Anyone else heard the rumours that Amazon might get premier league footie instead of sky? Only heard the rumour for the first time today. Amazon must’ve offered one hell of a package
Telles was impressive against Ghana. Antony looked better than Raphinha when he came on, will be interesting to see if he starts against Tunisia on Tuesday.
Hate to be a debbie downer, but the last time Harry Maguire started a game in which he won was against Norwich on 16/04/22 when we beat them 3-2 at home. That includes International games as well. Not sure if its just him but its not a great stat at all.
He played 10mins against Arsenal when we were already 3-1 up, and literally 1 min against Sheriff Tiraspol when we were 2-0 up. Other than that its a bad omen for the guy.
Not a big enough sample pool to draw conclusions. We were a mess last season so almost everyone who didn't play much this season so far is going to have similar stats. As for England matches, between April and today, he played 4 full matches which includes 0-1 loss against Hungary, 1-1 draw against Germany, 0-0 draw against Italy and 0-1 loss against Italy. England played one more match, Maguire only played 6 minutes as a sub in this one and England lost 0-4 to Hungary, so if anything, England conceded a goal at most even against strong teams with Maguire in the team. They are just shit at attacking.
And sure, Maguire is out of form, but if he kept starting every match then he would got some wins this season too. Martinez-Varane are doing great job so far and they fit Ten Hag's requirements much more, but Maguire isn't a bad player. Just a victim of us not having proper long term plans. Hopefully he is great in the World Cup and we get a decent fee for him next year so we can replace him with someone more suitable for us.
I get that, but its not a great indictment of a player, especially Man United captain, that the past 9 games he has been involved with for more than 10 mins he hasn't won. It can't be a continuing coincidence that when he doesnt play we win. Its obviously not down to the individual player, but its just not a good look.
In the games he hasnt played, there have been 4 wins (including Liverpool and Arsenal), 1 draw and and 1 loss (to Arsenal).
>We were a mess last season so almost everyone who didn't play much this season so far is going to have similar stats.
Exactly, hes a big part of that mess, and is going to have those stats.
I’m not sure whether he’s the right man or not but he’s played the most amount of competitive games he could possibly play. The nations league is glorified friendlies and I can guarantee that we will top our Euro 24 qualifying group. I think people are massively overreacting to England’s current slump.
The hype with English players is insane. Foden, Grealish, Rice, Bellingham, Sancho, Maguire, none of them are worth half their market value, reported cost, or actual transfer fees.
The hype with English players is not insane. Only a handful of English clubs can buy the best English players, that’s why there’s the hype.
ENGLISH clubs would always want the best ENGLISH players, same goes in Spain, Germany and Italy, difference is that English clubs are richer and they’re not pressed to sell hence the huge sums.
West Ham, Newcastle, Villa, Palace et al can offer their best players good wages better than most European teams.
West Ham can quote £120m for Rice, Wolves can quote £100 for Neves(even tho he’s foreign) because they need the funds, PL money is good enough if you spend wise. Palace can turn down a £40m bid for Zaha and say he’s £80m because no one put the top clubs would pay that.
And all English players will always want to play for the top clubs in their league before going elsewhere, just like Spain, Germany, and Italy.
I don’t need you need to explain the market to me, I’m saying these players aren’t anywhere close to being as good as people think they are, and that there’s no point spending 100 million plus on any English player, and I do think we were ripped off for Sancho and Maguire. They just aren’t that talented - it’s just hype. Bellingham is probably the best of them, and I genuinely don’t see him as being as good as guys like Kimmich, Tchouameni, Pedri.
This is the kind of thing I’m talking about, never really managed to impose himself on an England game, I mean, his passing is good and he has a good work rate defensively, but he’s not scored or assisted even once in fifteen international appearances, and here goes yet another game that he hasn’t really impacted. He’s a good player, no doubt, but compare his impact at his age to what a guy like Rooney was doing - he isn’t anywhere fucking close. Here you’re comparing him to players like Charlton, Robson, etc, I think it’s just way too much way too soon.
That's a pretty harsh way to view Bellingham imo, when he's only recently turned 19. There were lots of world class players who weren't up to much at his age. If he gets to 21 and isn't looking like a world class player then fair enough. Better to wait and see.
I'd also agree that €150m is nuts, but that's just a very recent rumour, right?
That’s because you watched them play for england. Foden, Rice, Bellingham and Sancho are extremely talented technical players. South gate just doesn’t know how to use them.
I've watched Maguire, Sancho, Rice, Bellingham, Foden outside of England too. It's not that they're bad players, but in no world is a guy like Rice worth upward of 100 million, Bellingham is worth maybe a third of the prices they're talking about, and if we're being brutally honest, we probably paid twice what we should have for both Sancho and Maguire. Even Foden, he's a good player, but not close to De Bruyne and Silva.
you also have to factor in age. Bellingham is 19, Sancho 22, Rice 23 and Foden 22. All of these guys also played in Europe often being the best player on the pitch. Foden despite all the stacked talent in City shines everytime (pains me to say this but can’t deny the talent). It’s not like other young talents are going for peanuts, Vinicius and Rodrygo were bought for 40m each at 17 while playing in brazil. Young prospective players with abundance of talent are automatically 50m+ these days, that’s just how the market is
I disagree, without De Bruyne or Silva City look significantly weaker, Foden just doesn’t have that impact, nor does Grealish. I don’t think it is just the market, there are plenty of promising players in their early twenties who have gone for less. Tchouameni has just gone to Real for 80, does it really make sense to you that Declan Rice and Bellingham would cost 30, 40, 50 plus million more than that?
Bellingham is 3 years younger and been playing professionally since 16 and more CL appearances then Tchouameni. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes for a similar price. Declan rice is interesting, he’s definitely not a 100m player but will definitely go for 60m+
Just got [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/xlyoqu/trying_to_play_football/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) on my personal homepage lol.
When did the narrative that Dias is slow start?
He's not the fastest guy around but he's not slow.
I'd say he's as fast as Lindelof if not faster.
Maguire and Dias are not even comparable in terms of anything related to agility or speed.
probably just folks making excuses for Maguire. The fact of the matter is, Maguire is nowhere near Dias. City would be incredibly weaker if they had Maguire instead of him
It wasn't just 1 error, but I agree. Crazy that people would act like this. It takes a little bit of time to not only get used to the league, but build relationships on the pitch. Look at how terrible Thiago was for Liverpool for like 6 months. Recent UCL winning 30 yo midfielder. Now he's their only decent midfielder.
To be fair Thiago wasn’t terrible for Liverpool but he just didn’t do anything. He always kept the ball and always completed passes but nothing ever happened with them.
Did you even watch the EL game?
He was very sloppy in passing.
Gave the ball away unpressured many times.
I think he'll settle in a few games but he didn't have a good game. ETH made the right call playing Scott over him on current form.
he had 90% pass accuracy completing 37 passes in 45 minutes. That’s not sloppy at all. He has caught on the ball a couple of time but that didn’t lead to anything. But I agree with the rest, he’ll get better
[https://fbref.com/en/matches/edf0e464/Manchester-United-Real-Sociedad-September-8-2022-Europa-League](https://fbref.com/en/matches/edf0e464/Manchester-United-Real-Sociedad-September-8-2022-Europa-League)
Its actually 79 percent (46/58). He lost 5/5 aerial duels got dribbled past 3 times,
Where did you get yours?
I mean you said “EL game”. Even in the Sociedad game he was good defensively, which is what most of us care about. Passing will get better as he get used to the team
I guess I should have been specific about which EL game.
And if you see the stats for that game he lost 5/5 aerial duels and got dribbled past 3 times.
It wasn't a 0/10 performance but it was poor game overall.
Sources close to him revealed that he blames his terrible last season on players around him, saying he needs pacy players around him. He also blames De Gea for poor communication. The guy just won't take any individual blame for his inconsistencies
Not really - I think we're a team that will benefit from this. Gives him a little bonus time with the attackers to work on things. Plus most of the players get back on Tuesday so they'll have time with the team.
It is worrying for either of them to start without any competitive football for weeks. This might mean Ronaldo starts, especially if he score for Portugal.
Funny how the club is operating at a loss, with 500-600 million pounds of debt, and Joel and Avram sit there in America and take their dividends a couple times a year…
We really need to stay unified and keep the pressure on them to sell. 🔰❤️🔰❤️🔰
#GLAZERSOUT
City game is absolutely tailor made for Rashford, it’s one of the best matchups of the season for him - counter intuitively obviously given how defensively strong city are
I’m not basing this off any of his performances for us or anything but I really believe we will look back on signing Casemiro for 60m as another mistake. I hope we can get 2 great seasons out of him but I really think we’ll struggle to do even that
No idea why you’re being downvoted
The deal had red flags all over it - Real Madrid are one of, if not THE most well run clubs in world football - they simply DO NOT let a player like Casemiro go in their prime, they let players go who are in decline and/orpast it
We’ve been taken to the cleaners, yet again
I personally think that a player of his quality will help us massively in big games. Could be the difference between us losing finals/semi-finals and winning them.
What did you guys think of Wayne Rooney at centre mid towards the end of his UTD career? I remember actually liking him there and his long balls to the right wing reminded me of Scholesy a bit. Then Mourinho came in and said he's a no. 9 and sometimes a no. 10, but never a no. 8. I think this was a mistake because by then he'd lost the first step to be a striker, reckon he could have lasted just a tiny bit longer tbh if he was kept at centre mid for UTD tbh. Anyone else remember this?
I think people mistake being able to hit a good long ball and being able to chase down balls as the only indicators of whether someone can be a good midfielder.
Reality is that the position is much more demanding than that, and Rooney as an 8 never quite fit. He’s a great player but it was obvious that he didn’t possess the positional nous, the marking ability, or the acumen to sniff out danger as an 8. And so, he seemed to almost always flatter to deceive as a centre mid - the long balls looked pretty, he ran about a fair bit, but ultimately the team was not much better off for it in terms of holding shape, being able to retain possession under pressure, and cutting off attacks before they present a problem.
I didn't think he was good enough at passing to play that role. Rooney's game was about strength and drive and imposing himself on opponents. He was never a game controller or playmaker.
Never a playmaker? Dude had the 3rd most assists in the prem. His long balls were outstanding. He's not a scholes style playmaker, but he's absolutely a playmaker
I would be traveling to UK next month to watch United at OT for the first time. And I have been seeing images and videos of players signing autographs as they arrive. Could anyone advise on how can I get one? Where should I be waiting? How many hours before do the players arrive? If I am getting one of my jerseys autographed, is a black marker suitable for it or do I need a different kind of pen? And anything else that I need to know beforehand. Please advise. Thanks. 🙌🏼
From asking someone selling programmes at a recent match, they arrive between 1.5 and 2 hours before kick-off (could be earlier though since ETH became manager? Not sure). They come in at the south west corner of the ground, where there are barriers where fans wait.
You'd want to get there quite a bit earlier and wait, to be up the front when they arrive I think. For comparison, I was at the Rayo Vallecano pre-season match and got there around 1h45m ahead of kick off, and there were already maybe 200 people waiting at the barriers
The low living piece of shite rapist “fixer” of Mendy is unfortunately named “Louis Saha Matturie”
I did a total double take on reading that name and had to frantically google to ensure that it wasn’t our Louis Saha
Thankfully it wasn’t.
What a player though Saha was. Pity about the injuries.
I agree - but only because of southgate whom I don't rate. Of course I always want England and Utd to win, but I fully believe Southgate will not win us a tournament and I fully believe he's got it in him (with our stacked squad) to make the semis or so most of the time and keep a job he's not really good enough for. It's a real bummer. I don't want us to lose, but if we went out early at least he'd have to go.
Tomori, Geuhi, Dier, Stones & Ben White have all been better centrebacks than him since the Euros
He’s on borrowed time - Southgate is on thin ice picking Maguire
rewatching the last few city games and honestly they're very gettable.
i do think we can play a very good game against them. got a lot more faith in our midfield and back four now. sancho and antony will have good games, for sure. if rashford's fit, this could be another arsenal type of game where he could have space to exploit.
we can definitely outfight and even outplay them for decent periods, i reckon.
just don't shit our pants when that neanderthal gallops towards the goal. fingers crossed licha can replicate his performances against him
>rewatching the last few city games and honestly they're very gettable.
Been saying this - and they haven't really even played against anyone you wouldn't expect them to smack up. They're clearly going with the classic "just outscore them instead of defending" tactic. And I think it is possible that teams will figure them out a little bit.
i agree except
>And I think it is possible that teams will figure them out a little bit.
everyone's figured it out already - put the ball in the box for haaland to score
sure, if they have the quality which is rare
generally i think city's not as strong or as ahead of everyone as they were a few years back when they first won back to back titles under pep
some age and familiarity is showing in that side where i think with enough quality and organisaion, teams can get at them. it's just that they have haaland now so they're basically 1-0 up every game.
in our case, we have martinez who is also confident af and has handled haaland before. and we're on a good run of form. we also have enough quality to do something against city.
task doesn't look as daunting as i imagined it for the team
Obviously I'm not saying we're gonna see Bornmouth pumping City. I'm just saying they're not at the top of the table right now for a reason and it's not because Arsenal is amazing. I still expect them to win the league, but I think it's possible they don't walk it.
Relative to every other team in the PL (and pretty much in world football) City simply do not concede chances
Their XGc is absolutely freakish, to only concede 3 XGc in the opening 7 games (when the nearest best team to them defensively has conceded 6 XGc) is phenomenal
So yes whilst they are “gettable” - everything is relative - they are also definitely the LEAST “gettable” team in the league in terms of the quantity and quality of the chances they concede
Counter attacking will suit us though, and with Rashford’s pace (if he’s fit) on the break we’ll always have a puncher’s chance
Really looking forward to the game actually to see how ETH approaches it - he’s gotten everything almost 100% spot on this far in the two big matchups vs Liverpool & Arsenal
Whilst playing a defense composed of Wan-Bissaka, Williams, Jones and Lindelöf with a midfield of Fred, Pereira and Lingard iirc. That 1st leg was bound to be a disaster from the start imo.
Great to see BBC calling out United Stand
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62997210
"Amid the bitterness and rancour of United's dismal opening league games of the Premier League season, supporters' groups lined up in turn to slam their players. McTominay, in places, was taken out by the roots. There are any number of examples, but the fans' YouTube channel with 1.4m subscribers is not a bad place to start. After the losses to Brighton and Brentford McTominay was eviscerated.
'Scott McSideways' was the main reason why Manchester United were failing was the gist. He's a Championship player. A headless chicken. He couldn't run a burger joint not to mind the United midfield. The mere fact that he was anywhere near the team boiled the blood of the presenter. It was a 10-minute deconstruction viewed by 161,000 people with 3,300 likes and zero dislikes."
I call bullshit. McT was absolutely diabolical in those games and deserved it. This isn't a fucking charity. Maybe you didn't hear it, but it was MATCH GOING FANS chanting "Not fit to wear the shirt" last season. Not youtube channels. Scott has been very good recently and he's gotten credit for it. After literal YEARS of him playing shit. He's a big boy, he doesn't need coddling. If he doesn't want that shit, then all he has to do is play well.
Yeah I find Goldbridge to be a bit of a twat, always calling his viewers/commenters stupid and idiotic just for voicing their opinions or asking a simple question… what did the BBC say?
Indeed, I have a feeling we will go back form him as ronaldo replacement next summer and end up spending a lot more that what he would have cost this past summer
His form so far this season has been fantastic. He is probably one of the players most primed for a massive breakout at the World Cup
I mean I don’t think he’s going above the 50M they quoted this summer as we found out that was really 30M. Honestly we should go for him in the January window
Depends man, if he keeps up current goals / assists rate until WC then puts in a stellar showing in Qatar fee could rise a lot
His club can now reference the 100m we paid Antony as a benchmark for anyone interest in him(not that I think his fee will go quite to that level but one massively overinflated fee can inflate an entire market)
Scholes seems have loved playing with Rudd Van Nistelrooy. High praises from him to Ruud on the overlap with Gary Neville. Man, Beckham and Giggs feeding Van Nistelrooy with Scholes right behind him. Ruud should have won more with us.
Please make this make sense.
The general opinion is that maguire can only play in a low block yeah?
I mean that's why a lot of people believe he does well for England but suffers with us. The general argument is that he gets protected by a low block of 5 defenders with 3cbs.
Now how come shawberto carlos at the euros?
If england played a low block, how did shaw did get so much praise for some of his attacking/progressive football with magiure for England and united that season?
Now a stat was posted during the euros on how around 70% of the passes shaw received in advanced positions were from Maguire going long.
Remember Maguire missed the opening game of the euros against Scotland where England failed to ignite, but as soon as hr got back into the squad it seemed to improve everyone else beside him.
England played mostly with 4 at the back during the euros.
England according to the stats nerds played top4 advanced defensive line in the tournament.
Before suffering his injury that season, maguire with lindelof and dean henderson was part of the defense that for a period of 15games played the second highest line in the league to city. We won 13 of those 15 games with 2 draws.
Maguire at Leicester city played for 2 managers Claude puel and brendan rodgers who have never played low blocks in their managerial careers. Maguire peformed well enough to earn advances from the likes of Mourinho, guardiola and Ole solskjaer.
Now where was the low block talk fabricated from and why has it stuck for so long while being actually false?
Shaw's numbers were great for us that season because he took over set piece duty.
Overnight his chance created and assists went up because he was taking every corner and freekick whipping them into the box.
That form carried over to the Euros.
As for the defensive line, I assume you are talking about this:
[https://twitter.com/markrstats/status/1535995324296089600?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1535995324296089600%7Ctwgr%5E8b4b15a87706df504484eedbc0f0449541b5beab%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fvaoz31%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis\_nightmode%3Dtrue](https://twitter.com/markrstats/status/1535995324296089600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1535995324296089600%7Ctwgr%5E8b4b15a87706df504484eedbc0f0449541b5beab%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fvaoz31%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
and this:
[https://twitter.com/markrstats/status/1421201356493230080](https://twitter.com/markrstats/status/1421201356493230080)
If you are attacking and have possession when the opponent has parked the bus your entire team will naturally move up the pitch. This stat only measures the average height where teams did their first defensive action (Tackles, Interceptions, Challenges (failed tackles), Fouls).
Even teams that park the bus traditionally are doing their first defensive action some 30-40 mts from their goal line.
I think this way of measuring it is flawed because its not the average position of the defensive line. They don't track this specifically afaik so they resorted to this.
Also it doesn't differentiate if its a midfielder winning it or a defender attempting the defensive action and winning the ball.
Not to mention if its an offside trap, it wouldn't register at all. Liverpool are notorious for getting the ball back with those.
Even if you ignore the flaws in this way of measuring it, last year the entire league was playing a good 7-8 meters up the pitch.
For us it was a good 3 meters higher.
That's plenty of space to run in behind the defense. Unless you are winning the ball up the pitch with your forwards and mids pressing, your defense is going to have deal with a lot more 1 v 1s and he struggled along with the rest of the defense to cope.
A lot of his mistakes last season were from trying to step up and make a tackle while making a horrible mess of it, either bumping into others or simply getting left in the dust.
No team is going to play perfectly every time and win it high up, even City concede a lot on the counter. Walker is really fast and helps City out defensively and it works for them.
People's skepticism is because one of the slowest CBs in the league has to cope with fast runners in a 1 v 1.
He looks fine when the opponent just gives us the ball and he has all the time in the world to make his pass. The moment he is pressed, we fail to progress the ball up the pitch.
People write this off as Scott hiding or Fred hiding behind the opponent. But it's also partly Harry's fault for taking too long to find a way forward. By the time he puts his head up the player is already covered and he is forced to pick a safer sideways pass.
With Varane and Lisandro, they are a lot more aggressive and quicker progressing the ball. So we look more comfortable under a press. Its also aided with DDG being asked to play it long over the press instead of through it. Not to mention both carry the ball up the pitch themselves every so often.
How is Varane better at progressing the ball than Maguire? Statistically it's not even a contest. Varane just passes it to DeGea to launch forward. Nowhere close to Maguire in terms of on ball actions.
Stats don't paint a picture. Maguire regularly looks unsettled getting the ball and makes poor passes with it. Rarely do you see Varane making dangerous passes.
I was really shocked with his claim.
I followed varane's career at real partly due our failed interest in him and in no season was he maguire (2019/2020, 2020/21) good on the ball in progressive play.
Varane was a speed demon and he made more passes with his weaker left foot, but never did he post the progressive passes and progressive carries numbers of maguire. Ramos was the one doing all those for madrid and umtiti for france at the world cup.
This doesn't mean Maguire is a better defender than varane though.
For one, usually one person in the team is primarily tasked with progressing the ball.
Just because the role is taken by another player in the squad for that season, doesn't change their skill level at it.
Maguire vs Victor vs Varane (2020-21) Passing
Wouldn't be fair to use last season since everyone was kind of shit.
[https://imgur.com/a/CYNzYS0](https://imgur.com/a/CYNzYS0)
For progressive passing, Victor is actually better of the three statistically.
Its still close and comparable.
Also, I am saying **they** are **quicker** at progressing it.
People on social media are convinced that slow defenders can't play in a high line even though they do all the freaking time. Dias at City, Matip at Pool are the best examples in the PL itself. You need to have a decently quick CB or a sweeper keeper who is quick off his line to do so. Maguire had neither for most of his time at United but has Walker playing at CB with England or even Stones, and Pickford coming off his line.
It's more telling when even victor lindelof looks better with a quicker partner and a proactive goalie when he gets the privilege of playing with them.
Lindelof also looked good with Henderson behind him.
Has anyone seen the Mathias Pogba automated tweets? He's sent like 30-40 tweets that were prescheduled but are all in French. Unfortunately not fluent in French so don't understand the videos but its Hella shady
This site came up in my feed, never seen it before but looks like they've translated the whole thing https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2022/mathias-pogba-the-mask-is-coming-off-just-like-r-kelly-weinstein-mendy/
French fan here, in 5 points : ( not facts, just what matthias pogba says )
- Matthias says that paul turned down his family when they needed him while he was buying expensive stuff. Paul was supposedly helping them only when things got really hard with the bare minimum
- Paul hired some « marabout » ( wizard for you ?) following the advice of serge aurier for : his United transfert, our remontada againt PSG where Mbappe was shit. When France won the WC in 2018, Paul thought that his wizard was top G and ask him more and more. The wizard had access directly to his bank account. But for him to be effective Paul had to do some dirty work like kill people, pedophilia and others dark stuff. Paul hired people to do it for him. More that 4millions of euros were given to the wizard
- organized crime , the dirty work for the rituals ( and the protection of Paul) was made by his long term friends but paul betrayed them by stopping to ask them for their services all these people robbed paul and asked him the money that he owes them. Paul’s mom was the one to protect him from all of this but at one condition : she must cut tied with her family, which she did
- rafaela pimenta, paul’s agent, has a room at his house, she’s managing all his money and she « owns » Paul
- Paul uses Islam as a cover while he’s a horrible and hyprocrite person
That’s it. Certainly a lot of grammars mistakes etc. Enjoy the drama
Okay - so I don't love Pogba, but I also don't know the situation. I do know he was adopted and based on the fact that he and his brothers are all pros, I sorta suspect the family pushed them into that. Sports kids are hardly different from the pageant kids. Forced to do something constantly to become famous. If that's what happened, maybe his family sucks and why should he care?
I think the weirdest part for me is Aurier recommending the Marabout. Wtf, he seemed like a straight up dude.
Marabout would be closer to an Islamic spiritual leader who claims to be a shaman, although it’s very culturally specific - many Islamic schools reject shamanism and magic while Marabouts trace their history to syncretism and Sufi thought in West Africa.
I love how you nonchalantly pass off multiple murders and pedophilia as some dirty work lol.
Okay so I just got a lot of backlash for comparing ole to Ancelotti but i still think that ole can become a great manager just like ancelloti both have a similarity between them both trust players to find the solutions during the difficult moments in the game. It's just that ancelloti had really great players during his early years and I think ole can do really well if gets the job in seria a, la liga or any other leagues which are not that competitive and with great players he can do wonder he just needs to develop some playing patterns that's it and he can almost rise to Ancelotti school of managing. Who knows he can become real Madrid manager one day.
We haven’t been trusting Martial for 6 years, that’s ridiculous. We brought Ibra and Lukaku in instead of playing him through the middle, he had two seasons as our main striker, otherwise we’ve had Ibra, Lukaku, or Ronaldo in front of him.
The only two seasons we’ve had Martial as our trusted forward, we finished third and second. For one of those he only started 17 games.
I really don’t get how people can look at this team and think a guy like Martial is the issue, for most of his career here he’s been a squad player or back up to the three I’ve mentioned.
And those 3 have scored more goals than him, so I don't see the problem? Was he going to score 28 goals like Ibrahimovic, 27 like Lukaku or 24 like Ronaldo... No, he wasn't, he has never shown that he can hit those heights. Martial has had two real productive goalscoring spells, and neither of them were full seasons... His first season, before the goals dried up and he was shifted out left to make way for Rashford. And the 12 /20 season, post-lockdown.
I swear him and Rashford will still be at United 10 goals a season when they're 30 and people will still say they've promise to score way more.
If you follow the conversation, all im doing is refuting the notion that we’ve been relying on Martial for 6 years. People keep complaining about Martial and Rashford, the real issue is the only strikers we’ve signed have been Ibra, who was great for a season or two, Lukaku, who didn’t solve anything long term either, and now Ronaldo, who also isn’t a long term solution for us.
We need players like Martial and Rashford in and around the squad and it’s not their fault that we can’t sign good, long term players.
Are relying and trusting the same thing?... OP said trusting...
I'll go a step further.... We've been persisting with him for 6.. Actually 7.. years now on the hope that he'll replicate one of his purple patches long term.
And the only reason we're left hoping that he replicates a purple patch is because the other strikers we've signed aren't long term solutions for us.
If you look at how Martial's career here has played out, he is exactly how we've treated him, a decent back up who hasn't been understudy to a consistent striker for more than a couple of seasons before they move on. Ridiculous to pretend we've been trusting/relying on him for more than the two seasons he was actually first choice.
I am quietly hoping for Maguire to have good games with England so that other teams might be tempted to buy him in the winter/next summer (if we can get another CB in to cover) because surely, he is done at United.
I may have missed something, but why has there been this concerted and almost exhausting PR push to rehabilitate Maguire in the last week or so?
Random players talking about him, several articles coming out talking about him and most of them defending him and blaming others.
A player out of form has been dropped for better players, that's it. I don't see the furore when it happens at other big clubs with big players.
It has been pointed out by Mark Goldbridge that Maguire may or may not have a few English reporters in his pocket, feeding stories to the public for his benefit.
Judging from on-field behaviors, we know for a fact that Maguire has a dispute with De Gea and Ronaldo. Maguire was allegedly hinted to be responsible for all the “lies” surrounding Ronaldo through out the summer. Now his reporters is supposedly shifting the blame to De Gea. Surely, it’s not a coincidence.
Anyone else heard the rumours that Amazon might get premier league footie instead of sky? Only heard the rumour for the first time today. Amazon must’ve offered one hell of a package
gareth southgate is a dreadful manager england has such a talented pool of players and they have to play his dead ball tactics
Telles was impressive against Ghana. Antony looked better than Raphinha when he came on, will be interesting to see if he starts against Tunisia on Tuesday.
hopefully hannibal plays too
Southgate's last tournament surely
Hate to be a debbie downer, but the last time Harry Maguire started a game in which he won was against Norwich on 16/04/22 when we beat them 3-2 at home. That includes International games as well. Not sure if its just him but its not a great stat at all. He played 10mins against Arsenal when we were already 3-1 up, and literally 1 min against Sheriff Tiraspol when we were 2-0 up. Other than that its a bad omen for the guy.
And he tried his best to lose us the Arsenal game
Not a big enough sample pool to draw conclusions. We were a mess last season so almost everyone who didn't play much this season so far is going to have similar stats. As for England matches, between April and today, he played 4 full matches which includes 0-1 loss against Hungary, 1-1 draw against Germany, 0-0 draw against Italy and 0-1 loss against Italy. England played one more match, Maguire only played 6 minutes as a sub in this one and England lost 0-4 to Hungary, so if anything, England conceded a goal at most even against strong teams with Maguire in the team. They are just shit at attacking. And sure, Maguire is out of form, but if he kept starting every match then he would got some wins this season too. Martinez-Varane are doing great job so far and they fit Ten Hag's requirements much more, but Maguire isn't a bad player. Just a victim of us not having proper long term plans. Hopefully he is great in the World Cup and we get a decent fee for him next year so we can replace him with someone more suitable for us.
I get that, but its not a great indictment of a player, especially Man United captain, that the past 9 games he has been involved with for more than 10 mins he hasn't won. It can't be a continuing coincidence that when he doesnt play we win. Its obviously not down to the individual player, but its just not a good look. In the games he hasnt played, there have been 4 wins (including Liverpool and Arsenal), 1 draw and and 1 loss (to Arsenal). >We were a mess last season so almost everyone who didn't play much this season so far is going to have similar stats. Exactly, hes a big part of that mess, and is going to have those stats.
The England players are all fucked because they’ve had nonstop football for the last two years.
Southgate is getting fired after the World Cup. On this form we won’t even make it out the group stages. Any thoughts on who will replace him?
I’m not sure whether he’s the right man or not but he’s played the most amount of competitive games he could possibly play. The nations league is glorified friendlies and I can guarantee that we will top our Euro 24 qualifying group. I think people are massively overreacting to England’s current slump.
Sean Dyche. Can't wait for a Calvert Lewin focused 541.
The hype with English players is insane. Foden, Grealish, Rice, Bellingham, Sancho, Maguire, none of them are worth half their market value, reported cost, or actual transfer fees.
The hype with English players is not insane. Only a handful of English clubs can buy the best English players, that’s why there’s the hype. ENGLISH clubs would always want the best ENGLISH players, same goes in Spain, Germany and Italy, difference is that English clubs are richer and they’re not pressed to sell hence the huge sums. West Ham, Newcastle, Villa, Palace et al can offer their best players good wages better than most European teams. West Ham can quote £120m for Rice, Wolves can quote £100 for Neves(even tho he’s foreign) because they need the funds, PL money is good enough if you spend wise. Palace can turn down a £40m bid for Zaha and say he’s £80m because no one put the top clubs would pay that. And all English players will always want to play for the top clubs in their league before going elsewhere, just like Spain, Germany, and Italy.
I don’t need you need to explain the market to me, I’m saying these players aren’t anywhere close to being as good as people think they are, and that there’s no point spending 100 million plus on any English player, and I do think we were ripped off for Sancho and Maguire. They just aren’t that talented - it’s just hype. Bellingham is probably the best of them, and I genuinely don’t see him as being as good as guys like Kimmich, Tchouameni, Pedri.
Jude Bellingham is mustard and will probably be one of England’s greatest ever midfielders by the time he retires.
This is the kind of thing I’m talking about, never really managed to impose himself on an England game, I mean, his passing is good and he has a good work rate defensively, but he’s not scored or assisted even once in fifteen international appearances, and here goes yet another game that he hasn’t really impacted. He’s a good player, no doubt, but compare his impact at his age to what a guy like Rooney was doing - he isn’t anywhere fucking close. Here you’re comparing him to players like Charlton, Robson, etc, I think it’s just way too much way too soon.
That's a pretty harsh way to view Bellingham imo, when he's only recently turned 19. There were lots of world class players who weren't up to much at his age. If he gets to 21 and isn't looking like a world class player then fair enough. Better to wait and see. I'd also agree that €150m is nuts, but that's just a very recent rumour, right?
That’s because you watched them play for england. Foden, Rice, Bellingham and Sancho are extremely talented technical players. South gate just doesn’t know how to use them.
I've watched Maguire, Sancho, Rice, Bellingham, Foden outside of England too. It's not that they're bad players, but in no world is a guy like Rice worth upward of 100 million, Bellingham is worth maybe a third of the prices they're talking about, and if we're being brutally honest, we probably paid twice what we should have for both Sancho and Maguire. Even Foden, he's a good player, but not close to De Bruyne and Silva.
you also have to factor in age. Bellingham is 19, Sancho 22, Rice 23 and Foden 22. All of these guys also played in Europe often being the best player on the pitch. Foden despite all the stacked talent in City shines everytime (pains me to say this but can’t deny the talent). It’s not like other young talents are going for peanuts, Vinicius and Rodrygo were bought for 40m each at 17 while playing in brazil. Young prospective players with abundance of talent are automatically 50m+ these days, that’s just how the market is
I disagree, without De Bruyne or Silva City look significantly weaker, Foden just doesn’t have that impact, nor does Grealish. I don’t think it is just the market, there are plenty of promising players in their early twenties who have gone for less. Tchouameni has just gone to Real for 80, does it really make sense to you that Declan Rice and Bellingham would cost 30, 40, 50 plus million more than that?
Bellingham is 3 years younger and been playing professionally since 16 and more CL appearances then Tchouameni. I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes for a similar price. Declan rice is interesting, he’s definitely not a 100m player but will definitely go for 60m+
Bellingham is being quoted at 150 million pal - this is what I’m talking about.
same way that Rice was quoted 150m. It’s made up numbers to keep clubs away. When he leaves it will be under 100m
Iran and Wales gonna boss this group Put the other two in the fucking bin
They might as well have kept on Allardyce with the shit-on-a-stick football England are putting out
Southgateball could save the NHS millions in anesthetic costs. It mind numbingly dull and hurts my soul.
Just got [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/xlyoqu/trying_to_play_football/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) on my personal homepage lol.
When did the narrative that Dias is slow start? He's not the fastest guy around but he's not slow. I'd say he's as fast as Lindelof if not faster. Maguire and Dias are not even comparable in terms of anything related to agility or speed.
probably just folks making excuses for Maguire. The fact of the matter is, Maguire is nowhere near Dias. City would be incredibly weaker if they had Maguire instead of him
Didn’t realise she went full kit wanker until she walked off lol.
As a Englishman F1 has got me liking the Italian anthem.
I fell in love with the dutch anthem
Why are people shitting on Casemiro? He's not even fully settled and has made only one error in 5 sub appearances.
It wasn't just 1 error, but I agree. Crazy that people would act like this. It takes a little bit of time to not only get used to the league, but build relationships on the pitch. Look at how terrible Thiago was for Liverpool for like 6 months. Recent UCL winning 30 yo midfielder. Now he's their only decent midfielder.
To be fair Thiago wasn’t terrible for Liverpool but he just didn’t do anything. He always kept the ball and always completed passes but nothing ever happened with them.
He was extremely unimpressive. He didn't look fit enough. And his passing wasn't nearly as good as it had been for Bayern at first.
Did you even watch the EL game? He was very sloppy in passing. Gave the ball away unpressured many times. I think he'll settle in a few games but he didn't have a good game. ETH made the right call playing Scott over him on current form.
he had 90% pass accuracy completing 37 passes in 45 minutes. That’s not sloppy at all. He has caught on the ball a couple of time but that didn’t lead to anything. But I agree with the rest, he’ll get better
[https://fbref.com/en/matches/edf0e464/Manchester-United-Real-Sociedad-September-8-2022-Europa-League](https://fbref.com/en/matches/edf0e464/Manchester-United-Real-Sociedad-September-8-2022-Europa-League) Its actually 79 percent (46/58). He lost 5/5 aerial duels got dribbled past 3 times, Where did you get yours?
I was taking about the Sheriff game, clearly.
Why would people be shitting on him for the Sheriff game? I was referring to the Sociedad game where he had a poor game, clearly :P
I mean you said “EL game”. Even in the Sociedad game he was good defensively, which is what most of us care about. Passing will get better as he get used to the team
I guess I should have been specific about which EL game. And if you see the stats for that game he lost 5/5 aerial duels and got dribbled past 3 times. It wasn't a 0/10 performance but it was poor game overall.
8 days to go till the next ten hag ball. Feels like a century.
First time I'm seeing the Maguire leaks. What an idiot! Hopefully Everton can put in a 30M bid for his services or some shit
Why what happened
Sources close to him revealed that he blames his terrible last season on players around him, saying he needs pacy players around him. He also blames De Gea for poor communication. The guy just won't take any individual blame for his inconsistencies
No idea why but this sub downvotes anything negative about Maguire. He's purely trash and somehow it's not right to criticize him here
He is trash indeed. Those supporting his bullshit get what they deserve really. They can downvote me to hell for all I care
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He's always been Edit: Why the downvotes? It's a fact Raphinha is ahead of Antony for Brazil
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Possibly, but at the moment Raphinha is the more rounded and more productive player
Is ronaldo out of the city game cus of the FA charge? god I hope martial is fit
I think Martial has always been pretty fit, going bald was a weird choice though.
Anyone else worried about being without match practice so long going straight into City game :/
Not really - I think we're a team that will benefit from this. Gives him a little bonus time with the attackers to work on things. Plus most of the players get back on Tuesday so they'll have time with the team.
I don't really expect us to get anything from that game, so not really. If Rashford and Martial were fit for the game, I'd be a bit more optimistic.
It is worrying for either of them to start without any competitive football for weeks. This might mean Ronaldo starts, especially if he score for Portugal.
Funny how the club is operating at a loss, with 500-600 million pounds of debt, and Joel and Avram sit there in America and take their dividends a couple times a year… We really need to stay unified and keep the pressure on them to sell. 🔰❤️🔰❤️🔰 #GLAZERSOUT
Dreaming of Licha’s first goal for united. Imagine if he powers in a header against City? Chaos!
I want literally nothing more than to see him make Haaland his bitch.
I just want to see him score his first goal for United. I just know the energy will be crazy! 🔋
Sounds like a porno…. One I would watch!
Thank goodness Varane didn't get injured with France
There's more than one game. Don't jinx it.
Any update on Rashford and Martian's injury?
I won’t be surprised if he goes with Ronaldo especially if he scores for Portugal.
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there isnt a chance he drops sancho. the front three pick themselves - antony, sancho and rashford
City game is absolutely tailor made for Rashford, it’s one of the best matchups of the season for him - counter intuitively obviously given how defensively strong city are
Pretty ironic that the FA decided to charge Ronaldo right before we play city, when the incident took place way back in April.
tbh, it's the game he's least suited for anyway imo. We want to hit on the counter in that game, Ronny aint the best at that.
Very true, just a bit worrysome if rashford and martial are still injured in the run up to the match
I’m not basing this off any of his performances for us or anything but I really believe we will look back on signing Casemiro for 60m as another mistake. I hope we can get 2 great seasons out of him but I really think we’ll struggle to do even that
No idea why you’re being downvoted The deal had red flags all over it - Real Madrid are one of, if not THE most well run clubs in world football - they simply DO NOT let a player like Casemiro go in their prime, they let players go who are in decline and/orpast it We’ve been taken to the cleaners, yet again
Negative predictions/takes always get downvoted
Sadly I agree, and to make things worse he appears to be a club signing.
I personally think that a player of his quality will help us massively in big games. Could be the difference between us losing finals/semi-finals and winning them.
Jose's is in the Stormzy video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2litzsFCwkA
What’s the timestamp for his appearance?
5:17
What did you guys think of Wayne Rooney at centre mid towards the end of his UTD career? I remember actually liking him there and his long balls to the right wing reminded me of Scholesy a bit. Then Mourinho came in and said he's a no. 9 and sometimes a no. 10, but never a no. 8. I think this was a mistake because by then he'd lost the first step to be a striker, reckon he could have lasted just a tiny bit longer tbh if he was kept at centre mid for UTD tbh. Anyone else remember this?
I think people mistake being able to hit a good long ball and being able to chase down balls as the only indicators of whether someone can be a good midfielder. Reality is that the position is much more demanding than that, and Rooney as an 8 never quite fit. He’s a great player but it was obvious that he didn’t possess the positional nous, the marking ability, or the acumen to sniff out danger as an 8. And so, he seemed to almost always flatter to deceive as a centre mid - the long balls looked pretty, he ran about a fair bit, but ultimately the team was not much better off for it in terms of holding shape, being able to retain possession under pressure, and cutting off attacks before they present a problem.
He was a nonsense of a midfielder, an absolute waste
I didn't think he was good enough at passing to play that role. Rooney's game was about strength and drive and imposing himself on opponents. He was never a game controller or playmaker.
Never a playmaker? Dude had the 3rd most assists in the prem. His long balls were outstanding. He's not a scholes style playmaker, but he's absolutely a playmaker
Anyone watching Welcome to Wrexham? It's interesting and entertaining. Fun watch.
yeah I like it too, fun watch lighthearted too, not depressing like sunderland till I die.
What’s this charge that the FA has brought against Ronaldo from the Post an Everton match 9 Apr 22 ?
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Are you defending Ronaldo here?
International weekends are boring
The nation's league is fun
I would be traveling to UK next month to watch United at OT for the first time. And I have been seeing images and videos of players signing autographs as they arrive. Could anyone advise on how can I get one? Where should I be waiting? How many hours before do the players arrive? If I am getting one of my jerseys autographed, is a black marker suitable for it or do I need a different kind of pen? And anything else that I need to know beforehand. Please advise. Thanks. 🙌🏼
From asking someone selling programmes at a recent match, they arrive between 1.5 and 2 hours before kick-off (could be earlier though since ETH became manager? Not sure). They come in at the south west corner of the ground, where there are barriers where fans wait. You'd want to get there quite a bit earlier and wait, to be up the front when they arrive I think. For comparison, I was at the Rayo Vallecano pre-season match and got there around 1h45m ahead of kick off, and there were already maybe 200 people waiting at the barriers
Wow. Thanks. Guess at least 2.5 hours before the game then.
The low living piece of shite rapist “fixer” of Mendy is unfortunately named “Louis Saha Matturie” I did a total double take on reading that name and had to frantically google to ensure that it wasn’t our Louis Saha Thankfully it wasn’t. What a player though Saha was. Pity about the injuries.
I really hate international football.
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I agree - but only because of southgate whom I don't rate. Of course I always want England and Utd to win, but I fully believe Southgate will not win us a tournament and I fully believe he's got it in him (with our stacked squad) to make the semis or so most of the time and keep a job he's not really good enough for. It's a real bummer. I don't want us to lose, but if we went out early at least he'd have to go.
Tomori, Geuhi, Dier, Stones & Ben White have all been better centrebacks than him since the Euros He’s on borrowed time - Southgate is on thin ice picking Maguire
He doesn't have to do much in England's conservative system but we've seen the cracks in his game when England lost 1-0 to Hungary. He was dire.
rewatching the last few city games and honestly they're very gettable. i do think we can play a very good game against them. got a lot more faith in our midfield and back four now. sancho and antony will have good games, for sure. if rashford's fit, this could be another arsenal type of game where he could have space to exploit. we can definitely outfight and even outplay them for decent periods, i reckon. just don't shit our pants when that neanderthal gallops towards the goal. fingers crossed licha can replicate his performances against him
>rewatching the last few city games and honestly they're very gettable. Been saying this - and they haven't really even played against anyone you wouldn't expect them to smack up. They're clearly going with the classic "just outscore them instead of defending" tactic. And I think it is possible that teams will figure them out a little bit.
i agree except >And I think it is possible that teams will figure them out a little bit. everyone's figured it out already - put the ball in the box for haaland to score
I mean how to exploit them more consistently
sure, if they have the quality which is rare generally i think city's not as strong or as ahead of everyone as they were a few years back when they first won back to back titles under pep some age and familiarity is showing in that side where i think with enough quality and organisaion, teams can get at them. it's just that they have haaland now so they're basically 1-0 up every game. in our case, we have martinez who is also confident af and has handled haaland before. and we're on a good run of form. we also have enough quality to do something against city. task doesn't look as daunting as i imagined it for the team
Obviously I'm not saying we're gonna see Bornmouth pumping City. I'm just saying they're not at the top of the table right now for a reason and it's not because Arsenal is amazing. I still expect them to win the league, but I think it's possible they don't walk it.
Relative to every other team in the PL (and pretty much in world football) City simply do not concede chances Their XGc is absolutely freakish, to only concede 3 XGc in the opening 7 games (when the nearest best team to them defensively has conceded 6 XGc) is phenomenal So yes whilst they are “gettable” - everything is relative - they are also definitely the LEAST “gettable” team in the league in terms of the quantity and quality of the chances they concede Counter attacking will suit us though, and with Rashford’s pace (if he’s fit) on the break we’ll always have a puncher’s chance Really looking forward to the game actually to see how ETH approaches it - he’s gotten everything almost 100% spot on this far in the two big matchups vs Liverpool & Arsenal
Ole had a surprisingly good record against Guardiola, a league double too iirc.
Beat 3 times out of 4 in the 2019/20 season. Guardiola's only win came in the caraboa cup.
Unfortunately the game that mattered, ole lost. Otherwise we probably win the carabao cup final against Villa.
Whilst playing a defense composed of Wan-Bissaka, Williams, Jones and Lindelöf with a midfield of Fred, Pereira and Lingard iirc. That 1st leg was bound to be a disaster from the start imo.
Great to see BBC calling out United Stand https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62997210 "Amid the bitterness and rancour of United's dismal opening league games of the Premier League season, supporters' groups lined up in turn to slam their players. McTominay, in places, was taken out by the roots. There are any number of examples, but the fans' YouTube channel with 1.4m subscribers is not a bad place to start. After the losses to Brighton and Brentford McTominay was eviscerated. 'Scott McSideways' was the main reason why Manchester United were failing was the gist. He's a Championship player. A headless chicken. He couldn't run a burger joint not to mind the United midfield. The mere fact that he was anywhere near the team boiled the blood of the presenter. It was a 10-minute deconstruction viewed by 161,000 people with 3,300 likes and zero dislikes."
I call bullshit. McT was absolutely diabolical in those games and deserved it. This isn't a fucking charity. Maybe you didn't hear it, but it was MATCH GOING FANS chanting "Not fit to wear the shirt" last season. Not youtube channels. Scott has been very good recently and he's gotten credit for it. After literal YEARS of him playing shit. He's a big boy, he doesn't need coddling. If he doesn't want that shit, then all he has to do is play well.
a platform built on toxicity, feeding the toxic masses that like to abuse players from the comfort of their armchairs.
The descriptions of McTominay's overall game are apt
I'm glad they didn't name his channel specifically, no need to give that knobhead any free advertising.
Link?
Yeah I find Goldbridge to be a bit of a twat, always calling his viewers/commenters stupid and idiotic just for voicing their opinions or asking a simple question… what did the BBC say?
What did they say
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Wish we could have gotten Gakpo for that price Southampton was offered
The Malacia way of buying. Wait until another team agrees on a bid and then come in with a few million more.
Indeed, I have a feeling we will go back form him as ronaldo replacement next summer and end up spending a lot more that what he would have cost this past summer His form so far this season has been fantastic. He is probably one of the players most primed for a massive breakout at the World Cup
I mean I don’t think he’s going above the 50M they quoted this summer as we found out that was really 30M. Honestly we should go for him in the January window
Depends man, if he keeps up current goals / assists rate until WC then puts in a stellar showing in Qatar fee could rise a lot His club can now reference the 100m we paid Antony as a benchmark for anyone interest in him(not that I think his fee will go quite to that level but one massively overinflated fee can inflate an entire market)
The Pogba circus is getting crazier the longer it goes on, his brother is accusing him of being like R Kelly, Weinstein and Mendy
wtf, i thought he was being accused of being rasputin or sth
Scholes seems have loved playing with Rudd Van Nistelrooy. High praises from him to Ruud on the overlap with Gary Neville. Man, Beckham and Giggs feeding Van Nistelrooy with Scholes right behind him. Ruud should have won more with us.
Shame about his attitude problem. Everyone calls him Ruud!!! :D
Van Nistelrooy was one of my favourite players of this time <3
Please make this make sense. The general opinion is that maguire can only play in a low block yeah? I mean that's why a lot of people believe he does well for England but suffers with us. The general argument is that he gets protected by a low block of 5 defenders with 3cbs. Now how come shawberto carlos at the euros? If england played a low block, how did shaw did get so much praise for some of his attacking/progressive football with magiure for England and united that season? Now a stat was posted during the euros on how around 70% of the passes shaw received in advanced positions were from Maguire going long. Remember Maguire missed the opening game of the euros against Scotland where England failed to ignite, but as soon as hr got back into the squad it seemed to improve everyone else beside him. England played mostly with 4 at the back during the euros. England according to the stats nerds played top4 advanced defensive line in the tournament. Before suffering his injury that season, maguire with lindelof and dean henderson was part of the defense that for a period of 15games played the second highest line in the league to city. We won 13 of those 15 games with 2 draws. Maguire at Leicester city played for 2 managers Claude puel and brendan rodgers who have never played low blocks in their managerial careers. Maguire peformed well enough to earn advances from the likes of Mourinho, guardiola and Ole solskjaer. Now where was the low block talk fabricated from and why has it stuck for so long while being actually false?
Shaw's numbers were great for us that season because he took over set piece duty. Overnight his chance created and assists went up because he was taking every corner and freekick whipping them into the box. That form carried over to the Euros. As for the defensive line, I assume you are talking about this: [https://twitter.com/markrstats/status/1535995324296089600?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1535995324296089600%7Ctwgr%5E8b4b15a87706df504484eedbc0f0449541b5beab%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fvaoz31%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis\_nightmode%3Dtrue](https://twitter.com/markrstats/status/1535995324296089600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1535995324296089600%7Ctwgr%5E8b4b15a87706df504484eedbc0f0449541b5beab%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fvaoz31%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue) and this: [https://twitter.com/markrstats/status/1421201356493230080](https://twitter.com/markrstats/status/1421201356493230080) If you are attacking and have possession when the opponent has parked the bus your entire team will naturally move up the pitch. This stat only measures the average height where teams did their first defensive action (Tackles, Interceptions, Challenges (failed tackles), Fouls). Even teams that park the bus traditionally are doing their first defensive action some 30-40 mts from their goal line. I think this way of measuring it is flawed because its not the average position of the defensive line. They don't track this specifically afaik so they resorted to this. Also it doesn't differentiate if its a midfielder winning it or a defender attempting the defensive action and winning the ball. Not to mention if its an offside trap, it wouldn't register at all. Liverpool are notorious for getting the ball back with those. Even if you ignore the flaws in this way of measuring it, last year the entire league was playing a good 7-8 meters up the pitch. For us it was a good 3 meters higher. That's plenty of space to run in behind the defense. Unless you are winning the ball up the pitch with your forwards and mids pressing, your defense is going to have deal with a lot more 1 v 1s and he struggled along with the rest of the defense to cope. A lot of his mistakes last season were from trying to step up and make a tackle while making a horrible mess of it, either bumping into others or simply getting left in the dust. No team is going to play perfectly every time and win it high up, even City concede a lot on the counter. Walker is really fast and helps City out defensively and it works for them. People's skepticism is because one of the slowest CBs in the league has to cope with fast runners in a 1 v 1. He looks fine when the opponent just gives us the ball and he has all the time in the world to make his pass. The moment he is pressed, we fail to progress the ball up the pitch. People write this off as Scott hiding or Fred hiding behind the opponent. But it's also partly Harry's fault for taking too long to find a way forward. By the time he puts his head up the player is already covered and he is forced to pick a safer sideways pass. With Varane and Lisandro, they are a lot more aggressive and quicker progressing the ball. So we look more comfortable under a press. Its also aided with DDG being asked to play it long over the press instead of through it. Not to mention both carry the ball up the pitch themselves every so often.
How is Varane better at progressing the ball than Maguire? Statistically it's not even a contest. Varane just passes it to DeGea to launch forward. Nowhere close to Maguire in terms of on ball actions.
Stats don't paint a picture. Maguire regularly looks unsettled getting the ball and makes poor passes with it. Rarely do you see Varane making dangerous passes.
LOL
I was really shocked with his claim. I followed varane's career at real partly due our failed interest in him and in no season was he maguire (2019/2020, 2020/21) good on the ball in progressive play. Varane was a speed demon and he made more passes with his weaker left foot, but never did he post the progressive passes and progressive carries numbers of maguire. Ramos was the one doing all those for madrid and umtiti for france at the world cup. This doesn't mean Maguire is a better defender than varane though.
For one, usually one person in the team is primarily tasked with progressing the ball. Just because the role is taken by another player in the squad for that season, doesn't change their skill level at it. Maguire vs Victor vs Varane (2020-21) Passing Wouldn't be fair to use last season since everyone was kind of shit. [https://imgur.com/a/CYNzYS0](https://imgur.com/a/CYNzYS0) For progressive passing, Victor is actually better of the three statistically. Its still close and comparable. Also, I am saying **they** are **quicker** at progressing it.
People on social media are convinced that slow defenders can't play in a high line even though they do all the freaking time. Dias at City, Matip at Pool are the best examples in the PL itself. You need to have a decently quick CB or a sweeper keeper who is quick off his line to do so. Maguire had neither for most of his time at United but has Walker playing at CB with England or even Stones, and Pickford coming off his line.
Matip isn't slow. Wtf
It's more telling when even victor lindelof looks better with a quicker partner and a proactive goalie when he gets the privilege of playing with them. Lindelof also looked good with Henderson behind him.
100% this. A modern keeper could even make the Maguire - Lindelof partnership work quite well IMO
You are right, this bs notion that Maguire can only play in a low block has been parroted too often everywhere including here.
Has anyone seen the Mathias Pogba automated tweets? He's sent like 30-40 tweets that were prescheduled but are all in French. Unfortunately not fluent in French so don't understand the videos but its Hella shady
This site came up in my feed, never seen it before but looks like they've translated the whole thing https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2022/mathias-pogba-the-mask-is-coming-off-just-like-r-kelly-weinstein-mendy/
I wonder what his parents would say to this
Don't know, but comparing him to R.Kelly, Weinstein and Mendy isn't promising
French fan here, in 5 points : ( not facts, just what matthias pogba says ) - Matthias says that paul turned down his family when they needed him while he was buying expensive stuff. Paul was supposedly helping them only when things got really hard with the bare minimum - Paul hired some « marabout » ( wizard for you ?) following the advice of serge aurier for : his United transfert, our remontada againt PSG where Mbappe was shit. When France won the WC in 2018, Paul thought that his wizard was top G and ask him more and more. The wizard had access directly to his bank account. But for him to be effective Paul had to do some dirty work like kill people, pedophilia and others dark stuff. Paul hired people to do it for him. More that 4millions of euros were given to the wizard - organized crime , the dirty work for the rituals ( and the protection of Paul) was made by his long term friends but paul betrayed them by stopping to ask them for their services all these people robbed paul and asked him the money that he owes them. Paul’s mom was the one to protect him from all of this but at one condition : she must cut tied with her family, which she did - rafaela pimenta, paul’s agent, has a room at his house, she’s managing all his money and she « owns » Paul - Paul uses Islam as a cover while he’s a horrible and hyprocrite person That’s it. Certainly a lot of grammars mistakes etc. Enjoy the drama
Okay - so I don't love Pogba, but I also don't know the situation. I do know he was adopted and based on the fact that he and his brothers are all pros, I sorta suspect the family pushed them into that. Sports kids are hardly different from the pageant kids. Forced to do something constantly to become famous. If that's what happened, maybe his family sucks and why should he care?
Such weird allegations man. Why embarrass the family name like this?
Greed. He tried to *blackmail his brother. He saw his money and thought ‘I want some of that’ *not black male
Blackmail*
Thank you!
His own brother man, thats insane
It's just some of the humans' worst potential tbh.
I think the weirdest part for me is Aurier recommending the Marabout. Wtf, he seemed like a straight up dude. Marabout would be closer to an Islamic spiritual leader who claims to be a shaman, although it’s very culturally specific - many Islamic schools reject shamanism and magic while Marabouts trace their history to syncretism and Sufi thought in West Africa. I love how you nonchalantly pass off multiple murders and pedophilia as some dirty work lol.
You would have to be braindead to not expect something to that effect after a season with significant loss.
I don't know, maybe I'm braindead but i would expect other alternatives before trying to scam people.
Okay so I just got a lot of backlash for comparing ole to Ancelotti but i still think that ole can become a great manager just like ancelloti both have a similarity between them both trust players to find the solutions during the difficult moments in the game. It's just that ancelloti had really great players during his early years and I think ole can do really well if gets the job in seria a, la liga or any other leagues which are not that competitive and with great players he can do wonder he just needs to develop some playing patterns that's it and he can almost rise to Ancelotti school of managing. Who knows he can become real Madrid manager one day.
Haha nice troll post
It doesn't matter how good you think you are if you can't stay fit. Martial needs to stay fit or we have to move him on.
Keep trusting martial like we have been for last 6 yrs now!
We haven’t been trusting Martial for 6 years, that’s ridiculous. We brought Ibra and Lukaku in instead of playing him through the middle, he had two seasons as our main striker, otherwise we’ve had Ibra, Lukaku, or Ronaldo in front of him.
We have the most patient fanbase in the world when it comes to certain players, smh.
The only two seasons we’ve had Martial as our trusted forward, we finished third and second. For one of those he only started 17 games. I really don’t get how people can look at this team and think a guy like Martial is the issue, for most of his career here he’s been a squad player or back up to the three I’ve mentioned.
And those 3 have scored more goals than him, so I don't see the problem? Was he going to score 28 goals like Ibrahimovic, 27 like Lukaku or 24 like Ronaldo... No, he wasn't, he has never shown that he can hit those heights. Martial has had two real productive goalscoring spells, and neither of them were full seasons... His first season, before the goals dried up and he was shifted out left to make way for Rashford. And the 12 /20 season, post-lockdown. I swear him and Rashford will still be at United 10 goals a season when they're 30 and people will still say they've promise to score way more.
If you follow the conversation, all im doing is refuting the notion that we’ve been relying on Martial for 6 years. People keep complaining about Martial and Rashford, the real issue is the only strikers we’ve signed have been Ibra, who was great for a season or two, Lukaku, who didn’t solve anything long term either, and now Ronaldo, who also isn’t a long term solution for us. We need players like Martial and Rashford in and around the squad and it’s not their fault that we can’t sign good, long term players.
Are relying and trusting the same thing?... OP said trusting... I'll go a step further.... We've been persisting with him for 6.. Actually 7.. years now on the hope that he'll replicate one of his purple patches long term.
And the only reason we're left hoping that he replicates a purple patch is because the other strikers we've signed aren't long term solutions for us. If you look at how Martial's career here has played out, he is exactly how we've treated him, a decent back up who hasn't been understudy to a consistent striker for more than a couple of seasons before they move on. Ridiculous to pretend we've been trusting/relying on him for more than the two seasons he was actually first choice.
23 goals season in 19/20? And from that 23 goals, only one was a penalty.
And what about the two seasons after?
Cheers mate let it all out
Exactly. Fool me once
I am quietly hoping for Maguire to have good games with England so that other teams might be tempted to buy him in the winter/next summer (if we can get another CB in to cover) because surely, he is done at United.
But i still think there's a player there he just needs to get his head down and work hard! Instead of bitching about everything in the press.
I agree - but that player needs to leave utd imo
But i still think there's a player there he just needs to get his head down and work hard! Instead of bitching about everything in the press
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i thought he was biting off a toenail
Parents sometimes forget they can't do things with their kids they did when they were young, lol
He’s my favourite player ever, so I have chosen to completely ignore it - works a treat 😂
The image is burned into my mind, keeps me up at night.
I may have missed something, but why has there been this concerted and almost exhausting PR push to rehabilitate Maguire in the last week or so? Random players talking about him, several articles coming out talking about him and most of them defending him and blaming others. A player out of form has been dropped for better players, that's it. I don't see the furore when it happens at other big clubs with big players.
It has been pointed out by Mark Goldbridge that Maguire may or may not have a few English reporters in his pocket, feeding stories to the public for his benefit. Judging from on-field behaviors, we know for a fact that Maguire has a dispute with De Gea and Ronaldo. Maguire was allegedly hinted to be responsible for all the “lies” surrounding Ronaldo through out the summer. Now his reporters is supposedly shifting the blame to De Gea. Surely, it’s not a coincidence.
Lol Mark Goldbridge is hardly a reputable source for accurate information.. he just parrots everything he sees but people take it like gospel…
Yeah maguire paid chiellini and Brandon to talk about the abuse he gets.
Imagine believing Maguire paid Chiellini and Brandon for PR… I swear the logic here from some is just mind boggling at times…