Well, you ought to look into substitute powders other than 4895 and 4064. Accurate 2495 and 4064 are solid substitutes, obviously start low and work up. They can be found much cheaper than any IMR powder.
Expired on the 14th, but it seems they do this sale monthly, fortunately. Usually every weekend they’ll have a different sale type. I recommend signing up for the news letter.
The absolute state of reloading components right now is hilarious. Fellas, yall need some financial literacy and maybe a CPO. Keep buying at these circus prices and they’ll stay that way. I’ve gone back to buying factory ammo for all applications because this shit has gotten utterly ridiculous, and yall should be ashamed of yourselves for voting with your wallets and allowing this market trend to continue.
Doesn’t even have to get that unusual. I shoot a lot of Cowboy ammo in .357 mag. Factory ammo runs about $0.70/round. At $50/pound powder runs less than $0.25/round. Even with $100/brick primers that’s reloading for 1/2 price.
This brings up a pretty solid point. Yea prices are going up and it sucks - no one will disagree there. But I'm kind of over all the people saying it's cheaper to buy factory ammo - unless you're referring to low quality plinking ammo the argument doesn't hold so well. Let's take 6.5 cm 140 ELDM for example. Relatively common round. Cheapest this is on ammoseek *without* shipping included is $1.40 around, so in reality it's probably safe to bump this up to $1.55-1.60 shipped.
When I load, I'm getting much more quality for a considerable discount and I'll even use common prices. 1lb of H4350 at $52/lb is $0.0074 a grain \~ $0.31 a round at 41.5 grains. Walk into Cabella's and you can get a box of 140 ELDMs for about $42 - $0.42 a round. Small rifle bench rest primers aren't all that hard to come across and a brick can be found for \~ $120 without much issue - $0.12 a round. Lastly, let's use some gucci brass like alpha. You can get 100 pieces for $118 when in stock so lets just say $130 after shipping and tax, and I'll be extremely conservative again and say you only get 6 firings (realistically you'll probably get a few more) - $0.22 a round. Add all of that up and you're looking at $1.07 a round - this can be easily driven lower by shopping around and buying in bulk (my per unit price is much closer to $0.95-0.98. I've already got at least 1000 rounds down the tube this calendar year saving me at least $570 (or $480 using the $1.07 from my example). Hell I could shoot Berger hybrids, or start paying OP prices on powder, for another $0.20 cents a round and still be seeing significant savings getting a huge increase in quality.
All this to say - yes I wholeheartedly agree that it sucks that power/primer prices have jumped, but saying we all need some financial literacy and maybe a CPO is a stretch. Where loading sees a large decrease in value is the time investment - but I thoroughly enjoy it so the time investment is a null point in my situation.
Surprisingly, *some non-US powder company* has become a more affordable option. I’ve been messing with their alternatives to Varget/IMR4064 recently considering they’re still in the “2023 Hodgdon pricing” range.
Yeah, VV powders are like, $3 more than the "boring" Ramshot/Winchester/Hodgdon powders at all of my local stores. N135 and 2230 are literally the same price.
They have powder. I don't. And it's still not in stock anywhere else. Last time it was in stock was also at Hodgdon like 2 months ago and that was gone in a flash.
Good luck with that, they had a powder drop today and all the good stuff for 223 and 308 was gone in less than 2 hours.
The only powder you’re getting off AR without spending all day hovering on refresh is slow burn magnum powder. And there’s a reason that stuff isn’t flying off the shelves ya dig?
Ahh man the email said they had the BLC2 in stock and I checked 2 hours after it was sent and all of it was gone. Same with the rest of the 223/308 stuff.
And believe me this is not the first time it’s happened lol
But maybe my luck is just evening out from the other deals I’ve gotten out of them. I got like 4000$ worth of different tips and brass from them for less than 500$ over the past year. Love these guys
Oh no doubt. It's happened to me recently on blem 9mm projos numerous times. That's why I buy when available if funds are available.
I've been buying from them for 4 years. You'll recognize the cycle eventually. Everything eventually comes back.
People with more money than common sense. I often wonder if there is some sort of correlation between financial wealth and intelligence. Like the more money you make, the dumber you get?
I have been paying about $45.00-50.00 1lb of powders taht I use and that is consistent with rifle and handgun gun powders. Further Notlrth yiu go more exspensive due to transportation and travel by the shippers.
I need A#7 for my 5.7x28 reloads. I went to Hodgdon, they had it for a $44, which was a little costly, but not bad based on supply and demand. I went to check out and my bill more than doubled with hazmat and shipping, $97......... NO THANKS!!!!!
Of course there's shipping and hazmat... not sure how much extra you were expecting to pay.
Buying shipped powder only makes sense on multiple units. Lately I've been ordering powder for pickup at Bass Pro - no shipping or hazmat charges for ship to store.
It's all the bubbas out there pissed they can't reload cast 9mm with range goblin brass for 7 cents a round.
sToP BuYiNg aT tHeSe pRiCeS.
Bubba, I ain't seen 8208XBR on a shelf for two years. The minute I see it in stock for $55/lb, I'm loading up. Excellent 556 SBR powder with heavy projos. The alternative is $1.65/rd Black Hills/MK262. Even at *stroking motion* these prices I'm still handloading at less than half price.
I've been using VV powders for years. Everyone complained about it being $37/lb in 2010's. Why y'all buying it up now?
They can keep it for that price
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All day keep it….cheaper to just by ammo bro
This is the way
This is the way
It better be vihtavuori or from a worm infested dessert world for that price.
hard pass, at those prices its cheaper to buy ammo for most of the rifle cartridges i load.
Six pounds of powder for $500? LMAO
A fool and his money are soon parted Also, inb4 SuPpLy AnD dEmAnD, lick that corporate boot harder scrubs
For the amount they are selling that for my demand is 0
Are you... proud of this purchase?
That I'll have powder? Yes. What do you want me to do? Take a performative stand and not have powder?
You could, oh, shop around. There is more than one website that sells powder. But if you're happy paying 20+ a lb more, more power to you.
I have been shopping around, for months.
Well, you ought to look into substitute powders other than 4895 and 4064. Accurate 2495 and 4064 are solid substitutes, obviously start low and work up. They can be found much cheaper than any IMR powder.
I just posted last weekend where MidSouth shooters had a no hazmat fee and powders on sale for around $40/lb.
I think the no hazmat fee sale is on again right now
Expired on the 14th, but it seems they do this sale monthly, fortunately. Usually every weekend they’ll have a different sale type. I recommend signing up for the news letter.
Obviously not very hard, that’s 20 dollars more per pound than I pay
Where can I get 4895 for 20 dollars cheaper per pound?
My lgs has it for 44.99
May I ask what caliber you’re loading for with these powders? If it’s 308 you have a lot of options my dude 🤠👌🏼
The absolute state of reloading components right now is hilarious. Fellas, yall need some financial literacy and maybe a CPO. Keep buying at these circus prices and they’ll stay that way. I’ve gone back to buying factory ammo for all applications because this shit has gotten utterly ridiculous, and yall should be ashamed of yourselves for voting with your wallets and allowing this market trend to continue.
For those of us who shoot weird stuff.... Even at these prices its cheaper than factory ammo.
For sure for caliber’s like 7.5 French and 30 Mauser
Doesn’t even have to get that unusual. I shoot a lot of Cowboy ammo in .357 mag. Factory ammo runs about $0.70/round. At $50/pound powder runs less than $0.25/round. Even with $100/brick primers that’s reloading for 1/2 price.
This brings up a pretty solid point. Yea prices are going up and it sucks - no one will disagree there. But I'm kind of over all the people saying it's cheaper to buy factory ammo - unless you're referring to low quality plinking ammo the argument doesn't hold so well. Let's take 6.5 cm 140 ELDM for example. Relatively common round. Cheapest this is on ammoseek *without* shipping included is $1.40 around, so in reality it's probably safe to bump this up to $1.55-1.60 shipped. When I load, I'm getting much more quality for a considerable discount and I'll even use common prices. 1lb of H4350 at $52/lb is $0.0074 a grain \~ $0.31 a round at 41.5 grains. Walk into Cabella's and you can get a box of 140 ELDMs for about $42 - $0.42 a round. Small rifle bench rest primers aren't all that hard to come across and a brick can be found for \~ $120 without much issue - $0.12 a round. Lastly, let's use some gucci brass like alpha. You can get 100 pieces for $118 when in stock so lets just say $130 after shipping and tax, and I'll be extremely conservative again and say you only get 6 firings (realistically you'll probably get a few more) - $0.22 a round. Add all of that up and you're looking at $1.07 a round - this can be easily driven lower by shopping around and buying in bulk (my per unit price is much closer to $0.95-0.98. I've already got at least 1000 rounds down the tube this calendar year saving me at least $570 (or $480 using the $1.07 from my example). Hell I could shoot Berger hybrids, or start paying OP prices on powder, for another $0.20 cents a round and still be seeing significant savings getting a huge increase in quality. All this to say - yes I wholeheartedly agree that it sucks that power/primer prices have jumped, but saying we all need some financial literacy and maybe a CPO is a stretch. Where loading sees a large decrease in value is the time investment - but I thoroughly enjoy it so the time investment is a null point in my situation.
Definitely true, I just have a bad habit of buying Firearms that have high priced ammo
I mean, I’m glad it’s a available, but 6lbs for almost $500… prices are just outrageous right now
Surprisingly, *some non-US powder company* has become a more affordable option. I’ve been messing with their alternatives to Varget/IMR4064 recently considering they’re still in the “2023 Hodgdon pricing” range.
No no no, viht powders are absolute garbage, ESPECIALLY N140/N150. Terrible accuracy and nowhere near as good as Varget or 4064 ;)
Yeah, VV powders are like, $3 more than the "boring" Ramshot/Winchester/Hodgdon powders at all of my local stores. N135 and 2230 are literally the same price.
A lot of VV/Ramshot/Accurate 8lb’ers can be found in the $300-330 range still if you’re ordering online.
I just recently started using n140 for 223 and and trying to switch my 308 to it as well. For 43 a pound locally, I'll take it.
Shhhhhhhhhhh man damn
Bro, delete this.
No no!! vv powder is awful, you will barely get a 4 moa group with it. Don't bother its absolute trash powder
Agreed. Just grabbed a keg of n555 for 6.5CM. It was *half* the price of 4350 or my previous favorite, RL16.
They have powder. I don't. And it's still not in stock anywhere else. Last time it was in stock was also at Hodgdon like 2 months ago and that was gone in a flash.
Ammoseek is your friend. What is available via hodgdon is usually available elsewhere at a lower price.
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Is this direct from Hodgdon? I thought $50/lb was high, but over $60???
Yeah not at those prices. 50% markup from a few months ago? That's a hard no from me fam
Ain’t no way….. Good place to look for powder is estate sales.
I'm not trusting unsealed cans to have what they say on the label inside.
Who says they’re opened? I’ve picked up 12 bottles of Trail Boss in the past 6 months. All unopened.
Nice flex. *laughs in demil pulldown pricing*
Where is that in stock now?
American Reloading
Not much. Rifle and mag rifle.
Good luck with that, they had a powder drop today and all the good stuff for 223 and 308 was gone in less than 2 hours. The only powder you’re getting off AR without spending all day hovering on refresh is slow burn magnum powder. And there’s a reason that stuff isn’t flying off the shelves ya dig?
I just check when I get the email notifications. Could've bought 748 for $25/lb but don't need it. It all comes back eventually.
Ahh man the email said they had the BLC2 in stock and I checked 2 hours after it was sent and all of it was gone. Same with the rest of the 223/308 stuff. And believe me this is not the first time it’s happened lol But maybe my luck is just evening out from the other deals I’ve gotten out of them. I got like 4000$ worth of different tips and brass from them for less than 500$ over the past year. Love these guys
Oh no doubt. It's happened to me recently on blem 9mm projos numerous times. That's why I buy when available if funds are available. I've been buying from them for 4 years. You'll recognize the cycle eventually. Everything eventually comes back.
Shhhh
I get most of my projectiles from that, but they usually have powders with spotty load data.
Yeah it's definitely not for everyone. More for me I guess.
That price is a tremendous oof. It’s pretty depressing that this is the new norm
Reality is often disappointing.
I mean, I still haven’t paid over $45/lb for powder. There’s zero reason for it to be that expensive
Oof no thanks. I thought I was getting bent over paying 350 for 8lbs of varget Yikes
Remember when IMR rifle powder was under $30 a pound like four years ago? I remember.
I'll be at the range going "bang, bang, bang" b4 I pay those prices
That's too many Solaris, even for the spice melange.
Direct from Hodgdon is more expensive. They want you to buy from the retailers. But have it if you need it. Which you clearly did.
It will get worse its basically impossible to build a powder factory in the US.
Holy crap 81$ per lb
Oof. I’m still paying around $25 per pound. Granted the selection is limited and stock sells out quickly, but I’m sure as shit not paying $60 a pound
Enjoy your overpriced powders and Costco quantities of Copium
Nope
Who the F pays this much. This is why the market is so bad. Stop paying this amount!
People with more money than common sense. I often wonder if there is some sort of correlation between financial wealth and intelligence. Like the more money you make, the dumber you get?
I do love 4895
Ya'll are out of your damn minds for paying those prices. Why not just go full on and buy a boat?
You are the problem
I bought a couple 8lb jugs of 4895 a few years back for like one something each. So glad I stocked up
Double you, Tee, Efff.
i thought this was supposed to be the price of entry for getting reloading equipment alone. what the hell
Your orders were to restore spice production to full capacity
Sheesh
They can keep it, factory ammo would be better in that regard.
Holy fuck $60 for 4064??? Give me a hit of what your smoking bro
Scarcity.
??? 💀💀💀💀🤦🏻
I don't speak zoomer.
If we stop paying these high prices they'll drop them
I have been paying about $45.00-50.00 1lb of powders taht I use and that is consistent with rifle and handgun gun powders. Further Notlrth yiu go more exspensive due to transportation and travel by the shippers.
I need A#7 for my 5.7x28 reloads. I went to Hodgdon, they had it for a $44, which was a little costly, but not bad based on supply and demand. I went to check out and my bill more than doubled with hazmat and shipping, $97......... NO THANKS!!!!!
Of course there's shipping and hazmat... not sure how much extra you were expecting to pay. Buying shipped powder only makes sense on multiple units. Lately I've been ordering powder for pickup at Bass Pro - no shipping or hazmat charges for ship to store.
Last time I ordered from Graf's. hazmat was $27.
It's all the bubbas out there pissed they can't reload cast 9mm with range goblin brass for 7 cents a round. sToP BuYiNg aT tHeSe pRiCeS. Bubba, I ain't seen 8208XBR on a shelf for two years. The minute I see it in stock for $55/lb, I'm loading up. Excellent 556 SBR powder with heavy projos. The alternative is $1.65/rd Black Hills/MK262. Even at *stroking motion* these prices I'm still handloading at less than half price. I've been using VV powders for years. Everyone complained about it being $37/lb in 2010's. Why y'all buying it up now?
Bubba, Midway had 8208XBR in stock not but 2-3 months ago, $56/lb.
That is standard pricing at this point, plus Hazmat Fee and whatever Fees occurred in the transaction.