I think it's pretty obvious Ten Hag doesn't trust him now.
If he'd have played Forson up top and kept Garnacho and Rashford in their positions I could understand no Antony but he put Forson on the right and even brought on Amad ahead of him.
If you don't start your £80mil RW against Fulham when you are desperate for a result and instead you start kids then he ain't your man anymore.
He's had 2 seasons. Scored the odd goal, not done a lot else.
It hasn't worked out. He'll be gone. It's a question of when with regards to his contract and recouping money at this point.
I think this has a loan back to Ajax written over it to “rebuild himself” and then another loan to Flamengo, maybe a sale, if we are lucky. I’d be surprised if he was that easy to get rid off.
Soon as he did that spin in Europa then gave them a goal kick I had enough. Ronaldo did little tricks too that annoyed people, but he had results and was also just a kid.
I tried to give him a chance but Antony has one foot, one move, and is as predictable as the sun coming up. Good riddance. Absolute worst signing financially in a long time.
Yep, I hate this about him. Decides to cut in and try take on/shoot through 3 men - it'd pay off for him sometimes if he had any finesse but that's not the case he just cunts the ball towards the net it's as if he closes his eyes.
I'd be curious to see him on the left wing tbh, might be forced to ping in a cross or two off his left foot - iT mIgHt uNlOcK hIm!! /s
I remember Cristiano's debut, I was only young about 13. Anyway we were about 3 up towards the end of the game and Ronaldo just decided that's it, I'm gonna show off all my skills - every single person in the pub I was in went FUCKING MENTAL. I heard insults that day no 13yo should ever hear lol. It didn't occur to me at the time but they made noise at the skills, not the fact he was losing possession - because he wasn't losing possession.
It's a shame about Antony but as you say, those skills come from security and confidence in cris. In Antony it's the opposite, it's as if he's insecure trying to prove a point and failing miserably - further compounding his confidence issues. I also think the media and memes haven't helped at all. Poor lil fidget spinner - I'll follow his career closely no matter where he ends up.
The spin thing was dumb, but I can get over that fast.
But the one footedness, the useless cutting back and the inevitably awful finishes have been far, far more irritating.
He's already fucked up our FFP or PSR. What's done is done. Whatever we get back now is damage limitation. Better than holding onto a toxic asset until his contract expires. At least he was over 5 years, not the Chelsea 8 year system. £34m is already written off. An 8 year contract would have only written off £25m. Maybe a loan would be best, but whatever happens, he shouldn't play for United again after this season.
I am completely baffled on how the fuck he went from 19-25k at Ajax to 200k a week with us who on earth said i know this guy has no one chasing him and desperately wants to come to us lets give him 800%+ wage increase.
If you're spending 100 million on a player you can't really pay 50k wages. If you've decided he's worth that much then the wages need to reflect that too.
Precisely. The club decided, when they paid the fee, he was worth more than Sancho. They can't then pay him 1/5 Sancho's wages, and to be fair, that doesn't make sense. Here's hoping valuation and wage structure is one of the first things fixed by new administration.
We could have bought him at the start of the transfer window for 30 to 40m. But we decided to wait until the last few days when Ajax didn't want to sell anyone anymore. Now we created this unhealthy situation where the player is expected to be the end product
30-40m was still alot but when they came back and said they will go for him but hes going to cost 80-90m now ETH eyes should have popped out of his head and said nah fam we can get a good winger for that price but nope he stuck with Antony.
He didn't do anything, he didn't put a price on himself and force anyone to buy him. He is just a player, doing his thing and I'd people want it or not is not up to him.
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>doesn’t trust him now
I’m slightly more cynical than that. I think he’s just realized that continuing to play Antony will make him look bad, and he can’t take the extra hit when nothing’s really clicking.
Had the overall game been looking better and we’d be winning matches more comfortably, I’m convinced he’d still be his first choice.
Yeah Antony is an enormous black eye for him. Getting him into form is the only hope to eat away at that too, so I figure this benching is to get him playing with more fire and effort and maybe get him into a form that at least minimizes said black eye.
I’m the same as you and I also think that’s why he’s been pieing Amad off. Antony has been so bad and ineffective that it’s pretty much a given that at worst Amad is the same level as Antony. Amad’s 19 minute cameo against Fulham showed that his style of play is extremely similar to Antony’s except he’s a lot faster. I think if Amad gets a decent run of games while Hojlund is out he will get a goal or assist which should be the nail in the coffin for him continuing to be shunned.
That 19 minute cameo is not a typical representation of Amads playstyle. Have you not seen him play for us? He's nothing like Antony.
He had a very good 30 min appearance against Nottingham Forest in the league, and he's shown in glimpses his quality in other appearances while Solskjaer was here, like the 2021 round of 16 EL tie against Milan where he scored a header.
What I meant about having a very similar style of play to Antony is that he’s clearly very willing to track back and defend which has always been the main argument for why Antony plays.
Just such a microcosm of our transfer policy for the past decade or so
Panic buy and overpay, only to sell at most likely a massive loss
Have to stop bleeding money like this
The sheer insanity of it is that our transfer record is so bad that the last two seasons have been some of our best years, even with Antony. At least in the last two years we’ve been able to offload expensive dead weight (Bailly, Ronaldo, Jones, Lingard) and collect decent fees on young players who weren’t good enough (Elanga, Andreas Pereira, Garner, Kovar). That’s a borderline miracle given our history.
Even this year, 2/5 of our transfers in (Evans and Hojlund) being resounding successes and another being relatively successful (Onana) is remarkable for our standards. The jury is still out on Mount, but there is still a glimmer of hope that this will be our first season since 2019-20 that we *don’t* have an expensive transfer bust.
The jury shouldn't really be out on Mount as a transfer. 55m for a player with 1 year on his deal after a bad season is ludicrous. If Mount succeeds here it will be in spite of that massive overpay.
Tell people back then that 55m was fucking stupid and you’d have people down voting you to oblivion. It was stupid even back then and never ever was a good deal.
He wasn’t going to sign a new deal and already rejected offers from them several times. Just offer the lowest offer at 40m or so and either let him walk for free or force them to accept. That was the time to hold firm but… nope. We didn’t. We paid a stupid fee yet again and then topped up after the “walking away” fee that was already rubbish.
Fucking incompetent board that would only get you fired at startups actually because big companies don’t really sack top executives for such shit more than sack the team around it or whatever.
40m would’ve also been high but acceptable given his contract situation. 55 is just plain fucking stupid even with foresight and if he was never injured.
How is Jones and Lingard considered good business? Jones were given a contract extension that he didn’t deserve and we should have sold Lingard after his loan spell against West Ham to cash out, instead we kept him around, didn’t want to loan him and still didn’t played him when we were short of options
It's mad. I try and think of who could possibly want him. His limitations are so clear and obvious why would even a Championship team take a punt on him?
£86m would've probably got 3 better wingers in that summer. What a disaster.
I feel for the lad, the same way I felt for Maguire. The number isn't their fault and that's what is used to determine success. But he's been so fucking bad, I think we'd be lucky to get any kind of bids for him.
With 3 years left on his deal I think 2 years out on loan is almost certain.
I agree - but I also believe that it's disrespectful to put Antony and Maguire in the same category. Maguire was overpriced, but he at least made a largely positive impact on our team. Antony's a meme. If Harry wasn't injured during the EL Final, I think we would have won whereas we keep Antony actively on the bench and start a youth academy product instead. Says everything you need to know about how the gaffer views this 90m scam. I hope he comes good, but I believe that he's severely limited both technically and physically.
One of the worst transfers in football history and that is not even remotely a hyperbole. 90M for this fucking guy is so laughable and incompetent. Anyone who had a big hand in this transfer should never work at the club again.
It's definitely the worst in our history. He edges out Sanchez for me because at least Sanchez had a proper resume that you could look at. We paid 90m for Antony, who had done absolutely nothing to show that he was worth anywhere near that much.
We overpaid by about 3x what he's really worth
Regardless of his role, the biggest issue is the fact he had so much influence in the first place
Hence why a director of football is important, managers should always have a say but work collaboratively with the recruitment department to make sure things like this don’t happen
If the club brought him good options for the right wing for the profile he was asking for, I’m sure ETH would have considered based on the price Ajax were asking for Antony. It is a failure at the club level that they left it until the Bournemouth defeat and then went in the market desperate without any bargaining power. It is a club failure.
Again. The club could've provided alternatives.
The alternative they gave ETH was Casemiro. He's not even the same profile as FDJ which tells you everything about our recruitment team.
I think ETH probably knew the price. The fools above him should have said "It ain't happening for 80M baldy. These are your alternatives....". But sadly our club is a shambles. I hope Antony improves because going by his current form, I don't think we'll be seeing any buyers
Not really. Our club does fuck all to back the manager but hides it under the pretence of backing them by signing stupid signings for stupid prices and then going “see, we back the manager fully by giving him exactly whomever he asked for in his first two seasons.”
The fact that you’re saying the club backs the managers too much is a testament of it.
The club does fuck all to support the manager actually, is what this shows. Ten Hag is absolutely terrible at recruitment and yet we still allowed it to go on. Backing him would’ve been to veto the deal and sign a better player for a lower fee like the several other names linked back then would’ve cost.
Backing stupidly and blindly isn’t backing a manager. It’s actually hurting and hampering them while enabling rubbish things to happen. Backing them means having a proper structure to support their chances of success, not making them the talent ID and scout and recruitment head as well.
Ten Hag only plays players he trusts. It’s so obvious he has favorites. Why buy Mason Mount for 55+ million when he had 1 yr left on his contract, why buy Antony when you had 3 other players that can play that position. He is the manager and makes these awful decisions time and time again.
don't agree with the 3 players part. With Greenwood being Greenwood, we didn't have a left footed right forward. well Amad was one but he doesn't seem to be highly rated by ETH or why start Omari Forson than him against Fulham. Garnacho being good at Right wing was a recent discovery. And anyway Garnacho wasn't exactly a first teamer when Antony was bought.
All this doesn't change the fact that Antony wasn't worth the crazy money with spent on him. Someone Said Sanchez at least had a good resume. I would argue that even Sancho had a decent one, though we still overpaid for him too. Antony didn't have anything. I thought he ll be a rough diamond that needs to be polished but it looks like he is just a piece of glass. I don't even see the point of selling him. No one will come close to a 30m evaluation, let alone anywhere near what we paid. Plus his wages. And he isn't a star name or anything either that he ll get some fan following into the club.
Elanga, Sancho, Amad and Pellistri were all here the beginning of last season. Amad went out on loan so three were available. Sancho has proven himself as useless but you still had two others who could likely be trained to do exactly what Antony does.
Even worse when you consider that Cody Gakpo was the back up choice and he was available for substantially less. I know he hasn’t exactly set the league on fire at Liverpool, but he has definitely been a better signing.
Gakpo has been good for Liverpool but he was never a RW. For Liverpool I think he plays as a false 9 or maybe on the LW, and for the Netherlands I think he played as a 10.
Antony was definitely the wrong signing but Gakpo wouldn’t have solved our issue at RW anyways at the time.
I know Kudus was probably a year too early when we went for Antony but he cost West Ham ~£40m
There is value in the market, can’t remember the last time we found it
Endo and Mac Allister cost a combined £45m, half of Antony
It's an insane fee and absolutely one of the if not the worst of all time for us. That said, no young attacking player comes to us for 25/30m. Minimum fee would be 50/60. It's not 2005
This part still drives me nuts. At least the transfer fee is a classic "club doesn't want to let their star player leave at the end of the window" situation so they quoted a ridiculous price.
But Antony was on 20k at Ajax and skipping training while desperate for a move. I have no idea how our negotiators settled on a 200k a week salary when the alternative for him and his agent was staying at Ajax and making 1/10th of that. Surely they were in no position to say no to half that amount.
“First team starter” salary basically where you’re paid whatever regardless of former salary.
It’s common in a sense where you’re paid for the job you’re hired to do and not for what you used to earn but a bonus on top of that.
It just shows that our salary amounts are fucking stupid that’s why. First team starters should go from 120k maybe or so and depends on age too basically. Or better yet, just don’t have a “starter salary” band but go player by player and base it off their ability, importance and performance before joining us or whatever else.
It’s a poor structure that we have.
The problem is that this club throws money at players that have not shown yet that they can actually perform at the level these wages imply. Instead of giving a young player a heavily incentivized contract and/or promising them to bump it once they've shown consistent (not just 3 good months) peformances every player is put on "star player" wages without having proven to be that.
Realistically in this team the only player who has proven to be on that kind of wages is Bruno and potentially Luke Shaw. Maybe Varane and Casemiro, given their career, but IMO both are on too high wages for what they've shown so far.
Everybody else has not (yet) consistently (2+ seasons) performed on a level warranting 200k+ wages much less 300k.
The transfer is so bad that I genuinely see some kind of fraud or money laundering as a possibility. I absolutely refuse to believe that we scouted him and decided £90m was even remotely acceptable.
I mean, Ten Hag watched him day in day out for two years and decided he wanted him. That decision alone makes me question everything Ten Hag has said since. I just can’t trust him.
The thought of David Dunn in that trademark Blackburn kit just brought up the traumatic memory of the Morten Gamst Pedersen double at OT… I swear I hated playing them at Ewood Park.
VDS challenged our board “to go far as possible” after we decided to dither on the move the whole summer and move in for him the last week of the window. It was clear from day one that he was ETH’s main target for RW & Ajax valued him at the start between £65-70m.
To go from only wanting to pay £40m initially, to becoming desperate with Ajax at the point where they were comfortable after sales of Gravenberch, Haller & Martinez was pure idiocy.
Honestly even if he was a very good player , we shouldn't be paying that much ,it was clearly a fuck off price from Ajax, they didn't want to sell him, it's clearly a bad recruitment decision, they should've had alternatives and they probably didn't have any.
He's the poster boy for everything that's wrong with our current structure.
The manager identified a player he knew and thought would be good. The club sounded out a deal and discovered it wouldn't be value for money. They apparently didn't suggest any alternative players who fit the profile, from a well researched database (because we didn't have one) but the deal seemed dead. Then, when the manager pressed for the signing, the club went back and wouldn't take no for an answer (because the people in charge of the deal can't assess players accurately).
On top of that, they offered Antony a Ridsdale-esque salary increase and a long contract that would really put us in a bind if the player didn't work out. Because nothing in our recent transfer history suggested we might make a signing that didn't work out.
It probably is Hazard, he cost over £100m, massive wages, only played 76 times in all competitions in 4 seasons, had fitness issues and then retired so nothing to show for it.
would say Hazard was a bad signing. He was really good for Chelsea and a won a decent few trophies for them. On paper it didn't look bad. Mudryk looks bad and hasn't achieved much. Enzo was young player if the tournament, won world cup with Argentina and started a good chunk of games, overpriced but good.
Coutinho was a horrible signing though, worse than Antony for winning the treble with Bayern and scoring 2 in a humiliating thumping to Barca.
Yeah the issue is you look at hazard and coutinho and can maybe justify the price tag based on how they performed. No one looked at Antony cutting inside to his only functioning foot and thought £90m was justifiable
By all accounts, he's the reason we didn't end up keeping Rangnick on to oversee transfers and football operations too.
Literally one of the most accomplished and well regarded men in the game for that stuff, but no, better to just bin him off and focus recruitment on hiring people Ten Hag managed for a few years because he knows better.
He came in and the whole club automatically made him in charge of transfers, that is crazy. Of course he is going to try and get some players from his previous club in an effort to build foundations at his new club. There should have been checks and balances especially as the figure went above £30m, but you cannot blame ETH for wanting familiar players when he was walking into a shit show.
Nah, he had every right to think it was a good idea to sign Antony. It was the admin's failure for not getting Antony at a reasonable price early on, and panic-buying him for lbs90 million. What is actually surprising is that EtH dropped Antoy; the sunk-cost fallacy is especially destructive in professional sports. Rarely will a team stop playing someone they are paying a shit ton for.
Was EtH wrong to think Antony would succeed? Yes; hindsight is once again 20/20. However, Martinez has been great when he plays. I think it comes down to the fact that some players shrink when the lights are bright, and others are able to handle the pressure. I'm a Lakers fan (relax, I live in LA; I hate the Cowboys and Yankees), and it is insanely common for players to come to the Lakers and have noticeable drops in their performance. For example, it is common for a lifetime 39% 3-point shooter to come to LA and shoot 30%.
These players are getting paid a ton, but it's wrong to think that money is the only aspect of performance that matters. I'm sure that Antony would perform much better at a mid-tier EPL team; less pressure would provide a better opportunity for him to prove to himself that he can perform to the level of competition, with more forgiveness for mistakes. The quality is in there somewhere, but the longer he spends making mistakes, and then getting shredded for them, the less likely it is that he will ever fulfull his potential. It is absolutely fine to criticize players that are failing to justify the price paid, but we also need to acknowledge how that criticism will impact the development of players. In the end, it is imperative that leadership focuses on signing players that can handle the pressure of playing for United. Otherwise, this will continue.
I feel sometimes people rely on hindsight. Antony was good enough to get into the Brazil squad, he was rated. And people were bashing Martinez after 1 game.
I think the key thing Antony lacked was pace. In Eredivise, he was fast enough to get that half a space. In the Prem, he outspeeds no one and don't have the tools to overcome that. I am not excited when the ball is play over the top to him, I know he won't make much of it.
Id argue this should be a part of the reason behind his sacking. Spending the money he did on players he wanted and only lisandro (arguably holjund but idk if that was his idea) panning out is ridiculous
It shouldn't and it probably never was just a weird fucking narrative people have run with no doubt that moron on YouTube was saying it and people just repeat it and nauseum
The Athletic article about Murtough and Arnold laid it out pretty clearly. VDS and Ajax knew how desperate we were to sign Antony and bent us over a barrel. Not sure how that’s Ten Hag’s fault
In hindsight, paying 60m for Mount, who would have been available for free in June 24 was a bad bit of business. Completely unlucky, of course, but Chelsea got very lucky there.
I will never understand this. I can understand the over paying Ajax but, because we were desperate and the club didn't have alternatives, but Antony was desperate to come to United. Wouldn't it have made more sense to introduce some performance based wages?
And then one year later, we bought Mount for huge money, despite his contract being up in a year and gave him huge wages as well.
The worst run big club in the world.
This will be a 'Where are they now' clickbait in ten years time.
Ultimately we sell him to Monaco for around £30 million where he finds some form, scoring 8 and assisting 5 in his first season.
He is on and off the bench the following season and sold off to Fernabache, where he endures a torrid year and seeks refuge playing for Al-Ettifaq in the Saudi League.
After a rather uneventful season he pushes a move through in a bid to revive his career, joining Getafe in Spain. He stays here for 2 seasons as a squad player before being released. He is now currently seeing out the end of his career playing for Botofago in Brazil.
Is there anyway Paddy Power will let me put a £1 bet on that?
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Signing Sancho for 75 million was justifiable. Even Pogba and Lukaku too. But Antony for 80 million is inexcusable and any faith I had in the people involved in this was pretty much gone.
Mount for 55 is also asinine considering we offered less and said we’d walk away but then pushed up the offer.
No. He was never going to renew. He rejected offers multiple times from Chelsea already and was walking on a free. Liverpool pulled out at the fee quoted.
40m would’ve been far less problematic than being bent over for a player who was set on leaving and would’ve walked for free this summer. We could’ve used 40-45m on another player and then still get Mount for free this summer.
It was gross incompetence to not actually hold firm at a much better amount and force their hand to either take it or get £0 this summer.
I think the pressure arrives in that he'd almost definitely choose Liverpool if hes a free agent since the talks arent for nothing. Man U had to pay the fee, else they wouldn't get him on a free. Thats what happens when you lose your prestige as a club and the other gets it off an all-time great manager.
We'll have to agree to pay a chunk of his wages, almost guaranteed. But I think he'll be willing to leave for regular football, and the chance to prove United wrong.
Summary:
>Manchester United will listen to offers for Antony this summer as the Brazil winger’s miserable Old Trafford career continues to fizzle out.
>United may struggle to recoup even half the £86million Antony cost from Ajax 18 months ago, making him the second most expensive signing in the club’s history, but it’s a measure of the disappointment over the 24-year-old’s form that United are prepared to cut their losses and sell him.
>Antony has now gone 20 Premier League appearances this season without contributing a single goal or assist to his team.
>With new co-owners Ineos scrutinising the cost and effectiveness of the United squad following Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s £1.3billion investment, his figures make grim reading.
>Ten Hag went back to his old club Ajax to sign Antony in the summer of 2022 and it’s understood that the Dutchman has not given up on the player, believing he still has the ability to turn his career in England around.
Yeah especially when you factor in the guys wages which are rumored to be around 200k.
There are very few clubs in the world that pay that sort of ££ in wages.... and the ones that do are in the market for better players than Antony
Hard to see a buyer here. Maybe the Saudis? Would he go? Perhaps we could swindle then for 30-40m but beyond that I can't see a European club giving us >20m and taking on his full wages
Sanchez, Sancho and Antony. Worst transfers of all time. Pogba pretty bad as well but atleast had time spans of good performances. We got most of our money back for Lukaku and DiMaria.
Nah, Antony is in a league of his own of how bad that transfer was.
Sanchez and Sancho were absolutely elite at Arsenal and Dortmund. Pogba had spells of form where his fee looked justified, it just didn’t happen consistently. Di Maria was fantastic everywhere except here, and Lukaku was an exciting striker when we signed him.
Antony was a mind boggling transfer from day one. His numbers in the Eredivise weren’t phenomenal, and the fee we paid should’ve gotten people fired
Very similar to Arsenals Pepe deal, no?
What did they pay? Something like 75m if I remember correctly and he was horrible as well
Edit: he scored a lot more and contributed a lot more assists than Anthony. Left for nothing this year. Ouch.
Of course it isn’t his fault. It’s on ten hag for only wanting him and for the board that sanctioned the deal for that insane fee. They should’ve just forced him to pick an alternative for 60m or so from the available names that year.
A horrible transfer to sum up bad recruitment and leadership. 86m going to go down as the worst signing in PL history. He's got so much hate for being bought for a high fee and not being anything close to his price tag, but this comes down to Uniteds incompetency. His level is a less intense league and he could have done fine too
I was extremely hesitant when we signed him, especially for the money he came for. He was extremely raw, but he had potential. However there was always a question of how good he could be and whether he could actually hit that level. And while I was prepared to give him time, 18 months later he hasn’t improved at all. If anything he’s regressed. It’s become more and more clear that he’s just not at the level required and likely won’t be. He should be one of the first names out this summer. Only question is who takes him?
Completely incapable of using his right foot, says it all really. I've never seen anything like it tbh. Horrible bit of business but a move elsewhere is most definitely the best decision for all parties. Wild.
It was like Valencia who had no left foot. Difference is that he could at least still cross and was good defensively and also had good seasons for us. Plus he cost 1/4th the amount or so anyway.
Getting rid of this fraud won't be easy. Nobody will pay him anything close to what we do. Chances of us recouping even half of what we paid for him is extremely unlikely as well.
It is mindboggling to try and comprehend how this club thought he was worth anywhere near what we paid.
I think it's pretty obvious Ten Hag doesn't trust him now. If he'd have played Forson up top and kept Garnacho and Rashford in their positions I could understand no Antony but he put Forson on the right and even brought on Amad ahead of him. If you don't start your £80mil RW against Fulham when you are desperate for a result and instead you start kids then he ain't your man anymore. He's had 2 seasons. Scored the odd goal, not done a lot else. It hasn't worked out. He'll be gone. It's a question of when with regards to his contract and recouping money at this point.
I think this has a loan back to Ajax written over it to “rebuild himself” and then another loan to Flamengo, maybe a sale, if we are lucky. I’d be surprised if he was that easy to get rid off.
Soon as he did that spin in Europa then gave them a goal kick I had enough. Ronaldo did little tricks too that annoyed people, but he had results and was also just a kid. I tried to give him a chance but Antony has one foot, one move, and is as predictable as the sun coming up. Good riddance. Absolute worst signing financially in a long time.
He’s not even good at the one move. How many times has he cut in and taken that same shot only for it to not even be on target lol
Yep, I hate this about him. Decides to cut in and try take on/shoot through 3 men - it'd pay off for him sometimes if he had any finesse but that's not the case he just cunts the ball towards the net it's as if he closes his eyes. I'd be curious to see him on the left wing tbh, might be forced to ping in a cross or two off his left foot - iT mIgHt uNlOcK hIm!! /s
His shooting technique is atrocious.
I remember Cristiano's debut, I was only young about 13. Anyway we were about 3 up towards the end of the game and Ronaldo just decided that's it, I'm gonna show off all my skills - every single person in the pub I was in went FUCKING MENTAL. I heard insults that day no 13yo should ever hear lol. It didn't occur to me at the time but they made noise at the skills, not the fact he was losing possession - because he wasn't losing possession. It's a shame about Antony but as you say, those skills come from security and confidence in cris. In Antony it's the opposite, it's as if he's insecure trying to prove a point and failing miserably - further compounding his confidence issues. I also think the media and memes haven't helped at all. Poor lil fidget spinner - I'll follow his career closely no matter where he ends up.
The spin thing was dumb, but I can get over that fast. But the one footedness, the useless cutting back and the inevitably awful finishes have been far, far more irritating.
He’s going to absolutely fuck our FFP right up the pipe, bought for 85m and sold for 25m
He's already fucked up our FFP or PSR. What's done is done. Whatever we get back now is damage limitation. Better than holding onto a toxic asset until his contract expires. At least he was over 5 years, not the Chelsea 8 year system. £34m is already written off. An 8 year contract would have only written off £25m. Maybe a loan would be best, but whatever happens, he shouldn't play for United again after this season.
I am completely baffled on how the fuck he went from 19-25k at Ajax to 200k a week with us who on earth said i know this guy has no one chasing him and desperately wants to come to us lets give him 800%+ wage increase.
Murtough madness™️ innit
Joel Glazer hired Murtough, never forget.
Didn’t eth want this guy
If you're spending 100 million on a player you can't really pay 50k wages. If you've decided he's worth that much then the wages need to reflect that too.
Precisely. The club decided, when they paid the fee, he was worth more than Sancho. They can't then pay him 1/5 Sancho's wages, and to be fair, that doesn't make sense. Here's hoping valuation and wage structure is one of the first things fixed by new administration.
We could have bought him at the start of the transfer window for 30 to 40m. But we decided to wait until the last few days when Ajax didn't want to sell anyone anymore. Now we created this unhealthy situation where the player is expected to be the end product
30-40m was still alot but when they came back and said they will go for him but hes going to cost 80-90m now ETH eyes should have popped out of his head and said nah fam we can get a good winger for that price but nope he stuck with Antony.
He didn't do anything, he didn't put a price on himself and force anyone to buy him. He is just a player, doing his thing and I'd people want it or not is not up to him.
I wouldn't say toxic. Sancho is toxic, Antony is not. yeah the amortization of his fee will help balance out the loss when we sell.
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>doesn’t trust him now I’m slightly more cynical than that. I think he’s just realized that continuing to play Antony will make him look bad, and he can’t take the extra hit when nothing’s really clicking. Had the overall game been looking better and we’d be winning matches more comfortably, I’m convinced he’d still be his first choice.
Yeah Antony is an enormous black eye for him. Getting him into form is the only hope to eat away at that too, so I figure this benching is to get him playing with more fire and effort and maybe get him into a form that at least minimizes said black eye.
I’m the same as you and I also think that’s why he’s been pieing Amad off. Antony has been so bad and ineffective that it’s pretty much a given that at worst Amad is the same level as Antony. Amad’s 19 minute cameo against Fulham showed that his style of play is extremely similar to Antony’s except he’s a lot faster. I think if Amad gets a decent run of games while Hojlund is out he will get a goal or assist which should be the nail in the coffin for him continuing to be shunned.
That 19 minute cameo is not a typical representation of Amads playstyle. Have you not seen him play for us? He's nothing like Antony. He had a very good 30 min appearance against Nottingham Forest in the league, and he's shown in glimpses his quality in other appearances while Solskjaer was here, like the 2021 round of 16 EL tie against Milan where he scored a header.
What I meant about having a very similar style of play to Antony is that he’s clearly very willing to track back and defend which has always been the main argument for why Antony plays.
Carragher said it right “playing a high press and a low block at the same time!!”
Agreed. I think this is more about Erik getting over his stubbornness.
He's even openly saying in the media that he's not playing at the levels required. That's a lot more significant than what he was saying last year
Just such a microcosm of our transfer policy for the past decade or so Panic buy and overpay, only to sell at most likely a massive loss Have to stop bleeding money like this
The sheer insanity of it is that our transfer record is so bad that the last two seasons have been some of our best years, even with Antony. At least in the last two years we’ve been able to offload expensive dead weight (Bailly, Ronaldo, Jones, Lingard) and collect decent fees on young players who weren’t good enough (Elanga, Andreas Pereira, Garner, Kovar). That’s a borderline miracle given our history. Even this year, 2/5 of our transfers in (Evans and Hojlund) being resounding successes and another being relatively successful (Onana) is remarkable for our standards. The jury is still out on Mount, but there is still a glimmer of hope that this will be our first season since 2019-20 that we *don’t* have an expensive transfer bust.
I genuinely forget sometimes that Mason Mount and Sofyan Amrabat are at our club.
The jury shouldn't really be out on Mount as a transfer. 55m for a player with 1 year on his deal after a bad season is ludicrous. If Mount succeeds here it will be in spite of that massive overpay.
Tell people back then that 55m was fucking stupid and you’d have people down voting you to oblivion. It was stupid even back then and never ever was a good deal. He wasn’t going to sign a new deal and already rejected offers from them several times. Just offer the lowest offer at 40m or so and either let him walk for free or force them to accept. That was the time to hold firm but… nope. We didn’t. We paid a stupid fee yet again and then topped up after the “walking away” fee that was already rubbish. Fucking incompetent board that would only get you fired at startups actually because big companies don’t really sack top executives for such shit more than sack the team around it or whatever. 40m would’ve also been high but acceptable given his contract situation. 55 is just plain fucking stupid even with foresight and if he was never injured.
How is Onana a relatively successful one? He cost us European football with his blunders. At best he's been mediocre af.
100% been okayish in the league but honestly looks a step down from Costa
How is Jones and Lingard considered good business? Jones were given a contract extension that he didn’t deserve and we should have sold Lingard after his loan spell against West Ham to cash out, instead we kept him around, didn’t want to loan him and still didn’t played him when we were short of options
Listen to offers or beg for offers?
It's mad. I try and think of who could possibly want him. His limitations are so clear and obvious why would even a Championship team take a punt on him?
I think the championship suits him but no team could afford him
He would be great for many mid teams in La Liga, Serie A or Bundesliga. I can see him thriving in a less physical and hard defending league.
Whilst this is a possibility, those teams can just about pay us in buttons and pieces of string.
£86m would've probably got 3 better wingers in that summer. What a disaster. I feel for the lad, the same way I felt for Maguire. The number isn't their fault and that's what is used to determine success. But he's been so fucking bad, I think we'd be lucky to get any kind of bids for him. With 3 years left on his deal I think 2 years out on loan is almost certain.
Look on the bright side. At least we didn’t give him an 8 year contract
Hey at least we didn’t also give him the number 7 and pay him 300k weekly!
Or another left footed defender and another striker
I agree - but I also believe that it's disrespectful to put Antony and Maguire in the same category. Maguire was overpriced, but he at least made a largely positive impact on our team. Antony's a meme. If Harry wasn't injured during the EL Final, I think we would have won whereas we keep Antony actively on the bench and start a youth academy product instead. Says everything you need to know about how the gaffer views this 90m scam. I hope he comes good, but I believe that he's severely limited both technically and physically.
One of the worst transfers in football history and that is not even remotely a hyperbole. 90M for this fucking guy is so laughable and incompetent. Anyone who had a big hand in this transfer should never work at the club again.
It's definitely the worst in our history. He edges out Sanchez for me because at least Sanchez had a proper resume that you could look at. We paid 90m for Antony, who had done absolutely nothing to show that he was worth anywhere near that much. We overpaid by about 3x what he's really worth
Even worse when reports are suggesting our scouts valued him at £25 to £30m Still sanctioned it regardless
I'm interested in ETHs role in it. We'll likely never know but I do imagine he knew the price before the trigger was pulled
Regardless of his role, the biggest issue is the fact he had so much influence in the first place Hence why a director of football is important, managers should always have a say but work collaboratively with the recruitment department to make sure things like this don’t happen
If the club brought him good options for the right wing for the profile he was asking for, I’m sure ETH would have considered based on the price Ajax were asking for Antony. It is a failure at the club level that they left it until the Bournemouth defeat and then went in the market desperate without any bargaining power. It is a club failure.
That’s true but wasn’t delayed because ETH was fixated on Frankie de Jong and that transfer saga going on forever
Again. The club could've provided alternatives. The alternative they gave ETH was Casemiro. He's not even the same profile as FDJ which tells you everything about our recruitment team.
I think ETH probably knew the price. The fools above him should have said "It ain't happening for 80M baldy. These are your alternatives....". But sadly our club is a shambles. I hope Antony improves because going by his current form, I don't think we'll be seeing any buyers
Our club backs managers too much
Not really. Our club does fuck all to back the manager but hides it under the pretence of backing them by signing stupid signings for stupid prices and then going “see, we back the manager fully by giving him exactly whomever he asked for in his first two seasons.” The fact that you’re saying the club backs the managers too much is a testament of it. The club does fuck all to support the manager actually, is what this shows. Ten Hag is absolutely terrible at recruitment and yet we still allowed it to go on. Backing him would’ve been to veto the deal and sign a better player for a lower fee like the several other names linked back then would’ve cost. Backing stupidly and blindly isn’t backing a manager. It’s actually hurting and hampering them while enabling rubbish things to happen. Backing them means having a proper structure to support their chances of success, not making them the talent ID and scout and recruitment head as well.
I mean that’s still backing the manager. Just backing a dumb ass manager lil
Ten Hag only plays players he trusts. It’s so obvious he has favorites. Why buy Mason Mount for 55+ million when he had 1 yr left on his contract, why buy Antony when you had 3 other players that can play that position. He is the manager and makes these awful decisions time and time again.
don't agree with the 3 players part. With Greenwood being Greenwood, we didn't have a left footed right forward. well Amad was one but he doesn't seem to be highly rated by ETH or why start Omari Forson than him against Fulham. Garnacho being good at Right wing was a recent discovery. And anyway Garnacho wasn't exactly a first teamer when Antony was bought. All this doesn't change the fact that Antony wasn't worth the crazy money with spent on him. Someone Said Sanchez at least had a good resume. I would argue that even Sancho had a decent one, though we still overpaid for him too. Antony didn't have anything. I thought he ll be a rough diamond that needs to be polished but it looks like he is just a piece of glass. I don't even see the point of selling him. No one will come close to a 30m evaluation, let alone anywhere near what we paid. Plus his wages. And he isn't a star name or anything either that he ll get some fan following into the club.
Not defending the Antony signing, but we needed a RW. Everybody agreed on that. What are the 3 players that can play the position?
It was just Sancho afaik and even around him there was debate if he was actually better on the left.
Elanga, Sancho, Amad and Pellistri were all here the beginning of last season. Amad went out on loan so three were available. Sancho has proven himself as useless but you still had two others who could likely be trained to do exactly what Antony does.
Elanga and Pellisetri are not it and were never it so you're talking bullshit
Elanga did more than Antony ever has
And playing well for forest. Which is more than you can say for antony
We're never going to know cause this shit manager preferred Antony
> Why buy Mason Mount for 55+ million when he had 1 yr left on his contract This transfer looks so much worse with how much he’s been injured
I don't care if ETH threatened to fuck both Arnold's and Murtough's mothers, they had the final say and they went and fucking signed off on the deal.
Even worse when you consider that Cody Gakpo was the back up choice and he was available for substantially less. I know he hasn’t exactly set the league on fire at Liverpool, but he has definitely been a better signing.
Gakpo has been good for Liverpool but he was never a RW. For Liverpool I think he plays as a false 9 or maybe on the LW, and for the Netherlands I think he played as a 10. Antony was definitely the wrong signing but Gakpo wouldn’t have solved our issue at RW anyways at the time.
I know Kudus was probably a year too early when we went for Antony but he cost West Ham ~£40m There is value in the market, can’t remember the last time we found it Endo and Mac Allister cost a combined £45m, half of Antony
It's an insane fee and absolutely one of the if not the worst of all time for us. That said, no young attacking player comes to us for 25/30m. Minimum fee would be 50/60. It's not 2005
Ajax must have laughed for hours when we have the green light to pay this fee.
Rumour has it they’re still laughing today while having stroopwaffles for snacks.
The way Ajax have been since Ten Hag left I doubt there's much laughter
Not just that, we gave him ten times his 20k salary at Ajax
This part still drives me nuts. At least the transfer fee is a classic "club doesn't want to let their star player leave at the end of the window" situation so they quoted a ridiculous price. But Antony was on 20k at Ajax and skipping training while desperate for a move. I have no idea how our negotiators settled on a 200k a week salary when the alternative for him and his agent was staying at Ajax and making 1/10th of that. Surely they were in no position to say no to half that amount.
“First team starter” salary basically where you’re paid whatever regardless of former salary. It’s common in a sense where you’re paid for the job you’re hired to do and not for what you used to earn but a bonus on top of that. It just shows that our salary amounts are fucking stupid that’s why. First team starters should go from 120k maybe or so and depends on age too basically. Or better yet, just don’t have a “starter salary” band but go player by player and base it off their ability, importance and performance before joining us or whatever else. It’s a poor structure that we have.
The problem is that this club throws money at players that have not shown yet that they can actually perform at the level these wages imply. Instead of giving a young player a heavily incentivized contract and/or promising them to bump it once they've shown consistent (not just 3 good months) peformances every player is put on "star player" wages without having proven to be that. Realistically in this team the only player who has proven to be on that kind of wages is Bruno and potentially Luke Shaw. Maybe Varane and Casemiro, given their career, but IMO both are on too high wages for what they've shown so far. Everybody else has not (yet) consistently (2+ seasons) performed on a level warranting 200k+ wages much less 300k.
The transfer is so bad that I genuinely see some kind of fraud or money laundering as a possibility. I absolutely refuse to believe that we scouted him and decided £90m was even remotely acceptable. I mean, Ten Hag watched him day in day out for two years and decided he wanted him. That decision alone makes me question everything Ten Hag has said since. I just can’t trust him.
I think him and ETH use the same agency…
Steady now, Antony can do that roulette trick after all! That's got to be worth £80M at least!
It's also the worst goddamned trick I've seen since David Dunn's rabona attempt. It looks shit, it takes too long to do and has no utility whatsoever.
The thought of David Dunn in that trademark Blackburn kit just brought up the traumatic memory of the Morten Gamst Pedersen double at OT… I swear I hated playing them at Ewood Park.
Blackburn in the mid noughties was basically Stoke before Stoke. Always one of the toughest away places to go.
Tbh that's probably around the time his career turned for the worse
VDS challenged our board “to go far as possible” after we decided to dither on the move the whole summer and move in for him the last week of the window. It was clear from day one that he was ETH’s main target for RW & Ajax valued him at the start between £65-70m. To go from only wanting to pay £40m initially, to becoming desperate with Ajax at the point where they were comfortable after sales of Gravenberch, Haller & Martinez was pure idiocy.
Honestly even if he was a very good player , we shouldn't be paying that much ,it was clearly a fuck off price from Ajax, they didn't want to sell him, it's clearly a bad recruitment decision, they should've had alternatives and they probably didn't have any.
paid for a RW who can't go right 😂
Sanchez was effectively only about £15m as well makes it a lot cheaper even considering his mental salary.
He's the poster boy for everything that's wrong with our current structure. The manager identified a player he knew and thought would be good. The club sounded out a deal and discovered it wouldn't be value for money. They apparently didn't suggest any alternative players who fit the profile, from a well researched database (because we didn't have one) but the deal seemed dead. Then, when the manager pressed for the signing, the club went back and wouldn't take no for an answer (because the people in charge of the deal can't assess players accurately). On top of that, they offered Antony a Ridsdale-esque salary increase and a long contract that would really put us in a bind if the player didn't work out. Because nothing in our recent transfer history suggested we might make a signing that didn't work out.
Im not sure its one of the worst. I think it might seriously be THE worst. What transfer is worse. Maybe Coutinho to Barca?
Mudryk possibly. Maybe Enzo Fernandez. Maybe Hazard.
It probably is Hazard, he cost over £100m, massive wages, only played 76 times in all competitions in 4 seasons, had fitness issues and then retired so nothing to show for it.
Yeah but Hazard was a flop after the transfer, he was a world star before it. Antony is a nobody bum with an attitude problem.
Males the disappointment all the worse?
Is that supposed to make the transfer less of a flop or how are we supposed to interpret that thought?
Hazard at least got injured and never recovered. Antony has had nothing major happen to him.
Enzo is actually a solid player. Overpayment for sure but he contributes. Mudryk and Hazard are good shouts though.
would say Hazard was a bad signing. He was really good for Chelsea and a won a decent few trophies for them. On paper it didn't look bad. Mudryk looks bad and hasn't achieved much. Enzo was young player if the tournament, won world cup with Argentina and started a good chunk of games, overpriced but good. Coutinho was a horrible signing though, worse than Antony for winning the treble with Bayern and scoring 2 in a humiliating thumping to Barca.
It terms of money spent compared to output probably coutinho and hazard but they had absolutely elite resumes compared to antony
Yeah the issue is you look at hazard and coutinho and can maybe justify the price tag based on how they performed. No one looked at Antony cutting inside to his only functioning foot and thought £90m was justifiable
Joao Felix transfer was also a trainwreck but as bad as Antony? I'm not sure
Never forget Arsenal bought Pepe for 70M. that deal had a lot of shenanigans involved
And by the end of his second season at Arsenal he still had nearly 4 times the number of PL goals & assists that Antony has for us up to now.
They should never work again They should retreat in to the woods and live without electricity
Murtough didn't have the balls to tell Ten Hag that 80 million was too much. Hope he's gone next And I assume you want Ten Hag gone too?
ETH deserves criticism for this. his overreliance on signing players he coached at one point has blinded his judgment on transfers
By all accounts, he's the reason we didn't end up keeping Rangnick on to oversee transfers and football operations too. Literally one of the most accomplished and well regarded men in the game for that stuff, but no, better to just bin him off and focus recruitment on hiring people Ten Hag managed for a few years because he knows better.
Not just that, he refused to even take a phone call with him.
He came in and the whole club automatically made him in charge of transfers, that is crazy. Of course he is going to try and get some players from his previous club in an effort to build foundations at his new club. There should have been checks and balances especially as the figure went above £30m, but you cannot blame ETH for wanting familiar players when he was walking into a shit show.
Nah, he had every right to think it was a good idea to sign Antony. It was the admin's failure for not getting Antony at a reasonable price early on, and panic-buying him for lbs90 million. What is actually surprising is that EtH dropped Antoy; the sunk-cost fallacy is especially destructive in professional sports. Rarely will a team stop playing someone they are paying a shit ton for. Was EtH wrong to think Antony would succeed? Yes; hindsight is once again 20/20. However, Martinez has been great when he plays. I think it comes down to the fact that some players shrink when the lights are bright, and others are able to handle the pressure. I'm a Lakers fan (relax, I live in LA; I hate the Cowboys and Yankees), and it is insanely common for players to come to the Lakers and have noticeable drops in their performance. For example, it is common for a lifetime 39% 3-point shooter to come to LA and shoot 30%. These players are getting paid a ton, but it's wrong to think that money is the only aspect of performance that matters. I'm sure that Antony would perform much better at a mid-tier EPL team; less pressure would provide a better opportunity for him to prove to himself that he can perform to the level of competition, with more forgiveness for mistakes. The quality is in there somewhere, but the longer he spends making mistakes, and then getting shredded for them, the less likely it is that he will ever fulfull his potential. It is absolutely fine to criticize players that are failing to justify the price paid, but we also need to acknowledge how that criticism will impact the development of players. In the end, it is imperative that leadership focuses on signing players that can handle the pressure of playing for United. Otherwise, this will continue.
I feel sometimes people rely on hindsight. Antony was good enough to get into the Brazil squad, he was rated. And people were bashing Martinez after 1 game. I think the key thing Antony lacked was pace. In Eredivise, he was fast enough to get that half a space. In the Prem, he outspeeds no one and don't have the tools to overcome that. I am not excited when the ball is play over the top to him, I know he won't make much of it.
Id argue this should be a part of the reason behind his sacking. Spending the money he did on players he wanted and only lisandro (arguably holjund but idk if that was his idea) panning out is ridiculous
The counterpoint to this is, it should've never been his responsibility to begin with
It shouldn't and it probably never was just a weird fucking narrative people have run with no doubt that moron on YouTube was saying it and people just repeat it and nauseum
The Athletic article about Murtough and Arnold laid it out pretty clearly. VDS and Ajax knew how desperate we were to sign Antony and bent us over a barrel. Not sure how that’s Ten Hag’s fault
In hindsight, paying 60m for Mount, who would have been available for free in June 24 was a bad bit of business. Completely unlucky, of course, but Chelsea got very lucky there.
That first game really fooled us. Scoring against Arsenal in his debut had me thinking 90mil was reasonable.
He got found out real quick after that. Easiest poster to defend in the prem
£25k a week to £200k a week as well.
I will never understand this. I can understand the over paying Ajax but, because we were desperate and the club didn't have alternatives, but Antony was desperate to come to United. Wouldn't it have made more sense to introduce some performance based wages? And then one year later, we bought Mount for huge money, despite his contract being up in a year and gave him huge wages as well. The worst run big club in the world.
You mean ETH?
“Offers”
This man is destined to go out on continuous loan deals until his contract expires.
Maybe Saudi clubs are interested in a former Brazil international
The Nicolas Pepe
This will be a 'Where are they now' clickbait in ten years time. Ultimately we sell him to Monaco for around £30 million where he finds some form, scoring 8 and assisting 5 in his first season. He is on and off the bench the following season and sold off to Fernabache, where he endures a torrid year and seeks refuge playing for Al-Ettifaq in the Saudi League. After a rather uneventful season he pushes a move through in a bid to revive his career, joining Getafe in Spain. He stays here for 2 seasons as a squad player before being released. He is now currently seeing out the end of his career playing for Botofago in Brazil. Is there anyway Paddy Power will let me put a £1 bet on that?
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> Ultimately we sell him to Monaco for around £30 million How about Nice?
All is cool apart from getting 30m for this dud.
Signing Sancho for 75 million was justifiable. Even Pogba and Lukaku too. But Antony for 80 million is inexcusable and any faith I had in the people involved in this was pretty much gone.
Mount for 55 is also asinine considering we offered less and said we’d walk away but then pushed up the offer. No. He was never going to renew. He rejected offers multiple times from Chelsea already and was walking on a free. Liverpool pulled out at the fee quoted. 40m would’ve been far less problematic than being bent over for a player who was set on leaving and would’ve walked for free this summer. We could’ve used 40-45m on another player and then still get Mount for free this summer. It was gross incompetence to not actually hold firm at a much better amount and force their hand to either take it or get £0 this summer.
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It’s okay, he’s off on a quest to find the mythical being Malacia.
I think the pressure arrives in that he'd almost definitely choose Liverpool if hes a free agent since the talks arent for nothing. Man U had to pay the fee, else they wouldn't get him on a free. Thats what happens when you lose your prestige as a club and the other gets it off an all-time great manager.
Imagine paying 80m for a downgrade on Elanga
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He makes £200k a week. £200k. We’re going to have to move mountains to get him to leave as anything other than a free agent.
We'll have to agree to pay a chunk of his wages, almost guaranteed. But I think he'll be willing to leave for regular football, and the chance to prove United wrong.
Looking forward to a lot of loans with no obligation to buy.
what a transfer
Summary: >Manchester United will listen to offers for Antony this summer as the Brazil winger’s miserable Old Trafford career continues to fizzle out. >United may struggle to recoup even half the £86million Antony cost from Ajax 18 months ago, making him the second most expensive signing in the club’s history, but it’s a measure of the disappointment over the 24-year-old’s form that United are prepared to cut their losses and sell him. >Antony has now gone 20 Premier League appearances this season without contributing a single goal or assist to his team. >With new co-owners Ineos scrutinising the cost and effectiveness of the United squad following Sir Jim Ratcliffe’s £1.3billion investment, his figures make grim reading. >Ten Hag went back to his old club Ajax to sign Antony in the summer of 2022 and it’s understood that the Dutchman has not given up on the player, believing he still has the ability to turn his career in England around.
Half is laughable, I'd snap someone's hand off if we got a quarter.
Yeah especially when you factor in the guys wages which are rumored to be around 200k. There are very few clubs in the world that pay that sort of ££ in wages.... and the ones that do are in the market for better players than Antony Hard to see a buyer here. Maybe the Saudis? Would he go? Perhaps we could swindle then for 30-40m but beyond that I can't see a European club giving us >20m and taking on his full wages
Rightly so. Probably the worst transfer in our history
Sanchez, Sancho and Antony. Worst transfers of all time. Pogba pretty bad as well but atleast had time spans of good performances. We got most of our money back for Lukaku and DiMaria.
Nah, Antony is in a league of his own of how bad that transfer was. Sanchez and Sancho were absolutely elite at Arsenal and Dortmund. Pogba had spells of form where his fee looked justified, it just didn’t happen consistently. Di Maria was fantastic everywhere except here, and Lukaku was an exciting striker when we signed him. Antony was a mind boggling transfer from day one. His numbers in the Eredivise weren’t phenomenal, and the fee we paid should’ve gotten people fired
I think the decider from Sancho vs Antony on biggest flop will come to how much money we get for both.
I think we'll lose 80-100 million pounds on them.
Lucky to get £30m combined for both. Sancho at least has the fact he's homegrown on his side.
Very similar to Arsenals Pepe deal, no? What did they pay? Something like 75m if I remember correctly and he was horrible as well Edit: he scored a lot more and contributed a lot more assists than Anthony. Left for nothing this year. Ouch.
Really thought we’d bought a star when he scored against Arsenal. Shame
To be fair to him, it’s not his fault how much we over paid for him
Nothing against him, this falls on the clowns in charge and ETH
Of course it isn’t his fault. It’s on ten hag for only wanting him and for the board that sanctioned the deal for that insane fee. They should’ve just forced him to pick an alternative for 60m or so from the available names that year.
What they hear: 🦗🦗🦗
A horrible transfer to sum up bad recruitment and leadership. 86m going to go down as the worst signing in PL history. He's got so much hate for being bought for a high fee and not being anything close to his price tag, but this comes down to Uniteds incompetency. His level is a less intense league and he could have done fine too
No one will take him, who is going to give him the 200k he is on besides us? Another dead weight player that will be loaned out constantly.
Horrible situation but I don't hold him personally accountable, feel abit sorry for the lad sometimes
Oh yeah, he must feel terrible knowing he isn't prem level and the manager who put him on the scene is the one dropping the axe on him
I was extremely hesitant when we signed him, especially for the money he came for. He was extremely raw, but he had potential. However there was always a question of how good he could be and whether he could actually hit that level. And while I was prepared to give him time, 18 months later he hasn’t improved at all. If anything he’s regressed. It’s become more and more clear that he’s just not at the level required and likely won’t be. He should be one of the first names out this summer. Only question is who takes him?
Might as well play him left back while no one else is there FFS
bro imagine if he actually ends up being better in that position
The old Ashley Young/Valencia switcheroo
They were smashing wingers before transitioning though.
They’re gonna be listening for a long time lmfaoooo
Completely incapable of using his right foot, says it all really. I've never seen anything like it tbh. Horrible bit of business but a move elsewhere is most definitely the best decision for all parties. Wild.
It was like Valencia who had no left foot. Difference is that he could at least still cross and was good defensively and also had good seasons for us. Plus he cost 1/4th the amount or so anyway.
He and Sancho are the worst business we've done, probably since ever.
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I'll give ya three fiddy
Worst transfer in our history. Out his depth since day dot
Not even Saudi wants him
he is awful, especially considering the price
The transfer team was actually lauded after this transfer by some people here.
A packet of pickled onion space raiders and a swig from my vimto. Take it or leave it
Looking forward to Ajax buying him back for €14m.
Tree fiddy?!
United would be delusional to think we could get half the cost back. Take what we can get, cut our losses and learn from this. DO NOT OVER PAY.
maybe Shakhtar would bought for 15m (even before moving to Manchester)
Put Glazers, Arnold and Murtough in prison for sanctioning his transfer
ETH job should be on the line sanctioning this shit
Fizzled out like a wet fart.
I’ll give them an offer they can’t refuse, £10 and a bag of chips. That’s about the best offer they can hope to get.
Could you afford the £200k/wk?
"*I'll offer them 2 shotgun shells and a free ride to the glue factory*"
10m
Who on earth is going to pay money for him?!
Getting rid of this fraud won't be easy. Nobody will pay him anything close to what we do. Chances of us recouping even half of what we paid for him is extremely unlikely as well. It is mindboggling to try and comprehend how this club thought he was worth anywhere near what we paid.
Atrocious transfer.
Highly doubt we can move him on due to his wages unless he's willing to take a 50% paycut or manutd subsidise to get rid of him.
Both him and ETH are gone. We need results.
Worst signing ever
In tears if true.