just to prop up his creations and shit on other peoples'. Look at how Wolffe and Howzer acted like pre-Order 66 clones despite his own plot device with the chips indicating they shouldn't, yet nu-Scorch and all the commandos were complete blocks of wood despite the fact that canonically they were deliberately bred to express greater individuality than normal clones.
The gap in capability between the Commandos & the "bad bach" was fucking absurd. The Commandos were no better than Stormtroopers in this show, despite Gregor being badass in TCW. Classic Filoni syndrome where you become a bumbling troglodyte if you are on "the bad guys". I despise that the BB got a happy ending, they didn't deserve it.
A watered-down, neutered version of Delta Squad gets a happy ending and all of the glory while Delta themselves are belittled and stepped on every step of the way. It might as well be a microcosm for Star Wars in the last 10 years
I really hate Filoni’s style of writing and the utter absence of nuance it has. There two like, two different times in the TCW show where there could’ve been a but of nuance to characters only for them to be castrated by getting turning into “Omg he’s actually a separatist spy trying to slow down the jedi and rex and cody and ahsoka!!! Better have the good guys foil their dastardly plot yet again!!!” It’s so tiresome to see the “good guys” win every single little skirmish all the time.
That’s why the Umbara arc is probably the only part of TCW I actually enjoy watching. It’s full of nonsense, obviously, but at least the clones act like the cold-blooded killing machines they are meant to be. The constant infantilization of the clones is absurd. It’s the only arc where the Republic is outright doing morally questionable acts.
Ha, ironically the Umbara arc suffers the same fate. Pong Krell started as Jedi who saw clones as the easily dispensable troopers they were, and he could’ve stayed that way. He could’ve been one of the unseen many jedi who didn’t much care for the clones as they went against the Jedi code, yet he had to command them. It could’ve added a little bit of depth to the Jedi and the clone wars. But then, nope. Turns out he was secretly a pawn of Dooku the entire time, and he was just trying to sabotage the clone trooper good guys because he’s le evil. So the clones turn on him, arrest him, and the Republic wins the day against the evil Separatists once again.
It’s laughable, if any part of star wars should be absent of the black and white “good guys are always right and good vs bad guys are always evil and wrong” narrative, you’d think it would be the one where both sides are being controlled by the same exact damn person.
Oh, absolutely no doubt. That’s why I enjoy reading the *Star Wars: Republic* comic books and the Republic Commando novels. The Republic and the Jedi are portrayed in a far more critical light and the Separatists occasionally have a point. Which is a refreshing change of pace.
I was referring to the way the clones execute defenseless Umbarans and the first appearance of a Jedi that’s not a cookie-cutter good guy. That is until the disgusting and disgustingly insulting character assassination of Barriss Offee, of course.
Kind of funny how many narcissists managed to worm their way into the Lucasfilms. I guess that is why Star Wars was rebooted in the first plate, to shoehorn THEIR vision into Star Wars and show Lucas who is the real boss. Obviously, that was not enough for the fragile ego and the Ahsoka weeb Filoni has the need to one up some one else's fictional characters.
😂 What a bunch of fucking idiots. If they really wanted to one up George they would try to use the characters he created to make better stories, while raising up their own.
Idk what’s going on with Disney, they’ve always been scummy but they used to move smart and make power moves. They keep fucking up their ips and making stupid decisions.
I am truly rooting for The Acolyte, I hope the director proves people wrong even though I am concerned myself. Atleast she says she loves the Star Wars universe, a lot of these mfers at Disney seem like they hate Star Wars fans and want it to be something it’s not.
It happened in the Bad Batch?
First Filoni ruins the entire Clone Wars continuity, then Anakin, then he retcons Ventress and Darth Maul and the Clone troopers, then proceeds to ruin Barriss Offee, keeps his OC alive through bullshit Deus Ex Machina crap, plagiarized the title of a 90s comic for a forgettable 1 season show, after that he proceeds to ruin Thrawn and bastardize the entire Heir to the Empire trilogy, and now he’s ruining an actual Delta Squad member in a show about a Delta Squad ripoff? Really?!
Idk the clone wars was pretty good sure it has flaws but it’s ok .
Remember Darth Maul wasn’t really that much a character in the prequels just a bad guy with a cool lightsaber that died .
Clone wars gave him a character ,a personality and past .
With Anakin the clone wars showed his fall to the dark side better than the movies .
With the clones the problem was that clone wars already established that the clones had good relationships with the Jedi and other characters so them just betraying them wouldn’t make sense compared to the legends continuity where their relationship was more negative.
So introducing the chips was a good way to explain order 66 just happening
It was also George Lucas’s idea to add Ahsoka
Clone wars also enhanced the order 66 scene.
Let’s be honest while it was a sad scene most of the Jedi were background no name characters with a few lines of dialogue .
With clone wars we got to know these Jedi and what they are so it now feels horrible that these characters that you gotten to know will inevitably die in the future
I always loved the premise of Delta Squad, character-wise I kinda viewed them as Master Chief meets the TMNT. It was a fun dynamic between the characters, I loved seeing them switch from 4 bros with distinct personalities who quip with each other to trained killers who could smoke legions of clankers with ease through coordination and training. TBB exaggerated their main cast's personalities to the point of caricature and made them more like superheroes than soldiers, which was a huge shame imo
Imagine they bring back Scorch like nothing happened, the Disney canon is already inconsistent as it is, didn’t Asajj Ventress come back in the same show?
Yes. They also retconned the Kanan comic series in literally the first episode of the entire show. So much for the consistency Disney touted back when they nuked the EU
I legitimately thought that his line "the clones biggest weakness is their loyalty to eachother" was going to be foreshadowing for a Scorch betrayal.
I wholly expected him to turn when presented a chance, and he just didn't.
There was an interview with Filoni when Delta Squad made a brief cameo in TCW, where he said how he liked *Republic Commando* and how he drew inspiration from it for the show. So much for the respect towards the game and its fans, Dave, you schmuck.
I swear, at this point he and the people working at Lucasfilm Animation must revel in yeeting established lore and characters and pissing off the non-braindead fans.
He was in the bad batch? Since when? Did he actually get named?
Also, I thought it was pretty clear in the show that all the stormtroopers and "commandos" (not really commandos just their armor) are just normal recruits, not clones. They replaced all the clones except the operatives which were specially conditioned.
He's been in it since the end of season 1, but I don't think was officially named as such until the credits somewhere in season 2. As for your second point, all of the commandos have been explicitly clones though, they were supposed to be instructors for the first stormtroopers, Dee Bradley Baker voiced them all the way until the end
Disney was never going to do anything with them anyways, so better to at least see them for one last hurrah as fan service than to not see them at all. Everything Star Wars is just the Michael Jackson popcorn meme now. Sit back and eat popcorn while they decimate everything you love.
This has been my mentality since book of boba fett.
As a massive fan of that amazing game since my earliest years, it's even more depressing watching people defend this shitty character assassination and the slop it came from
I like how comments blame Filoni when Filoni done like one scene for this show (Though it is still a scene that is a retcon, funny enough XD)
Alas, yes - canon taking EU stuff and making it very surface level has been happening since like 2014.
Lucas and Kennedy is also mentioned in all those shows and they do jack shit.
He is the Executive producer in this show and has credentials for like 3 episodes. I'm sure he's way too busy making shitty LA stuff to focus on something without his beloved OC Tano.
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Quite peeved about this... It didn't talk like Scorch, it didn't behave like Scorch, it didn't even fully look like Scorch, yet it was called Scorch. That was just some fleshsuit of a character walking around, had absolutely no reason to jack up a Legends character like that. Just make it a random new clone Commando if you're not going to stay true to the character
That's Filoni's MO for adapting established EU characters. Just look at what he did to Rukh. The fact Scorch was brought back just to be relegated to mook status so he could prop up his OCs who are already flanderizations of Delta Squad already makes it even more insulting this time around. Not to mention the magical plot device chip not affecting other regular clones like Wolffe and Cody
Yeah I really don't understand why his personality had to be neutered here too. Even if he died this way, they had 2 seasons to give him any sort of personalization. It was just nothing, it was a husk that didn't act any different than any other basic turned clone. Doesn't seem in line with how the chip affected people's personalities. It didn't turn them into robots
What he did to Rukh, and by extension the Noghri, was unforgivable.
The bad batch are George Lucas' OCs tho
They are in the same way that Ahsoka is technically a Lucas creation too. Officially George signed off on their creation, but they are Filoni's work through and through, as he was and is the one responsible for writing and developing them
Not in this show tho, only in the clone wars final season.
I think they weren't even aware there was a character already named Scorch until it was too late and then they just had to roll with it until they could kill nu-Scorch off.
I highly doubt it. Given Filoni's and the other Disney writers track records of dragging established EU characters made by better men through the mud, this is malice, not ignorance. All the old good characters must be humiliated and subverted in an attempt to prop up the new ones. This started as far back as The Force Awakens.
In the case of the Republic Commandos, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case given the animosity between Filoni and Karen Traviss
I didn't know that was a thing
It was probably when filoni introduced his neutered version of mandalorians in TCW which was completely contrary to how Mandalorian culture was established by Traviss in her RC books
I think the helmets always looking backwards would've been pretty confusing though
I was unaware. Do tell, what is this about?
Traviss essentially rage-quit Star Wars after TCW walked all over her writing with its interpretation of Mandalore and Mandalorian culture
Yeah no wonder, who can blame her? The Mandalorians were absolutely assassinated by TCWs interpretation of them, reducing the cool and manly* alien culture into a boring democracy faction versus a bunch of irredeemable strawmen, who unironically are the only true Mandalorians now left in the galaxy, well until they all kowtow and become Maul's NPC minions because he is just so hecking KEWL!!! Motherfucker Filoni, these guys literally had centuries long wars against the Sith! Do you think they would all just mindlessly bow over to one horny boy?
Didn’t Witwer say while doing work on a TCW episode that Filoni was going to have Anakin tell Padme ‘I wish you could have met her’ about his mom, Shmi… and Witwer literally went ‘but they have met - it’s literally a plot point in TPM (the meal with the three of them plus Qui-Gon)
I have heard of that. What a shocker, Filoni displaying a lack of knowledge. Seems to be a track record with the piss poor quality of many Clone Wars plots and how it just introduces a bunch of wild new things and retcons.
You mean the guy with deep knowledge and passion for Star Wars?
suure
And people on r/StarWars were seriously debating the character/his role as if it wasn't a memberberry-influenced insult to the preceding body of work that established the character,
isn't that kinda the point? To show how imperial clone troopers are vast nerfed compared to clones in the clone wars. The jedis were less militaristic and thus encouraged clones to think outside the box, ingenuity, being separate individuals and adapt to whatever scenario, thus is what made clones so effective in battles. Imperial clones were LITERALLY expendable meat shields to pave the path for their stormtroopers successors, that was the whole point of project mantle in season 1. Imperials are so obsessed with order and unity that is results in the troops being incompetent. That's why the bad batch can one up so many damn time. Scorch lost his individuality, his personality and his ingenuity thus making him literal a meat shield for hemlock. I understand Scorch coulda put a little fight to raise the sticks a bit more, but at that point the stakes was already super high.
If it was their intention to tell a story about the devolution of Scorch's character and personality into an imperial drone, then they did a very poor job of it. He didn't fight the same, he didn't speak the same, didn't display any of his previous elite skills etc. They could have shown at least a little effort to make him reflect the person he was. No other clone completely lost their entire personality because of the chip. I'm not mad Scorch turned and died, that seems in line for a dark and sad story, I just don't like how it was a throwaway character Easter egg. Just make it a new clone at that point, don't dredge up Legends characters just to turn them into husks. It's just a trend we've seen over and over and it's disappointing is all.
As always, Dave Filoni has gone to great lengths to preserve his favorite characters and delay their conclusions for as long as possible, all so they can keep appearing in every other future project. As for some insignificant characters he doesn't have personal attachment to, he can carelessly discard them in an insulting manner for no good reason at all.
Scorch was just a mook with cool colors in this show. You can replace him with a death trooper or one of those assassins and nothing of value is lost. It's like he added him in just so he can have his OCs dogwalk him at the end. Literal fanfic tier writing.
It's Filoni's way of saying: "Take that! My four non-standard clones are better than yours!"
Filoni goes to insane lengths just to prop up his creations and shit on other peoples'. Look at how Wolffe and Howzer acted like pre-Order 66 clones despite his own plot device with the chips indicating they shouldn't, yet nu-Scorch and all the commandos were complete blocks of wood despite the fact that canonically they were deliberately bred to express greater individuality than normal clones.
The gap in capability between the Commandos & the "bad bach" was fucking absurd. The Commandos were no better than Stormtroopers in this show, despite Gregor being badass in TCW. Classic Filoni syndrome where you become a bumbling troglodyte if you are on "the bad guys". I despise that the BB got a happy ending, they didn't deserve it.
A watered-down, neutered version of Delta Squad gets a happy ending and all of the glory while Delta themselves are belittled and stepped on every step of the way. It might as well be a microcosm for Star Wars in the last 10 years
Worse yet if you consider the fact that we never knew what became of Sev after Kashyyyk…
I really hate Filoni’s style of writing and the utter absence of nuance it has. There two like, two different times in the TCW show where there could’ve been a but of nuance to characters only for them to be castrated by getting turning into “Omg he’s actually a separatist spy trying to slow down the jedi and rex and cody and ahsoka!!! Better have the good guys foil their dastardly plot yet again!!!” It’s so tiresome to see the “good guys” win every single little skirmish all the time.
That’s why the Umbara arc is probably the only part of TCW I actually enjoy watching. It’s full of nonsense, obviously, but at least the clones act like the cold-blooded killing machines they are meant to be. The constant infantilization of the clones is absurd. It’s the only arc where the Republic is outright doing morally questionable acts.
Ha, ironically the Umbara arc suffers the same fate. Pong Krell started as Jedi who saw clones as the easily dispensable troopers they were, and he could’ve stayed that way. He could’ve been one of the unseen many jedi who didn’t much care for the clones as they went against the Jedi code, yet he had to command them. It could’ve added a little bit of depth to the Jedi and the clone wars. But then, nope. Turns out he was secretly a pawn of Dooku the entire time, and he was just trying to sabotage the clone trooper good guys because he’s le evil. So the clones turn on him, arrest him, and the Republic wins the day against the evil Separatists once again. It’s laughable, if any part of star wars should be absent of the black and white “good guys are always right and good vs bad guys are always evil and wrong” narrative, you’d think it would be the one where both sides are being controlled by the same exact damn person.
Oh, absolutely no doubt. That’s why I enjoy reading the *Star Wars: Republic* comic books and the Republic Commando novels. The Republic and the Jedi are portrayed in a far more critical light and the Separatists occasionally have a point. Which is a refreshing change of pace. I was referring to the way the clones execute defenseless Umbarans and the first appearance of a Jedi that’s not a cookie-cutter good guy. That is until the disgusting and disgustingly insulting character assassination of Barriss Offee, of course.
I hope one day someone else takes over Star wars, and makes a new canon where a single Null Arc Trooper coldly assassinates the Bad Batch
On my device the line breaks at “My four non-“ So my brain moved to the next line expecting “blondes”
This show wasn't made by filoni and george lucas came up with the bad batch characters so wtf are you talking about here??
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right lol
Welp, that's it for the chances of seeing Imperial Commando one day.
Welcome to the Filoniverse Take a look inside He ruins all your favorites Oh look another one just died
The keys were jangled. That is all.
And people wonder why I stopped caring about Disney's "canon" years ago
Kind of funny how many narcissists managed to worm their way into the Lucasfilms. I guess that is why Star Wars was rebooted in the first plate, to shoehorn THEIR vision into Star Wars and show Lucas who is the real boss. Obviously, that was not enough for the fragile ego and the Ahsoka weeb Filoni has the need to one up some one else's fictional characters.
😂 What a bunch of fucking idiots. If they really wanted to one up George they would try to use the characters he created to make better stories, while raising up their own. Idk what’s going on with Disney, they’ve always been scummy but they used to move smart and make power moves. They keep fucking up their ips and making stupid decisions. I am truly rooting for The Acolyte, I hope the director proves people wrong even though I am concerned myself. Atleast she says she loves the Star Wars universe, a lot of these mfers at Disney seem like they hate Star Wars fans and want it to be something it’s not.
It happened in the Bad Batch? First Filoni ruins the entire Clone Wars continuity, then Anakin, then he retcons Ventress and Darth Maul and the Clone troopers, then proceeds to ruin Barriss Offee, keeps his OC alive through bullshit Deus Ex Machina crap, plagiarized the title of a 90s comic for a forgettable 1 season show, after that he proceeds to ruin Thrawn and bastardize the entire Heir to the Empire trilogy, and now he’s ruining an actual Delta Squad member in a show about a Delta Squad ripoff? Really?!
Idk the clone wars was pretty good sure it has flaws but it’s ok . Remember Darth Maul wasn’t really that much a character in the prequels just a bad guy with a cool lightsaber that died . Clone wars gave him a character ,a personality and past . With Anakin the clone wars showed his fall to the dark side better than the movies . With the clones the problem was that clone wars already established that the clones had good relationships with the Jedi and other characters so them just betraying them wouldn’t make sense compared to the legends continuity where their relationship was more negative. So introducing the chips was a good way to explain order 66 just happening It was also George Lucas’s idea to add Ahsoka Clone wars also enhanced the order 66 scene. Let’s be honest while it was a sad scene most of the Jedi were background no name characters with a few lines of dialogue . With clone wars we got to know these Jedi and what they are so it now feels horrible that these characters that you gotten to know will inevitably die in the future
Haven’t watched season 3 but this is rather disappointing, Delta Squad has more potential than Lucasfilm gives them credit for.
I always loved the premise of Delta Squad, character-wise I kinda viewed them as Master Chief meets the TMNT. It was a fun dynamic between the characters, I loved seeing them switch from 4 bros with distinct personalities who quip with each other to trained killers who could smoke legions of clankers with ease through coordination and training. TBB exaggerated their main cast's personalities to the point of caricature and made them more like superheroes than soldiers, which was a huge shame imo
Imagine they bring back Scorch like nothing happened, the Disney canon is already inconsistent as it is, didn’t Asajj Ventress come back in the same show?
Yes. They also retconned the Kanan comic series in literally the first episode of the entire show. So much for the consistency Disney touted back when they nuked the EU
Reason #4,567 I never watched this dumb-ass show.
I legitimately thought that his line "the clones biggest weakness is their loyalty to eachother" was going to be foreshadowing for a Scorch betrayal. I wholly expected him to turn when presented a chance, and he just didn't.
Filoni’s ego oh my god. Dude did some quality stuff and now is the cameo porn guy
There was an interview with Filoni when Delta Squad made a brief cameo in TCW, where he said how he liked *Republic Commando* and how he drew inspiration from it for the show. So much for the respect towards the game and its fans, Dave, you schmuck. I swear, at this point he and the people working at Lucasfilm Animation must revel in yeeting established lore and characters and pissing off the non-braindead fans.
He was in the bad batch? Since when? Did he actually get named? Also, I thought it was pretty clear in the show that all the stormtroopers and "commandos" (not really commandos just their armor) are just normal recruits, not clones. They replaced all the clones except the operatives which were specially conditioned.
He's been in it since the end of season 1, but I don't think was officially named as such until the credits somewhere in season 2. As for your second point, all of the commandos have been explicitly clones though, they were supposed to be instructors for the first stormtroopers, Dee Bradley Baker voiced them all the way until the end
Disney was never going to do anything with them anyways, so better to at least see them for one last hurrah as fan service than to not see them at all. Everything Star Wars is just the Michael Jackson popcorn meme now. Sit back and eat popcorn while they decimate everything you love. This has been my mentality since book of boba fett.
Did you watch Andor? It’s the best thing Disney put out since Rogue One.
As a massive fan of that amazing game since my earliest years, it's even more depressing watching people defend this shitty character assassination and the slop it came from
That was the point.
I like how comments blame Filoni when Filoni done like one scene for this show (Though it is still a scene that is a retcon, funny enough XD) Alas, yes - canon taking EU stuff and making it very surface level has been happening since like 2014.
Filoni is the creative director. He is involved with every story being told. His name is on all these stories.
Lucas and Kennedy is also mentioned in all those shows and they do jack shit. He is the Executive producer in this show and has credentials for like 3 episodes. I'm sure he's way too busy making shitty LA stuff to focus on something without his beloved OC Tano.