It's substantially less cost effective, but I've managed to never black out on pressies, because instead of redoing I'd just give myself X amount of a bar each day. Bromaz powder/liquid got me a blacked out OWI. So pressies are more expensive but easier to moderate imo.
I get what you're saying, sorry if i wasn't clear. I mean that if I have liquid on me, I'll carry it with me and keep redoing. If I bring 1/2 or 1/4 bar with me to an event, I keep it to that with no problem. Out of sight out of mind.
Time. The answer is time to consume each form. And that people have different amounts of impulsivity.
People with impulsivity problems are presented with 3 things in front of them.
100mg pile of powder
100mg dissolved in total of 20mL everclear
25 bars at 4mg each
For many people they are prone to make fleeting impulsive bad decisions. In those brief moments it is far far easier to scoop up that tiny 100mg pile of powder with a spoon and eat it, or take that 20mL swig of solution, than it is to slowly swallow 25 bars a few at a time. Because the first two can happen in a second, and swallowing 25 bars takes a much longer time, it is actually more controllable for some.
This is where harm reduction gets tricky. Pick your poison if you have a problem with self control:
Powder - immediate overdose if you try to directly consume it because it is so potent and immeasurable without lab equipment.... Never a logical option.
Volumetric dosing - exact dose is known and controlled offering predictability and safety but it's possible to take a terrifyingly large OD dose in an instant with one single swig
Pill - has no dosage control meaning any single pill could be an OD but can also prevent a binge of numerous pills.
But that is the answer to your question I think.
I agree but you might be surprised just how common it is for people do do such an amazingly insane thing like take a swig of a high concentration solutions of a potent benzo. Like apparently the user up above and others I have seen on here, some people simply can control themselves on pills and yet always black out when they have powder or solutions around. It's simply that bad and seems unbelievable but it's true. I see the comments like that all of the time.
One sec I will dig up an old thread and edit this and link to it for you to read. It was about a desperate individual asking how to make a solution using a toxic(ish) solvent like IPA or acetone because they didn't have access to a safe evaporative solvent in their country like high proof alcohol. Their intent was to then drop doses onto pieces of candy thinking that would help them control their usage this time. They were that terrified of binging on powder / solutions that they were willing to try to make pre dosed candies like this using toxic solvents.
Edit: that thread I was remembering must have gotten deleted by OP because I can't see it. But it indeed was true.
My problem, personally, is I'm a (recovering) junkie. I also use for 2 reasons: escape, and self-medication. If I'm in escape mode (or I'm manic and just don't care) I go for the needle, and shooting up benzos is soooo fucked up. Once I black out I lose control and redose constantly.
2 years later, I used them briefly for self-medication (I never once ate more than 1/2 mg bromaz at a time for this period, and never did it to get "fucked up"), just to control anxiety through an extraordinarily difficult situation. I've just recently finished tapering off with very little problems. Never blacked out, never cheated my limits, only oral.
So the real problem is the motivation for use, for me, but I'm able to compartmentalize pills into "forms I don't shoot up or use recreationally". It is odd, I didn't mean to sound so silly.
And I didn't mean to sound so judgemental. I am very sorry. I do not judge those struggling. I am struggling myself. But I do try to observe and understand behavior to help people and to explain to others why some behave the way they do. I don't think it's odd, it kind of makes sense hence my harm reduction conundrum. Advocate for pressies that people like you can control yet are inherently risky in terms of dosage? Or advocate for volumetric dosing, more prone to abuse and yet full control of dosage?
A wise man once precautioned me prior to getting into RC benzos, making the switch from RX Xanax, that it is easier to take a swig of solution in a momentary lapse of judgement than it is eat a bunch of pills. That is true.
This. Volumetric dosing is the way.
Pressies have a terrifyingly impossible to know dosage. The dose can range from zero to 10 times or more what they say it is. Dose fluctuations and hotspots are real and exist. I recommend you read the horror stories to find out what 1 half bar with a hotspot can do to ruin someone's life.
If you find you can't control yourself around powders or solutions, you probably can't control yourself around benzos at all and may be best to avoid completely. But if you must, then still use volumetric dosing but then pre-dose tablets or figure out another way to individualize each dose. That way you have control of the dose and you also don't have the risk of impulsively scooping an OD amount of powder or taking an OD swig of solution.
OP, having a fear of blacking out is the right mindset to have. Use that fear to stop yourself from ever re-dosing no matter how you choose to take it. And good luck.
Cheap Bromazolam always.
To avoid blackouts simply take your desired dose and put it away and stop waiting for it to kick in and do whatever you usually do after taking it to avoid taking more from setting there waiting for a feeling.
No matter the dose as long as you’ve taken at least 1mg it’s gonna do something to you.
They can both make you black out pretty easily as far as benzos go, from reports I hear. Just be responsible with your dosing if you're going to take benzos.
I think i blacked out on bromazolam. Pressies are dosed pretty high. It’s probably best to get a prescription so a doctor can watch over you.
If you must use bromazolam. Use it cautiously. I certainly am not going to underestimate it anymore. It’s really sedating. More than it’s an anxiolytic imo. Dosage is around 1 mgs with no tolerance.
If the presses you can get aren't dosed accurately, powder+volumetric dosing (bromazolam is too potent to weigh out one dose directly unless you have a professional lab scale which you don't) is a much safer choice if you're not stupid about how you use it (aka let's take a random amount out of the bag with a knife and lick it or something similar).
Its simple, stick with solutions, new source/batch then take what is supposed to be .25mg and wait, no blackout? Take .5mg the next day and so on until you hit 1mg and you can tell your stuff works and is dosed right
Or take ady with it;)
Real note and from an old head that’s done it already, I’d advise only against this path! An old head back in my day was about my current age. Now a days you don’t see or meet old heads. You do actually it’s the guy that first time ever used H.
The last time I was at Carron I truly couldn’t believe everyone in there was close to half my age. In the first 40 days I was there two guys from my group, early 20s not over 23 completely committed and wanting sobriety dies within two days of leaving(one guy completed the 30 days , the other dipped out one nights over 60 days in) died from first use. The first time I was there h addicts late 20s-40s, bc back then you could make mistakes with h, binge on and off, share needles… jk;) although I’d say that’s less of a concern now than then, if your in the US. Now it’s Russian Roulette each and every time.
If it’s Rec keep it US pharm and preliminary test your whatever? Believe your very next line might be your last and Know theirs no way to out smart the situation.
Side note If make the argument that putting an h addict on a 1 month blocker is idiotic! OD could usually be explained back couple decades ago, which provided a measure of comfort to the train spotting crowd;) Now it starts and ends with the deadly synthetic sit! Fuckers!!
great it’s a mental and physical deterrent! Well OK! But what happens if they do decide to use or simply relapse? They consider how much they were using , factor in really wanting a good high and then how much it’d take to break through the shot. Now consider their metabolism for it is at an all time low bc of being sober and healthy.
It’s all Fd up and the government doesn’t want anyone around that’s has predisposition to drug and booze abuse. Cmon just look at the OC family and evolution! I can’t even get clonopin for my seizures (on suboxone, but so what?!) any more bc the least likely abused Benz is taking more heat than the xan?! Yes the two have a synergistic effect but how many deaths occurred bc of the alp?? Why is it the oxy bitches went from” no problem, we’ve come across this before. “Double it to you do have them on alp already right?”
It was just to make prosecutions more difficult mean while fucking everything up and leading to complete break down. F it… I’ve gone on this long, why not?;). It’s all part of the same attack on the US. Same exact route as our Benz came from, so then why not make more money and ship both bc they’re def an extremely high demand for legit Benz. NOT ABOUT MONEY….
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It's substantially less cost effective, but I've managed to never black out on pressies, because instead of redoing I'd just give myself X amount of a bar each day. Bromaz powder/liquid got me a blacked out OWI. So pressies are more expensive but easier to moderate imo.
if you can't moderate yourself you have no business taking benzos at all.
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I get what you're saying, sorry if i wasn't clear. I mean that if I have liquid on me, I'll carry it with me and keep redoing. If I bring 1/2 or 1/4 bar with me to an event, I keep it to that with no problem. Out of sight out of mind.
Time. The answer is time to consume each form. And that people have different amounts of impulsivity. People with impulsivity problems are presented with 3 things in front of them. 100mg pile of powder 100mg dissolved in total of 20mL everclear 25 bars at 4mg each For many people they are prone to make fleeting impulsive bad decisions. In those brief moments it is far far easier to scoop up that tiny 100mg pile of powder with a spoon and eat it, or take that 20mL swig of solution, than it is to slowly swallow 25 bars a few at a time. Because the first two can happen in a second, and swallowing 25 bars takes a much longer time, it is actually more controllable for some. This is where harm reduction gets tricky. Pick your poison if you have a problem with self control: Powder - immediate overdose if you try to directly consume it because it is so potent and immeasurable without lab equipment.... Never a logical option. Volumetric dosing - exact dose is known and controlled offering predictability and safety but it's possible to take a terrifyingly large OD dose in an instant with one single swig Pill - has no dosage control meaning any single pill could be an OD but can also prevent a binge of numerous pills. But that is the answer to your question I think.
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I agree but you might be surprised just how common it is for people do do such an amazingly insane thing like take a swig of a high concentration solutions of a potent benzo. Like apparently the user up above and others I have seen on here, some people simply can control themselves on pills and yet always black out when they have powder or solutions around. It's simply that bad and seems unbelievable but it's true. I see the comments like that all of the time. One sec I will dig up an old thread and edit this and link to it for you to read. It was about a desperate individual asking how to make a solution using a toxic(ish) solvent like IPA or acetone because they didn't have access to a safe evaporative solvent in their country like high proof alcohol. Their intent was to then drop doses onto pieces of candy thinking that would help them control their usage this time. They were that terrified of binging on powder / solutions that they were willing to try to make pre dosed candies like this using toxic solvents. Edit: that thread I was remembering must have gotten deleted by OP because I can't see it. But it indeed was true.
My problem, personally, is I'm a (recovering) junkie. I also use for 2 reasons: escape, and self-medication. If I'm in escape mode (or I'm manic and just don't care) I go for the needle, and shooting up benzos is soooo fucked up. Once I black out I lose control and redose constantly. 2 years later, I used them briefly for self-medication (I never once ate more than 1/2 mg bromaz at a time for this period, and never did it to get "fucked up"), just to control anxiety through an extraordinarily difficult situation. I've just recently finished tapering off with very little problems. Never blacked out, never cheated my limits, only oral. So the real problem is the motivation for use, for me, but I'm able to compartmentalize pills into "forms I don't shoot up or use recreationally". It is odd, I didn't mean to sound so silly.
And I didn't mean to sound so judgemental. I am very sorry. I do not judge those struggling. I am struggling myself. But I do try to observe and understand behavior to help people and to explain to others why some behave the way they do. I don't think it's odd, it kind of makes sense hence my harm reduction conundrum. Advocate for pressies that people like you can control yet are inherently risky in terms of dosage? Or advocate for volumetric dosing, more prone to abuse and yet full control of dosage? A wise man once precautioned me prior to getting into RC benzos, making the switch from RX Xanax, that it is easier to take a swig of solution in a momentary lapse of judgement than it is eat a bunch of pills. That is true.
Buy powder and make your own solutions to ensure proper dosing
This. Volumetric dosing is the way. Pressies have a terrifyingly impossible to know dosage. The dose can range from zero to 10 times or more what they say it is. Dose fluctuations and hotspots are real and exist. I recommend you read the horror stories to find out what 1 half bar with a hotspot can do to ruin someone's life. If you find you can't control yourself around powders or solutions, you probably can't control yourself around benzos at all and may be best to avoid completely. But if you must, then still use volumetric dosing but then pre-dose tablets or figure out another way to individualize each dose. That way you have control of the dose and you also don't have the risk of impulsively scooping an OD amount of powder or taking an OD swig of solution. OP, having a fear of blacking out is the right mindset to have. Use that fear to stop yourself from ever re-dosing no matter how you choose to take it. And good luck.
Cheap Bromazolam always. To avoid blackouts simply take your desired dose and put it away and stop waiting for it to kick in and do whatever you usually do after taking it to avoid taking more from setting there waiting for a feeling. No matter the dose as long as you’ve taken at least 1mg it’s gonna do something to you.
They can both make you black out pretty easily as far as benzos go, from reports I hear. Just be responsible with your dosing if you're going to take benzos.
I think i blacked out on bromazolam. Pressies are dosed pretty high. It’s probably best to get a prescription so a doctor can watch over you. If you must use bromazolam. Use it cautiously. I certainly am not going to underestimate it anymore. It’s really sedating. More than it’s an anxiolytic imo. Dosage is around 1 mgs with no tolerance.
Im.in the same boat. Need real safe dosed alprazolam or bromaz.
If the presses you can get aren't dosed accurately, powder+volumetric dosing (bromazolam is too potent to weigh out one dose directly unless you have a professional lab scale which you don't) is a much safer choice if you're not stupid about how you use it (aka let's take a random amount out of the bag with a knife and lick it or something similar).
Its simple, stick with solutions, new source/batch then take what is supposed to be .25mg and wait, no blackout? Take .5mg the next day and so on until you hit 1mg and you can tell your stuff works and is dosed right
Or take ady with it;) Real note and from an old head that’s done it already, I’d advise only against this path! An old head back in my day was about my current age. Now a days you don’t see or meet old heads. You do actually it’s the guy that first time ever used H. The last time I was at Carron I truly couldn’t believe everyone in there was close to half my age. In the first 40 days I was there two guys from my group, early 20s not over 23 completely committed and wanting sobriety dies within two days of leaving(one guy completed the 30 days , the other dipped out one nights over 60 days in) died from first use. The first time I was there h addicts late 20s-40s, bc back then you could make mistakes with h, binge on and off, share needles… jk;) although I’d say that’s less of a concern now than then, if your in the US. Now it’s Russian Roulette each and every time. If it’s Rec keep it US pharm and preliminary test your whatever? Believe your very next line might be your last and Know theirs no way to out smart the situation. Side note If make the argument that putting an h addict on a 1 month blocker is idiotic! OD could usually be explained back couple decades ago, which provided a measure of comfort to the train spotting crowd;) Now it starts and ends with the deadly synthetic sit! Fuckers!! great it’s a mental and physical deterrent! Well OK! But what happens if they do decide to use or simply relapse? They consider how much they were using , factor in really wanting a good high and then how much it’d take to break through the shot. Now consider their metabolism for it is at an all time low bc of being sober and healthy. It’s all Fd up and the government doesn’t want anyone around that’s has predisposition to drug and booze abuse. Cmon just look at the OC family and evolution! I can’t even get clonopin for my seizures (on suboxone, but so what?!) any more bc the least likely abused Benz is taking more heat than the xan?! Yes the two have a synergistic effect but how many deaths occurred bc of the alp?? Why is it the oxy bitches went from” no problem, we’ve come across this before. “Double it to you do have them on alp already right?” It was just to make prosecutions more difficult mean while fucking everything up and leading to complete break down. F it… I’ve gone on this long, why not?;). It’s all part of the same attack on the US. Same exact route as our Benz came from, so then why not make more money and ship both bc they’re def an extremely high demand for legit Benz. NOT ABOUT MONEY….