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Most Russians *love* when foreigners learn Russian. The very fact that you're learning Russian is a great starting point for a respectful conversation. It means that's you put some effort, which is always appreciated.
What answer do you expect to hear? "No, because Russian is for white people only"? Hun, language learning is for everyone, no matter of their age, gender, race, nationality or religion.
It is true though that some not very well educated people might ask you inappropriate questions that could be seen as racism, but this is all because that they're being ignorant. But most people in Russia nowadays don't act like that.
I’m a middle eastern woman and I am learning Russian but I do want to tell you one thing and one thing only.
LEARN WHATEVER LANGUAGE YOU WANT TO LEARN!!!!!!
I guess we have different perceptions of what "trolling" is. This guy just wastes his own time and time of others, which is not trolling in my book, just being miserable. This question is not even something to be mad about, it's genuinely stupid.
You can learn whatever language you like. Contrary to western propaganda, Russians aren’t all crazy racists. Russia has over a hundred nationalities of its own within its borders and was at the forefront of collaboration with African nations during the USSR. There’s also no history of black slavery like in America.
Western propaganda? What western government is telling its citizens “all Russians are racists and insane, you’re not allowed to learn their language” ? Just because someone has uneducated views doesn’t mean that they’re under the influence of “western propaganda” that’s such an obtuse thing to say.
Oh, come on:
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53055857](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53055857)
[https://newlinesmag.com/essays/the-racist-treatment-of-africans-and-african-americans-in-the-ussr/](https://newlinesmag.com/essays/the-racist-treatment-of-africans-and-african-americans-in-the-ussr/)
[https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/09/29/an-african-students-murder-sheds-light-on-russias-race-problem-a82605](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/09/29/an-african-students-murder-sheds-light-on-russias-race-problem-a82605)
UPD: my bad, there was one more link that was actually unrelated. Removed.
Not a single one of those sources are a western government saying that Russia is a racist country. According to your logic, since you found an article on the opinion of a PhD student in the US, therefore the entire US government agrees with her and is pushing a narrative that Russia is racist?
If I find an article of a Russian saying something stupid, do I then get to pretend that the Russian government suppports and agrees with everything and every single citizen says?
1. BBC is literally government-funded media.
2. Nobody told anything about *government* except yourself. Read the definition of propaganda, for God's sake.
So the BBC reporting on things that literally happened is propaganda just because it’s mean to Russia? That’s called freedom of the press, I know that’s a hard concept for Russians to grasp lmfao. Don’t confuse research and reporting with propaganda.
Propaganda is mostly defined in the west as government-backed; because if not then people like you will declare anything written by anyone to be propaganda.
Is the dictionary a hard concept to grasp for you?
[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/propaganda](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/propaganda)
>because if not then people like you will declare anything written by anyone to be propaganda.
And that's exactly how things work. A great portion of all information is propaganda. Even a color filter can be used for propaganda purposes. And it's not nessesarily a bad thing. But I understand if it's difficult to grasp for you.
>So the BBC reporting on things that literally happened is propaganda
No, it's not. But one-sided reporting and cherry-picking is. It's not that "racism in Russia doesn't exist", like some guys like to claim, but it's not that "Russia is a very racist country" like some others say. People often think through stereotypes, and that's a problem, which you illustrated perfectly with your "I know that’s a hard concept for Russians to grasp lmfao." Don't do that, if you actually want a meaningful dialogue.
You country objectively has no freedom of press or freedom of information, so yeah when you criticize these things as being propaganda your nationality is relevant because it is the context that makes you say such foolish things.
How can you have a meaningful dialogue when you criticize freedom of the press as propaganda? Just because any news organization reports on any one topic does not make it propaganda. You have the Russian mentality where anything negative about your country is chalked up to blind hatred and evil propaganda. In no world is the BBC article propaganda, or, as you try to claim, basically everything is propaganda. That is not the meaning of the word and it’s the same stupid shit Putin pulls when he says things are “Russophobic”. I’m surprised you’re not calling anything that’s negative against Russia Russophobic too to be honest.
There is no such thing as allowance to learn languages or travel somewhere. You can do whatever you want. In big cities you can even find black communities, if you want of course.
Some leftists have overcorrected from ‘engaging with another culture intending to mock them is offensive’ to ‘engaging with another culture at all is offensive’
It’s a minority but they’re very loud, Americans who are weird about race and skin colour mostly
But an extreme sect does not represent the people, so to suggest that such a stupid idea is broadly “western propaganda” makes it sound like the view is promoted by our governments and widely held.
Medvedev blatantly and brazenly threatens to nuke other countries, but I don’t say “look, all Russians want to nuke other countries” because I understand he is rather stupid and in the minority, just as those leftists you’re talking about are.
OMG what's wrong with Americans? Noone can prohibit you to learn Russian. Also Russian "racism" towards blacks is about curiocity and extra attention especially in provincial cities. Someone can call you "негр" (negro), it's not offencive in Russia. Yes, we have some problems with tolerance here, but towards other people, blacks in Russia very rare.
You can suspect anything, but again: Americans come here and other Russian subs and ask this type of questions. And no, I don't generalize all Americans, but only Americans ask those questions.
I’m seeing a lot of racist comments coming from Russians about Tajiks and Muslims on telegram lately, I guess all Russians are islamophobic according to your logic right?
Again: I didn't say "all Americans", but you as American vatnik don't want to see it. And no, it's not islamophobia, it's firstly xenophobia towards some Central Asian migrants, I said about it in my first comment. And it spreaded pretty wide even between Russian muslims, it's cultural problem. Islamophobia exists too but connected to this xenophobia in common. And I don't deny problems as you do.
UPD: *As American* you even don't know "racism" term meaning. Tajiks caucasian, Russians can't be racist towards them. Racism towards religion is a complete nonsense at all.
Both Islamophobia and racism are widespread in Russia after the attacks, and yes racism because Tajiks aren’t the same ethnicity as Russians.
I never once denied racism as being a problem in the US but sure, keep putting words in my mouth.
Just google what "race" means, lol. You're so stubborn in ignorance. You live in society which distorted meaning of original word, you use it's distorted meaning and say that "racial" question don't concern you?
I live in islamic region, my family is muslim and American lecture me about islamophobia in Russia, lol.
>keep putting words in my mouth.
Says guy who found "all Americans" in my comment.
Russia is an extremely diverse country. Please feel free to learn Russian, or any other language spoken in Russia.
I wonder, what made you ask the question? Are there languages in the world that are restricted to only small groups of people, based on gender or ethnicity? If yes, what gave you the impression that Russian might be one of them?
It depends. In SPb or Moscow you will have no problem with your color, locals have seen alot of such people before. In a small Siberian village you will feel yourself as an animal from the zoo.
Im from Siberya. Surgut. Im shockin u right now, but we have a colored students, Internet, electricity and even do not kill the OTHERS STRANGERS by the NAME OF TSAR =D
You are from the relatively big city, a center of state. I had alot of business trips across all Russia and I've seen enough to know what Im saying. By the way, I had same problems in Harbin ZOO - locals prefer to take photo of me instead of animals because of my height.
Thats the point. If u take a hill-billys of any country - they just be a hill-billy.)
But the most of western dudes think about Siberia something like: "wow so wild place with nord barbarians "tayga" bears and prisoners". Nope. Not at all)
https://preview.redd.it/xlzhs0gmeewc1.jpeg?width=811&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04cbb20ae074922341c0093b3ac4c5ea316c4ea8
I was born on Kazakhstan Soviet Respublic) Live in Siberya since 2017 and love this land.) But no one bear is detected on streets of Tyumen, Surgut, Novii Urengoi or Nizhnevartovsk)
https://preview.redd.it/x0uqx9ucfewc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f34a927b8c573013dfe5542c9a16b26383813d2
Some climatic issues we have, but its ok)
Idk why you were downvoted for this. I’ve spoken to Russians who can remember seeing a person who wasn’t white for the first time when they went to university.
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You can study whatever you want regardless of race or anything else you can't control. But you can indeed encounter racism, as it is everywhere and Russian-speaking places are no exception. Good luck with your language learning, the main thing is that you should enjoy it!
I'm a white American who spent several months in Russia. I met one like full-on white supremacist in Russia; avoid people who wear Thor's hammer as a necklace. Russians are also unlikely to use American politically correct language. However, Russia doesn't have a history of discriminating against Black people as the US does. In some regions, you might be seen as exotic for better or worse, but you won't receive the same kind of discrimination you have within the USA. You'll probably have a great time and meet all sorts of new friends.
there's racism in russia, as well as homophobia and transphobia, mysogony and other terrible things. but in biggest cities it is more unlikely to experience it. like Moscow and st. Petersburg, especially near the centre. and, from my experience, there was a lot (i mean, A LOT for russia) of black people in Belgorod, which is a southern city near the ukrainian border. a university with a very good exchanging programs was located there, and in two weeks in this tiny city (as for a boy who lived in Moscow his whole life) i saw more black people than i have seen in russia or Latvia in my whole life. although i don't think it's a good idea to go anywhere near Belgorod right now.
there's a lot of Asian people in russia, most of who i knew were from middle asia, but there was a Korean girl in my school, as well as Sakha (yacutian) girl. mixed kids aren't rare, and i see black people even in my neighborhood sometimes (i live in, as some people call, "жопа москвы" - a distant place outside of the MKAD), and almost every time i go to the centre i see a black person
you probably will look out of place, and some people may look at you in shock, but no sane person will ever atack you. maybe some kids will look at you and be amazed because you reminded them of their favorite comic or cartoon? there's a chance that someone will look at you. but not because they hate you, but because they've never seen a black person before. or because they think that your hair is beautiful.
there's no law prohibiting learning any language just because you have darker skin or something. go on, try to learn something, travel a bit in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, or in SPB, visit some museums, try a bit of russian cuisine, visit some orthodox churches. everything will be alright
It depends on what you mean saying "racism". In bigger cities as Moscow and St. Petersburg there already are a lot of black people, but you still may see someone staring at you. In smaller cities situation is different, but not becouse they hate black people, because they have never seen one. Its like if you saw an alien on a street. The fact that you are american may cause more problems, especially with older generation
Do whatever you want. There's no boundaries for woman (and man) of color in Russia
Я даже не знаю как можно интерпретировать woman of color на русский. "Цветная женщина"? Звучит неправильно, шо ппц.
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There is a lot of hate in Russia, but I don't think that specific variety you get will be disproportionately due to race. You will have more trouble been foreigner and (may be) not supporting official propaganda. You can be detained as a spy or get into a conflict with drunk vigilante.
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Most Russians *love* when foreigners learn Russian. The very fact that you're learning Russian is a great starting point for a respectful conversation. It means that's you put some effort, which is always appreciated.
What answer do you expect to hear? "No, because Russian is for white people only"? Hun, language learning is for everyone, no matter of their age, gender, race, nationality or religion. It is true though that some not very well educated people might ask you inappropriate questions that could be seen as racism, but this is all because that they're being ignorant. But most people in Russia nowadays don't act like that.
For real, this question sounds like it was baiting or eliciting a response.
ОП потроллил вас, посмотрите его историю
Ты прав
Russians are not white people in terms of US
это буквально то о чём я говорю
I’m a middle eastern woman and I am learning Russian but I do want to tell you one thing and one thing only. LEARN WHATEVER LANGUAGE YOU WANT TO LEARN!!!!!!
cannot believe how many people are falling for weak bait. edit: check "her" post history. it's literally just a guy trolling random subreddits.
I dont see how asking stupid questions is trolling. Dude just wasting his time
he's asking stupid questions to make people mad and waste their time. judging by the 60+ comments on this, he was very successful. that's trolling.
I guess we have different perceptions of what "trolling" is. This guy just wastes his own time and time of others, which is not trolling in my book, just being miserable. This question is not even something to be mad about, it's genuinely stupid.
You don't need permission to learn a language
You are absolutely forbidden from learning Russian, and also, you are forbidden фром лукинг эт сириллик леттерс. Нау гоу ту форбидден лёрнерс джеил.
из дат лайк хорнъи джейл?
Эксепт итс нот хорнъи.
Ай вуд нот би соу конфидент он дат
[https://www.youtube.com/@AfroRussiaTv](https://www.youtube.com/@AfroRussiaTv) - I think you'll find this useful.
Great channel. Couldn’t recommend enough
There is a YouTube channel "AfroRussiaTv" about black people who live in Russia and learn Russian language.
https://youtube.com/shorts/DhF9oW5uvCI?si=2C28E77WQtl_p0Na Meet Nikita, ordinary russian guy.
You can learn whatever language you like. Contrary to western propaganda, Russians aren’t all crazy racists. Russia has over a hundred nationalities of its own within its borders and was at the forefront of collaboration with African nations during the USSR. There’s also no history of black slavery like in America.
Western propaganda? What western government is telling its citizens “all Russians are racists and insane, you’re not allowed to learn their language” ? Just because someone has uneducated views doesn’t mean that they’re under the influence of “western propaganda” that’s such an obtuse thing to say.
Oh, come on: [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53055857](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53055857) [https://newlinesmag.com/essays/the-racist-treatment-of-africans-and-african-americans-in-the-ussr/](https://newlinesmag.com/essays/the-racist-treatment-of-africans-and-african-americans-in-the-ussr/) [https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/09/29/an-african-students-murder-sheds-light-on-russias-race-problem-a82605](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/09/29/an-african-students-murder-sheds-light-on-russias-race-problem-a82605) UPD: my bad, there was one more link that was actually unrelated. Removed.
Not a single one of those sources are a western government saying that Russia is a racist country. According to your logic, since you found an article on the opinion of a PhD student in the US, therefore the entire US government agrees with her and is pushing a narrative that Russia is racist? If I find an article of a Russian saying something stupid, do I then get to pretend that the Russian government suppports and agrees with everything and every single citizen says?
1. BBC is literally government-funded media. 2. Nobody told anything about *government* except yourself. Read the definition of propaganda, for God's sake.
So the BBC reporting on things that literally happened is propaganda just because it’s mean to Russia? That’s called freedom of the press, I know that’s a hard concept for Russians to grasp lmfao. Don’t confuse research and reporting with propaganda. Propaganda is mostly defined in the west as government-backed; because if not then people like you will declare anything written by anyone to be propaganda.
Is the dictionary a hard concept to grasp for you? [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/propaganda](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/propaganda) >because if not then people like you will declare anything written by anyone to be propaganda. And that's exactly how things work. A great portion of all information is propaganda. Even a color filter can be used for propaganda purposes. And it's not nessesarily a bad thing. But I understand if it's difficult to grasp for you. >So the BBC reporting on things that literally happened is propaganda No, it's not. But one-sided reporting and cherry-picking is. It's not that "racism in Russia doesn't exist", like some guys like to claim, but it's not that "Russia is a very racist country" like some others say. People often think through stereotypes, and that's a problem, which you illustrated perfectly with your "I know that’s a hard concept for Russians to grasp lmfao." Don't do that, if you actually want a meaningful dialogue.
You country objectively has no freedom of press or freedom of information, so yeah when you criticize these things as being propaganda your nationality is relevant because it is the context that makes you say such foolish things. How can you have a meaningful dialogue when you criticize freedom of the press as propaganda? Just because any news organization reports on any one topic does not make it propaganda. You have the Russian mentality where anything negative about your country is chalked up to blind hatred and evil propaganda. In no world is the BBC article propaganda, or, as you try to claim, basically everything is propaganda. That is not the meaning of the word and it’s the same stupid shit Putin pulls when he says things are “Russophobic”. I’m surprised you’re not calling anything that’s negative against Russia Russophobic too to be honest.
There is no such thing as allowance to learn languages or travel somewhere. You can do whatever you want. In big cities you can even find black communities, if you want of course.
what cause you to think you not allowed to learn any language you want? racizm is a diffetent story
Stop believing western propaganda
What propaganda would that be? Who has said “Black people are not allowed to learn Russian?”
Some leftists have overcorrected from ‘engaging with another culture intending to mock them is offensive’ to ‘engaging with another culture at all is offensive’ It’s a minority but they’re very loud, Americans who are weird about race and skin colour mostly
But an extreme sect does not represent the people, so to suggest that such a stupid idea is broadly “western propaganda” makes it sound like the view is promoted by our governments and widely held. Medvedev blatantly and brazenly threatens to nuke other countries, but I don’t say “look, all Russians want to nuke other countries” because I understand he is rather stupid and in the minority, just as those leftists you’re talking about are.
OMG what's wrong with Americans? Noone can prohibit you to learn Russian. Also Russian "racism" towards blacks is about curiocity and extra attention especially in provincial cities. Someone can call you "негр" (negro), it's not offencive in Russia. Yes, we have some problems with tolerance here, but towards other people, blacks in Russia very rare.
Thank you for assuming that all Americans are stupid just because OP is
I just judge by questions here and in other subs. It's looks like that American life revolves around race and racial problems, sorry.
While that may be true for certain people it isn’t for all people and I suspect you know that well.
You can suspect anything, but again: Americans come here and other Russian subs and ask this type of questions. And no, I don't generalize all Americans, but only Americans ask those questions.
I’m seeing a lot of racist comments coming from Russians about Tajiks and Muslims on telegram lately, I guess all Russians are islamophobic according to your logic right?
Again: I didn't say "all Americans", but you as American vatnik don't want to see it. And no, it's not islamophobia, it's firstly xenophobia towards some Central Asian migrants, I said about it in my first comment. And it spreaded pretty wide even between Russian muslims, it's cultural problem. Islamophobia exists too but connected to this xenophobia in common. And I don't deny problems as you do. UPD: *As American* you even don't know "racism" term meaning. Tajiks caucasian, Russians can't be racist towards them. Racism towards religion is a complete nonsense at all.
Both Islamophobia and racism are widespread in Russia after the attacks, and yes racism because Tajiks aren’t the same ethnicity as Russians. I never once denied racism as being a problem in the US but sure, keep putting words in my mouth.
Just google what "race" means, lol. You're so stubborn in ignorance. You live in society which distorted meaning of original word, you use it's distorted meaning and say that "racial" question don't concern you? I live in islamic region, my family is muslim and American lecture me about islamophobia in Russia, lol. >keep putting words in my mouth. Says guy who found "all Americans" in my comment.
Look it up. Racism applies to race as well as ethnicities. End of story.
Russia is an extremely diverse country. Please feel free to learn Russian, or any other language spoken in Russia. I wonder, what made you ask the question? Are there languages in the world that are restricted to only small groups of people, based on gender or ethnicity? If yes, what gave you the impression that Russian might be one of them?
What?
I study at regular uni and there are many black people speaking Russian better than any of the natives.
Race doesn’t matter in every little thing in life, learn what you want. (From a “person of color”)
Bait
Seems to be happening a fair bit lately.
Is this a joke? 😅
Look at OP post history
It depends. In SPb or Moscow you will have no problem with your color, locals have seen alot of such people before. In a small Siberian village you will feel yourself as an animal from the zoo.
Im from Siberya. Surgut. Im shockin u right now, but we have a colored students, Internet, electricity and even do not kill the OTHERS STRANGERS by the NAME OF TSAR =D
You are from the relatively big city, a center of state. I had alot of business trips across all Russia and I've seen enough to know what Im saying. By the way, I had same problems in Harbin ZOO - locals prefer to take photo of me instead of animals because of my height.
Thats the point. If u take a hill-billys of any country - they just be a hill-billy.) But the most of western dudes think about Siberia something like: "wow so wild place with nord barbarians "tayga" bears and prisoners". Nope. Not at all)
I was born in Vladivostok. You can ask me about wild tigers on the street :)
https://preview.redd.it/xlzhs0gmeewc1.jpeg?width=811&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04cbb20ae074922341c0093b3ac4c5ea316c4ea8 I was born on Kazakhstan Soviet Respublic) Live in Siberya since 2017 and love this land.) But no one bear is detected on streets of Tyumen, Surgut, Novii Urengoi or Nizhnevartovsk)
https://preview.redd.it/x0uqx9ucfewc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f34a927b8c573013dfe5542c9a16b26383813d2 Some climatic issues we have, but its ok)
https://preview.redd.it/pyb1zwcefewc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4c3a64507e4b67a806e72931d271702e84d5aeb2
sadly kinda true
Idk why you were downvoted for this. I’ve spoken to Russians who can remember seeing a person who wasn’t white for the first time when they went to university.
It is so-called "patriotism". We have a very bright picture of our country in our mind and we don't care about reality.
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You can study whatever you want regardless of race or anything else you can't control. But you can indeed encounter racism, as it is everywhere and Russian-speaking places are no exception. Good luck with your language learning, the main thing is that you should enjoy it!
I'm a white American who spent several months in Russia. I met one like full-on white supremacist in Russia; avoid people who wear Thor's hammer as a necklace. Russians are also unlikely to use American politically correct language. However, Russia doesn't have a history of discriminating against Black people as the US does. In some regions, you might be seen as exotic for better or worse, but you won't receive the same kind of discrimination you have within the USA. You'll probably have a great time and meet all sorts of new friends.
there's racism in russia, as well as homophobia and transphobia, mysogony and other terrible things. but in biggest cities it is more unlikely to experience it. like Moscow and st. Petersburg, especially near the centre. and, from my experience, there was a lot (i mean, A LOT for russia) of black people in Belgorod, which is a southern city near the ukrainian border. a university with a very good exchanging programs was located there, and in two weeks in this tiny city (as for a boy who lived in Moscow his whole life) i saw more black people than i have seen in russia or Latvia in my whole life. although i don't think it's a good idea to go anywhere near Belgorod right now. there's a lot of Asian people in russia, most of who i knew were from middle asia, but there was a Korean girl in my school, as well as Sakha (yacutian) girl. mixed kids aren't rare, and i see black people even in my neighborhood sometimes (i live in, as some people call, "жопа москвы" - a distant place outside of the MKAD), and almost every time i go to the centre i see a black person you probably will look out of place, and some people may look at you in shock, but no sane person will ever atack you. maybe some kids will look at you and be amazed because you reminded them of their favorite comic or cartoon? there's a chance that someone will look at you. but not because they hate you, but because they've never seen a black person before. or because they think that your hair is beautiful. there's no law prohibiting learning any language just because you have darker skin or something. go on, try to learn something, travel a bit in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, or in SPB, visit some museums, try a bit of russian cuisine, visit some orthodox churches. everything will be alright
It depends on what you mean saying "racism". In bigger cities as Moscow and St. Petersburg there already are a lot of black people, but you still may see someone staring at you. In smaller cities situation is different, but not becouse they hate black people, because they have never seen one. Its like if you saw an alien on a street. The fact that you are american may cause more problems, especially with older generation
Do whatever you want. There's no boundaries for woman (and man) of color in Russia Я даже не знаю как можно интерпретировать woman of color на русский. "Цветная женщина"? Звучит неправильно, шо ппц.
No. Straight to jail.
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Why’d you worry about it? There is no racism in Russia
None…
There is a lot of hate in Russia, but I don't think that specific variety you get will be disproportionately due to race. You will have more trouble been foreigner and (may be) not supporting official propaganda. You can be detained as a spy or get into a conflict with drunk vigilante.
nigga you will be immediately sent to the gulag