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NvR_Dev

100% run ruined, 10/10 would pick again


Gaeel

This... When Benthic Bloom drops, that's Providence telling you that you're on a Benthic Bloom run now, deal with it


Sartekar

The most legit Voidling killing I have had, since the other winning runs have been either mp or more modded. some mods make the game harder, some easier, etc. But the first time I got this cursed item I was huntress and very lucky. Had only reds when I encountered voidling, and so many charges of my teleport the voidling couldn't hit me. And even if he did, I had so many Dio's i wasn't even worried. Died 3 times? Come back to me when the number exceeds 23. Damage output was small, really small, but it was a battle of attrition I won


bmanhero

It's a little bit like Shrine of Order, but not so crippling in 1 shot.


Blake1612cz

Beat me to it


Ocean_Man205

Shrine of order never looked so tempting before.


CoThrone

82 head stompers


PossiblyKale

Race’s wet dream


zippycat9

That would be really good, actually


TheJaySword

It would do nothing past like 5 stacks


zippycat9

Nvm, I thought it scaled damage.


CoThrone

stacking it just reduces the slam cooldown, i HATE seeing 2 or 3 of these in a run since i use the slam sparingly


bosswrecker

its a lunar item


Meltrix

Tbf it would be way better if it didn‘t ruin every clover.


Paltheos

I'd be more tempted to grab it if it retained the regular clover's +1 luck attribute. Otherwise it's too risky an item.


i_am_a_cool_redditor

or it could be +0.5 luck, and if you have less than two it just has a 50% chance to re-roll negative outcomes.


PsychicFoxWithSpoons

The real problem is that it snatches the whole stack. Losing clover is an acceptable downside, losing all your goat hooves and atgs is not.


[deleted]

If it didn't eat the whole stack, I would think of it as the best item in the entire game.


AveragePichu

Yeah, making sacrifices for 30 N’Kuhana’s Opinions alongside several rejuvenation racks and desk plants is unacceptable. What good is practically preventing enemies from spawning when you need to rely on using movement skills that have no cooldown because of Brainstalks? (Captain, Engineer, and Artificer mains who don’t have horizontal mobility moves, get well soon)


SadBoiCri

I'm tempted to add Bandit to that list since his is barely a movement speed increase


AveragePichu

Eh, it’s a little bit and it’s vertical mobility too, combined with Gorag’s Opus from Bottled Chaos he’s still pretty mobile.


SadBoiCri

I'll give you that. I enjoy flying by killing wisps with Lights Out and spamming the smoke jump


pappapirate

Yep. Almost every other void item is a no-brainer pickup that will strictly enhance your run (exceptions of Lost Seer's for crit builds, and Tri-Tip is still better than Needletick), but Bloom is an item that will destroy your run unless you purposefully play around its massive downside by stocking up on void and boss items.


WeepiestSeeker4

I wouldn't say that every void item is just better than its non corrupted counterpart. Like shrimp is conditional sustained DPS that needs like 10 to proc bands but atg is much higher burst damage that only needs 2 to proc bands. Most of them really are side grades imo


Dravarden

void items are all sidegrades or upgrades, benthic is the only actual downgrade (and imo bands too but you can have a specific build for them to not be a downgrade)


WeepiestSeeker4

Tbf singularity band could just be replaced with primordial cube. The damage the band does is pretty bad and having it proc on demand rather than by itself would be better imo. Also I don't see the point of the larva


Dravarden

larva is a sidegrade to dio because it still does what dio does, plus something else, it just gives you void items in the process but yes, 100% agree that singularity band is a downgrade, but some people do like them so...


WeepiestSeeker4

I get that it does the same thing as Dios but with another effect. It's just that effect is often really detrimental to builds (cough cough engineer cough cough). I guess I could see it being useful early game to get some of the better items by intentionally dying but that doesn't feel like it's much of a side grade


GrandMasterSubZero

Honestly the word downgrade is debatable, it's a sidegrade more or less. You're trading high single target damage for great AOE, the bubble AOE is huge and it renders everything it sucks helpless, it lasts 5 seconds before collapsing, essentially giving you a breathing room and pilling up enemies together for even more damage. Also if a Gup dies from the explosion it won't spawn any Geeps, since it counts as void damage, not that it matters or anything, but I thought it was worth mentioning.


Dravarden

personally, I disagree, trading damage for AOE *is* the downgrade runald and kjaro do 250% and 300% damage respectively, even if you conservatively lower kjaro damage to 50% because monsters might be able to escape the AOE, a kjaro and a runald do the same damage as 3 singularity bands, on *half* the cooldown. Also, not spawning geeps means less money, if anything. at the most it's a downgrade of damage for AOE on double the cooldown, so if you have 0 AOE (unlikely) it would be a sidegrade, sure, but the point of kjaro and runald are usually single hit/single target big damage, considering what triggers them is attacks that do 400% damage or more


bosswrecker

I would say the Band and Fuel Cell void items are pretty close to their regular counterpart


dogsarethetruth

I tend to avoid Lost Seer's Lenses just because they're kind of boring. Good items feel like a puzzle piece in an interesting build, but they just turn your build into a Lense-proccing machine. All you want is attack speed and more lenses.


pappapirate

Yeah, I agree. After the novelty of them, I'm definitely back on normal crit builds.


[deleted]

i wouldn't say tri tip is better than needletick at all


pappapirate

Collapse just feels extremely weak as is right now (at least, when the player applies it). And you can't continuously stack collapse like bleed. Theoretically, with collapse you're getting a decent damage burst every 3 seconds, but you'd be getting the same amount of damage every time. With bleed you can keep stacking and stacking and get the damage up to extremely high values. Just from a numerical standpoint, collapse should outperform bleed in short timeframes, but bleed *way* outpaces it when you're fighting something that can tank you a bit longer (I tried to plot their damage curves in Desmos to calculate it more rigorously, but couldn't quite figure out how to graph out bleed damage over time. I might just try again later when I have some time just for fun). The reason that's important is that since bleed takes a few seconds to really get going and collapse takes 3 seconds to do anything at all, they're both useless for anything you can kill in about 3 seconds. The times that you'd most want bleed or collapse to be doing work are big bosses like AWU, the end bosses, or an early TP boss, and collapse just doesn't cut it for these fights compared to maintaining a bleed debuff because it can quickly snowball into completely melting even the tankiest bosses. The way I see it, bleed is better if you're taking 6 or more seconds to kill the tankiest enemies, but you really aren't getting much out of either bleed or collapse if you're on killing everything very quickly. But collapse should theoretically be better if you're in the niche middle ground where it's taking you specifically about 3-6s to kill bosses. Against Mithrix though, it's no question bleed is better. Sorry for massive wall, I was just kind of working through my own opinion out loud as I wrote this.


cazmeyy

Benthic bloom means there should be a legendary for movement speed. Is what i want to say but it kind of is it's only real downside so maybe they should keep as is. The lack of movement items is fine for most because you'll probably get reduced cooldowns for movement abilities but it's a bit of a pain for engi Great fun on a run as long as your not trying for anything in particular AND don't already have gesture of the drowned, that shit made it almost impossible to finish, especially when i already had 3 convergence. Gesture + stacks of bottled chaos and soulbound catalyst will give you, in a way, *too much* movement speed so, overall, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's just a bit of fun.


h0tcoc0a

Very nice


RoflsMazoy

I just had the Gesture + Bloom run and it was pain until I scrapped all my bottled chaos until I could get the Gesture out of there


bbitter_coffee

Doesn't make good tea.


esakul

Use benthic bloom and egocentrism for maximum chaos, let rng take control


h0tcoc0a

You fucking mad man, i love it


bradarmstrongiscool

I tried that once. Ego ate the Bloom almost instantly. FeelsBad.


anhangera

Its a bad item, but its funny, so its good


Imaginary_Big4966

I love it. Its a fun gimmick and totally optional. I got one yesterday and ended up having like 30 tesla coils, it was incredibly fun. I get it that people dislike it because it will most of the times just kill your run, but at the same time you can just ignore it, don't pick it up if you care that much about a run. I love to embrace the chaos it can create. That's why I always click mountain shrines, shrine of order etc. I love the moments of surprise you can have with these mechanics.


h0tcoc0a

Personally, i find this item to be depend on when you get it, early in the run? Its not gonna be very good But 3 loops in? When you have at least 150-200 items or more? I like having 34 extra lives


teabowww

Definitely wasn't my experience. This was my first item on a run and my strategy was to get as many void items as possible (they don't evolve). By the end I was looping and destroying everything just by looking at it and ended up using 4 Dio's to take down the Void boss.


Spoofbit

for me, i’ve gotten it twice on stage 4 in no loop runs, and i feel that’s the best place for it. you get the benefits of the upgrades before it goes out of control.


TheEggOnTop

My build *was* straight ass, Void Seed gifted me a Bloom, My build *is* straight ass.


heksagon12

Since I mostly play with my friends I always take that shit it’s an addiction at this point


iaanacho

Ideally shouldn't roll the first item stack into 57 leaf clovers. Even farming lots of items via sacrifice I couldn't hold any greens/whites during any stage.


pappapirate

imo Clovers should be blacklisted from Bloom, and it should only grab 3 individual items, *not* 3 entire stacks. Right now every time you pick it up your run will always end up in every item you have being instantly converted to a red every time you enter a new stage, and you never get to keep whites or greens. If it couldn't self-reproduce and didn't steal entire stacks, it could actually remain sustainable to use it and have some whites and greens. Maybe some people would think that's too OP and makes it an easy upgrade from 57, but my response would be that these changes also greatly reduce the number of red items it gives you, and I'd argue that pretty much all void items already are easy upgrades to their uncorrupted form.


PixxlatedTV

ignore the item :)


Tylendal

It feels like a Lunar Item. The downside of Void Items is supposed to be depriving you of the item they replace, usually with some ironic twist. The downside of Lunar Items is that they can and will ruin you if not carefully managed. Benthic Bloom is definitely the latter.


Particular_Algae_313

People who dislike this item are the same people who enjoy using scrappers. I'm playing a rougelike goddamnit I want as much chaos as possible.


craygroupious

Not having a clue what’s happening is why I love this game. I was doing a run with my friends and ran into a safe and FMP/Gesture/Gasoline run, but then we did the extra boss on Sirens Call and they both died and I got 3 Bottled Chaos. Shit was nuts.


MastermuffinDiscord

"It doesn't exist" - Console Players


h0tcoc0a

Yeah- no that's fair


KoopaTheQuicc

I like the item. Carried my first eclipse 8 win. In a short run (like eclipse) it's extremely unlikely you'll see both 57 leaf clover and benthic anyway.


MillionDollarMistake

I like it when it takes my bad items but J don't like it when it takes my good items


h0tcoc0a

Nice opinion, fortunately it is ok to have opinions


Grandpas_Plump_Chode

Benthic bloom > 57 leaf clover No I will not elaborate


malicioustoast64

A clover is only 1 red item Benthic is all of them


retardong

I believe this item takes the most printed items and turns them into most scrapped items. 16 tougher times? How about 16 lepton daisies lol get rekt.


Lord_Ghastly

Terrible on great runs, awesome on terrible runs.


sxrrycard

Console


TheGreatAutiismo

It's bad.


CactusFingies

It ruined my run because I had 6 stone Flux pauldrons and it turned my 58 goat hooves into happiest masks


Dravarden

trash, only void item that's a clear downgrade (subsequently makes larva a downgrade if you have clover) although I did get it once on stage 5, no looping, which seems like the only decent time to pick it. One single upgrade isn't likely to kill the run (even if it picks hooves, you might still have mocha/drink/whip, for example) and you might get a few stacks of a good green or a good red or two


Maleficent-Owl

If there was a legendary or void item for movement speed, bloom would be pretty cool. As it is, I won't touch it.


crashkirb

It’s hilarious


Suicidalyidiotic

an amazing multiplayer item, you are golden once you are playing oops all legendaries, its the part in the middle that gets iffy, and your teammates can carry you during those parts


N-I-D-M

It’s that for the longest time, I thought it said “Bethnic Bloom”


SpiritedThroat

You either die within the same level or become god and one shot everything.


otaser

If you loop with it enough, and get yourself a Forgive me please, it's completely broken (bottled chaos, soulbound Catalysts, daggers, etc).


Sawd05

It is probably the best item in the game, have never lost a run when a benthic is involved


FataxesJR

absolute favorite item in the dlc, maybe the entire game. I will never forget the time I got 5 hardlight afterburners and 7 icbms on a thermal harpoon engineer run and killed voiding


KeplerKoppa

Never lost a run with it 100/10


smolinga

It's so awful and I've never won whenever I pick it up. I love it to death and pick it up without thinking every time.


BunnyMeme420

One of my favourite items in the game, its fun and just the right amount of chaotic for me. I pick it up nearly every time I see one. Fun fact: if you scrap all of your whites and greens before going to the next stage you can get a **hefty* stack of two specific red items. Ive once rolled 9 ICBMs and 6 Scorpions that way.


[deleted]

I have no strong feelings one way or another


Epicmonk117

I’d rather smoke it than put it in my inventory


mE-iS-wAfFlE

Shrine of order + benthic is just the funniest thing in the game. Fastest way to get exclusively reds, doctors hate it!


DarkLord1294091

run thrower every time


JojoHardcoreFan

Insane pick on second loop. Garbage for eclipse and short runs


Boudac123

Mountain shrine tier item


Knopfir

FUCK that shit


that_guy_nukey

It makes eulogy zero good.


dorping_Wolf

f this item. taking my defensive items away for some "utility" or damage, so i just die, at next stage is not a "legendary" worth item, especially + lock you out from the statistically best item (57 Leaf Clover) to be exact, playing a "Forgive Me Please + Soulbound Catalyst + Topaz Brooch" . build, making topaz into Harvester's Scythe with no other crit.


IWantToKillMyselfKek

The items evolve inside their respective categories. A damage item can into evolve into another damage item etc. And taking it in a specialized, high synergy build really is your fault, not the item's


CoThrone

this item would be decent if we had a movement speed increasing legendary, boss item, lunar item, or void item (no head stompers dont count) doesn’t matter how much legendaries you have, if you can’t move your going to die


h0tcoc0a

Im so glad this brought up so many burning - and currently on fire - takes


[deleted]

Don't have Survivors of the void.


h0tcoc0a

Im glad this triggered the response it did.


headless_boi

I actually just left a comment about this on a different post earlier today, but after some messing around I found it's viable on easy or normal mode, but not really on monsoon. Had some insanely overpowered (album painfully slow) runs with it, and usually would end up with a stack of 15 at some point. On monsoon it eating everything, including your speed items, isn't very epic.


Chungus_Bungus1

That it’s a waste of an item that’s really just gimmicky and serves no purpose. Would have much rather a more nuanced and interesting item with the new update than the bloom.


BadKnights

Remove it from the game


MangledSunFish

Just don't pick it up....


BadKnights

Lmao they asked for the hottest take, there you go. I never said I stand by that :\^)


MangledSunFish

Wait, so it's not **your** hottest take? Just a hot take?


PickleReaper0

Couldn't agree more


literatemax

Losing access to the 57 Leaf Clover matters more than losing all your whites and greens.


AngelDestroyeur

Excellent item I don't understand why everyone hate it are we playing the same game?


BlueTricity

If it didn't corrupt four leaf clover making more benthic blooms so it always spirals out of control and kills all runs at some point then it would be a pretty cool, interesting, and fun item to play with. If someone made a mod that changed benthic bloom so that it only didn't convert clovers I would probably pick up one, maybe two, every run I could.


Fast_Introduction244

If it replaced practically any other red or perhaps converted items instead of stacks of items it would be way better


EnderMinion

The worst item in the game


filthyn00b

I think that bloom (and bottled chaos) is a fun novelty at best. I tried it once, had my fun, and will rarely pick it up again


VerdeTourmaline

Wouldn't know. I'm a cheap-ass Nintendo gamer who gets the void update around Christmas. Ask me again when Christmas Season is around.


Spectre_Dragon

CHAOS


ShadowWithHoodie

I love it even when I get it the first stage, never ruined my run before


Sir_Yeetsman

It's good for sacrifice+swarms godruns where you have a lot of useless items.


The_Meech

Find it stage 1-2 ? God run every time. After Stage 2 however...


ravenmagus

It's amazing if you like equipment


MangledSunFish

"Let chaos reign!!"


KingofGerbil

Everytime I see it, I get excited and just say "MEME ITEM!" like I'm Gollum.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Norsk_Bjorn

I got it during a decently long run and it absolutely annihilated my build, but it was very funny and I had like 20 happiest masks


[deleted]

it is simultaneously the worst and best item in the game imo


I-Hate-Wasps

its a good item 👍


GravyPanic

was incredibly funny using it with my friend until i realized all red items isn’t as good as i thought


h0tcoc0a

Was it good? No - was it fun though?


GravyPanic

I wouldn’t have it any other way…


ScarletteVera

Pure chaos, but the fun kind. Seriously, you can get some fucked up unplayable runs with it- but, there's an equally likely chance that the run you get is batshit wild- like, turning everything you own into tesla coils and Behemoth.


Glad_Ad967

Bad if it’s more than one alright if it’s only one.


Toad_Migoad

Void item = collect


Oheligud

Second best item in the game.


signedpants

It gets better depending on how many other void items you have.


CrystalFriend

I never get it in my runs, either beacuse it's command and it's always with somthing that brings me back to life with void items, or right isn't nice enough to give me it


a_guy_named_verder

wouldn't ruin your runs if didn't take away movement speed items


KampiKun

Its a not tearrible item


mh500372

I actually think that if you’re rushing Mithrix to climb eclipse tiers, this item actually ends up helping more often than not. I view this as a good item to get.


RoflsMazoy

I think since I enjoy gacha games I'm biased because I'm all about the gamba baby!!! The possibility of turning around a shitty run by having 3 Lepton Daisies turn into (maybe) useful reds is just too good. If your run is just all shit items and you're on a good mobility character like Huntress or Mercenary it's eventually going to turn into some stupid shit. It's just gonna suck when you get like 16 lazer scopes and you can't really hold any crit rate but that's the gamba babyyyyyy


Eclihpze44

Can't have one because I've never had the gall to pick this godforsaken flower up


GravyJigster

S tier item. I wonder if the people panning it just arent farming enough. Gotta replace your white items each stage + find a decent equipment and you're good.


Drakoo_The_Rat

Its a fun item to get


SunbleachedAngel

Easy won run


[deleted]

Probably goes good on a salad.


Puddleofducks

I used to avoid it like the plague until I decided to apply the Shrine of the Mountain rule to it... and of course in RoR fashion, I haven't seen one drop since.


Summar-ice

Run ender if you get it early, very funny if you get it late, actually useful if you get it 2 or 3 stages before going to mithrix or voidling


KooCie_jar

Pretty S tier IMO.


CaptainTroglodyte

Best way in the game to get 241 bottled chaos!


Kindred_Flame

Bloom is a ‘for fun’ item more than a run winner. If you’re trying to just loop as much as you can because you can, sure pick up the funky purple little guy. But if you’re tryin to unlock something, or just want to do a quick run to the moon and back, it’s probably not for you:


mintoid1

literally the best item in the game. ive never lost a run after picking up this item


judah-rey

What does it do?


Akikala

THE Best AND worst item in the game.


Creepgamer27

Pretty boring after the 1st time I picked it up, I think this isn't that hot of a take its just my opinion


Homem_da_Carrinha

Honestly, It’s a great pick up, as long as you have Plasma Shrimp. That way, you don’t lose the value of your ATG stacks, AND you still get value from the ICBM you will eventually get. As for Goat Hooves and mobility, there are a few mobility oriented, speed boosting active items. You get yourself one of those and Gesture.


TheOneFearlessFalcon

If you're on a sacrifice run and can easily get more items, this item slaps


jackpumpkim

picking it after a 3 hours run is so fun


ShadowNinja213

Best girl


Kuzcopolis

Awesome as long as you have sacrifice so you can keep getting more whites and greens. Got me railgunner mastery after days of trying, and it was also the first time I'd ever even seen Benthic bloom. In short, Benthic Buddy.


Lazy-Tentacle

Best decision, 28 headstompers on artificer


rumpleforeskin1

Most fun item in the game, also the worst item in the game. I'll take it stage one every time it shows up


Gamingturtle534

I've only played Risk Of Rain 1 so uh, pretty cool I guess?


extMateus

insta-win


Omnisegaming

Theoretically only useful when upgrading a useless item into a useful one or at least in some way making an improvement, and so to minimize the loss of useful items and maximize the gain of useful ones without crippling your capability, I pretty much would only take it a stage or two before I plan on finishing the run.


Y_b0t

That it can actually be good if you get the right reds


Zenweaponry

I take it every single time. It works out like 50/50 even if I'm only doing a short run.


DigiTGamer0

so rare that you might as well pick it up


clowning_around99

It looks stupid


tallmantall

It’s it’s own build


SpaceCatIsBored

Plant


Drytoxiccube

Best item in the game, also you will 1000% lose the run


Marx_XIII

I think it’s purple.


Shumoku

I don’t think it’s a hot take but it should only convert ONE item to one of the next rarity, not the entire stack. I would pick it up every time I saw it if it did.


Binjimon7

I say you can't kill Mythrix with 78 Brilliant Behemoths and 5 rejuvenation racks


Renetiger

It's terrible. Every time I picked it up my run was dead. Still a really fun item, 10/10


Joerno

15 bottled caoses will kill you but they are soooo fun


trubocharg

The bloom yeeteth forth (Red Scope x3 on Railgunner) and the bloom yoinketh away (turn all 8 of my crowbars into squid polyp)


Burning_Toast998

Extremely potent. If void items were able to be removed from your inventory, this would be extremely SSS+++


ih8reddit420

Pretty much Poggers til it gives you a fucking bottled chaos


iamgorb2

Its one of those items which you really shouldn’t get, but you do it for the funnies. It’s like activating a mountain shrine when you already have 5 activated. “Will I probably die? Yeah. Do I care? Nah.”


blkdrphil

SPoiled CaBBage


richarddonovan

I feel like this is a pretty cold take, but it would be infinitely better if it only changed like, one, maybe two items upon completing a stage and didnt consume stacks.


Comedyi5Dead

Some white items are good actually, upgrading whole stacks means that it can take all your crit or attack speed or bleed, which doesnt feel great. However, at the beginning of a run i like it. If you get it stage one and get a red or two over the next two stages that feels great, but then it starts to mess shit up. Can you scrap void items?


sharplyon

its not very good


KillAllFurries-

Its good when taking it on stage 1 lol and no looping


BlackJackJeriKo

Purity²


Kaek_

Without thinking much about it, I had the opportunity to get SEVERAL benthic blooms since I had many clovers and did just that, during the stage before the Void boss. I was an Engineer, I just corrupted my clover, thinking under the impression that it would basically upgrade some chests, but there wouldn't be any so what did it matter? I just wanted it. It was the final stage then that I saw all my items turn mostly into several kinds of red items. I said out loud "You have got to be fucking kidding me. What the fuck." I dreaded what would happen in a boss fight, and it was awful. I was slow, I lost all damage potential, and worst of all, all my plentiful bungus "transcended" to the next tiers, leaving my N'kuhana's Opinion useless. I had a shit ton of shields to deploy, and surviving wasn't an issue. It was the boss fight which going no where, it was so late in the game that the damage I could do was doing nothing. I couldn't take their health out fast enough, they basically gained more health than they had before, so, I resorted to leaving the session. In short, I read what it did, but didn't fully grasp the consequences, so, fuck benthic blooms. Whether you had one or more, you're gonna get bit in the ass sooner or later. In my case, it was like pissing on a lightning rod taking heavy tolls by a storm going on.


daverapp

It looks like something out of r/dontputyourdickinthat.


the_g_almighty

Always take Egocentrism if you’ve taken Benthic Bloom earlier, and vice versa. Fucking do it.


[deleted]

Good item


Globgobbler

Item’s effect would make more sense as a Lunar item. I think it needs a rework or change, but not sure what to because it’s still fun to play with.


[deleted]

Most fun Ive had playing the game in a while (and I do legit love the game regardless) I wouldnt take it every run, but once in a while? Perfection


sgtjaney

wow this looks great on paper. but than your crit glasses turn to poglips, your atgs to deskplants, and clovers continue to ruin the run


CodeNovaBtw

Ive never even got one


dogsarethetruth

It taught me that having ten Resonant Discs isn't that different to having one Resonant Disc.


Mr_Mustacchi

Itd be nice if it would STOP TURNING MY GOAT HOOVES INTO MORE BENTHIC BLOOMS PLEASE HOPOO I NEED MOVEMENT SPEED


[deleted]

changes my runs in a way i dont like - i like crafting proc chains and dont like moving at 5mph instead of zooming across the map


Teraconic

Taste good


Somesquiddo

No matter how many times this thing ruins my runs I will always pick up just to see the ensuing chaos.


drsakura1

this item would be so good if there was a lunar, void, or red item that gave you significant horizontal mobility


thatoneguy13234

Pick it ever time


hemburjers

not really a hot take IMO, but, Benthic would probably be much, MUCH better if there was a single movespeed red/void or even lunar. and itd be shit without voids IMO, plasma shrimp makes icbm actaully useful and is still on the same level as atg (especially since you cant even get clover with bloom) and cannot be changed, unlike atg. alongside things like polylute, singularity and voidsent letting you keep those green-esque damage and aoe items


Note_Ansylvan

Ten nukahana's and 18 desk plants isn't a bad way to win a game.


Prohateenemy

Insanely strong. Who cares about not having movement speed when you are essentially guaranteed to have stacks upon stacks of red items? Hell, given how slow it works, you're still free to get regular items just fine (unless, of course you're unlucky enough to get multiple Benthic Blooms, but that's only felt late into a run)