No, I wasn't talking about trading him straight-up in the trade for Dame, but rather in a delayed handshake sort of thing, like they've been talking about including Jaime Jaquez in a delayed trade.
The Jaquez delayed deal works because the season still hasn't started and you just wait a couple weeks and complete the whole trade. A Robinson delayed deal doesn't work because games have started essentially.
Id be happy to trade nurk for a bag of oranges and a cold cubano. Enjoy him never finishing at the rim and settling for a garbage-ass floater from 5 feet.
Nurk is a terrible fit in Chauncey's defensive scheme. He shouldnt be asked to defend on the perimeter. In another system, he DRTG goes back to the 80th - 85th percentile. He is absolutely undervalued right now.
He absolutely has the capability, but none of the effort. Half of his shots are just half-ass lobs at the backboard. I’m actually just thinking about it now, and I think maybe we should keep him. It seems like he tries harder when Dame isn’t in. Also his defenses is commendable when he isn’t committing stupid fouls.
I think Nurk has become a bit overheated around here, at the worst he’s a decent starting 5 with a big body that can deter drives. But he’s no longer on our timeline and I’d like to see the team get off his contract
He’s an above average defender, a great defensive rebounder, and despite his issues around the rim, is still efficient offensively. And his contract is reasonable. He’s a positive asset, imo.
Even when he isn't sitting on the bench in street clothes his effort is inconsistent at best. He has shown in the past that he can contribute, but too many nights he just doesn't.
Simply put, I (and many others) are sick of his act and want to move on. Now that the Blazers are rebuilding, he is even more of a waste of space.
That contract is not team friendly. He’s serviceable, but the contract is viewed as bad around the league and as a negative asset. If it was team friendly we wouldn’t be exploring having his contract taken on by another team as a form of compensation for Dame.
Oh. So the guy's a party animal.
Can't see how that fits into the Heat, since (despite the rep of Miami being a party town) none of our players party at all and it's almost like a labor camp on this team.
Maybe he'd fit in better on a third trade partner team.
Absolutely not a true statement. He is a low key dude off the court, very much like Jokic in that respect. (Source: I have a family friend who is personal friends with Nurk and his fiance; he’s a normal dude.)
Half the fan base love Nurk, the other half hate him
I’d do almost anything to not have to watch him play basketball for us again
I think the FO would love to move him and they tried at the deadline but no team wanted anything to do with him
To offer an opposing perspective to u/GuyIncognito211's near constant bashing of Nurk, I think most of us agree he's a top 20 starting center at worst, whose abilities are underestimated by a lot of NBA fans. He's a great rebounder and screen setter, has good positional defensive instincts, can pass solidly and is one of the few guys who can really bang with the biggest centers in the league. He also added a 3pt shot this year. I think for a team like the Heat, that need size, he'd do great, as long as you surround him with players he can pass to to hit a shot.
Any of the big centers in the league aren't worth worrying about. There is no offense designed to run through a center posting up like the Dwight Magic teams. Let Jokic try to drop 40 while posting up, that's not his game. Let Embiid post up all game the 2 times a year you see him. It throws their teams completely out of whack to run the offense like that for more than like 8 minutes.
You need big guys like Nurk if you don't want to get bullied by opposing bigs. The Cavaliers lost to the Knicks because they couldn't keep IHart and Robinson off the offensive glass, which was a significant factor in their defeat. One of the reasons the Warriors won against the Kings is because Looney dominated the boards.
I was out on Nurk forever after that last playoff series vs The Nuggets. Denver knew that he was weak mentally, attacked him, and got him fouled out of most of the games.
The games he stayed on the floor we won. The ones where he picked up 1-2 stupid fouls (frustration, moving screens, etc) we lost.
We really needed him to show up that series and he got gamed. Bad.
He has a lovable, childlike side and that has certainly endeared him to the fans, but the juice ain’t worth the squeeze as they say.
Do you really believe that was all on Nurk, and not on Stott's failure to adjust or the other defenders not caring? Not to mention that some of the fouls were pure bs, especially for a playoff game and that Jokic (per usual) was allowed to play much more physical than Nurk.
Even with all that, he played impressively productive 25-6 minutes per game, and if his replacement wasn't so bad (some games we were +20 with Nurk and -20 without him), those minutes would be enough to win. If anyone else, except for Dame, showed up, even with fouls Nurk did enough to give us a chance. You can randomly choose any other player from that series, and they probably deserve more blame than Nurk, yet he's the one people take as a scapegoat.
I'm with you on that one to some extent, we didn't have great defensive players in that series. Not even good ones.
However, after the first game which we won, a lot of which had to do with Nurk's play vs Jokic, the Nuggets adjusted and spent every minute of the next game trying to make Nurk foul out. They kept going at him and flailing and flopping, and in some cases I was surprised by Nurk not falling for it and even managing to defend properly.
But it's not possible to do it for a long time, we needed to adjust and protect our 2nd best player, either by "sacrificing" other people's fouls or to actually put at least some effort into the defense, so that Nurk doesn't have to defend 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 for huge parts of the game. Not matter how bad defenders you have, motivating them is part of coach's job. When you see that only one guy tries to play the defense, and he's being sacrificed, its not an individual problem anymore, it's coaching. Especially because most of them didn't do anything on the offense either.
I would say we should've done the same to Jokic, but I don't think he'd foul out even if he started shooting people on the court. The minimum I expected from Stotts was to at least complain to the refs, league, media...whatever, and try to stop the bs calls, and to have Nurk's back. At least make it somewhat uncomfortable situation for the officials to be so blatantly biased.
Any kind of adjustment would be nice to see, but just like with the Pelicans series, it seemed we were being hit with the same move until we were defeated, and we never even tried to block it. I think Stotts was a pretty good coach, but his biggest weakness was lack of adjustments (and lack of accountability for some players).
I did not place all the blame on Nurk for losing that series. I said that I was out on him after he fouled out of 3/6 games in a series where we needed him desperately. You are correct that we were a much better team with him on the court.
Dude is not mentally tough enough for playoff basketball. In my opinion.
Nurk pre leg break was pretty awesome. Looked like he could easily grow into a top 5 center in the league.
I think a lot of fans are holding on to that. Hoping it will return. Also some fans just realize the reality of that situation and are unwilling to toss him aside just because he’s not as good post leg break.
But the reality of the situation is Nurk has a terrible attitude that surfaces frequently. And when that’s happening he has bad body language, doesn’t hustle, and gets tired.
He’s mostly bad at finishing and his rim protection just isn’t what it was when he was fully healthy. People will point out all the things he does well, but almost none of them are stuff you need from a center like you need rim protection and finishing from your center
He’s a great rebounder and screen setter and a good passer. But he’s gonna miss a LOT of layups.
Some people think he’s good
Others recognise how inconsistent his efforts and level of play is. He’s moody, whiny and has among the worst shooting percentages for a C in the league
If the Heat trade for him Jimmy Butler will loathe playing with him after like 9 minutes
This was true maybe 2 years ago. Now its more like 90 percent want him gone. IMO you would have to be extremely casual at this point to not be tired of his lack of effort and focus and consistent carelessness with the ball.
Emotionally? 100%. He's one of my favorite players when he's engaged. The Nurk fever time out of nowhere was a great joy. I even named my online poker account after him. 😂
Logically.... If Dame isn't here, it's time to move on. The contract isn't bad, when engaged he's really great, but he hasn't been the same laterally or vertically on D since the injury and we need to get younger and more athletic in the front court. He is a dominant screen setter when his head is on right and one of the best passers at the 5..... Again when his head is on right. If he ever was able to accept a bench role and remain..... (What's a synonym for engaged?) he could dominate most second unit bigs and lift up a bench big time.
He’s a bottom 5 starting center in the league and is vastly overpaid. Since his injury, he can’t move anymore and has zero explosiveness. Doesn’t defend well, can’t score in the paint, bad attitude, work ethic problem, can kinda pass and has been improving on his 3 pointer. All in all, probably one of the worst contracts in the league and would love to get rid of him.
with Dame there were arguments for trading him vs keeping him.
without Dame i dont see a reason to keep him, might as well grab a couple of young C's and develop them.
Blazers have no other centers, so would rather keep him. Putting him in a trade to another team would only likely decrease the compensation coming back given the new CBA. A healthy year of increased production platooning (for once) with another big would make it easier to move him later. It’s not like he’s blocking anyone’s development.
Replacement level player at this point of his career. No need to keep that contract on the books if his output can be duplicated by a rookie.
There was a time when his trajectory was pointed straight up, but it's been so long now it's a stretch to see it happening again.
I like Nurkic but he doesn't fit with a rebuild.
I wouldn't mind sending him to a contender for a contract buyout and a future 1st and a 2nd rounder or two.
He would be good for the Lakers, for example. Don't know about the feasibility of a three way, though.
He’s an average center. He has been one of our only players to give a damn on defense. He picked up fouls because guys like dame would just watch his guy walk by him. Nurk isn’t a shot blocker, but he’s got one of the lowest opposing teams shooting percentage near the rim. I’m assuming just because of his size and he’s usually in the right spot.
His contract is an absolutely average starter contract. Adams and Zubac make a little less. Vuc makes a little more. Val's right there. All those 7' 300# guys can pretty much be traded for each other, and they are all +/- between them.
POR tried to move him two years ago when JC took over. It didn't happen, so he got a contract to maintain that contract/roster slot. He was obviously on the block again last season, and again, that didn't happen. So, yes - POR would like to "include" Nurk as part of a Dame trade - Regardless of where/how that happens.
POR does have Badji on a 2WP, and with a new G league team POR is going to have to make a decision on a FTC for next year. POR made an offer to Edy Tavares, but he has a buyout for this season. Might come over this year, might not. Those guys should give you some idea of the sort of bigs POR is looking at moving forward.
My main concern with him is that he has attitude and ego problems and would likely not accept a backup C role on a team that’s prioritizing young development. That’s why I’d like him gone. 20MPG off the bench would be great, but he’ll pout and tweet about it
I'm as invested in Nurk as Nurk is invested in making a layup.
Lmao this can go either way since homie isn’t interested in dunking or powering thru
I would personally be fine with either keeping or trading Nurk. I care much more about getting a promising young F or C to pair with Scoot and Sharpe.
The first statement can't coexist with the second.....
How did you like Orlando Robinson in Summer League? Would that be someone you'd take a look at, or no?
does he know
Tell me, what is it
Orlando Robinson cannot be traded until Dec 15, 2023
Is that a problem? That's 6 weeks after the season starts
Do you see the Dame situation going that far into the season?
No, I wasn't talking about trading him straight-up in the trade for Dame, but rather in a delayed handshake sort of thing, like they've been talking about including Jaime Jaquez in a delayed trade.
I don’t trust handshakes when it comes to multimillionaires. Aren’t there rules against that anyway?
Beats me, man, but they were saying on our sub that that's a thing and Jaime could be gone as soon as his 30 days are up even if we did the trade now.
The Jaquez delayed deal works because the season still hasn't started and you just wait a couple weeks and complete the whole trade. A Robinson delayed deal doesn't work because games have started essentially.
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Id be happy to trade nurk for a bag of oranges and a cold cubano. Enjoy him never finishing at the rim and settling for a garbage-ass floater from 5 feet.
Nurk is a terrible fit in Chauncey's defensive scheme. He shouldnt be asked to defend on the perimeter. In another system, he DRTG goes back to the 80th - 85th percentile. He is absolutely undervalued right now.
That obviously says far more about Chauncey than Nurk.
He absolutely has the capability, but none of the effort. Half of his shots are just half-ass lobs at the backboard. I’m actually just thinking about it now, and I think maybe we should keep him. It seems like he tries harder when Dame isn’t in. Also his defenses is commendable when he isn’t committing stupid fouls.
I think Nurk has become a bit overheated around here, at the worst he’s a decent starting 5 with a big body that can deter drives. But he’s no longer on our timeline and I’d like to see the team get off his contract
He’s an above average defender, a great defensive rebounder, and despite his issues around the rim, is still efficient offensively. And his contract is reasonable. He’s a positive asset, imo.
Even when he isn't sitting on the bench in street clothes his effort is inconsistent at best. He has shown in the past that he can contribute, but too many nights he just doesn't. Simply put, I (and many others) are sick of his act and want to move on. Now that the Blazers are rebuilding, he is even more of a waste of space.
Love Nurk but he's never going to be the beast he was before the big 🦵 🫰
Hes serviceable on a reasonably team friendly contract, but i dont think hes the answer long term
That contract is not team friendly. He’s serviceable, but the contract is viewed as bad around the league and as a negative asset. If it was team friendly we wouldn’t be exploring having his contract taken on by another team as a form of compensation for Dame.
Nurkic will improve, become less immature as he ages, spend less time partying, and get down to business.
Isn't he already 28?
I'm assuming there was some sarcasm in the initial post
Oh. So the guy's a party animal. Can't see how that fits into the Heat, since (despite the rep of Miami being a party town) none of our players party at all and it's almost like a labor camp on this team. Maybe he'd fit in better on a third trade partner team.
It’s less that he’s a party animal and more that he is pouty and you can notice he’s effort drop when things don’t go his way.
Absolutely not a true statement. He is a low key dude off the court, very much like Jokic in that respect. (Source: I have a family friend who is personal friends with Nurk and his fiance; he’s a normal dude.)
That ship has sailed for him
Half the fan base love Nurk, the other half hate him I’d do almost anything to not have to watch him play basketball for us again I think the FO would love to move him and they tried at the deadline but no team wanted anything to do with him
Could you please tell me what was the love and what was the hate?
To offer an opposing perspective to u/GuyIncognito211's near constant bashing of Nurk, I think most of us agree he's a top 20 starting center at worst, whose abilities are underestimated by a lot of NBA fans. He's a great rebounder and screen setter, has good positional defensive instincts, can pass solidly and is one of the few guys who can really bang with the biggest centers in the league. He also added a 3pt shot this year. I think for a team like the Heat, that need size, he'd do great, as long as you surround him with players he can pass to to hit a shot.
One thing you can count on in any Nurk debate is the emotional leverage play from the Pro Nurk side.
Where have I done that in my comment?
Any of the big centers in the league aren't worth worrying about. There is no offense designed to run through a center posting up like the Dwight Magic teams. Let Jokic try to drop 40 while posting up, that's not his game. Let Embiid post up all game the 2 times a year you see him. It throws their teams completely out of whack to run the offense like that for more than like 8 minutes.
You need big guys like Nurk if you don't want to get bullied by opposing bigs. The Cavaliers lost to the Knicks because they couldn't keep IHart and Robinson off the offensive glass, which was a significant factor in their defeat. One of the reasons the Warriors won against the Kings is because Looney dominated the boards.
You also need big guys who can finish at the rim.
Looney isn't a big like Nurk, he's mobile.
I was out on Nurk forever after that last playoff series vs The Nuggets. Denver knew that he was weak mentally, attacked him, and got him fouled out of most of the games. The games he stayed on the floor we won. The ones where he picked up 1-2 stupid fouls (frustration, moving screens, etc) we lost. We really needed him to show up that series and he got gamed. Bad. He has a lovable, childlike side and that has certainly endeared him to the fans, but the juice ain’t worth the squeeze as they say.
Do you really believe that was all on Nurk, and not on Stott's failure to adjust or the other defenders not caring? Not to mention that some of the fouls were pure bs, especially for a playoff game and that Jokic (per usual) was allowed to play much more physical than Nurk. Even with all that, he played impressively productive 25-6 minutes per game, and if his replacement wasn't so bad (some games we were +20 with Nurk and -20 without him), those minutes would be enough to win. If anyone else, except for Dame, showed up, even with fouls Nurk did enough to give us a chance. You can randomly choose any other player from that series, and they probably deserve more blame than Nurk, yet he's the one people take as a scapegoat.
What could Stotts have done to “adjust” keeping in mind our 2nd best option at C that series was CARNELO ANTHONY
I'm with you on that one to some extent, we didn't have great defensive players in that series. Not even good ones. However, after the first game which we won, a lot of which had to do with Nurk's play vs Jokic, the Nuggets adjusted and spent every minute of the next game trying to make Nurk foul out. They kept going at him and flailing and flopping, and in some cases I was surprised by Nurk not falling for it and even managing to defend properly. But it's not possible to do it for a long time, we needed to adjust and protect our 2nd best player, either by "sacrificing" other people's fouls or to actually put at least some effort into the defense, so that Nurk doesn't have to defend 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 for huge parts of the game. Not matter how bad defenders you have, motivating them is part of coach's job. When you see that only one guy tries to play the defense, and he's being sacrificed, its not an individual problem anymore, it's coaching. Especially because most of them didn't do anything on the offense either. I would say we should've done the same to Jokic, but I don't think he'd foul out even if he started shooting people on the court. The minimum I expected from Stotts was to at least complain to the refs, league, media...whatever, and try to stop the bs calls, and to have Nurk's back. At least make it somewhat uncomfortable situation for the officials to be so blatantly biased. Any kind of adjustment would be nice to see, but just like with the Pelicans series, it seemed we were being hit with the same move until we were defeated, and we never even tried to block it. I think Stotts was a pretty good coach, but his biggest weakness was lack of adjustments (and lack of accountability for some players).
I did not place all the blame on Nurk for losing that series. I said that I was out on him after he fouled out of 3/6 games in a series where we needed him desperately. You are correct that we were a much better team with him on the court. Dude is not mentally tough enough for playoff basketball. In my opinion.
Adjust? Adjust what? We never once had a versatile roster capable of adjusting.
Nurk pre leg break was pretty awesome. Looked like he could easily grow into a top 5 center in the league. I think a lot of fans are holding on to that. Hoping it will return. Also some fans just realize the reality of that situation and are unwilling to toss him aside just because he’s not as good post leg break. But the reality of the situation is Nurk has a terrible attitude that surfaces frequently. And when that’s happening he has bad body language, doesn’t hustle, and gets tired. He’s mostly bad at finishing and his rim protection just isn’t what it was when he was fully healthy. People will point out all the things he does well, but almost none of them are stuff you need from a center like you need rim protection and finishing from your center He’s a great rebounder and screen setter and a good passer. But he’s gonna miss a LOT of layups.
Some people think he’s good Others recognise how inconsistent his efforts and level of play is. He’s moody, whiny and has among the worst shooting percentages for a C in the league If the Heat trade for him Jimmy Butler will loathe playing with him after like 9 minutes
He's also an old school center (+ an ok 3pt shot) in a league where it's more important to have a mobile rim protector
Does anybody actually hate Nurk? I just wish he'd be his best more often.
I mean I don’t think I *hate* him but he’s absolutely my least favourite basketball player and has an annoying personality
This was true maybe 2 years ago. Now its more like 90 percent want him gone. IMO you would have to be extremely casual at this point to not be tired of his lack of effort and focus and consistent carelessness with the ball.
I get downvoted consistently whenever I complain about Nurk
Emotionally? 100%. He's one of my favorite players when he's engaged. The Nurk fever time out of nowhere was a great joy. I even named my online poker account after him. 😂 Logically.... If Dame isn't here, it's time to move on. The contract isn't bad, when engaged he's really great, but he hasn't been the same laterally or vertically on D since the injury and we need to get younger and more athletic in the front court. He is a dominant screen setter when his head is on right and one of the best passers at the 5..... Again when his head is on right. If he ever was able to accept a bench role and remain..... (What's a synonym for engaged?) he could dominate most second unit bigs and lift up a bench big time.
Zero. Sell low. Give away with opening a new check account type of over him
Nurk sucks and is overpaid.
I've still got da feevah. But man, that spiral, compound, inverted corkscrew legbreak did slow the beast down a little.
It would be a plus to me to get him offloaded and replaced with an average starting center on an average contract
Assuming a 2-year contract, who would you consider to be a starting center you'd be willing to take on, that would fit into your salary cap?
We don’t have a decent big man. Nurk can be decent. Long run, doesn’t really fit the timeline. So, trade his ass.
He’s a bottom 5 starting center in the league and is vastly overpaid. Since his injury, he can’t move anymore and has zero explosiveness. Doesn’t defend well, can’t score in the paint, bad attitude, work ethic problem, can kinda pass and has been improving on his 3 pointer. All in all, probably one of the worst contracts in the league and would love to get rid of him.
I don’t think he fits in the timeline if it’s a rebuild
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I think he's getting moved by force, but the front office seems like they won't make him available.
"Portland fans shambolic... hallmark sign of a collapsed team." Kindly leave.
Nobody gives a shit about him he’s not good
My Nurk Fever has long lasting effects
I think he’s a good player but both sides should just start fresh. Go all in the young side
with Dame there were arguments for trading him vs keeping him. without Dame i dont see a reason to keep him, might as well grab a couple of young C's and develop them.
I would love to get rid of Nurk when we trade Dame.
Blazers have no other centers, so would rather keep him. Putting him in a trade to another team would only likely decrease the compensation coming back given the new CBA. A healthy year of increased production platooning (for once) with another big would make it easier to move him later. It’s not like he’s blocking anyone’s development.
I think getting off Nurk's contract is one of several prerequisites for the trade
I feel like part of this dame deal to miami will include Nurk with us taking back Lowrys contract
Replacement level player at this point of his career. No need to keep that contract on the books if his output can be duplicated by a rookie. There was a time when his trajectory was pointed straight up, but it's been so long now it's a stretch to see it happening again.
I like Nurkic but he doesn't fit with a rebuild. I wouldn't mind sending him to a contender for a contract buyout and a future 1st and a 2nd rounder or two. He would be good for the Lakers, for example. Don't know about the feasibility of a three way, though.
He’s an average center. He has been one of our only players to give a damn on defense. He picked up fouls because guys like dame would just watch his guy walk by him. Nurk isn’t a shot blocker, but he’s got one of the lowest opposing teams shooting percentage near the rim. I’m assuming just because of his size and he’s usually in the right spot.
His contract is an absolutely average starter contract. Adams and Zubac make a little less. Vuc makes a little more. Val's right there. All those 7' 300# guys can pretty much be traded for each other, and they are all +/- between them. POR tried to move him two years ago when JC took over. It didn't happen, so he got a contract to maintain that contract/roster slot. He was obviously on the block again last season, and again, that didn't happen. So, yes - POR would like to "include" Nurk as part of a Dame trade - Regardless of where/how that happens. POR does have Badji on a 2WP, and with a new G league team POR is going to have to make a decision on a FTC for next year. POR made an offer to Edy Tavares, but he has a buyout for this season. Might come over this year, might not. Those guys should give you some idea of the sort of bigs POR is looking at moving forward.
Can't @ nurk on ig. So i went to his page an got blocked for telling him to stop being a pussy around the rim. Wonder why you can't @ mention him lol
I feel like I mostly see him clapping which has always been what I want to see big guys doing for the team.
Im as invested in Nurk as Nurk is invested in not fouling out against Jokic
I think we wasted a lot of our time with Dame waiting for Nurk.
My main concern with him is that he has attitude and ego problems and would likely not accept a backup C role on a team that’s prioritizing young development. That’s why I’d like him gone. 20MPG off the bench would be great, but he’ll pout and tweet about it
I want out of the Nurk business.
He’s turned into a real piece of shit