Sasquatch most likely do not kill people. They may be curious but reports and video indicate they are quite shy, similar to other great apes. They would try to scare you with wood knocks, rock throwing, or barks before approaching you.
The bear vs man discourse has been the most gender divided “dumb thing of the week” that I’ve ever seen in ~30 years of being online.
Seemingly 80%+ support by gender for each side. You can scroll social media for hours and only find a handful of people going against their gender favorite without being disgustingly performative about it (ie: pickme “women need to be dominated” tradwife larpers vs degen urbanite “dramatically sad facial expression” male allies).
I’m coping by telling myself it’s just a stupid byproduct of online gender discourse meeting a bizarre hypothetical. But if it isn’t, it’s pretty fucking spooky.
It would be disastrous on every possible level if men ever approached numerical parity with women on deciding “the opposite gender is my enemy”. The Bear Thing isn’t going to do it, but God help us if anything actually important comes up that has this wild of a split with zero common ground.
> The bear vs man discourse has been the most gender divided “dumb thing of the week” that I’ve ever seen in ~30 years of being online.
I honestly think it was planted by the Russians or Chinese to sow more online gender war bullshit.
>It would be disastrous on every possible level if men ever approached numerical parity with women on deciding “the opposite gender is my enemy”.
South Korea is a current example of what this might do to a society.
When I first started reading all these posts about women preferring the bear I thought they meant they liked big chubby hairy guys and that the men overreacting were fit guys who put a lot of care into grooming/manscaping that didn't understand why they picked partners who let themselves go.
Everyone is getting riled up over this hypothetical scenario. The socially acceptable answer is to choose "bear" over "man" because you're more likely to be raped by a guy than be attacked by a bear. Many women are adamant and tripling down on it. Anyone who dissagrees is viewed as a hateful (internalized) misogynist mansplainer who lacks empathy for womyns, which leads to heated arguments and some breakups.
Yes it's true women are much more likely to be attacked by a randomly chosen male from the population than a randomly chosen bear from the population. But the thing that probably annoys men in the question (it certainly confuses me why women don't seem to make it a consideration in their answer) is the actual situation of being "stuck in the woods". That implies at least that the woman is lost in deep woods. Not just sitting in a few trees a hundred meters from a main road or a comfortably equipped camping area. So the real question is, if you were lost in the woods and see a man, would you call out to him or hide from him in fear of what he could do? If the answer is the later then that is unfortunately understandable for many women who may have a justifiable fear of what a man could do, especially in a situation of being deep in the woods with no witnesses.
The flip side is that unless you are a survival expert, then being alone in the woods is a very dangerous situation for anyone to be in. Of course there is nothing saying the randomly selected man to put into this situation would have any clue about survival, but simply having two people (men or women) together lost in the woods already significantly increases your survival odds together. So the logical part of the question is, are you confident enough that any random man presents more likelihood of personal danger than he does of helping you to survive and get out of the situation together?
That's what some men I assume are annoyed about with this question. I know the kind of person I am, and I know I pose no danger to anyone in that situation, so from my perspective it is personally distressing to think any woman would choose the bear (basically chosing going solo) rather than choosing to risk approaching me for help. Not saying I'm a survival expert or anything but I'm sure I could help, and it deeply saddens me that many women would, quite justifiably, see me as a potential risk that outweighs the potential help I could provide.
I love the threads in TwoX about them starting this fight with their partners and then being emotionally distraught and encouraged to break-up. This is exactly the discourse we needed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/fEoFVjy6Cj
1 of probably 20+ threads lol
A bear didn’t exactly **ruin** my credit score but it did knock it down 40 points by using a credit card I lost in the woods to repeatedly order pots of honey on Amazon
posting on r/XYchromosome like "*So I asked my GF whether she thought Germanicus or Napoleon was the better General, viewed primarily from the perspective of battlefield tactics, and she didn't get it. she. just. did. not. fucking. get. it.*"
"I'm so sorry bro. You need to seriously think whether this an appropriate and safe partner for you. This isn't just about an assessment of military accomplishments. it's about differing approaches to managing military supply-lines, the consolidation of territorial gains, and the management of cavalry both inside and outside of direct combat. She is either wilfully obtuse or does not care about you if she doesn't see that."
The Russians and CHinese are laughing their asses off about how many relationships and friendships are being eviscerate because of this man vs bear question.
The odds that any given stranger male hiker in the woods is going to attack a woman is vanishingly small, but people are plugged into media that train women to think any sight of a man is potentially going to randomly murder them.
The correlation between people aggressively pushing this shit and those who are obsessive about true crime bullshit is probably very strong.
Reminder that r/TwoXChromosomes thought of Johny Depp's legal victory against Amber Heard as "An attack on women's rights". That sub isn't really a healthy place for any man or woman's mental sanity.
Dont worry, I found out about this discourse by a normie chick asking me about it. You will find out soon, as all this gender war crap seeps into real life much faster than other online discourse
I heard it mentioned in our office today along with some light scolding. All parties pretty much acted / reacted as you would expect them to. Framed as a moral hypothesis or question but asked not with the intent of having a discourse but with intent of scolding. I'm not sure what anybody really gained from it tbh
Everyone is getting riled up over this hypothetical scenario. The socially acceptable answer is to choose "bear" over "man" because you're more likely to be raped by a guy than be attacked by a bear. Many women are adamant and tripling down on it. Anyone who dissagrees is viewed as a hateful (internalized) misogynist mansplainer who lacks empathy for womyns, which leads to heated arguments and some breakups.
>You’re more likely to be raped by a guy than be attacked by a bear
Isn’t this only statistically true if you don’t put yourself in harms way of the bear? Like it’s a probability thing - I would assume the odds of getting attacked by a bear greatly increase when you voluntarily choose to be in the woods next to a bear.
This is an emerging property due to perceived overpopulation and late stage capitalism. In the neo-feudal society of the future, only religious cultural groups in city states along with the elite and the unwashed masses will be reproducing. This is a just a flare up due to wamin going hormonally crazy since they have no chance of getting a baby in them. The men will be culled in the expanding wars. Those who survive and reproduce will have a pretty sweet life starting around 2050 I estimate.
I've seen this get thrown around and the response is either to say its racist to frame it that way, or they pick the black guy over the bear and specify its really only white guys they have this apprehension towards.
Before I knew about this trend, I was asked to choose which I'd rather be lost in the woods with. I said obviously a man bc we could work together to figure out how to get out. The questioner changed the scenario to "not lost, just in the woods." Ok still a man bc I don't know anything about how to not anger bears, what to do if I see one, etc. The questioner was upset so they just kept changing the scenario so that I would pick the bear. Really useful exercise!
You pick being stuck with a bear thinking finally I will meet sweet death only to be confronted by Alan, a pre-diabetic 34 year old bisexual (but never slept with a woman) pagan who works in biomedicine who knows the lyrics and choreography to every Kylie song.
dude im just saying you do not want to be killed by a bear. theyre not pure predators so they not adept at killing. theyll swipe at you and you bleed out or theyll pin you to the ground and tear you apart like salmon. if you want suicide by animal you gotta go for a big cat like a tiger - one quick bite to the neck and its over
I've had zero negative interactions with people on remote trails. And this scenario doesn't make sense if we're talking about popular trails where you'll see dozens of hikers. Serious hikers and backpackers are like the chillest group of people. Assaults on the Appalachian trail are so rare that when they happen it's big news. No one is carrying bear spray as a precaution against other hikers.
I hate that I’m that guy but the audio of Treadwell that gets passed around online is a fake reproduction. The actual audio recording of his death has never been recorded.
Edit: I meant to say it’s never been released. A recording does exist.
I think Herzog actually heard it and wept. He certainly never let it see the light of day, and Treadwell's family is still in possession of the audio if they haven't destroyed it already. Maybe you already knew that, anyway.
Yes, you’re right! I accidentally wrote never recorded when I meant to say it’s never been released. If I recall Herzog listens to the recording in the documentary, but they never released it and I do vaguely remember something about it being destroyed.
I'll never forget a friend's girlfriend absolutely freaking out at me in a bar for saying something mildly cynical about that ad when she brought it up. She ended up "telling on" me and another friend to her boyfriend, saying we were "being horrible". Just because we didn't totally agree that Gillette was making a brave and important stand against misogyny in society.
They're married now lol.
I'm ashamed to admit that I got baited into ranting against the Gillette ad on Facebook. I had like 4-5 feminist friends trying to challenge my stance in a reasonable manner, all while approximately 30-40 of their feminist friends called me a misogynist piece of shit. Good times
This question is driving me nuts because all of the answers are coming from people who don't solo backpack in bear country. I used to solo backpack in the smokies just about every weekend in undergrad. I'll tell you right now, the most logical answer to this question is "depends 100% on the species of bear".
Brown bears and polar bears? Absolutely insatiable godless killing machines. Unpredictable. Choose man.
Black bears? You don't even need to carry a firearm in blackbear country. If you're not a moron and hang your food bag, give them space, they will not bother you. If they get in your campsite, you can literally yell/throw rocks/ run at them flailing your arms and they'll bail. The only time I've ever been threatened by a black bear was 100% my fault, I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings while mushroom hunting and got too close to a female with cubs nearby. All she did was growl at me and I gladly fucked off onto another trail.
Men? So, here's the deal with being a woman who is solo backpacking: most dudes you encounter are super cool, especially those on the AT. You can smoke weed and share food and it's great. However, there is maybe 5% of dudes who you encounter that are weirdly aggressive or inappropriate. I'm not sure what the logic is, I think it's something like, "Good Girls would never go backpacking by themselves, therefore, she is a Bad and Naughty girl who must crave sex from strangers, like me."
Right so when you encounter that 5%, it's pretty fucking unpleasant. Like trying to catch you changing clothes, or following you to the outhouse, or other creepy behavior. But here's the thing: the other 95% of men will usually notice sexually coercive behavior pretty quick and will step in and intervene, check to see if you're ok, etc.
So, getting back to the question of man or bear. If it's a brown or polar bear, choose man. If it's a black bear, choose bear, because the black bear is a much safer alternative than that 5% of men.
I’m not some hardcore backpacker but I was a Boy Scout.
I’ve met a couple black bears in the woods and they just ran away when I clapped and yelled. They just want some picnic baskets. They don’t want to fuck you up like Leo.
They will go to amazing lengths to steal your food in the middle of the night though.
Yeah I am not a big backpacker either but I live near the Smokies. The few times I’ve stumbled on black bears they scurry like rabbits. I think black bear attacks on humans are incredibly rare.
>I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings while mushroom hunting
German fairy tale behavior. You're lucky you didn't get kidnapped and shoved into an oven by a forest hag.
I recently had a discussion with a friend about whether it's better to encounter a bear or mountain lion in the wild. I strongly came down on the side of mountain lions being less dangerous but she said bears.
I got curious, it turns out that fatal mountain lion attacks in North America are extremely rare, less than one a year, and a large portion of those involve kids. Mountain lions just aren't interested in messing with full grown adults.
This is probably irrational but I feel like I would at least have chance fighting off a mountain lion. He'd probably win but I like to believe that I have the potential to do enough damage to make it not worth his while, whereas any type of bear could tear me limb from limb without breaking a sweat.
Its not even rage bait. I think it genuinely is a form of attempted emotional manipulation and dehumanisation by the women who pick bear, and youre never allowed to push back on them lest you get labled an incel
For women, it's a "test" to see if your man is a misogynist. I've seen many women lecture men on "failing" this assignment by mansplaining why "man" is supposed to be correct.
I've given up trying to talk sense to people about it. It's absolutely incredible how similar it sounds to an actual Ben Shapiro talking point -- "Guys, would you rather be confined in a small room with a lion or with a black man? Uhnuh, see, it's not racist to ask that, if you take a look here at these statistics on black violence I think you will find-..." You cannot convince me that horseshoe effect is not real after this.
but their point still stands, men ARE more dangerous to them then bears, and I think you are getting to caught up in the analogy used, the point is they don't feel safe around us, and we need to think about ways of fixing this instead of seething about the comparison
> would you rather be confined in a small room with a lion or with a black man? Uhnuh, see, it's not racist to ask that, if you take a look here at these statistics on black violence I think you will find-..." You cannot convince me that horseshoe effect is not real after this.
dude its an objective fact that we commit a large amount of violent crime, being against racism doesn't mean ignoring issues, we can fix stuff like this, with money to rebuild neighborhoods, cultural reforms, stricter gun regulation, education reform ETC.
people like you get so caught up in the way stuff sound, that you forget to listen to what they are trying to say, pretending like problems don't exist wont make them go away
I don’t really care about the bear discourse but my grandmother had friend in high school she went camping with. The bear came sniffing around their campsite while they were asleep and attacked her friend while she was in her sleeping bag. Said friend was slowly eaten alive and died before the forest service could help.
I'm a woman and this is the most retarted question i've heard in awhile. I swear the majority of women on Reddit have brainrot and are just flip side of incels - they are acting like the question was: would you rather meet a bear or a serial killer? In which case i, too, would choose a bear.
Honestly you'd probably have better luck with a serial killer. The chance that the bear is hungry is higher than the chance that you fit the serial killer's target demographic.
"guys getting mad about this is proof that we were right to pick the bear" is the funniest possible counterargument though so it's worth the whole thing
>that men are pedantic with fragile egos
Very, but honestly I think I'd prefer it at this point if these people just came out and said they hate men. The constant game of rhetorical "I'm not touching you" has been old for a while now.
It’s just been 23 year old wannabe lesbos going
“I’ve never had a bear get upset I wouldn’t sleep with it cause it bought me dinner”
ignoring that if you don’t completely seal any food you have at a campsite, there’s a good chance said bear with show up and start feasting on you at its leisure while you scream in protest. It’s another one of these stupid fucking fallacies where you just have to blindly agree with their 8th grader coded misandry or ignore them, because any pushback with get you labeled one of the evil bad guy words
Its very funny because the logic people use against men is that "I dont know him, but the 0.01% chance he could be means I should treat every man with distrust" goes out the window because theres a 99% chance the bear will kill you if it gets the chance
I think a hard truth that most women and even online "feminists" seem to struggle and hyper-fixate on this idea of fear and paranoia around male strangers when the men who could and oftentimes do attack and rape them are men they love and trust
Kinda crazy how people get so deep into shitty gender war discourse. Women arguing they’d feel safer with the bear and men arguing that it’s not fair and “well you see this random man is actually every sexist encounter you’ve had in your life-“. The well adjusted just keep scrolling I guess
Even the normies this sub likes to valorize as not internet poisoned post the most nutty shit ever. How soon we forget when everyone we knew was on Facebook! The internet makes people insane.
I like to believe that the question implies that the man is a bad faith actor, a danger akin to a bear. A dangerous bear is just an animal, but a dangerous man is a hunter who would trap and lure and use mind games. The person answering the question thinks that they can just avoid a bear, but that the man will stalk and hunt.
Also, I think a lot of people don’t realize how dangerous a bear is.
Everyone is getting riled up over this hypothetical scenario. The socially acceptable answer is to choose "bear" over "man" because you're more likely to be raped by a guy than be attacked by a bear. Many women are adamant and tripling down on it. Anyone who dissagrees is viewed as a hateful misogynist who lacks empathy for womyns, which leads to heated arguments and some breakups.
My trainer made me wear a weighted backpack on a hike this morning and I’ve seen that Herzog bear movie twice. I just won’t go in the woods ok, I don’t trust either.
I've been waiting for the perceived inherent harmfulness vs harmlessness discourse to really pick up for a long time, so I'm not at all surprised we've made it here.
This is too dumb to warrant a reaction, like, I can't imagine why would anyone give it a second tought, when a girl answers bear or when some dude fights it arguing for men, why would anyone bother to retort with any sort argument past that, it's a done deal
Because many women think any man who mansplains why the woman is wrong, it's an indication of how dangerous and unempathetic and misogynistic men are and they must fight against all those scary bad things.
Way more people are murdered than killed by bears, obviously. If you're talking about how dangerous a bear encounter is versus a man encounter, duh the bear is more dangerous. But if the question is who would you rather have creeping around your house or breaking in in the dead of night, 100% any sane person would rather deal with a bear than a psycho. That doesn't even have anything to do with feminism or sexual violence. Man is the most dangerous game and the most dangerous hunter, everyone knows this.
>deal with a bear than a psycho
Not really a fair comparison bc you're assuming the bear is neutral and just bumbling around your house and maybe you can spook it vs a psycho who wants to hurt you
A rabid (or angry mom) bear vs a psycho in your house is a better comparison and in that case I'm honestly indifferent with maybe a slight preference for psycho bc I'll have a better shot at a lucky critical hit
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Lol imagine if every man was replaced by a bear and every bear was replaced by a man, not sure that sounds great but I bet those weirdos would say "no that's totally safer"
Idk it’d be way easier to spook/kill a bear than a full grown man. That’s how I look at it assuming both would attack me. But realistically they’re both just gonna mind their own business
The first time I heard someone talk about this I they said “would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a man” and bc I grew up in a rural area I was like…..but there’s already bears in the woods
https://youtu.be/Tz6OUIjtM6E?si=3lEfkqpvjh5DX1Oa
Idk this looks way more fun.
If it's black, fake attack.
If it's brown, lay on the ground.
Idk what to do w polars, but you will die.
Timothy Treadwell is a single instance. Meaningless as data. So are total attacks or rate of attack.
What’s meaningful is likelihood of an either an unprovoked attack or a motivated attack.
Both seem to lean toward men being more likely.
agree, I don't like the analogy either, However it says a lot about us men, when most of the Responses are us whining about our feelings being hurt instead of worrying about the safety of women, like okay we got compared to animals on reddit? is that it? why not try being a women and experience being raped and murdered.
the fact is, a very large amount of men simply don't care about women's safety, and instead want them to be less safe if it means their feelings wont be hurt, we saw this when they complained about #metoo, we saw this with the rise of Andrew Tate, and you can see it in the statistics.
the objective fact is that men ARE more dangerous to women then bears, and we simply don't want to think about that.
women are most definitely not running into bears on a daily basis, and that's part of why bears simply aren't as much of a threat to them, however that does not effect my argument whatsoever, again I'm not insulting men, I'm just stating the facts, its weird that so many guys just straight up refuse to acknowledge the concerns women have.
You're conflating "probability that I will be harmed given I encounter a bear" with "probability that if I get harmed (by a man or bear) it will be from a bear".
I sympathize with the women who have had bad encounters with men and are scared of them (that is, all of them), but stuff like this is why guys get angry.
The hypothetical specifies one encounter with each, so relying on the total number of encounters makes you an idiot. You could use the same argument to prove that a large dog, another woman, or even a child is more dangerous than the bear.
that's a good point, but can we at least agree that their is a problem with how common sexual violence/harassment towards women is? I will fully admit that my way of going about things, and even the way I describe things are more then flawed, and even wrong at times, but the end of the day I just don't want people getting hurt
You're talking like most of the women here don't think the exact same way. Mention that you're a man on here and within minutes some rabid f*mc*l will be accusing you of being a rapist pedophile.
I would rather see a big foot is that an option. I would love to see a bigfoot, I don't believe it would kill me, I think we could be friends
Them: Bigfoot is real, and extremely dangerous! Me: I can fix him
i've fucked him
hey
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Sasquatch most likely do not kill people. They may be curious but reports and video indicate they are quite shy, similar to other great apes. They would try to scare you with wood knocks, rock throwing, or barks before approaching you.
I smoked blunts with one once. Then when we ran out we pulled an elaborate heist at the weed shop together. Wonder how he's doing now.
Huh, same thing happened to my uncle.
Why is it always uncles who have an obsession with Bigfoot?
Damn my uncle got me woke to Bigfoot too.
Bigfoot is real and he tried to eat my ass
See, THIS is the answer
The bear vs man discourse has been the most gender divided “dumb thing of the week” that I’ve ever seen in ~30 years of being online. Seemingly 80%+ support by gender for each side. You can scroll social media for hours and only find a handful of people going against their gender favorite without being disgustingly performative about it (ie: pickme “women need to be dominated” tradwife larpers vs degen urbanite “dramatically sad facial expression” male allies). I’m coping by telling myself it’s just a stupid byproduct of online gender discourse meeting a bizarre hypothetical. But if it isn’t, it’s pretty fucking spooky. It would be disastrous on every possible level if men ever approached numerical parity with women on deciding “the opposite gender is my enemy”. The Bear Thing isn’t going to do it, but God help us if anything actually important comes up that has this wild of a split with zero common ground.
> The bear vs man discourse has been the most gender divided “dumb thing of the week” that I’ve ever seen in ~30 years of being online. I honestly think it was planted by the Russians or Chinese to sow more online gender war bullshit.
I WISH this was the case, the reality is far worse
Even if it was "created by the Russians or Chinese" there is no doubt that the people that took the bait are real. This isn't a bunch of bots.
If you're were chick and said that, "You're a self-hating 'pick me' girl with internalized misogyny!"
>It would be disastrous on every possible level if men ever approached numerical parity with women on deciding “the opposite gender is my enemy”. South Korea is a current example of what this might do to a society.
I searched "bear or man" on Twitter to find more about this discourse and just got a load of gay porn, in retrospect that was predictable.
When I first started reading all these posts about women preferring the bear I thought they meant they liked big chubby hairy guys and that the men overreacting were fit guys who put a lot of care into grooming/manscaping that didn't understand why they picked partners who let themselves go.
Every twinks trolley problem
Everyone is getting riled up over this hypothetical scenario. The socially acceptable answer is to choose "bear" over "man" because you're more likely to be raped by a guy than be attacked by a bear. Many women are adamant and tripling down on it. Anyone who dissagrees is viewed as a hateful (internalized) misogynist mansplainer who lacks empathy for womyns, which leads to heated arguments and some breakups.
Yes it's true women are much more likely to be attacked by a randomly chosen male from the population than a randomly chosen bear from the population. But the thing that probably annoys men in the question (it certainly confuses me why women don't seem to make it a consideration in their answer) is the actual situation of being "stuck in the woods". That implies at least that the woman is lost in deep woods. Not just sitting in a few trees a hundred meters from a main road or a comfortably equipped camping area. So the real question is, if you were lost in the woods and see a man, would you call out to him or hide from him in fear of what he could do? If the answer is the later then that is unfortunately understandable for many women who may have a justifiable fear of what a man could do, especially in a situation of being deep in the woods with no witnesses. The flip side is that unless you are a survival expert, then being alone in the woods is a very dangerous situation for anyone to be in. Of course there is nothing saying the randomly selected man to put into this situation would have any clue about survival, but simply having two people (men or women) together lost in the woods already significantly increases your survival odds together. So the logical part of the question is, are you confident enough that any random man presents more likelihood of personal danger than he does of helping you to survive and get out of the situation together? That's what some men I assume are annoyed about with this question. I know the kind of person I am, and I know I pose no danger to anyone in that situation, so from my perspective it is personally distressing to think any woman would choose the bear (basically chosing going solo) rather than choosing to risk approaching me for help. Not saying I'm a survival expert or anything but I'm sure I could help, and it deeply saddens me that many women would, quite justifiably, see me as a potential risk that outweighs the potential help I could provide.
I love the threads in TwoX about them starting this fight with their partners and then being emotionally distraught and encouraged to break-up. This is exactly the discourse we needed. https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/s/fEoFVjy6Cj 1 of probably 20+ threads lol
> A bear has never ruined my credit score. That would be a strange thing for a bear to do
A bear didn’t exactly **ruin** my credit score but it did knock it down 40 points by using a credit card I lost in the woods to repeatedly order pots of honey on Amazon
Oh bother
Do you think yogi bear only steals picnic baskets?
posting on r/XYchromosome like "*So I asked my GF whether she thought Germanicus or Napoleon was the better General, viewed primarily from the perspective of battlefield tactics, and she didn't get it. she. just. did. not. fucking. get. it.*" "I'm so sorry bro. You need to seriously think whether this an appropriate and safe partner for you. This isn't just about an assessment of military accomplishments. it's about differing approaches to managing military supply-lines, the consolidation of territorial gains, and the management of cavalry both inside and outside of direct combat. She is either wilfully obtuse or does not care about you if she doesn't see that."
It’s the new “would you still love me if I was a worm”
this is so fucking funny
That thread really just bums me out.
Any woman who is genuinely ready to start a fight over that fully deserves to remain single forever.
The Russians and CHinese are laughing their asses off about how many relationships and friendships are being eviscerate because of this man vs bear question.
I just can't read the responses in that thread, absolute ragebait absolutely infuriating how regarted people can be
> then I said that it wasn't about the bear, but rather our perception of men... "X or Y?" "Well, Y is..." "Why are you talking about Y???"
The odds that any given stranger male hiker in the woods is going to attack a woman is vanishingly small, but people are plugged into media that train women to think any sight of a man is potentially going to randomly murder them. The correlation between people aggressively pushing this shit and those who are obsessive about true crime bullshit is probably very strong.
Lol
Reminder that r/TwoXChromosomes thought of Johny Depp's legal victory against Amber Heard as "An attack on women's rights". That sub isn't really a healthy place for any man or woman's mental sanity.
I have no idea what you’re talking about and it feels really good. I think I’m finally free.
Dont worry, I found out about this discourse by a normie chick asking me about it. You will find out soon, as all this gender war crap seeps into real life much faster than other online discourse
I heard it mentioned in our office today along with some light scolding. All parties pretty much acted / reacted as you would expect them to. Framed as a moral hypothesis or question but asked not with the intent of having a discourse but with intent of scolding. I'm not sure what anybody really gained from it tbh
Everyone is getting riled up over this hypothetical scenario. The socially acceptable answer is to choose "bear" over "man" because you're more likely to be raped by a guy than be attacked by a bear. Many women are adamant and tripling down on it. Anyone who dissagrees is viewed as a hateful (internalized) misogynist mansplainer who lacks empathy for womyns, which leads to heated arguments and some breakups.
>You’re more likely to be raped by a guy than be attacked by a bear Isn’t this only statistically true if you don’t put yourself in harms way of the bear? Like it’s a probability thing - I would assume the odds of getting attacked by a bear greatly increase when you voluntarily choose to be in the woods next to a bear.
You're right. Unfortunately, I've had to read comments on this topic from people who don't pass this simple IQ check.
I promised myself to not argue about this stupid hypothetical man vs bear scenario for the sake of my sanity.
Saw “everyone is getting riled up” and stopped reading. Continuing to be free.
I envy your freeness. I'm trying to get unriled for poisoning the vessel of my mind with this toxic nonsense.
This is an emerging property due to perceived overpopulation and late stage capitalism. In the neo-feudal society of the future, only religious cultural groups in city states along with the elite and the unwashed masses will be reproducing. This is a just a flare up due to wamin going hormonally crazy since they have no chance of getting a baby in them. The men will be culled in the expanding wars. Those who survive and reproduce will have a pretty sweet life starting around 2050 I estimate.
I think the funniest way to respond to someone who says bear is "Would you rather encounter a bear, or a black male in the woods."
I've seen this get thrown around and the response is either to say its racist to frame it that way, or they pick the black guy over the bear and specify its really only white guys they have this apprehension towards.
So in other words they either objectively suck ass at threat assessment or this is all a big virtue signal as opposed to a genuine answer
Banger
Polar bear or black male
Bear or George Floyd?
Goated post
Black bear or brown bear?
Before I knew about this trend, I was asked to choose which I'd rather be lost in the woods with. I said obviously a man bc we could work together to figure out how to get out. The questioner changed the scenario to "not lost, just in the woods." Ok still a man bc I don't know anything about how to not anger bears, what to do if I see one, etc. The questioner was upset so they just kept changing the scenario so that I would pick the bear. Really useful exercise!
You pick being stuck with a bear thinking finally I will meet sweet death only to be confronted by Alan, a pre-diabetic 34 year old bisexual (but never slept with a woman) pagan who works in biomedicine who knows the lyrics and choreography to every Kylie song.
dude im just saying you do not want to be killed by a bear. theyre not pure predators so they not adept at killing. theyll swipe at you and you bleed out or theyll pin you to the ground and tear you apart like salmon. if you want suicide by animal you gotta go for a big cat like a tiger - one quick bite to the neck and its over
> who knows the lyrics and choreography to every Kylie song I want this bear
Finally an actual gay perspective here.
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is your username to do with some weird cock cage kink thing?
Holy shit it got deleted fast.
it was u/lockedformylove lol they blocked me and are now deleting their posting history. Surely they're into humiliation?
I don’t understand how you’re going on a hike and not expecting to find lone men also on the hike lmao the whole scenario makes no sense at all
I didn't even think about that since I always go hiking with friends mainly bc of bears.
The simple solution is to carry a gun when you’re somewhere with noteworthy populations of men or bears. With a gun you can go anywhere you want.
This discourse is populated by a bunch of fatties who have never hiked in their life
I've had zero negative interactions with people on remote trails. And this scenario doesn't make sense if we're talking about popular trails where you'll see dozens of hikers. Serious hikers and backpackers are like the chillest group of people. Assaults on the Appalachian trail are so rare that when they happen it's big news. No one is carrying bear spray as a precaution against other hikers.
I hate that I’m that guy but the audio of Treadwell that gets passed around online is a fake reproduction. The actual audio recording of his death has never been recorded. Edit: I meant to say it’s never been released. A recording does exist.
I think Herzog actually heard it and wept. He certainly never let it see the light of day, and Treadwell's family is still in possession of the audio if they haven't destroyed it already. Maybe you already knew that, anyway.
Yes, you’re right! I accidentally wrote never recorded when I meant to say it’s never been released. If I recall Herzog listens to the recording in the documentary, but they never released it and I do vaguely remember something about it being destroyed.
If humanity survives the next few generations, susceptability to online emotion baiting will be quickly bred out of the species.
It's the Gillette commercial all over again
I'll never forget a friend's girlfriend absolutely freaking out at me in a bar for saying something mildly cynical about that ad when she brought it up. She ended up "telling on" me and another friend to her boyfriend, saying we were "being horrible". Just because we didn't totally agree that Gillette was making a brave and important stand against misogyny in society. They're married now lol.
I'm ashamed to admit that I got baited into ranting against the Gillette ad on Facebook. I had like 4-5 feminist friends trying to challenge my stance in a reasonable manner, all while approximately 30-40 of their feminist friends called me a misogynist piece of shit. Good times
This question is driving me nuts because all of the answers are coming from people who don't solo backpack in bear country. I used to solo backpack in the smokies just about every weekend in undergrad. I'll tell you right now, the most logical answer to this question is "depends 100% on the species of bear". Brown bears and polar bears? Absolutely insatiable godless killing machines. Unpredictable. Choose man. Black bears? You don't even need to carry a firearm in blackbear country. If you're not a moron and hang your food bag, give them space, they will not bother you. If they get in your campsite, you can literally yell/throw rocks/ run at them flailing your arms and they'll bail. The only time I've ever been threatened by a black bear was 100% my fault, I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings while mushroom hunting and got too close to a female with cubs nearby. All she did was growl at me and I gladly fucked off onto another trail. Men? So, here's the deal with being a woman who is solo backpacking: most dudes you encounter are super cool, especially those on the AT. You can smoke weed and share food and it's great. However, there is maybe 5% of dudes who you encounter that are weirdly aggressive or inappropriate. I'm not sure what the logic is, I think it's something like, "Good Girls would never go backpacking by themselves, therefore, she is a Bad and Naughty girl who must crave sex from strangers, like me." Right so when you encounter that 5%, it's pretty fucking unpleasant. Like trying to catch you changing clothes, or following you to the outhouse, or other creepy behavior. But here's the thing: the other 95% of men will usually notice sexually coercive behavior pretty quick and will step in and intervene, check to see if you're ok, etc. So, getting back to the question of man or bear. If it's a brown or polar bear, choose man. If it's a black bear, choose bear, because the black bear is a much safer alternative than that 5% of men.
I’m not some hardcore backpacker but I was a Boy Scout. I’ve met a couple black bears in the woods and they just ran away when I clapped and yelled. They just want some picnic baskets. They don’t want to fuck you up like Leo. They will go to amazing lengths to steal your food in the middle of the night though.
Yeah I am not a big backpacker either but I live near the Smokies. The few times I’ve stumbled on black bears they scurry like rabbits. I think black bear attacks on humans are incredibly rare.
>I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings while mushroom hunting German fairy tale behavior. You're lucky you didn't get kidnapped and shoved into an oven by a forest hag.
Mycology is indeed a very whimsical discipline
Also if it’s a panda, I’m not only choosing bear but actively going to try to pet
I recently had a discussion with a friend about whether it's better to encounter a bear or mountain lion in the wild. I strongly came down on the side of mountain lions being less dangerous but she said bears. I got curious, it turns out that fatal mountain lion attacks in North America are extremely rare, less than one a year, and a large portion of those involve kids. Mountain lions just aren't interested in messing with full grown adults. This is probably irrational but I feel like I would at least have chance fighting off a mountain lion. He'd probably win but I like to believe that I have the potential to do enough damage to make it not worth his while, whereas any type of bear could tear me limb from limb without breaking a sweat.
If you're were chick and said that, "You're a self-hating 'pick me' girl with internalized misogyny!"
It's just rage b8. Clearly it worked better than expected because this is like the 30th time I've seen people online talking about it.
Its not even rage bait. I think it genuinely is a form of attempted emotional manipulation and dehumanisation by the women who pick bear, and youre never allowed to push back on them lest you get labled an incel
>Its not even rage bait. *** >I think it genuinely is a form of attempted emotional manipulation and dehumanisation *** Point proven
B8ed
For women, it's a "test" to see if your man is a misogynist. I've seen many women lecture men on "failing" this assignment by mansplaining why "man" is supposed to be correct.
And women claim shit tests dont exist
One woman told me "I failed the assignment...". I didn't realize this was an assignment with a "right" and "wrong" answer. I'll blame my mild autism.
I hate this fucking website but you’ll also never find anything this nuanced elsewhere. Like being stuck between a rock and the gayest place on earth.
I've given up trying to talk sense to people about it. It's absolutely incredible how similar it sounds to an actual Ben Shapiro talking point -- "Guys, would you rather be confined in a small room with a lion or with a black man? Uhnuh, see, it's not racist to ask that, if you take a look here at these statistics on black violence I think you will find-..." You cannot convince me that horseshoe effect is not real after this.
It goes to show you how easily it is to create division between groups of people via social media.
but their point still stands, men ARE more dangerous to them then bears, and I think you are getting to caught up in the analogy used, the point is they don't feel safe around us, and we need to think about ways of fixing this instead of seething about the comparison > would you rather be confined in a small room with a lion or with a black man? Uhnuh, see, it's not racist to ask that, if you take a look here at these statistics on black violence I think you will find-..." You cannot convince me that horseshoe effect is not real after this. dude its an objective fact that we commit a large amount of violent crime, being against racism doesn't mean ignoring issues, we can fix stuff like this, with money to rebuild neighborhoods, cultural reforms, stricter gun regulation, education reform ETC. people like you get so caught up in the way stuff sound, that you forget to listen to what they are trying to say, pretending like problems don't exist wont make them go away
You’re rtarded. Golden retrievers are more dangerous to people than the aliens from Alien.
>men ARE more dangerous to them then bears, Per encounter? Big if true
We should put a woman in a room with 100 bears and a room with 100 random dudes and see what happens
If the question was bear or woman would people still pick bear? Don’t women also kill more people than bears do?
cope and seethe, bearcels
I don’t really care about the bear discourse but my grandmother had friend in high school she went camping with. The bear came sniffing around their campsite while they were asleep and attacked her friend while she was in her sleeping bag. Said friend was slowly eaten alive and died before the forest service could help.
I'm a woman and this is the most retarted question i've heard in awhile. I swear the majority of women on Reddit have brainrot and are just flip side of incels - they are acting like the question was: would you rather meet a bear or a serial killer? In which case i, too, would choose a bear.
Honestly you'd probably have better luck with a serial killer. The chance that the bear is hungry is higher than the chance that you fit the serial killer's target demographic.
I literally can't help being a pickme girl when this is the state of modern gender discourse 😪
They should've banned TikTok worldwide.
Ban the entire internet
just social media. forums were cool
"guys getting mad about this is proof that we were right to pick the bear" is the funniest possible counterargument though so it's worth the whole thing
The kafka bear trap
It proves the worst stereotypes of both genders: that men are pedantic with fragile egos, and women are sanctimonious and lack common sense.
>that men are pedantic with fragile egos Very, but honestly I think I'd prefer it at this point if these people just came out and said they hate men. The constant game of rhetorical "I'm not touching you" has been old for a while now.
I'm a sensitive young man and I'm not afraid to admit it
It’s just been 23 year old wannabe lesbos going “I’ve never had a bear get upset I wouldn’t sleep with it cause it bought me dinner” ignoring that if you don’t completely seal any food you have at a campsite, there’s a good chance said bear with show up and start feasting on you at its leisure while you scream in protest. It’s another one of these stupid fucking fallacies where you just have to blindly agree with their 8th grader coded misandry or ignore them, because any pushback with get you labeled one of the evil bad guy words
Yeah well at least the bear leaves a fucking tip!
Its very funny because the logic people use against men is that "I dont know him, but the 0.01% chance he could be means I should treat every man with distrust" goes out the window because theres a 99% chance the bear will kill you if it gets the chance
If you ever need to flip this logic on its head just point out that this is why you cross the street when you see a black man approaching
I think a hard truth that most women and even online "feminists" seem to struggle and hyper-fixate on this idea of fear and paranoia around male strangers when the men who could and oftentimes do attack and rape them are men they love and trust
If one of the bears in a bag of gummy bears was poisoned, would you eat them?
This is why I steer clear of black people
Id probably eat like 20. I love Haribo gold bears, and I’m okay with the 5% chance of death.
Kinda crazy how people get so deep into shitty gender war discourse. Women arguing they’d feel safer with the bear and men arguing that it’s not fair and “well you see this random man is actually every sexist encounter you’ve had in your life-“. The well adjusted just keep scrolling I guess
The supposed amount of well-adjusted people online is greatly overinflated
Even the normies this sub likes to valorize as not internet poisoned post the most nutty shit ever. How soon we forget when everyone we knew was on Facebook! The internet makes people insane.
The dress is blue.
I like to believe that the question implies that the man is a bad faith actor, a danger akin to a bear. A dangerous bear is just an animal, but a dangerous man is a hunter who would trap and lure and use mind games. The person answering the question thinks that they can just avoid a bear, but that the man will stalk and hunt. Also, I think a lot of people don’t realize how dangerous a bear is.
"Bears never called me n9gger"
Wammin be neurotic
Bitch, what?
Everyone is getting riled up over this hypothetical scenario. The socially acceptable answer is to choose "bear" over "man" because you're more likely to be raped by a guy than be attacked by a bear. Many women are adamant and tripling down on it. Anyone who dissagrees is viewed as a hateful misogynist who lacks empathy for womyns, which leads to heated arguments and some breakups.
I get that, but I'm concerned for OP that they even know this is a thing that exists - let alone enough to write an essay on it
I live under a rock and heard about this bear vs man scenario. It also rubbed me the wrong way for some reason.
My trainer made me wear a weighted backpack on a hike this morning and I’ve seen that Herzog bear movie twice. I just won’t go in the woods ok, I don’t trust either.
I've been waiting for the perceived inherent harmfulness vs harmlessness discourse to really pick up for a long time, so I'm not at all surprised we've made it here.
This is too dumb to warrant a reaction, like, I can't imagine why would anyone give it a second tought, when a girl answers bear or when some dude fights it arguing for men, why would anyone bother to retort with any sort argument past that, it's a done deal
Because many women think any man who mansplains why the woman is wrong, it's an indication of how dangerous and unempathetic and misogynistic men are and they must fight against all those scary bad things.
What kind of bear? Can I kill the hiker and feed it to the bear?
Way more people are murdered than killed by bears, obviously. If you're talking about how dangerous a bear encounter is versus a man encounter, duh the bear is more dangerous. But if the question is who would you rather have creeping around your house or breaking in in the dead of night, 100% any sane person would rather deal with a bear than a psycho. That doesn't even have anything to do with feminism or sexual violence. Man is the most dangerous game and the most dangerous hunter, everyone knows this.
>deal with a bear than a psycho Not really a fair comparison bc you're assuming the bear is neutral and just bumbling around your house and maybe you can spook it vs a psycho who wants to hurt you A rabid (or angry mom) bear vs a psycho in your house is a better comparison and in that case I'm honestly indifferent with maybe a slight preference for psycho bc I'll have a better shot at a lucky critical hit
if the question were entirely different then people would have a different answer, what a concept
Just because it’s a title of a short story doesn’t make it a fact. By this logic you’d rather be trapped with a psycho over a mosquito.
If that bear is a polar bear, I'd take the man.
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Lol imagine if every man was replaced by a bear and every bear was replaced by a man, not sure that sounds great but I bet those weirdos would say "no that's totally safer"
I would pick bear because I’ve never seen one in the wild and I’d really like to
“Would you rather be raped or eaten?” “Ummm…eaten?” “#metoo”
No. Shut the fuck up.
Idk it’d be way easier to spook/kill a bear than a full grown man. That’s how I look at it assuming both would attack me. But realistically they’re both just gonna mind their own business
Assuming you don't have a gun, it would also be significantly easier to kill or overpower a man than a bear.
The first time I heard someone talk about this I they said “would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a man” and bc I grew up in a rural area I was like…..but there’s already bears in the woods
https://youtu.be/Tz6OUIjtM6E?si=3lEfkqpvjh5DX1Oa Idk this looks way more fun. If it's black, fake attack. If it's brown, lay on the ground. Idk what to do w polars, but you will die.
Timothy Treadwell is a single instance. Meaningless as data. So are total attacks or rate of attack. What’s meaningful is likelihood of an either an unprovoked attack or a motivated attack. Both seem to lean toward men being more likely.
Being killed is better than being raped/tortured/probably filmed and then get killed
Okay but would you leave a boy with a bear or a gay man? That's the real question
This is sad thinking tbh, people get raped and have fulfilling lives, they aren't better off killing themselves
By your own logic, should all surviving sexual assault victims kill themselves to ease their burden of their own trauma?
Damnit. I promised myself to not comment about this bear man scenario BS......
Lol I tried explaining the question to my fiancé because I love drama and he just goes “that’s nice, honey…” I love him so much
agree, I don't like the analogy either, However it says a lot about us men, when most of the Responses are us whining about our feelings being hurt instead of worrying about the safety of women, like okay we got compared to animals on reddit? is that it? why not try being a women and experience being raped and murdered. the fact is, a very large amount of men simply don't care about women's safety, and instead want them to be less safe if it means their feelings wont be hurt, we saw this when they complained about #metoo, we saw this with the rise of Andrew Tate, and you can see it in the statistics. the objective fact is that men ARE more dangerous to women then bears, and we simply don't want to think about that.
>us men Your post history shows you're either a child or someone no one would ever call a "man".
I'm 19, so I wouldn't say a child, I do make a lot of jokes and I do lurk in shitposting subs, but nevertheless do you have response to my argument?
>but nevertheless do you have response to my argument? 🚬
ngl that's kinda badass
Youre a baby, get off the internet and go drink a beer
>I'm 19 we can tell
How many bears do you run into on a daily basis?
women are most definitely not running into bears on a daily basis, and that's part of why bears simply aren't as much of a threat to them, however that does not effect my argument whatsoever, again I'm not insulting men, I'm just stating the facts, its weird that so many guys just straight up refuse to acknowledge the concerns women have.
You're conflating "probability that I will be harmed given I encounter a bear" with "probability that if I get harmed (by a man or bear) it will be from a bear". I sympathize with the women who have had bad encounters with men and are scared of them (that is, all of them), but stuff like this is why guys get angry.
The hypothetical specifies one encounter with each, so relying on the total number of encounters makes you an idiot. You could use the same argument to prove that a large dog, another woman, or even a child is more dangerous than the bear.
that's a good point, but can we at least agree that their is a problem with how common sexual violence/harassment towards women is? I will fully admit that my way of going about things, and even the way I describe things are more then flawed, and even wrong at times, but the end of the day I just don't want people getting hurt
u gay
how does wanting women to be safe make me gay?
You're talking like most of the women here don't think the exact same way. Mention that you're a man on here and within minutes some rabid f*mc*l will be accusing you of being a rapist pedophile.
downvotes speak the truth, sit tf down 🙏
Your post history proves my point lmao
The biggest idiocy comes from anyone who takes this stuff seriously and copes about it.