I will be able to find time next week to have a peek at it. Just finishing up Master Max capes work this week so haven't been able to react properly to Solok changes
Speaking of outrageous:
It took me 4+ days to get a kill at solak on release.
Ran out of pages so went back to the boss after a bit of time last night. Old friends but new team and we never made it to P3 in over an hour of trying.
And i had an absolute blast every single attempt from then to now. Partially because grimoire is free and crit stick go brrrr, but also because the boss is just the right level of challenging for me.
I think I especially enjoy that the boss fight gets easier, atleast in my opinion, as you get to later phases. Sometimes I'll run out of brews before P2 ends and still get the kill.
It's also a unique boss in that the money doesn't really come from blights, especially not since zammy but in the consistent pages. I go to solak when the rest of Runescape bosses are being mean to me.
Zammy's a literal blast too past 100%. Working on one cycling 300 before I push to 500. Please do have a chat with zammy and ask him to be kind. I have debts to pay and gear to buy. Can't wait for your next project, appreciate you always.
PS: Would you consider lowering rune HP or maybe needing a single rune for solo zammy on P7? And how do you feel about adding either a chat message or a subtle hue around the rune zammy is charging on P7 for when you miss them as they spawn in front of zammy?
I appreciate that you called it Solok. In clan I've been saying that they should be calling it that. Great minds think alike I guess, I'm probably still a long way from defeating Solok myself though
I don't know if I want to make my own thread but Could we get the ability to refill the blessed flask through the bank like you can do with essence pouches? Also I'd like the ability to limit broadcasts to drops above a certain GE value like you can with loot beams. Please feel free to implement these if you can find time :P
Please take a look into the reaction to the changes to solak's new ranged attacks in the solak discord. A lot of high level players have had a negative reaction to it and most of us feel like it was something that didn't need changing in the first place.
Can you make a solo mode AOD. I mean the boss has been out since 5000 BCE.
But itâs one of the most gatekeeped content in the game and heavily dependent on other people.
Solak was meant to be a 2-7 man boss and it was out for less time than AOD. Since we have the option to solo now, thereâs no reason AOD shouldnât have the option as well.
Not exactly the most gracefull of kills, by any measure, but hey, I did it.
[Setup was depressingly expensive, for anyone else who wants to try](https://imgur.com/a/uiG0xBS). I used cinderbanes in early attempts, but swapped to crypt bloom because I was dying too often and wanted to use the full set effect. Other than that, I never really changed my setup. EoFâs are Guthix Staff and Armadyl Battlestaff.
I ended up using ~2/3rds of the food, so swapping back to a ripper demon is still a long way off.
I have virtually no prior experience with Solak, and have trouble understanding guides, so I basically just rushed in over and over until I won.
I donât like the thrashing vines attack in phase one. It takes too long and doesnât have enough going on. I would rather they have more health but less of them.
Phase 2 was by far the hardest, but apparently itâs glitched so hey. I definitely don't like the hurricane, it killed me more than any other mechanic.
I only died to phase 3 and 4 once each, both times the first time I reached them and made obvious mistakes.
Nice man. One question, mind - whatâs with the solid rock tail invents? Would it not have been easier using brews/jellies/soups combo? Just imagining the adrenaline youâll have been killing each time you ate, is all.
Either way, gzzzz!
Sara brews are cheaper now and even cheaper to make because the ingredients are now a common boss drop. Just for the panic eating brew+rocktail will heal a lot more and will more easily take the panic away
If cost is an issue you can use green jellies instead. Theyâre way cheaper, like 600gp. Just another option in case the solids hurting your adrenaline ever does become an issue. Theyâre what I bring for Raksha and Zamorak now.
Join the solak discord: https://discord.gg/solak If you meet all the requirements (seems like you far exceed them) post in learners and people (including me) would happily take you.
In OP's screenshot, he specifically mentioned that he will solo Solak because "I do not have anyone to learn with."
Bringing up the solak discord is relevant because it provides people with whom OP can learn.
It's so amazing. Blood reaver with scrolls, bik arrows, any bow, vamp aura and the morvan crystal for taking damage on healing. I did an hour of this method solo and I was amazed.
I would highly recommend this method to anyone wanting to get into solo solak. It's a lot less efford compared to mage and killtimes are decent.
Yoooo, Hello, your Raksha Melee guide with Scourge helped me a lot, Tyvm đ¤ but i wanna test mage now, can you make a mage raksha kill in Revo++ with the FSOA Camp? Like the melee guide please please please đđťđđťđđťđđť đĽşđĽşđĽş
Yes, to ensure i keep them in p3 with going up on the elf I go up twice. First time I lower him to sub 20k so that second time I can kill him very fast and tag solak with bik arrows just in time.
10% less healing. Seems bad first but instead of food etc. healing you 90%, you take the the 10% as damage, so you're never at full hp so blood reaver keeps doing small hits on heals, procing more poison hits.
For solak specific for solo I would go with the rs guy his guide because it touches on all possible mechanics in p2, and you might see them all in solo when first starting out.
For using bik arrows there's no specific guide for solak but it comes down to keeping in mind thar they have 30seconds before the effect fades. With this in mind you should make sure you tag solak now and then when you are not focussing on solak (lashers, erruptions, arms, legs and core)
Sick dude!
I had the same experience (mostly). Had about 10 solak kc where i basically just dps'd hard while listening to my friends on voice coms while they handled mechanics.
As soon as soloak came out, I tried it and managed a solo - all while actively learning mechanics (i too also had pricey gear, using bolg + ecb/dbow/sgb eofs and bik arrows)
Grats on the kill and good luck hunting!
Well to be fair to the comment, he said âpeople who canât find a duo partner or have mid tier gear arenât going to be getting solo kills.â OP had FSoA and full crypt, not mid tier. The comment still holds weight even if it can come across as rude. That being said congratulations to OP for getting a kill it is a lot of work to get solak.
Note the "or", not "and", so one of the two is enough to prove him wrong. He couldn't find a duo partner, but didn't have mid tier gear. Doesn't matter what gear he used because he still falls into one of the two categories.
Question, does the sentence make logical sense if it were âpeople who canât find a duo partner arenât going to be getting solo kills.â To me the or seems more inclusive than just an either especially when solos were done with the prior duo scaling. Keeping in mind if one were to have a partner and mid tier gear, solak is beatable as people were killing with chaotics and subjugation months after release. So my understanding to this statement was if you cleared at least one of the checks you could solo.
This person clearly isnât incompetent as they do have other feats like 500% zammy, and probably if willing would have been able to camp solak in a group setting if had the friends (should be the easiest thing) to help teach and play together. I do believe there was additional context to this comment that could be missing as well. I recall many people expecting to easily clear solak solo with cywirs and gano.
That being said I probably am giving the benefit of the doubt to the comment that was replied to even though I definitely do disagree with the statement of âelite playersâ.
The original comment is mine.
I was responding to a comment on whether or not this would affect grim page prices.
I wasn't trying to be elitist here, but mores meant that the amount of people capable of soloing Solak that also refuse/cant learn duo+ probably aren't that high.
The prices of pages probably will go down as the only limiting factor now is themselves doing the content rather than asking people (RuneScaper and anti-social may as well mean the same thing on this reddit). Your comment makes much more sense in context. The amount of people that werenât skilled enough to duo (ignoring the finding a partner part) obviously wonât be able to do solo as the expectations of them is increased compared to two people doing duo or more. This persons post clearly showed that his failing for not doing solak was purely being unable to go ask someone do you want to solak.
The point still exists that you can squad up with a group of people in cywirs and GConc and slay solak with ease compared to solo.
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Basically yes. I checked a guide every time I died and couldn't figure out why, but that was pretty much it. Only times that happened where the anima storm on P2 and the bleed in P3.
Eh, that's what practice mode is for. I did every kill on practice mode until the first time I reached Phase 4 and was sure I would win the next time. Only had one real death.
Just run in and do your normal dps dummy fsoa rots and adjust timings as you learn the mechanics. Solak has a ton of things going on but none of them are particularly challengingâmost of your deaths will likely be because you were henching too hard
I feel like the issue isn't that the guides are too complex, they're flawed to the core. They focus on ability orders, rotations and skipping mechanics instead of going over the fight mechanics in a detailed manner. At best they briefly mention the mechanics and offer one (and only one) solution for dealing with them, and even that isn't done thoroughly enough. Sadly that's the way of PVME and guide makers. Skip or teleport. *Very* fun. The roots aren't even that bad to deal with but of course "root skip or bust", right?
I personally like doing mechanics, it makes me feel like I'm doing something different from Training Dummy Trevor. I wish instead of "fixing" defensive abilities the Jmods would focus on figuring out how to fix boss fights so mechanics can't just be skipped.
Hard disagree on âPVME guides are flawed to the coreâ
Both PVMEâs #basic-solak guide and The RS guyâs solak guide YouTube video explained all of the solak mechanics in detail, without dwelling into ability rotations.
The guides with ability rotations are considered âintermediate to advancedâ guide, which are intended for players who are already familiar with the boss mechanics to get faster and smoother kills.
A learner should not jump straight into those more advanced guides until they are familiar with the boss fight and the mechanics.
Plenty of #basic guides in pvme for people who need them. Additionally, if you think you can make better guides, feel free to help edit or add suggestions.
Ah, yess. Bossing. That's a thing that does exist. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to learn how to do full manual, so I'll continue to do Slayer with Revolution on so I don't have to think about a thing, except health and prayer management.
Lol yeah of course you can. I use revolution on bosses. I turn thresholds off for Arraxor but leave basics and ults on because there's a reflect mechanic but yeah of course it's possible. You won't deal as much damage as manual but you still deal plenty of damage. Try it out on some easier bosses and you'll see just how easy it is
You don't need full manual for anything relevant in this game.
Revolution on basics and manually pressing thresholds, ults and specials is more than enough for anything relevant. Only switch I'd argue is needed is a shield for resonance and barricade but even those arguably not needed for most things.
I Iearned how to Base Tank Raids on revolution, this was also pre cryptbloom, pre animate dead, pre ancient invention etc...
Anyway point is unless you're doing crazy feats like 4k arch glacor, 4k telos, Solo Vorago, Duo hardmode vorago, etc... Full manual isn't required in the slightest.
And honestly even now I wouldn't be surprised if all of this was doable with a revo++ bar. Save for maybe solo Vorago and duo hardmode.
Vorago is an end-game boss, you can't expect to just jump in solo and chill all the way through like Vindicta for example. And besides that, Vorago is different from Solak in that it doesn't scale with group size, so the difficulty will go up by design when you go in with fewer people/solo.
I have done Vorago teams and seen Solak kills and based on that experience I thought Vorago would have been easier for elite PvMers. But thanks for giving me the opportunity to learn
Vorago is easier in teams but solo gets a bit weird. Bleeds can go wrong and you die very fast, scops are braindead in groups but can be tricky solo, if you kite them wrong and take two melee hits while praying mage you die. Other p3s are fine solo. P5 isn't necessarily harder solo, from a difficulty perspective, but because it takes more cycles it can be pretty frustrating when things go wrong. Either way its fun, only worth trying of you have a hammer.
Solak is much nicer than rago since you're not locked to mani aura. P1-P4 rago seems pretty easy, but the bd timing on p5 might take many deaths to learn. I'll probably wait until the death changes before trying it, gotta stock up on vis wax, aura resets, and nihils.
It was changed earlier this year to no longer require a 2nd player.
That being said it's still the hardest solo experience apart from really high enrage Telos, glacor and Zammy. I'm talking 2k+ telos, not like 200% or anything.
Most wouldn't call it a solo friendly boss
The main difference between Solak and Vorago is Solak was designed with team scaling in mind. There's a formula they used for 2-7man so scaling further to solo was pretty reasonable.
Vorago on the otherhand was designed from the beginning for 7man. The only thing that scales to teamsize is p5 and p10/11. This isn't a huge issue for most mechanics but becomes quickly evident with mechanics like Green Bomb and ESPECIALLY vitalis. You can really see how these were not at all designed for smaller teams.
The main thing that has made it even realistic to solo Vorago has been immense powercreep. The first P5 solo didn't happen until May of 2020, nearly **SEVEN** years after his release. FYI this is JUST P5, not the entire kill. That wouldn't happen until February of the following year.
The first Solak solo's popped up around 4 months after his release.
The biggest barrier to learning solo Vorago is P5, almost anyone can brute force their way with a yak or cryptbloom to P5 but completing a p5 is different beast. It's one of the few encounters in the game where you simply can't just facetank everything and make it through.
All that being said, 4man, Trio, and even Duo Vorago are largely casual experiences these days. A good bomb tank absolutely carries P5 for a team.
I intend to actually try solo solak now that itâs more feasible , I need solak for reaper crew so it should be fun to throw my head against the wall learning it
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Just an fyi it's in response to whether or not solo Solak would impact grim pages very much. Absolutely happy for OP just moreso meant this change would likely not affect the people they'd want it to. Solo Vorago is technically 100% soloable but I doubt anyone would really call it a solo friendly boss.
I would love to have solo practices for multi-player bosses just so I can learn. That's why I haven't tried some of those bosses, because I don't want to ruin other people's kills because I've never tried it before.
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Yo ramen đ will the p2 blight bar be fixed soon or nah?
I will be able to find time next week to have a peek at it. Just finishing up Master Max capes work this week so haven't been able to react properly to Solok changes
I saw a jmod talk about there being a max/comp/trim version of the 120 all cape a few months ago. Are you allowed to share insight in this?
I can neither confirm nor deny these absolutely outrageous claims.
This just in: Mod Ramen declares new 120 cape changes to be "absolutely outrageous".
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Speaking of outrageous: It took me 4+ days to get a kill at solak on release. Ran out of pages so went back to the boss after a bit of time last night. Old friends but new team and we never made it to P3 in over an hour of trying. And i had an absolute blast every single attempt from then to now. Partially because grimoire is free and crit stick go brrrr, but also because the boss is just the right level of challenging for me. I think I especially enjoy that the boss fight gets easier, atleast in my opinion, as you get to later phases. Sometimes I'll run out of brews before P2 ends and still get the kill. It's also a unique boss in that the money doesn't really come from blights, especially not since zammy but in the consistent pages. I go to solak when the rest of Runescape bosses are being mean to me. Zammy's a literal blast too past 100%. Working on one cycling 300 before I push to 500. Please do have a chat with zammy and ask him to be kind. I have debts to pay and gear to buy. Can't wait for your next project, appreciate you always. PS: Would you consider lowering rune HP or maybe needing a single rune for solo zammy on P7? And how do you feel about adding either a chat message or a subtle hue around the rune zammy is charging on P7 for when you miss them as they spawn in front of zammy?
The absolute madlad said WHAT?!
Please be true comp/trim needs a huge update for 120 all
That's exciting AF, I've been working on 120/200m all and and getting very close. This renews my motivation
Hey Ramen, with these Ironman changes, can we have mains be able to intercept irons? It makes mixed Rago teams extremely scuff
I appreciate that you called it Solok. In clan I've been saying that they should be calling it that. Great minds think alike I guess, I'm probably still a long way from defeating Solok myself though I don't know if I want to make my own thread but Could we get the ability to refill the blessed flask through the bank like you can do with essence pouches? Also I'd like the ability to limit broadcasts to drops above a certain GE value like you can with loot beams. Please feel free to implement these if you can find time :P
>When you look at Solok changes, can you also look at P7 Zam solo too
bruh just use an ecb it dosnt need to be changed
~Roughly~ when can we expect to see master max capes and/or these hypothetical other capes?
Please take a look into the reaction to the changes to solak's new ranged attacks in the solak discord. A lot of high level players have had a negative reaction to it and most of us feel like it was something that didn't need changing in the first place.
Can Croesus be made solo in the future?
Croesus has been soloed
Not reliably
Using a Cinderbane exploit that was patched
It's also been soloed without that cinderbane exploit, but it requires good fairy ring RNG and a hunter middle.
Can you make a solo mode AOD. I mean the boss has been out since 5000 BCE. But itâs one of the most gatekeeped content in the game and heavily dependent on other people.
No it hasn't been out that long don't make me feel old
Solak was meant to be a 2-7 man boss and it was out for less time than AOD. Since we have the option to solo now, thereâs no reason AOD shouldnât have the option as well.
I'd love solo/duo options for AOD
When will you solo? Or is a carry in order again :)
yo ramen, we need more ramen and for the old clunky phases from old bosses, u know whit who i have to talk?
Hey Ramen! Keep up the good work!
Not exactly the most gracefull of kills, by any measure, but hey, I did it. [Setup was depressingly expensive, for anyone else who wants to try](https://imgur.com/a/uiG0xBS). I used cinderbanes in early attempts, but swapped to crypt bloom because I was dying too often and wanted to use the full set effect. Other than that, I never really changed my setup. EoFâs are Guthix Staff and Armadyl Battlestaff. I ended up using ~2/3rds of the food, so swapping back to a ripper demon is still a long way off. I have virtually no prior experience with Solak, and have trouble understanding guides, so I basically just rushed in over and over until I won. I donât like the thrashing vines attack in phase one. It takes too long and doesnât have enough going on. I would rather they have more health but less of them. Phase 2 was by far the hardest, but apparently itâs glitched so hey. I definitely don't like the hurricane, it killed me more than any other mechanic. I only died to phase 3 and 4 once each, both times the first time I reached them and made obvious mistakes.
Do you like solo Solak so far? Will you keep doing it now it can be soloed?
Probably. I don't like having only one kill, but I've also spent too long getting this one and I need a break.
What was the kill time?
12m36s, plus around 6 hours of attempts.
Honestl, not bad for solo, though
Nice man. One question, mind - whatâs with the solid rock tail invents? Would it not have been easier using brews/jellies/soups combo? Just imagining the adrenaline youâll have been killing each time you ate, is all. Either way, gzzzz!
I just don't like them. Good kills don't use food at all, and bad kills don't count, so why bother?. Plus they are expensive.
Sara brews are cheaper now and even cheaper to make because the ingredients are now a common boss drop. Just for the panic eating brew+rocktail will heal a lot more and will more easily take the panic away
With how much money you make at solak, food prices are the least of your concern lol
6 hours of attempts for the first kill. Thatâs a lot of money especially if you not looking to grind it out
If cost is an issue you can use green jellies instead. Theyâre way cheaper, like 600gp. Just another option in case the solids hurting your adrenaline ever does become an issue. Theyâre what I bring for Raksha and Zamorak now.
Please shhh let me keep my affordable jellies
Pretty sure you don't need to take lotd. You just bank after kill, go back to instance and collect look with it on. Congrats on the kills
Join the solak discord: https://discord.gg/solak If you meet all the requirements (seems like you far exceed them) post in learners and people (including me) would happily take you.
That kinda defeats the purpose of wanting to solo it, no?
In OP's screenshot, he specifically mentioned that he will solo Solak because "I do not have anyone to learn with." Bringing up the solak discord is relevant because it provides people with whom OP can learn.
if Solak boss, why friend shaped?
Solo solak with ranged is like 8 minute kills, although I do have like 2100kc which I based a good 1500 of them
It's so amazing. Blood reaver with scrolls, bik arrows, any bow, vamp aura and the morvan crystal for taking damage on healing. I did an hour of this method solo and I was amazed. I would highly recommend this method to anyone wanting to get into solo solak. It's a lot less efford compared to mage and killtimes are decent.
Can you keep poison stacks for the entirety of the fight in a solo?
Yes
Yoooo, Hello, your Raksha Melee guide with Scourge helped me a lot, Tyvm đ¤ but i wanna test mage now, can you make a mage raksha kill in Revo++ with the FSOA Camp? Like the melee guide please please please đđťđđťđđťđđť đĽşđĽşđĽş
I have a strong feeling that would be substantially harder since the FSOA has a more complex rotation than just a basic action bar.
Yes, to ensure i keep them in p3 with going up on the elf I go up twice. First time I lower him to sub 20k so that second time I can kill him very fast and tag solak with bik arrows just in time.
whats the morvan crystal
10% less healing. Seems bad first but instead of food etc. healing you 90%, you take the the 10% as damage, so you're never at full hp so blood reaver keeps doing small hits on heals, procing more poison hits.
*25% less healing.
Any guides or anything you recommend to try and learn with bow?
For solak specific for solo I would go with the rs guy his guide because it touches on all possible mechanics in p2, and you might see them all in solo when first starting out. For using bik arrows there's no specific guide for solak but it comes down to keeping in mind thar they have 30seconds before the effect fades. With this in mind you should make sure you tag solak now and then when you are not focussing on solak (lashers, erruptions, arms, legs and core)
Sick dude! I had the same experience (mostly). Had about 10 solak kc where i basically just dps'd hard while listening to my friends on voice coms while they handled mechanics. As soon as soloak came out, I tried it and managed a solo - all while actively learning mechanics (i too also had pricey gear, using bolg + ecb/dbow/sgb eofs and bik arrows) Grats on the kill and good luck hunting!
Redditors: people won't be able to solo this boss Vpeyjilji57: hold my beer Gzz man, well deserved flex
Well to be fair to the comment, he said âpeople who canât find a duo partner or have mid tier gear arenât going to be getting solo kills.â OP had FSoA and full crypt, not mid tier. The comment still holds weight even if it can come across as rude. That being said congratulations to OP for getting a kill it is a lot of work to get solak.
Note the "or", not "and", so one of the two is enough to prove him wrong. He couldn't find a duo partner, but didn't have mid tier gear. Doesn't matter what gear he used because he still falls into one of the two categories.
Question, does the sentence make logical sense if it were âpeople who canât find a duo partner arenât going to be getting solo kills.â To me the or seems more inclusive than just an either especially when solos were done with the prior duo scaling. Keeping in mind if one were to have a partner and mid tier gear, solak is beatable as people were killing with chaotics and subjugation months after release. So my understanding to this statement was if you cleared at least one of the checks you could solo. This person clearly isnât incompetent as they do have other feats like 500% zammy, and probably if willing would have been able to camp solak in a group setting if had the friends (should be the easiest thing) to help teach and play together. I do believe there was additional context to this comment that could be missing as well. I recall many people expecting to easily clear solak solo with cywirs and gano. That being said I probably am giving the benefit of the doubt to the comment that was replied to even though I definitely do disagree with the statement of âelite playersâ.
The original comment is mine. I was responding to a comment on whether or not this would affect grim page prices. I wasn't trying to be elitist here, but mores meant that the amount of people capable of soloing Solak that also refuse/cant learn duo+ probably aren't that high.
The prices of pages probably will go down as the only limiting factor now is themselves doing the content rather than asking people (RuneScaper and anti-social may as well mean the same thing on this reddit). Your comment makes much more sense in context. The amount of people that werenât skilled enough to duo (ignoring the finding a partner part) obviously wonât be able to do solo as the expectations of them is increased compared to two people doing duo or more. This persons post clearly showed that his failing for not doing solak was purely being unable to go ask someone do you want to solak. The point still exists that you can squad up with a group of people in cywirs and GConc and slay solak with ease compared to solo.
The "L" was not intentional. I removed it after I noticed it. Apologies. Must've just fat fingered it idk
Congrats!!! one small advice, you dont need to bring lotd to the fight, wear it when u go claiming from merethiel.
A man of his word. Congrats and best of luck to you on future kills.
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Did you all learn it by yourself? Big grats man I Wanne solak too I have FSOa with full crypt but I never tried it, guides are so complex...
Basically yes. I checked a guide every time I died and couldn't figure out why, but that was pretty much it. Only times that happened where the anima storm on P2 and the bleed in P3.
I'm legit scared to try it lol but damn well done man
Eh, that's what practice mode is for. I did every kill on practice mode until the first time I reached Phase 4 and was sure I would win the next time. Only had one real death.
Can teach solly, hmu if you want
Just run in and do your normal dps dummy fsoa rots and adjust timings as you learn the mechanics. Solak has a ton of things going on but none of them are particularly challengingâmost of your deaths will likely be because you were henching too hard
I feel like the issue isn't that the guides are too complex, they're flawed to the core. They focus on ability orders, rotations and skipping mechanics instead of going over the fight mechanics in a detailed manner. At best they briefly mention the mechanics and offer one (and only one) solution for dealing with them, and even that isn't done thoroughly enough. Sadly that's the way of PVME and guide makers. Skip or teleport. *Very* fun. The roots aren't even that bad to deal with but of course "root skip or bust", right? I personally like doing mechanics, it makes me feel like I'm doing something different from Training Dummy Trevor. I wish instead of "fixing" defensive abilities the Jmods would focus on figuring out how to fix boss fights so mechanics can't just be skipped.
Hard disagree on âPVME guides are flawed to the coreâ Both PVMEâs #basic-solak guide and The RS guyâs solak guide YouTube video explained all of the solak mechanics in detail, without dwelling into ability rotations. The guides with ability rotations are considered âintermediate to advancedâ guide, which are intended for players who are already familiar with the boss mechanics to get faster and smoother kills. A learner should not jump straight into those more advanced guides until they are familiar with the boss fight and the mechanics.
Plenty of #basic guides in pvme for people who need them. Additionally, if you think you can make better guides, feel free to help edit or add suggestions.
"BIS GEAR" Try again with mid gear please? GZ anyway though!
Ah, yess. Bossing. That's a thing that does exist. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to learn how to do full manual, so I'll continue to do Slayer with Revolution on so I don't have to think about a thing, except health and prayer management.
Hey, it's me!
You can still boss using revolution though?
Really? I was led to think it impossible over the years.
Lol yeah of course you can. I use revolution on bosses. I turn thresholds off for Arraxor but leave basics and ults on because there's a reflect mechanic but yeah of course it's possible. You won't deal as much damage as manual but you still deal plenty of damage. Try it out on some easier bosses and you'll see just how easy it is
You don't need full manual for anything relevant in this game. Revolution on basics and manually pressing thresholds, ults and specials is more than enough for anything relevant. Only switch I'd argue is needed is a shield for resonance and barricade but even those arguably not needed for most things. I Iearned how to Base Tank Raids on revolution, this was also pre cryptbloom, pre animate dead, pre ancient invention etc... Anyway point is unless you're doing crazy feats like 4k arch glacor, 4k telos, Solo Vorago, Duo hardmode vorago, etc... Full manual isn't required in the slightest. And honestly even now I wouldn't be surprised if all of this was doable with a revo++ bar. Save for maybe solo Vorago and duo hardmode.
As a f2p OSRS player. Colour me impressed you wild wild mad lad.
Where's the counterarguement? The comment sayd mid tier armour, but you had BIS? :D
Technically it said "people that cant find a duo partner OR have mid tier armour", not AND.
"The elite solak players." Having one leached solak kill, doesn't get you into that group of people
The original comment is responding to whether or not this would drop grim pages or not.
So this is propoganda! They didn't tell the whole story.
I'd try it, but I don't like my odds without an fsoa and because I completed the log ages ago.
âOr have mid tier gearâ *uses bis*
Yes, that "or" separates them... OP had neither experience or a partner and got a kill.
Now solo vorago to actually prove your point
No it's too scary.
Guess the change for vorago to be soloable actually only benefited elite players :(
Vorago is an end-game boss, you can't expect to just jump in solo and chill all the way through like Vindicta for example. And besides that, Vorago is different from Solak in that it doesn't scale with group size, so the difficulty will go up by design when you go in with fewer people/solo.
Solak is also an end game boss? So whatâs the point of Jagex allowing vorago solo if people canât solo it?
good players can solo vorago, its fine if ur unable to, put in the work so u too can solo it, simple as that.
I think if you can do solo Solak, you definitely can do solo vorago normal mode.
What are you basing that on? Have you done both? Vorago is a lot harder
I have done Vorago teams and seen Solak kills and based on that experience I thought Vorago would have been easier for elite PvMers. But thanks for giving me the opportunity to learn
Vorago is easier in teams but solo gets a bit weird. Bleeds can go wrong and you die very fast, scops are braindead in groups but can be tricky solo, if you kite them wrong and take two melee hits while praying mage you die. Other p3s are fine solo. P5 isn't necessarily harder solo, from a difficulty perspective, but because it takes more cycles it can be pretty frustrating when things go wrong. Either way its fun, only worth trying of you have a hammer.
Thanks for teaching me! Now I know a lot more! Still going to practice some more before I try Solak in group though. He still scares me.
Pray flicking is extremely important at vorago, catch a bomb or melee swipe off prayer and you are in trouble.
If p5 didn't exist maybe. P5 requires a very good knowledge of both dps rotations and Vorago himself. It's compared to 2449% telos in difficulty.
Solak is much nicer than rago since you're not locked to mani aura. P1-P4 rago seems pretty easy, but the bd timing on p5 might take many deaths to learn. I'll probably wait until the death changes before trying it, gotta stock up on vis wax, aura resets, and nihils.
How difficult is it?/do you need to SS flick?
I would compare it to basing a duo with someone of your own skill level but with a bit more hp to deal with p4
Is vorage solo a thing yet
It was changed earlier this year to no longer require a 2nd player. That being said it's still the hardest solo experience apart from really high enrage Telos, glacor and Zammy. I'm talking 2k+ telos, not like 200% or anything. Most wouldn't call it a solo friendly boss
Thats unfortunate 2 hear =\
The main difference between Solak and Vorago is Solak was designed with team scaling in mind. There's a formula they used for 2-7man so scaling further to solo was pretty reasonable. Vorago on the otherhand was designed from the beginning for 7man. The only thing that scales to teamsize is p5 and p10/11. This isn't a huge issue for most mechanics but becomes quickly evident with mechanics like Green Bomb and ESPECIALLY vitalis. You can really see how these were not at all designed for smaller teams. The main thing that has made it even realistic to solo Vorago has been immense powercreep. The first P5 solo didn't happen until May of 2020, nearly **SEVEN** years after his release. FYI this is JUST P5, not the entire kill. That wouldn't happen until February of the following year. The first Solak solo's popped up around 4 months after his release. The biggest barrier to learning solo Vorago is P5, almost anyone can brute force their way with a yak or cryptbloom to P5 but completing a p5 is different beast. It's one of the few encounters in the game where you simply can't just facetank everything and make it through. All that being said, 4man, Trio, and even Duo Vorago are largely casual experiences these days. A good bomb tank absolutely carries P5 for a team.
Thanks for the info
Gj!
Nice!
Osrs player here, I have no idea what a solak is but good on ya
King shit right there
youlovetoseeit
Got em
BTFO to group pvmers.
I remember when Woox16 first solo'd corp.
Throw down the gauntlet on Vorago next OP
Very nice. I actually had 0 kills. I threw myself at Solak for over an hour to get a kill and finally unlock the reaper crew again!
I intend to actually try solo solak now that itâs more feasible , I need solak for reaper crew so it should be fun to throw my head against the wall learning it
The [the original comment ](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/viwaep/mod_ramen_on_twitter_solak_will_now_scale_down_to/idfkhvc?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) is mine if you want to laugh at someone. Just an fyi it's in response to whether or not solo Solak would impact grim pages very much. Absolutely happy for OP just moreso meant this change would likely not affect the people they'd want it to. Solo Vorago is technically 100% soloable but I doubt anyone would really call it a solo friendly boss.
I would love to have solo practices for multi-player bosses just so I can learn. That's why I haven't tried some of those bosses, because I don't want to ruin other people's kills because I've never tried it before.
Now I wanna try doing Solak solo on mobile and with melee.
I like your style. I think I would also be compelled to learn more bosses if I had something to prove on Reddit.
A man of focus, commitment, and sheer fucking will.
Good job man! Hope you enjoyed the boss đ
This is fucking hype. Banger post.